* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND [Call to Order / Moment of Silence / Pledge of Allegiance/ Agenda Adoption] GENTLEMEN. THE HOUR HAS ARRIVED FOR US TO COMMENCE OUR JUNE 6TH, 2024 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. WE ARE FAVORED THIS EVENING WITH THE PRESENCE OF REVEREND JOAN BROWN FROM THE ST. PAUL'S HOLINESS CHURCH TO COME LEAD US IN OUR VOCATION. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. LET US BOW OUR HANDS. HUMBLE OUR HEARTS IN PRAYER. OH, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, A DAY THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE. MM-HMM. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST ASK THAT AND WE INVITE THE HOLY SPIRIT INTO THIS PLACE. THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES EVERYTHING DECENT AND IN ORDER. MM-HMM. . HEAVENLY FATHER, AS WE HAVE BOWED HEADS AND HUMBLE HEARTS, WE ASK THAT YOU WILL TAKE CONTROL OF THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING FOR JUNE THE SIXTH OF OUR YEAR, 2024. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME WITH THANKSGIVING IN OUR HEARTS. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE, AND WE KNOW THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO DO IN THIS MEETING, ON THIS EVENING. GOD BLESS THIS BOARD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR FOR THE S COUNTY. WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD LEAD US, GUIDE US AND DIRECT US. HEAVENLY FATHER, ALLOW US TO FOLLOW YOU. THIS IS OUR PRAYER. IN THE NAME OF JESUS, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, LET US ALL SAY AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. WE DO NOW CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WE ASK THAT WE WILL NOW OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. THANK YOU. LET US STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. OUR, I PRAY RELEASE TO NEGLECT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC STANDS ONE NATION ON GOD. INVIS THE BOARD MEMBERS. YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE AGENDA FOR OUR SET MEETING. UH, THERE IS ONE AMENDMENT THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE AGENDA, AND THAT IS TO ADD A CLOSED SESSION ITEM. THAT WILL BE AFTER THE, UH, AFTER THE, UH, BOARD COMMENTS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CLOSED SESSION AT THAT TIME. UH, WITH THIS ONE AMENDMENT, THE CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE AMENDED, UH, ITEM WITH THE CLOSED SESSION AFTER BOARD COMMENTS. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR OF A SECOND. SECOND. THIS HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. LET IT BE KNOWN BY THE VOTING SIGN OF AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THE AGENDA HAS BEEN ADOPTED. WE FIRST HAVE ON OUR AGENDA [Consent Items] OUR CONSENT ITEMS PER USUAL. WE HAVE OUR APPROVAL OF OUR DRAFT MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, MADE SECOND APPROVAL OF OUR DRAFT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES. MAY THE NINTH. WE HAVE APPROVAL OF BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, MINUTES FROM, UH, OUR MAY 15TH MEETING, APPROVAL OF OUR DRAFT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MINUTES FROM MAY THE 16TH. UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR CONSENT ITEMS? IF THERE BE NONE, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT OUR CONSENT. SO, MOVE. SECOND. PROPERLY MOVE. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. LET IT BE KNOWN BY THE VOTING AND CENTER OF OUR AYE. OPPOSED? OUR CONSENT ITEMS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ADOPTED. OUR FIRST ITEM IS PRESENTATION [Presentation] FROM MR. ROSSI CARROLL FROM VO. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN ELLIOT, SIR, OTHER DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, HERE TO GIVE THE QUARTERLY UPDATE. HOWEVER, IT'S ONLY BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE I DID MY LAST ONE, SO THIS ONLY INCLUDES APRIL AND MAY. UM, SO IN THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, SO THIS, I DID A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I DID THE, THE WORK ORDERS BY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN ALSO FROM OUR WORK PLAN. SO VDOT DOES A WORK PLAN. WE, WE ENTER THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THAT TWO MONTHS, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THERE WHICH ONES WE GOT TO WE'RE ABLE TO COMPLETE. SO, UM, OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER CALLS AND WORK REQUEST, UH, THERE WAS 58 TOTAL IN THAT TWO MONTHS TIMEFRAME. UH, WE, WE CLOSED OUT 47 [00:05:01] OF THEM. YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT, UH, MAJORITY OF THEM WERE INCIDENTAL MAINTENANCE. UM, TREE REMOVAL, UM, DID ANIMAL REMOVAL, PIPE CULVERT AND CLEAN REPAIR, UM, FOR 81% COMPLETION RATE. AND THEN FROM THE PLAN, VDO T'S PLAN FOR THE TWO MONTHS, UM, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF BEAR WITH ME, UH, 147 WORK ORDERS. AND OF THOSE 147 FOR THE TWO MONTH WORK PLAN, THEY COMPLETED 145 OF THOSE. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EACH ONE, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHICH ONES, UH, WERE COMPLETED. MACHINE DITCHING, PIPE REPLACEMENT, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS FOR 98.6 TOTAL FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE, UH, TWO MONTHS IS, UH, 205 WORK ORDERS. 192 COMPLETED. 13 OUTSTANDING WITH A TOTAL OF 94% COMPLETION RATE. UM, A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. UH, WE DID ENDER POTHOLE PATCHING ON 6 0 7, 6 0 12, 6 26 6 0 1. UH, WE DITCHED SEVEN LANE MILES, CARBON WHARF FROM PLEASANT POINT ROAD, UH, CROSS PIPE CLEANING AT SIX 17 WITH A HEAVY RAINS. HE CLOGGED, UH, MULTIPLE CROSS PIPES AT 6 16, 6 17, 6 27 AND 6 0 2 CUTBACK SITE DISTANCE, UM, AND ROAD CLEARANCE. WE DID A PIPE REPLACEMENT ON ROUTE 10 EAST. UH, WE DID EMERGENCY PIPE REPAIR ON 6 0 7, WHICH IS THE DETOUR ROUTE FOR, UH, THE ROUTE 40 BRIDGE PROJECT. AND WE DID, UH, SURFACE PATCHING ON AUTO DAMM ROAD. UH, WE STARTED OUR FIRST, UH, CYCLE MOWING. IT'S ABOUT HALF COMPLETE FOR OUR SECONDARY SYSTEM, AND OUR PRIMARIES ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE. UH, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE IN JUNE. PRIOR TO THE JULY 4TH HOLIDAY, UM, GOOD GOODRICH FORK, UH, WE DID 1500 FOOT OF DITCHING OUTER DAM ROAD. WE DID 800 FOOT OF DITCHING. UH, WE DID SHOULDER REPAIRS ON SUN MEADOW ROAD, AND WE DID CHIP STEEL SIX 80, WHICH IS LANDON ROAD, WHICH IS THE ROAD OFF OF, UH, THE POWER PLANT ROAD. UM, SIX 50 AND, UH, RUNS DOWN TO THE THING. SO, UH, THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK. UM, BUT, UH, RE RE-SHOT THAT WITH SURFACE TREATMENT. UH, DID SOME SIDEWALK REPAIRS IN THE TOWN OF REN AND THE TOWN OF SURREY. AND, UH, DID DROP INLET REPAIRS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. COMPLETE SOME OF THE PLAN MAINTENANCE. UH, IS IS COUNTYWIDE POTHOLE PATCHING. UM, CONTINUE OUR SECONDARY MOWING AND BRUSH CUTTING. UH, BRUSH CUTTING RIGHT NOW IS SIX 30 AND PLAN FOR SIX 16. UH, DI PIPE INSTALL HERE AT THE PARKING LOT. UM, WE WANT TO ENCLOSE THAT DITCH MM-HMM, HERE AT THE PARKING LOT ON, UH, I GUESS GUM STREET OR SCHOOL STREET ON STREET. YEP. AND, UH, SHOULDER REPAIR 6 26 BEACHLAND ROAD. AND THEN WE HAVE CHIP SEAL APPLICATIONS FOR CHIP OAKS FARM ROAD, UH, 2024 THIS SUMMER. UH, ROUTE SIX 18, ROUTE SIX 16, UH, AND SIX 13 ARE ALL IN THE, UH, RESURFACING SCHEDULE. UM, I HAVE OUR CONTRACT PRIMARY AND SELECT SECONDARY MOWING, UH, CONTRACT SCHEDULE. HERE YOU'LL SEE SECOND CYCLE IN JUNE OF 2024. UH, THIS UPDATE ON A COUPLE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. UM, THAT'S THE, UH, STATE OF GOOD REPAIR BRIDGE REPLACEMENT ON ROUTE 40 OVER THE AUTO DAM SWAMP. UM, IN SHORT, THAT IS PROGRESSING WELL. UH, CON CONTRACTOR COMPLETED RIP WRAP INSTALL ABUTMENT B UH, CONTRACTOR CONTINUED TO FORM AND REINFORCED ABUTMENT A INTER INTEGRAL WALL. UM, HE INSTALLED THE OVERHANG FOR SPAN A AND CONTRACT ERECTED SPAN B BEANS AND DIAPHRAGM. UM, DIAPHRAGMS, UM, UPCOMING MAJOR ACTIVITIES. CONTRACT TO INSTALL THE SIP DECK FORMS CONTRACTOR TO FORM AND REINFORCE ABUTMENT B INTEGRAL BACK WALL AND CONTRACTOR INSTALL DECK OVERHANGING FORMS. SO WITH THAT ALL EN INSURED, WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO START POURING THAT NEW DECK. UM, OKAY. SO, UM, WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY MOVING RIGHT ALONG. AND THE OTHER, UH, PROJECT IS RIGHT OUT HERE AT BACON'S CASTLE, UH, AT SIX 17. AND, UM, THE CONTRACTOR REMOVING, UM, REMOVE SILL FENCE AND CHECK DAMS, CON CONTRACTORS, BEGINNING PAVING BASE AND INTERMEDIATE ASPHALT, UH, ON SIX 17 FOR PHASE TWO. UH, SOME UPCOMING ACTIVITIES CONTRACTOR CONTINUE PAVING PHASE TWO ON SIX 17 AND TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AND PAVEMENT MARKINGS, UH, FOR PHASE TWO. AND WE ARE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT ONE AS WELL. SO I'M THINKING, UM, WE MAY NOT HAVE IT COMPLETE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY CLOSE IF WE DON'T GET ANY TERRIBLE WEATHER OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT THEY'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WELL, IT DID HAVE A LITTLE HICCUP RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE OF, UH, [00:10:01] WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF UNDERCUT BECAUSE WE HAD SOME POOR SOILS OUT THERE. SO WE HAD TO, UH, UNDERCUT A LITTLE DEEPER THAN WE ANTICIPATED. UM, BUT WE GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF LAND USE WISE, SINCE JULY ONE, WE'VE, UH, DONE SEVEN PLAN REVIEWS. WE'VE ISSUED 47 LAND USE PERMITS IN THE COUNTY, AND WE'VE CLOSED OUT 79. SO, UH, ALWAYS LIKED CLOSING OUT MORE THAN WE ISSUED BECAUSE FOR YEARS WE HAVE ALWAYS ISSUED MORE THAN WE WERE ABLE TO CLOSE OUT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING THAT, UH, WHY THE NUMBERS ARE SWITCHED. UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, WE HAD TWO COMPLETED STUDIES. UM, I TALKED ABOUT ONE BEFORE IT WAS COMPLETED THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, BUT THAT WAS ROUTE 31. UM, IN TOWN OF DRON ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING. UH, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION FROM, UH, UH, THE MAYOR OR ASSISTANT MAYOR THERE. UM, WE DID A STUDY. UH, IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE WOULD DO, UH, STEP DOWN SPEEDS, UM, AS YOU COME INTO THE TOWN. SO NOW IT WILL GO FROM 55 TO 45 INTO 35 TO GIVE IT A LITTLE EXTRA DISTANCE. MM-HMM. GOING INTO THE TOWN. WE ALSO DID A STUDY HERE FOR, UH, TOWN OF SURREY. AND WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME FOR THAT AS WELL. UM, I DID SEND IT BACK TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING TO LOOK AT. IF I CAN PUSH IT BACK TO INCLUDE THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 10 AND 31 ON THE, I GUESS THIS IS THE WEST SIDE. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. , SOUTH SIDE, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT, UM, JUST TRYING TO SEE IF, 'CAUSE IT, IT ACTUALLY WENT FROM 55 TO 45 IN THAT STRETCH RIGHT PAST THAT INTERSECTION. I'D LIKE TO PUSH IT BACK TO INCLUDE THAT INTERSECTION, UM, TO HAVE THAT REDUCED SPEED BEFORE YOU GET TO IT. SO THEY'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT FOR US NOW. UM, LAST THING I HAVE, WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED, UH, ASPHALT OVERLAYS FOR NEXT YEAR. I CAN TELL YOU SOME ROUTES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT SIX 11, UH, FROM ROUTE 10 TO SIX TO ROUTE 40. THAT'S OVER THAT WAY. MM-HMM. , UH, ROUTE 6 26. UM, REALLY ALL OF THE TOWN OF SURREY, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SECTION IN FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE, UH, GOVERNMENT CENTER HERE. ALL, ALL THE STREETS HERE IN SURREY, UH, LOOKING TO PAVE. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO DO A, UH, LATEX OVERLAYS ON ROUTE 10 ABOUT WHERE THE AREA HEADQUARTERS IS FOR US BACK TOWARDS HOLLY BUSH. MM-HMM. , UH, THAT SECTION. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO DO SOME CAPE SEAL. AND THAT IS, UM, A LOT OF ROUTES, BUT THE TOWN OF CLAREMONT IS ONE OF THEM. UM, UH, I CAN'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE ROUTES, BUT THESE ARE ALL PROPOSED. THAT'S THE MOST, SO LET'S WAIT. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT. LET'S WAIT. UM, BECAUSE I, I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO, TO BE ADVERTISED AND, UH, SEE IF WE GET BIDS AND ALL THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE START PUTTING IT OUT THERE TOO FAR. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. AND, UH, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT. IF I HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, I'D BE LIKE TO. WELL, THANK YOU MR. CARROLL. UH, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ANSWERED THE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT I, I DID HAVE IN, IN YOUR REPORT. SO I, I THANK YOU FOR BEING VERY THOROUGH WITH YOUR REPORT TONIGHT. UH, BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR MR. CARROLL? CHAIRMAN ELLIOT? I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MR. DREW. UH, THANK YOU. UH, IS THERE ANY WAY I COULD GET AHOLD OF SOME OF THAT, THAT THAT REPORT, BECAUSE CITIZENS ARE ALWAYS TALKING TO ME ABOUT BDOT IN THE ROADS, AND I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OH, WE'RE DOING THIS AND THAT. AND YOU WENT THROUGH IT SO FAST I WASN'T ABLE TO TAKE NOTES. I ACTUALLY SENT IT TO YOU ALL. YOU DID. I, SORRY. YOU SHOULD HAVE IT. IT'S IN OKAY, GOOD. IS IN THERE. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, YOU SHOULD HAVE IT. I SEND IT TERRIFIC. FOR EACH TIME. TERRIFIC. SO, UM, IF NOT, UH, THANK YOU. AND I, I CERTAINLY CAN, BUT YOU HAVE OH, NO, NO, NO. IF IT'S THERE, I JUST, I'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY BUSY AT WORK AND HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN ON TOP OF IT. AND, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND THIS IS JUST FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITIZENS ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROADS. AND SO I I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, VDOT PAYS FOR EVERYTHING. DOES THE COUNTY, DO WE, CAN WE CONTRIBUTE? DO WE CONTRIBUTE? SO I SEE DAVID CHECK IN HIS HEAD. SO THE THE WE, THE MAINTENANCE OF IT, WE, WE PAY FOR YOU PAY FOR IT. OKAY. SO THE, THE STATE PAYS FOR IT. OKAY. THROUGH TAX, YOU KNOW, THE GAS TAX, THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S HOW MOST OF OUR 6 0 4 FUNDING MM-HMM. IS GENERATED. UM, IT'S NOT YOUR REAL ESTATE TAX OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT FOR SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN OR SMART SCALE OR REV SHARE OR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE, DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT THE COUNTY CAN PUT INTO PUT IN FOR, FOR PROJECTS TO EITHER IMPROVE ROADS, RECONSTRUCT ROADS, SOME OF THEM SAFETY TYPE, UH MM-HMM. TYPE THINGS. PEDESTRIAN. MM-HMM. , UM, ACCOMMODATION TYPE PROJECTS. UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE FUNDING THAT, THAT THE LOCALITY CAN IN INCLUDE FUNDING. FUNDING. SOME OF THOSE ARE 80 20. OKAY. SOME OF THOSE ARE 50 50. GOTCHA. UM, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR THOSE AND THEN THEY ARE SORT OF SCORED RIGHT. [00:15:01] TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD GET THAT FUNDING. SURE. OKAY. BUT, BUT THE COUNTY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADD FUNDING TO OR, OR RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS AN OPTION AND WHAT THOSE IT CERTAINLY IS. WERE OKAY. IT CERTAINLY IS. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. JURY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS THERE BEING, I DO, I'M SORRY, MR. CAHO, UM, MR. CARROLL MEETING MS. MISSOURI SOUTH, THE INTERSECTION 10 WERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY GOES 35 TO 55 BEFORE THE INTERSECTION. CORRECT. SO YOU'RE SAYING GOING 35 OAK, 45, THE INTERSECTION. AND SO, SO OUR, OUR CONCERN IS REALLY ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING RIGHT THROUGH THE TOWNS. SO IT'S REALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO IF YOU'RE COMING 55 INTO TOWN, BUT I'M SAYING COMING 55 INTO TOWN, 'CAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY 35 COMING OUT OF TOWN. SO 55, IT WOULD STEP DOWN TO 45 MILES PER HOUR FOR US FOR A DISTANCE. OKAY. AND THEN YOU WOULD GET TO THE EXISTING 35 THAT'S IN TOWN. RIGHT. GOING OUT DOESN'T BOTHER ME SO MUCH, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S 35 TO 55 RIGHT THERE. BUT, BUT STEP DOWN WOULD BE, AND I WISH I HAD IT WITH ME 'CAUSE IT MAY BE THE SAME GOING OUT, BUT USUALLY WE DON'T STEP IT UP, WE STEP IT DOWN. OKAY. I WAS JUST THINKING, SO IT WOULD, WOULD GO FROM 30 35 TO 55 BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU'RE ALREADY GOING SLOW. YOU'RE STARTING YOUR, YOUR, UM, NOW THE 55 WOULD BE PROBABLY SET WHERE THE EXISTING 55 WOULD BE THE OTHER WAY FROM WHERE IT GOES. 55 TO 45. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT WOULD BE STRETCHED OUT SOME, UM, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN COMING INTO THE 35. AND THAT'S THE SAME THING ON ROUTE 10. WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING ON ROUTE 10 OUT TOWARDS THE TRAILER PARK ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN. THANK YOU. FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. JUST A BRIEF. THANKS, UH, ALWAYS REACH OUT TO MR. PERRY AND HE'S ALWAYS, UH, GENUINE ON THE SPOT. SO THANKS FOR THAT. THANK YOU. AND, UH, ONE DAY I'M STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE MAGIC WORDS. MOONLIGHT ROAD . ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CARROLL. THANK Y'ALL. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING? YES, SIR. BOARD MEMBERS, OUR [1 Amendments to Hunting Ordinances ] NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING, OUR AMENDMENT FOR OUR HUNTING ORDINANCE. AND WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR, UH, FIRST A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN, UH, APPROVAL, IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE BOARD THIS EVENING ARE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO THE COUNTY'S HUNTING ORDINANCE. UH, LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING THAT THE LAST TIME THE COUNTY MADE ANY CHANGES TO THIS HUNTING ORDINANCE WAS IN 2001. AND SINCE THAT TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL AMENDMENTS MADE TO VIRGINIA CODE, UM, AND ALSO, UH, TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENTS AND NEW PROCESSES AND, AND PRACTICES, UH, THAT ARE USED, UH, IN, IN HUNTING. SO, UH, THE ATTEMPT WAS TO NOT ONLY BRING OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE INTO COMPLIANCE, TO CONSOLIDATE, UH, SOME DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF OUR ORDINANCE INTO A MORE USER FRIENDLY AND INTO BEING MORE USER FRIENDLY. AND ALSO, UM, E EXPANDING, UH, THE ABILITY TO HUNT WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF FIREARMS AND, UH, CLARIFYING, CREATING CLARIFICATION, UM, WHERE EXISTING LANGUAGE IS EITHER REDUNDANT OR, UH, CONTRADICTORY WITH, UH, WHAT THE STATE REGULATIONS ARE. UH, SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD, I'LL, I'LL RUN THROUGH AND TRY AND HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. AND, UM, ALSO, UH, PETE AKER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES IS HERE, HE IS OUR DISTRICT BIOLOGIST, AND HE IS MUCH MORE PROFICIENT ON, UM, ON THE RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING HUNTING AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THAT BOARD MEMBERS, UM, MAY HAVE AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UH, TO TO BEGIN, UM, AND WHAT I WENT AHEAD AND DID WAS I PUT THE ENTIRE HUNTING ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKET, AND THAT IS SO THAT, UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN QUITE SOME TIME SINCE THIS ORDINANCE WAS, UH, WAS REVIEWED BY THE BOARD, I WANTED YOU TO HAVE EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU, EVEN IF A PARTICULAR, EVEN IF THERE ARE NO AMENDMENTS, TO A PARTICULAR [00:20:01] SECTION THAT ARE PROPOSED ALSO AS PART OF YOUR PACKET, UM, I GATHERED SOME EXISTING ORDINANCES FROM OUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS AND, UM, ISLE OF WHITE MADE SOME CHANGES IN 2022. YOU'LL SEE SOME SIMILARITIES BETWEEN WHAT ISLE OF WHITE DID AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR THIS EVENING. UM, AND, UH, SUSSEX ALSO ALSO MADE SOME CHANGES AS WELL. MOST RECENTLY THERE ARE STILL SOME JURISDICTIONS, UM, WHOSE HUNTING ORDINANCES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AGE ON THEM. SO, UM, I I DID INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION THOUGH AGAIN, SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT AS A RESOURCE. SO THE, THE FIRST SECTION WHERE CHANGES ARE PROPOSED IS SECTION 2095. AND CURRENTLY THAT READS HUNTING WITH RIFLES OF A CALIBER LARGER THAN POINT 22 RIM FIRE. UH, THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS TO JUST CHANGE THAT TO HUNTING WITH FIREARMS. UH, SO PURSUANT TO STATE CODE, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, VIRGINIA IS A DI RURAL STATE, SO LOCALITIES CAN ONLY DO WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SPECIFICALLY GIVES US PERMISSION TO DO. AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID GIVE US PERMISSION TO LIMIT, GAVE ALL LOCALITIES PERMISSION TO LIMIT HUNTING, UM, OF, WITH FIREARMS THAT ARE 0.2 OVER POINT 22 REM FIRE. SO THIS CHANGE THAT I AM PROPOSING IS TO ELIMINATE THAT RESTRICTION. AND AGAIN, THAT IS IN LINE AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, UM, MANY JURISDICTIONS WHO HAVE REVISED THEIR ORDINANCES IN RECENT YEARS HAVE DONE. AND IT IS ALSO CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE, THE GUIDANCE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES. UM, SO THE, THE FIRST CHANGE YOU SEE THERE IS AN ELIMINATION OF, OF THIS PROVISION THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, FIRST THAT ANY PROHIBITS, EXCUSE ME, UH, HUNTING WITH ANY SHOTGUN LOADED WITH SLUGS. UH, AGAIN, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT, UM, THIS IS A, A SOMEWHAT OUTDATED REQUIREMENT. UM, IT IS STILL, IT IS STILL PERMITTED IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE COUNTY WOULD WANT TO KEEP IN ITS, UH, ORDINANCES. UH, BUT IT IS, UH, IT IS A BIT, UH, OUTDATED AND NOT CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT PRACTICES. THE SECOND THING YOU'LL SEE IS AN ELIMINATION OF THE LIMITATION, UM, THAT OF THE POINT 22 RIM FIRE, UH, AS I SPOKE OF EARLIER. AND THEN THE CURRENT LAW HAD AN EXCEPTION ABOUT THE HUNTING OF GROUNDHOGS BETWEEN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD AGAIN, THAT THAT IS SET OUT IN, IN VIRGINIA CODE, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY, ESPECIALLY FOR REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT ON, ON THE POINT, THE LIMITATION, EXCUSE ME, ON THE POINT 22 ROOM FIRE. UH, SO, UM, SO NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, HUNTING IN THE COUNTY WITH A RIFLE OF POINT 22 CALIBER OR LARGER, AND, EXCUSE ME, WE, WE'VE LEFT THAT LANGUAGE IN. BUT THAT LANGUAGE CAN, CAN BE REMOVED, UH, OF GROUNDHOGS BETWEEN MARCH 1ST AND AUGUST 31ST OF EACH YEAR. AND ALL OTHER GAME BIRD AND NUISANCE SPECIES SHALL BE PERMITTED AS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW, UH, AND REGULATIONS. THEN B IS HUNTING IN THE COUNTY WITH MUZZLE LOADING. RIFLES IS PERMITTED DURING THE PRESCRIBED OPEN SEASONS FOR THE HUNTING OF GAME SPECIES AS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW AND REGULATIONS. AND THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD TIME, AND AGAIN, MR. AKER CAN SPEAK, SPEAK MORE ELOQUENTLY TO THIS, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY THE DEPARTMENT HAS A LOT OF, UH, RE REGULATIONS AND, UM, SEASONS FOR DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TYPES OF HUNTING, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF GAME THAT CAN BE HUNTED AT DIFFERENT, AT DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. SO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE EXISTING, UH, RESTRICTIONS ON TIMING THAT WERE PRESENT IN THE OLD VERSION OF OUR ORDINANCE ARE REALLY JUST NO LONGER NECESSARY BECAUSE AT THIS STAGE IN 2024, THERE ARE MUCH CLEARER PARAMETERS THAN THERE WERE BACK IN 2001. UM, PART C, NOTWITHSTANDING THE ABOVE, DEER AND BEAR HUNTING WITH A RIFLE OF POINT 23 CALIBER OR LARGER DURING THE PRESCRIBED OPEN SEASONS AS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW AND REGULATIONS SHALL BE ALLOWED IN THE COUNTY ONLY AS FOLLOWS. SO WE ARE EXPANDING AND ALLOWING IT, BUT WE ARE PUTTING, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DOES IS PUT SOME PARAMETERS ON THAT. SO ONE OF THE PARAMETERS IS THAT HUNTING, UM, SHALL ONLY OCCUR FROM AN ELEVATED STAND AT LEAST 10 FEET ABOVE THE GROUND. UM, AND THERE IS AN EXCEPTION THAT SUCH WEAPON MAY BE DI DISCHARGED ON THE GROUND IF THE PURPOSE OF DISCHARGING IT ON THE GROUND IS TO, UM, IT IS TO I WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY TO [00:25:01] DISPATCH THE ANIMAL THAT HAS BEEN, THAT HAS BEEN WOUNDED FROM THE ELEVATED HUNTING PLATFORM. UH, ALSO THE RIFLE MAY HAVE A ROUND IN ITS CHAMBER ONLY WHEN IT'S ON THE ELEVATED STAND OR IN ROUTE TO THE WOUNDED ANIMAL. AND, UM, THE THIRD RESTRICTION IS THAT, OR I SHOULD SAY CLARIFICATION, IS THAT, UH, THERE IS A VIRGINIA CODE SECTION THAT EXEMPTS FROM ELEVATED STAND REQUIREMENTS, UH, A HUNTER WHO IS DISABLED. SO AGAIN, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT, THAT IS CLEAR IN OUR ORDINANCE. THEN, UH, AGAIN, UNDER SECTION D, WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE LANDOWNER MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR TO HUNTING ON PROPERTY NOT OWNED BY THE PERSON HUNTING AT PRESENT. THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW IS THAT IF A PROPERTY IS POSTED, NO TRESPASSING OR NO HUNTING, THEN OF COURSE WRITTEN PERMISSION IS REQUIRED. BUT THIS WOULD COVER PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY, THE OWNER MAY NOT HAVE NECESSARILY POSTED THE PROPERTY, UH, BUT AGAIN, JUST TO, TO HELP PROTECT THE, UH, THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY AND ALSO THE HUNTERS THEMSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE PERMISSION. UM, AND THEN THE LAST SECTION THERE IS A PARTICULAR, UM, NEWER SECTION OF VIRGINIA CODE THAT, UH, ALLOWS A LANDOWNER OR A, A LESSEE. SO A SOMEONE WHO'S RENTING THE PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM KILLING A DEER OR BEAR THAT IS DAMAGING FRUIT, TREES, CROPS, LIVESTOCK OR PERSONAL PROPERTY UTILIZED FOR COMMERCIAL AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION. UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, WITH A STATE CODE SECTION. SO THAT IS REALLY, THAT, THAT IS THE CRUX OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION, UH, I AM PROPOSING ELIMINATION OF SECTION 20 DASH 96, WHICH WAS TITLED DEER HUNTING. AND THAT IS REALLY BECAUSE ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN INSERTED, UH, AND CONSOLIDATED INTO SECTION 20 DASH 95 THAT I JUST SPOKE, SPOKE ABOUT. SAME WITH SECTION 20 DASH 97 THAT DEALT WITH MUZZLE LOADING BLACK POWDER CHARGED RIFLES. THE MUZZLE LOADING PIECE HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO SECTION 20 DASH 95. IN ADDITION, THE BLACK POWDER LIMITATION, UH, ON THE FORM OF AMMUNITION THAT CAN BE USED FOR MUZZLE LOADING RIFLES IS BEING ELIMINATED BECAUSE THERE ARE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT RESTRICTED BY STATE REGULATIONS OR BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES. AND SECOND OF ALL, THERE ARE NEW FORMS OF AMMUNITION THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW FOR MUZZLE LOADING RIFLES THAT WERE NOT AROUND IN 2001. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT WAS TO GO AHEAD AND ELIMINATE IT. UH, IT'S THE DEPARTMENT WHO ENFORCES THESE, THESE LAWS, UM, AND OUR COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY PROSECUTES THESE. SO IF IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THE, THE FOLKS FROM THE DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S GOING ON, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ENFORCEMENT TO OCCUR. SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER OBJECTIVE OF THIS CLEANUP. UM, IF WE LOOK AT, UH, THE NEXT CHANGES OCCUR IN SECTION 20 DASH 98 ABOUT BOW AND ARROW HUNTING. SO THIS REMAINS A SEPARATE SECTION 'CAUSE THE LAST SECTION WAS ONLY ABOUT HUNTING WITH FIREARMS. SO, UH, THIS ADDRESSES BOW AND ARROW HUNTING. IT ADDS, UM, A SLIM BOW AND A CROSSBOW, UH, WHICH WERE NOT, NOT PART OF OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE. AND, UH, REALLY THE, THE ADDITIONS, UM, ARE TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH STATE REGULATIONS. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TIME SET UP WHEN BO HUNTING CAN OCCUR, NOW IT JUST STATES, UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT STATES THE TIMES AT WHICH HUNTING SHALL COMMENCE AND END ON EACH DAY SHALL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF OF, AND THEN THE STATE CODE SECTION IS LISTED AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE OWNER, UH, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS, UH, BEING ADDED UNDER FIREARMS, UNDER HUNTING WITH FIREARMS. AND, UM, THE ADDITION OF A PROVISION THAT IS UNLAWFUL TO DISCHARGE A BOW AND ARROW IN A MANNER THAT CAN BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO RESULT IN, IN THE IMPACT OF THE ARROW UPON THE PROPERTY OF ANOTHER WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER OF SUCH PROPERTY. SO THAT THAT MEANS YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, YOU WOULDN'T BE HUNTING ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THE WAY YOU ARE POSITIONING THE BOW AND ARROW, THE ARROW COULD END UP ON ANOTHER'S PROPERTY. UM, MOVING ON. UM, THE NEXT CHANGE IS TO SECTION 20 DASH 100. THE CARRYING OF LOADED WEAPONS UPON PUBLIC ROADS IS PROHIBITED. AND I DO WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY I'M PROPOSING THAT WE ELIMINATE THE SECTION, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS THE ALMOST IDENTICAL [00:30:01] SECTION OF CODE IN SECTION 20 DASH 66, WHICH IS IN THE GENERAL UNDER THE HUNTING, THE DIVISION OF COUNTY CODE THAT ADDRESSES HUNTING. SO, UM, IT AGAIN, TO, TO STREAMLINE AND MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT. THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR IT TO BE IN THE HUNTING, UH, SECTION IF IT IS IN THE MORE GENERAL WEAPONS SECTION. SO THAT IS WHY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, NOT THAT WE ARE ELIMINATING THAT PROHIBITION FROM COUNTY CODE. UH, AND, UH, THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE, THE CHANGES. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, MR. AKER IS HERE AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU MS. PERKINS, FOR THE PRESENTATION. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL COMMENCE OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON OUR AMENDMENT TO THE HUNTING ORDINANCE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, THIS MATTER, WE ASK THAT YOU WILL COME TO THE ROSTRUM AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT. ROBERT CHANDLER BACONS CASTLE DISTRICT. I'M 77 YEARS OLD AND I'VE BEEN HUNTING SINCE I WAS EIGHT. NOW REALIZING I WAS HUNTING IN TEXAS ON OPEN RANGE ON A RANCH. HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH BEARS. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT ALLOWS A HOMEOWNER OR A FARMER TO PROTECT HIMSELF AGAINST A BEAR. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT ALLOWANCE. AND I HAVE HAD BLACK BEARS IN MY FRONT YARD, IN MY GARDEN, AND ON THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BLACK BEARS, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF IT, ARE ONE OF THE MORE ORNERY OF THE BEAR SPECIES AND THEY CAN GET QUITE LARGE. NUMBER TWO SHOTGUNS WHEN YOU MENTION RIFLE AND STAND OF OVER 10 FEET HIGH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. HAVING HUNTED WITH HIGH POWERED RIFLES, THAT'S A VERY SAFE THING TO DO. BUT SHOTGUNS, I DIDN'T SEE ANY REQUIREMENT IN THERE FOR A SHOTGUN. SO DOES THAT MEAN SHOTGUNS ARE NOT PROHIBITED FROM HUNTING ON FLAT SURFACE? NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE BE HUNTED FROM A 10 FOOT HIGH STAND? THEY WERE BASICALLY THREE KINDS OF GUNS, BLACK POWDER, SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES. SO WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT. UH, I KNOW IT'S A STATE LAW, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT THE 2 23 CALIBER 5.56 IS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR ROUNDS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR HUNTING AND REGULAR GENERAL SHOOTING. NOW, THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE SHOOT A RIFLE IN HUNTING FOR LESS THAN 23 CALIBER. WELL, THE 2 23 IS A 22 WITH A LARGER THAN 22 CALIBER BULLET. 30 STATES IN, IN THE UNITED STATES ALLOW HUNTING WITH A 2 23. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THAT. EVEN THOUGH VIRGINIA PROHIBITS AT CURRENTLY NOW CARRYING OF RIFLES ON PUBLIC ROADS, DOES THAT NEW ORDINANCE COMPLETELY PROHIBITED THE CARRYING OF RIFLES AND VEHICLES ON PUBLIC ROADS? IS THAT THE WAY I READ THAT OR AM I READING IT INCORRECTLY? IT USED TO BE LOADED GUNS OR RIFLES, I SHOULD SAY. WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, WE WERE ALLOWED TO CARRY RIFLES, PISTOLS, WHATEVER WE WANTED TO INTO THE, INTO THE SCHOOL YARD. OF COURSE, IT'S A DIFFERENT GENERATION NOW. THOSE WERE MY BASIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN GENERAL. I AM COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN EXCEPT FOR THOSE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE, ANY OTHER CITIZEN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? I APOLOGIZE TO MY NESS. [00:35:05] SO I'VE MISSED THE PRESENTATION, SO IF ANY OF MY COMMENTS ARE OFF POINT, I APOLOGIZE. UM, DR. SHAY, SORRY, DISTRICT. SO I'M GONNA BEGIN BY THANKING, UH, DOHA PIERCE AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AND LODA PERKINS OVER IN LEGAL, UH, FOR THEIR TIMELY RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS TODAY. THAT'S GREAT WORK TOWARDS TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, COVER SHEEP FOR TODAY'S MEETING. NOTES THAT WE PROPOSED ADDING BEARS TO ADDRESS THE INCREASE IN THE BEAR POPULATION IN THE COUNTY. UM, THAT WAS A BIT CONFUSING SINCE BEAR HUNTING IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, UM, IF I'M CORRECT THAT THE UPDATED LANGUAGE MERELY CLARIFIES THE WEAPONRY CITIZENS CAN USE, THEN DESPITE MY LOVE OF WILDLIFE, I HAVE NO OPPOSITION. UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING COMMERCIAL FARMERS TO PROTECT THEIR CROPS FROM BEAR AND DEER. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT BEARS ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUISANCE OR THAT THEIR POPULATION IS OUT OF CONTROL IN SURREY COUNTY IF DATA SHOWS OTHERWISE, I'D LOVE TO KNOW IF I'VE ALREADY MISSED THAT PART OF THE PRESENTATION. I APOLOGIZE. MY HOPE IS THAT WE DON'T EXPAND OR ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL BEAR HUNTING. I WAS SPEAKING THIS MORNING TO A WOMAN WHO USED TO WORK AT HER PARENTS' BAIT AND TACKLE SHOP. SHE WOULD WEIGH BEARS, PULL THEIR TEETH TO AGE THEM, EVERYTHING SHE TOLD ME ABOUT HER HUNTER WHO CAME IN ONE DAY WHO SAID, I'LL NEVER SHOOT A BEAR AGAIN. THERE ARE SCREAMS IT MADE WHEN I SHOT IT TRAILED OFF SPORT HUNTING BEARS MIGHT BE ENJOYABLE FOR SOME, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY UNLESS THEIR NUMBERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL OR UNLESS THEY'RE AN ACTUAL THREAT DUE TO HUMAN ENCROACHMENT ON THEIR HABITAT. DWR STATES, WHENEVER POSSIBLE DW R'S APPROACH TO MANAGING PROBLEM BEARS ENCOURAGES THE COEXISTENCE OF BEARS AND HUMANS. SO LET'S COEXIST. I ASKED THE SUPERVISORS TO EXPAND EFFORTS TO LIVE IN HARMONY WITH NATURE LIMITING EFFORTS TO PAVE IT OVER POLLUTED, SHOOT IT OR OTHERWISE DISRESPECTED. DWR HAS A WEALTH OF RESOURCES ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL OF HUMAN BEAR COEXISTENCE. I'M GONNA CONCLUDE WITH READING COMMON BLACK BEAR MYTHS FROM DW R'S WEBSITE. AND I, I'LL DO THIS UNTIL MY TIME EXPIRES. RESPECTFULLY MYTH, A BEAR STANDING ON HIS HIND LEGS IS ABOUT TO CHARGE OR ATTACK FACT A BEAR STAND ON HIS HIND LEGS TO GET A BETTER VIEW AND SMELL THE SURROUNDINGS. THIS IS NOT AN AGGRESSIVE POSTURE, JUST A WAY TO DETERMINE WHO OR WHAT GAINED ITS INTEREST. ALL THESE ARE QUOTES OFF DWS WEBSITE. BY THE WAY, MYTH BEARS ARE DANGEROUS PREDATORS. IN FACT, ALTHOUGH CLASSIFIED AS CARNIVORES, BLACK BEARS WERE OMNIVORES AND OPPORTUNISTIC FEEDERS, OVER 80% OF THEIR DIET CONSISTS OF VEGETATION, FRUIT, AND NUTS. THEY REMAIN INCLU. THE THE REMAINDER INCLUDES MOSTLY INSECTS AND LARVA CARRY ON FISH. AND OCCASIONALLY SMALL MAMMALS MYTH SHOOTING OR RELOCATING A BEAR THAT HAS BEEN ATTRACTED TO YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF A FOOD SOURCE WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IN FACT, REMOVING A BEAR AND NOT THE ATTRACTANT WILL ONLY CREATE A NEW AVAILABLE HABITAT NICHE SO ANOTHER BEAR CAN MOVE RIGHT BACK IN. RESULTING IN THE SAME ISSUES CREATING A VICIOUS CYCLE OF KILLING MYTH, ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS ENCOUNTERS IS GETTING BETWEEN A MOTHER BEAR AND HER CUBS. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS TRUE. IN FACT, BECAUSE BLACK BEARS CAN TREAT THEIR CUBS, IT'S RARE FOR THEM TO INJURE A PERSON IN THAT SITUATION. THE CUBS ARE GREAT AT CLIMBING, WILL BE SET UP A TREE IF THE MOTHER BEAR FEELS NERVOUS. SO THAT APPARENTLY IS A MYTH AS WELL, ONE THAT I HAD BELIEVED. SO MY TIME HAVING EXPIRED, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, CONTINUE WITH YOUR BUSINESS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHERS? IF THERE BE NO OTHERS, WE WOULD, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS IN REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, ANY COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MANY COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE I HUNTED ANYTHING. I'M NOT EVEN FAMILIAR WITH THE EQUIPMENT ANYMORE, BUT I SAW MS. PERKINS, YOU WERE TAKING NOTES WHEN PEOPLE WERE TALKING. SO I GUESS MY, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES THAT WERE PROVIDED? SHE'S, SHE'S GONNA, SHE'S GONNA HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE. THANK YOU. YES, YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? UH, CHAIR MR. HARDY? UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE, UH, THAT DUE DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS. I THINK IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. I THINK A LOT OF THE HUNTERS IN SUR COUNTY, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THIS, UM, REVISION AND UPDATE. UM, I'LL LET MR. PRESIDENT WANNA ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, I WANNA THANK MS. PERKINS FOR HER DUE DILIGENCE, UM, DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES, UH, MR. DEREK DAVIS. SO AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING. BUT REMEMBER, UH, IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES AND THE ORDINANCE, THERE WILL BE REPERCUSSIONS. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO. DO NOT RUIN A GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY IN, IN THE COUNTY. SO PLEASE ABIDE BY THE STATE AND, UH, LOCAL ORDINANCE, PLEASE. AND, UM, EVERYONE ELSE INVOLVED. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO CALL NAMES, BUT, UM, I KNOW I HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. PERKINS AND SHE TOLD ME EVERYBODY REACHED OUT TO SURROUNDING COUNTY. SO, UM, THIS CAN BE DONE. IT IS BEING DONE AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES IS BEING DONE SAFELY. AND, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT WOULD [00:40:01] NOT BE THE CASE HERE IN SUR COUNTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HARDY. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS, WE WOULD, UH, ASK MS. PERKINS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BY OUR CITIZENS AT THIS TIME. YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND IF I COULD ACTUALLY ASK MR. AKER TO COME, COME UP. UM, I BELIEVE HE CAN HELP PROVIDE SOME OFFICIAL DATA AND CLARIFICATION AS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS MS. PARTICULARLY ABOUT, ABOUT BEARS. UH, YEAH. YEAH. UM, THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. UM, MS. PERKINS, THE, THE, THE BEAR ISSUE. SURREY COUNTY HAS A HEALTHY POPULATION OF BEARS. UM, THE STATE DEPARTMENT WILDLIFE AIMS TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. UM, BUT WE USE HUNTING TO MANAGE POPULATIONS OF ALL GAME ANIMALS, BEARS INCLUDED. UM, SO WE HAVE BEAR HUNTING SEASONS IN SURREY COUNTY SET APPROPRIATE FOR THE POPULATION NUMBERS AS THEY ARE NOW. UM, IF THAT IS HAPPENS TO CHANGE, WE'LL ADJUST THE SEASONS ACCORDINGLY. UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS PART OF VIRGINIA ONLY HAS BLACK BEARS. THEY'RE NOT, UM, GRIZZLY BEARS. I APPRECIATE THE, THE, UM, SORT OF TRIVIA WE HEARD FROM OUR WEBSITE. THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. UM, BLACK BEARS AREN'T A RISK TO HUMAN SAFETY. THEY CAN BE A PAIN, THEY CAN MAKE A MESS OF YOUR GARBAGE OR YOUR PEANUT FIELD OR YOUR CORNFIELD OR WHATEVER. UM, UH, SO, SO WE WANT TO MANAGE THEM PROPERLY AND KEEP THEIR NUMBERS IN CHECK. UM, AND, AND, BUT NOT, OF COURSE IN HARMING THEM. UM, AND HUNTING IS THE BEST TOOL WE HAVE TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WE, UH, ENCOURAGE LEGAL BEAR HUNTING, UM, WITHIN THE REGULATIONS THAT WE SET. AND MR. AKER, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, MS. PERFECT. UM, MR. KER, CAN YOU, UH, SPEAK AS TO WHAT THE, THE CURRENT STATE OF THE, OF THE REGULATIONS ARE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO PROTECTING ONE'S PROPERTY FROM ANIMALS THAT HAVE GONE, GONE AWRY? OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO THE STATE WILL ISSUE, UM, KILL PERMITS FOR FARMERS, UM, IF THEY'RE EXPERIENCING DAMAGE FROM DEER OR BEAR. UM, AND THAT IS A, UH, A TOOL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. IT'S ALSO WHEN WE TRY TO MINIMIZE, WE, WE WOULD MUCH RATHER HUNTERS, UM, TAKE THESE GAME ANIMALS AND USE THEM DURING THE HUNTING SEASONS. SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. SO, UM, OUR, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL ISSUE, UM, FARMERS AND LANDOWNERS PERMITS TO TAKE A, UH, TAKE OUT THESE, UH, OFFENDING ANIMALS IF NECESSARY. UM, AND THAT'S USUALLY CASE BY CASE, BUT, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH DEER, IF, IF, IF THERE IS DAMAGE FROM DEER, UM, THAT PERSON CAN GET A KILL PERMIT TO, TO REMOVE THOSE ANIMALS AND BEAR WORKS SIMILARLY. AND IF I MAY, AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF REGULATIONS WITH RESPECT TO, TO SHOTGUNS? UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH, UM, THE ELEVATED STANDS AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER? YES, SIR. SO THERE'S NO COUNTY THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVEN A, A REGULATION THAT REQUIRES A MINIMUM STAND HEIGHT TO HUNT WITH A SHOTGUN. RIGHT. UM, TYPICAL SHOTGUN HUNTING IS DONE FROM THE GROUND MOST OF THE TIMES WITH DOGS. UM, SOME HUNTERS DO CHOOSE TO HUNT WITH THEM OUT OF TREE STANDS, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY COUNTIES THAT THAT MANDATED. AND, AND LASTLY, MR. GER, UM, CAN, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY, IS BEAR HUNTING CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN SURREY COUNTY? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. MM-HMM. UH, BEAR HUNTING IS ALLOWED NOW. SURREY COUNTY, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS ALLOWED TO LIMIT THE WEAPONS TYPES THAT ARE USED FOR THAT. UM, BUT IT IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE SEASON STRUCTURE SET BY THE STATE. THANK YOU, SIR. AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KER. HE'S BEEN A, JUST A MARVELOUS RESOURCE, UH, TO ME AS I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ORDINANCE REVISION. OKAY. SURE. JUST THANK YOU. OH, I'M SORRY. JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT IS BEAR SEASON? UH, SO BEAR SEASON HAS THREE PHASES. THERE'S AN ARCHERY BEAR SEASON THAT IS OH, RIGHT. OCTOBER AND BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER THERE'S A MUZZLE OR BEAR SEASON. THAT IS FOR EARLY NOVEMBER FOR A FEW DAYS. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S A FIREARMS BEAR SEASON THAT'S BEGINNING OF DECEMBER FOR I THINK ABOUT A WEEK. OKAY. UM, AND WE ADJUST THOSE DATES, LIKE I SAID, AS AS NECESSARY AS WE SEE THE POPULATIONS INCREASE OR DECREASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , MR. CHAIR. MS. COWELL CHAIR. SORRY. . UM, I'M NOT A HUNTER, SO PLEASE. EX, UM, MR. CHANDLER, UM, ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT RIFLES ON PUBLIC ROADS, UM, LIKE GOING TO AND FROM STANDS. IS THAT, AND THAT'S MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MAY? YES. YES. CORRECT. UH, SO TO, TO CLARIFY THE LIMITATION ON HAVING FIRE FIREARMS ON HAVING RIFLES AND SHOTGUN IN YOUR VEHICLE AS YOU'RE TRA TRAVERSING THE ROADS IS LIMITED TO LOADED. SO, UH, UNLOADED WEAPONS, THAT THAT IS FINE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PERMISSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK [00:45:01] YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM, . UM, THANK YOU MR. AKER AGAIN FOR COMING. THANK YOU TONIGHT. AND, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD CLARIFY, I, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE COVERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS. UM, AGAIN, JUST PERTAINS TO LOADED, UH, LOADED FIREARMS. AND, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION E OF SECTION 20 DASH 95, THAT, THAT'S THE SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, NOTHING IN THE SECTION SHALL PROHIBIT A LANDOWNER OR, OR A TENANT FROM KILLING A DEER OR BEAR THAT IS DAMAGING, THAT IS CAUSING DAMAGE TO, TO THEIR PROPERTY. UH, ASIDE FROM THAT, IF, IF YOU ARE IN DANGER OF YOUR LIFE, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WOULD FALL UNDER DEFENSE OF PROPERTY, DEFENSE OF SELF, UH, FROM, FROM A BEAR, A DEER OR, OR A PERSON, UH, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT SAME, THAT SAME CATEGORY. AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, ADDRESSES ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE QUESTIONS. BUT IF I, IF I MISSED ONE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU, MS. PERKINS. UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, THIS CLOSING REMARKS FROM STAFF HAS BEEN GIVEN BY MS. PERKINS. UH, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, REQUESTED TO VIEW THIS ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL. AND AT THIS TIME, THE CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT CHAIR. MR. HARDY, I MOVE TO, WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING IN ITS ENTIRETY. WE HAVE A MOTION. YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? LET IT BE KNOWN BY THE VOTING SIGN OF AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION IS CARRIED AND THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ADOPTED. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS TIME, [County Administrators Report] WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HARRISON. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN ELLIOT, VICE CHAIR PIERCE. BOARD MEMBERS ASSEMBLED, UH, AND MRS. PERKINS. UH, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT FOR THIS EVENING WILL BE VERY BRIEF. MS. ROLLINS HAS ASKED ME TO ANNOUNCE ALL CURRENT AND UPCOMING EVENTS AND PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTY. I'LL START WITH OUR SUMMER CAMP, WHICH IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. AND THAT HAS STARTED, UH, JUNE 3RD, THIRD, UH, THROUGH THE 28TH. AND THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED ARE TRIPS FOR OUR YOUTH. WILL JUNE 7TH BOWLER ROAD, UH, IN WILLIAMSBURG, UH, FIELD TRIP, JUNE 14TH, NORFOLK ZOO, JUNE 21ST, SURGE ADVENTURE PARK, JUNE 28TH, HAMPTON AQUA PLEX. SO AGAIN, SUMMER SCHOOL, UH, HAS COMMENCED, IT ENDS ON THE 28TH AND THERE'S SEVERAL FIELD TRIPS SCHEDULED FOR OUR YOUTH. FINAL WEEKS. WE ARE IN THE FINAL WEEKS OF OUR SPRING SOCCER SEASON. TEAMS ARE COM ARE COMPETING CURRENTLY IN AGE FIVE, UH, FIVE AGE DIVISIONS. WE HAVE OUR FATHER FIGURE CHILLING AND GRILLING EVENT THAT WILL BE HELD THIS SATURDAY, JUNE 8TH FROM 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM AT THE PAVILION. WE WILL HAVE THE ANNUAL JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL, WHICH WILL BE HELD SATURDAY, UH, JUNE 15TH FROM 11:00 AM TO 7:00 PM THE SURY SUMMER HEALTH CAMP DAY, JUNE 21ST FROM 4:00 PM THROUGH 7:00 PM AT PARKS AND REC. UH, SURY FINE WORKS. JULY 4TH. UH, UH, CELEBRATION WILL BE HELD ON THE THIRD JULY 3RD, UH, AT, LET'S SEE, 5:00 PM UH, FIREWORKS WILL START AT 9:30 PM SO THE GATES OPEN AT FOUR. ENTERTAINMENT STARTS AT 5:00 PM FIREWORKS WILL COMMENCE OR START AT 9:30 PM AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. HARRISON. UH, FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT BOARD MEMBERS, YOU HAVE [Reports] YOUR REPORTS IN YOUR PACKET FROM OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, A BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND OTHER REPORTS THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO YOU IN OUR PACKET. AND YOU ALSO HAVE [For Your Information] YOUR, UH, INVESTMENT LETTER THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE AS WELL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE REPORTS OR THE LETTER THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET? IF THERE BE NONE, WE WILL NOW [Public Comments] HAVE OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. PERKINS TO READ OUR PERFORMANCE AGREEMENTS WITH OUR CITIZENS FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. RULES FOR CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD. TO ENSURE THAT THE AFFAIRS OF THE BOARD AND ITS COMMITTEES MAY BE CONDUCTED IN AN ORDERLY MANNER TO ENSURE THAT ALL PERSONS DESIRING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON MATTERS PERTINENT TO IT ARE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. TO PERMIT PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE, TO OBSERVE AND HEAR THE PROCEEDINGS [00:50:01] OF THE BOARD WITHOUT DISTRACTION, AND TO PERMIT TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE BOARD, FULLEST EXTENT THE BOARD TO CONDUCT COUNTY BUSINESS WITH MINIMAL DISRUPTION. THE FOLLOWING RULES ARE ESTABLISHED. A, EACH PERSON DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST SIGN UP IN ADVANCE OF THE OPENING OF THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD ON THE AGENDA. B, EACH SPEAKER SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PERIOD OF THREE MINUTES PER COMMENT PERIOD. WHEN TWO MINUTES HAVE PASSED, THE SPEAKER WILL BE REMINDED THAT THERE IS ONE MINUTE REMAINING. C. SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP MAY USE THEIR ALLOTTED TIME ONLY FOR THEMSELVES AND MAY NOT DONATE THEIR TIME TO OTHER SPEAKERS. D SPEAKERS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO USE AUDIO, VISUAL MATERIALS OR OTHER VISUAL DISPLAYS, BUT MAY PRESENT WRITTEN AND PHOTOGRAPHIC MATERIALS TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. COMMENTS MUST BE E EXCUSE ME. E COMMENTS MUST BE CONFINED TO MATTERS, GERMANE TO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SHALL NOT BE CUMULATIVE OR REPETITIVE. THE BOARD MAY PREVENT OR DISCONTINUE COMMENTS FROM ANY SPEAKER THAT ARE IRRELEVANT. F SPEAKERS SHOULD ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH DECORUM, LOUD, BOISTEROUS, AND DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR. OBSCENITY AND VULGARITY SHOULD BE AVOIDED AS WELL AS OTHER WORDS OR ACTS TENDING TO EVOKE VIOLENCE OR DEEM TO BE A BREACH OF THE PEACE. INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT ABIDE BY THIS POLICY AFTER A WARNING WILL FORFEIT ANY REMAINING SPEAKER TIME AND BE ASKED TO RETURN TO THEIR SEAT OR LEAVE THE MEETING. G THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD OR TIME FOR DIALOGUE WITH COUNTY OFFICIALS. QUESTIONS WHICH ARE RAISED DURING A COMMENT PERIOD MAY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD, BE RESPONDED TO YOU BY COUNTY OFFICIALS. AFTER SUFFICIENT TIME FOR APPROPRIATE INVESTIGATION, H SPEAKER SHALL REMAIN AT THE PODIUM WHILE ADDRESSING THE BOARD, EXCEPT FOR AN ACCOMMODATION HAS BEEN GRANTED IN ADVANCE. I SPEAKERS SHALL NOT BE INTERRUPTED BY AUDIENCE. COMMENTS, CALLS SLASH WHISTLES, LAUGHTER OR OTHER GESTURES. INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO DO NOT ABIDE BY THIS POLICY AFTER WARNING WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE MEETING. JAY. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE PROHIBITED FROM CAMPAIGNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE OR OTHERWISE ENGAGING IN ELECTION RELATED SPEECH IN THE MEETING ROOM WHEN NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO AN ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD. THESE RULES DO NOT PRECLUDE PERSONS FROM DELIVERING TO THE BOARD OR IT'S CLERK WRITTEN MATERIALS INCLUDING REPORTS, STATEMENTS, EXHIBITS, LETTERS, OR SIGN PETITIONS, OR TO PROHIBIT PERSONS FROM PRESENTING ORAL OR WRITTEN COMMENTS ON ANY SUBJECT GERMANE TO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD, TO INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS OR TO THE BOARD THROUGH ITS CLERK OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF THE PUBLIC MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. PERKINS. WE HAVE THANK YOU MS. PERKINS. WE WILL HAVE FIRST SIGN UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. MS. HELEN EGGLESTON. I THINK I PASS TONIGHT. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU MS. UH, EGGLESTON. WE HAVE MR. MIKE TON. I TALKED TONIGHT AT DINNER. MIKE OLSON DINNER IN BLACKWATER DISTRICT IS ON INFRASTRUCTURE. I GUESS YOU COULD CALL THIS GOOD COP, BAD COP. SOME THINGS THE COUNTY DID EXCEPTIONALLY WELL AND SOME WAS A DI DISMAL FAILURE. RESCUE SQUAD IS ON THE GOOD SIDE. FIBER NETWORK WAS ON THE FANTASTIC SIDE, WHICH PRINCE GEORGE ELECTRIC DELIVERED A LOT OF CREDIT FOR. COUNTY DUMP SITES HAVE SHOWN SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ALSO, BUT EMPLOYEES DON'T DO MUCH OF ABOUT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES DUMPING IN SUR COUNTY. DENVER DUMP SITE IS BAD ABOUT THAT. UH, THE ON THE BAD SIDE IS TRASH ALONG THE HIGHWAYS. IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY DUMP BELONGS 31 AND SIX 17. WE CAN'T, THE COUNTY CAN'T AFFORD NO LITTERING SIGNS WITH FINES. UH, IT IS DEPLORABLE. I MEAN, I CAN, YOU CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT THE DITCHES LOOK LIKE. ROCKY HIGH ROAD MUST BE USED BY A LOT OF ALCOHOLICS AS WE ARE CONSTANTLY PICKING UP BEER CANS, BEER BOTTLES, AND WHISKEY BOTTLES. THERE'S NO SENSE IN THIS. A SWIMMING POOL IS NOT INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT A LIABILITY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE COST INVOLVED WITH POOL CHEMICALS, CLEANING AND LIFEGUARDS? NEVERMIND THE LIABILITY OF SOMEBODY GETS HURT OR DROWNS. I HOPE YOU HAVE INSURANCE. HAVE YOU TALKED TO CHIP FOLKS TO SEE WHY THEY CLOSED THEIR POOL? ALSO, POOLS HAVE SIGNIFICANT COST FOR PUMPING SHELTER MAINTENANCE, GOOD ROADS TO TRACK WORKING PEOPLE TO THE COUNTY, NOT SWIMMING POOLS. A GOOD PARTY [00:55:01] OF COUNTY, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT WORK, TRAVEL OUTSIDE THE COUNTY TO WORK. UH, OTHER THAN DOMINION AND MAYBE SUR SEAFOOD, THE ROADS ARE PARTICULARLY JONES DRIVE IS IN DEPLORABLE SHAPE. WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE THE STATE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. ALL OF THESE CONSTRUCTION OF SOLAR FARMS, BUT NOBODY'S LEANING ON 'EM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADS STAY VIABLE FOR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS. ROCKY HIGH ROAD ON SIX 17 HAS GRASS GROWING UP THROUGH THE ROAD SURFACE. I FREQUENTLY SEE VDO PICKUP DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD. IS HIS EYESIGHT SO POOR? WE CAN'T SEE THIS. MAYBE WE NEED TO BUY HIM A C AND I DOG DRIVING DOWN JONES DRIVE IS A WALK ON THE WILD SIDE. HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. WE NEXT HAVE, EXCUSE ME. WE NEXT HAVE MRS. ROXANNE SHEARS. GOOD EVENING CHAIR PERSON ELLIOT AND DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M ROXANNE MARSH SHEERS FROM CARSLEY DISTRICT AND ALSO THE CHAIRPERSON FOR UNITED TO EMPOWER ORGANIZATION. SO TRADITIONALLY, JUNE 19TH IS KNOWN AS JUNETEENTH AND THIS IS THE OLDEST CELEBRATION COMMEMORATING THE END OF SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES. WITH THAT UNITED TO EMPOWER ORGANIZATION, WE'LL BE FACILITATING THE THIRD ANNUAL JUNETEENTH PROGRAM AT THE SURREY COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION CENTER. UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENT IS TO EDUCATE AND EMPOWER AND ENHANCE, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE UNITED TO EMPOWER'S MISSION. THE JUBILEE, WHICH IS ALSO THE JUNETEENTH EVENT, WILL BEGIN AT 11:00 AM TO 7:00 PM AND IT WILL BE A ROBUST PROGRAM AND IT IS SCHEDULED, UM, TO INCLUDE VARIOUS ACTIVITIES FOR NOT ONLY CHILDREN BUT ADULTS ALIKE. THERE'LL BE A PRESS RELEASE THAT WILL GO OUT BASED ON OUR ACTIVITIES THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE JUNE 15TH. UM, WE WERE COMING HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE WANTED TO THANK, UH, THE SURREY COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR YOUR SUPPORT, UM, FOR FOSTERING UNITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SO SUPPORTIVE TO THIS EVENT AND BEING A COLLABORATION, UM, BEING IN COLLABORATION WITH UNITED TWO EMPOWER ORGANIZATION. SO THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU MS. SHES NEXT HAVE MR. ROBERT CHANDLER. ROBERT CHANDLER, BACON'S CASTLE DISTRICT. I WANNA THANK ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR THEIR ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH SUPPORTING THE COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT LAST YEAR SURREY COUNTY WAS RATED NUMBER SEVENTH, LOWEST POPULATED COUNTY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. THIS YEAR, IT'S NUMBER FIVE AND WE ALL KNOW THE POPULATION IS DWINDLING IN SURREY COUNTY. NOW, I TEXTED A MESSAGE TO MINE, REPRESENTATIVE MR. HARDY. I WAS INVOLVED IN A STUDY LAST YEAR PERFORMED BY AMERICAN VETERANS VOTE ON THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOMING AROUND MILITARY BASES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE FACILITY IN VIRGINIA THAT HAS SUFFICIENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING JUST TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY NEEDS. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PEOPLE NEEDS AND THE ORDER OF NEEDS. AND I TEXTED TO MR. HARDY WAS NUMBER ONE, HOMES, AFFORDABLE. HOMES. NUMBER TWO WAS JOBS. AND I DON'T NEED TO GO ON TO ANYTHING LOWER THAN THAT. BUT IN ORDER TO ATTRACT AND KEEP PEOPLE IN SURREY COUNTY, THE VERY FIRST THING THIS COUNTY NEEDS TO BE WORKING ON IS AFFORDABLE HOMES. WE'VE GOT $20 MILLION IN RESERVE [01:00:01] IN SURY COUNTY. WE JUST APPROVED BORROWING $10 MILLION ON THE FIFTH LOWEST POPULATED COUNTY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON HOMES AND THEN JOBS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. IF I MAY ADD A FORMAL BOX. I CAME, EXCUSE ME IF I MAY ADD A FORM IN THE BOX, BUT I CAN'T, COULD YOU BRING THE FORMAL TO ME? I THANK YOU SIR. YEP. YES SIR. IF ANY OTHER CITIZEN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT THE FORM AND AND HAND IT TO ME. WE'D LET KEEP TRACK OF THIS. THANK YOU, SIR. MM-HMM, FIRST. HE, HE IS FIRST . SIR, YOU'RE OUT. MR. BALDWELL AND MR. WELL, MR. GOD FORGOT. YEAH. YOU HOW SENIOR? YES I AM. I KNOW YOUR SON. I I SAW THE NAME. I WAS LOOKING FOR YOUR SON, . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. DO YOU HAVE A PREPARED MARK? I NO, I DO NOT. OKAY. WE JUST WANT TO, UH, WHOEVER MIGHT BE WATCHING OR LISTENING, UH, WE WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO COME OUT AND VOTE. WE THINK SUR IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE. AND IT COULD BE MORE IF WE CAN HIT 75% VOTER TURNOUT. WE THINK THAT IS AMBITIOUS, BUT IT'S VERY DOABLE. ONE OF THE THINGS, MY OPINION'S ALWAYS BEEN, IT'S, WE'RE SMALL SO WE CAN DO THINGS VERY QUICKLY IF WE PUT OUR MIND TO IT. AND, UM, I ASSUME THAT, UH, WELL YOU ALL RUN FOR OFFICE. YOU LIKE PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND VOTE WHETHER THEY IDENTIFY AS INDEPENDENT, DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN. UM, LET'S, I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT I'M VICE CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE HERE IN SUR COUNTY. AND MR. GODFREY IS THE VICE CHAIR, DEMOCRAT, DEMOCRAT. AND TOGETHER WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE SEEN UNITED IN THIS, THIS SENTIMENT. UH, WE HOPE THAT EVERYBODY BEHIND US AND IN FRONT OF US AND WATCHING, UM, MIGHT BRING ONE PERSON WITH THEM WHO DOESN'T NORMALLY VOTE. UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL WE WANT TO SAY, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS. I'M GLAD YOU SAID IT ALL. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT. YES, WE DO WANT OUR CITIZENS TO COME OUT AND VOTE. THANK YOU SIR. AND WE HAVE DR. SHEA. I START OFF COMMENDING YOU FOR RUNNING AN EFFICIENT MEETING. THANK YOU, SIR. AND ALSO, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SIGNS OF THE APOCALYPSE, BUT I JUST SAW REPUBLICAN DEMOCRATS STAND TOGETHER AND THAT WAS AMAZING. . SO THERE IS HOPE. UM, I'M GONNA BEGIN WITH A QUOTE. AND THE QUOTE IS, YOU, SIR, NO IDEA AS TO WHAT THE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR. THAT'S THE RESPONSE OF A BOARD MEMBER REGARDING $10 MILLION ALLOCATED TO A NEW POOL, AMPHITHEATER AND BANQUET HALL. A BITE. WHAT WILL THE TAXPAYER'S FUNDS BE USED FOR? CITIZENS WERE TOLD, GO TO THE PROPER SOURCE AT THE PROPER TIME AND YOU'LL BECOME KNOWLEDGEABLE. THEY DID ASK THE PROPER SOURCE AT THE PROPER TIME, AND SOME WERE IGNORED. GO TO THE PROPER SOURCE AT THE PROPER TIME AND YOU WILL BECOME KNOWLEDGEABLE. SOUNDS MORE LIKE A BADLY WRITTEN FORTUNE COOKIE THAN A HELPFUL ANSWER. WHAT STEPS WILL YOU TAKE TO OVERCOME ALLEGED CI ALLEGED OR ACTUAL CITIZEN IGNORANCE? WITH THE POWER OF FULL TRANSPARENCY, MELISSA ROLLINS BUDGET AND FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN SEEMS CLEAR ENOUGH. POOL AMPHITHEATER AND BANQUET HALL DEBT FUNDED AT THE $10 MILLION LEVEL. IF THE TAXPAYERS STILL HAVE NO IDEA AS TO WHAT THE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR, ARE SOME SUPERVISORS ALSO IN THE DARK? AS A CITIZEN, I DON'T FEEL CONSISTENTLY REPRESENTED. I'M NOT ALONE IN THAT MANY HEAR VALUE, PEACE AND QUIET IN NATURE AND FISCAL RESTRAINT AND A SIMPLER WAY OF LIFE. THAT'S WHY WE CHOOSE SURREY COUNTY'S HOME. WE DON'T FEEL REPRESENTED WHEN BURDENED WITH DEBT. WE NOTICE WHEN QUESTIONS ARE IGNORED OR ACKNOWLEDGED, BUT NOT ANSWERED. PEOPLE NOTICE WHEN OUR, OUR SURREY AND OUR DRON SUPERVISORS CONSISTENTLY GET OVERRIDDEN. MANY PEOPLE DON'T FEEL REPRESENTED WHEN YOU EMBRACE SOLAR FARMS IN A DATA CENTER IN AMPHITHEATER, ALL ADJACENT TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THEM. WE NOTICE WHEN YOU GET SUED BY CITIZENS WHOSE INTEREST GETS SACRIFICED FOR EXTREME MAKEOVER. SURREY COUNTY EDITION AND 6:00 PM MEETINGS CAN BE CHALLENGING FOR CITIZENS WHO WORK. STARTING AT SIX MAY FAVOR COUNTY STAFF WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY, BUT IT ALSO LIMITS DISSENTING OR DIVERSE VOICES. IF [01:05:01] INCLUSION AND TRANSPARENCY ARE OUR GOALS, FIX THAT. HEALTHY GOVERNMENT RESPECTS THE GOVERNED HEALTHY GOVERNMENT MORE THAN TOLERATES INPUT, IT CELEBRATES DIVERSITY, ACTIVELY LISTENS, ENGAGES, AND SEEKS THE COMMON GOOD ONE OF SILENT CITIZENS WHO MAY BECOME CRITICS HUG YOU HATERS. IF WE'RE IGNORANT, SHINE LIGHT AND STRIVE TO LISTEN, HEAR, AND CONNECT. I HOPE THAT ALL BOARD MEMBERS WILL MODEL SERVANT LEADERSHIP FROM THIS DAY FORWARD. BUT IN SUMMARY, I BELIEVE YOU CITIZENS HAVE NO IDEA AS TO WHAT THE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO OTHER CITIZENS WHO SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL, UH, CLOSE OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. AT THIS TIME, WE [Board Comments] WILL ENTERTAIN COMMENTS FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND WE WILL, UH, ASK MR. JURY TO START. OKAY. UM, THERE ARE TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS EVENING. UM, THE FIRST IS THAT, UM, THE FIRST IS OUR ADOPTED CODE OF ETHICS. THAT WAS, THAT WAS REWRITTEN IN JANUARY AND TAKES AWAY SOME AUTHORITY FROM THE BOARD. UM, IT WAS RECENTLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. 'CAUSE I HAD OBJECTED TO IT IN JANUARY AND WE NEVER GOT BACK TO IT. HOWEVER, IT IS PRETTY MEANINGLESS AS IT RELATES TO ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT WAS RECENTLY USED AS JUSTIFICATION FOR THE BOARD TO STAY OUT OF STAFF AFFAIRS. SPECIFICALLY THE BUDGET, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS AMENDED PRESENTLY, IT STATES THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DELEGATES AUTHORITY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE COUNTY TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITH THE ADVICE AND CONSENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS, THEREFORE, SHALL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS OF THE COUNTY OR THE PROFESSIONAL DUTIES OF SURREY COUNTY STAFF. NOR SHALL THEY IMPAIR THE ABILITY OF STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS POLICY DECISIONS. INQUIRIES TO STAFF SHALL MAY, SHALL BE MADE THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT MANAGER OR DIRECTOR. FOR ME, IT'S LIKE HIRING AN EMPLOYEE, THEN CREATING A POLICY THAT RELINQUISH ANY SUPERVISION OR, OR EVEN QUESTIONING OF THAT EMPLOYEE. EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS NO TEETH, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT REVISED FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. AND SECONDLY, SECONDLY, THIS IS WHAT REALLY IS DISTURBING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHARGES OF RACISM RECENTLY DURING THIS BUDGET SEASON. IT'S NOT CLEAR IF THE CHARGES ARE LEVELED AT BOARD MEMBERS OR CITIZENS, BUT IT'S ONE THAT I TAKE SERIOUSLY. IF INDEED STAFF FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN SUBJECTED TO RACISM, WE NEED TO ROOT IT OUT. THERE IS NO HOME FOR RACISM OF ANY KIND IN SURREY COUNTY. WE ARE WELL PAST THE TIME FOR INTOLERANCE AND MANY CITIZENS TRULY DESIRE THAT. WE, WE TRULY COME TOGETHER AND UNITE. STUDY AFTER STUDY SHOWS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO COMMUNITIES THAT ARE INTEGRATED, TOLERANT, AND INCLUSIVE. COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DIVIDED DON'T GROW AND THEY CERTAINLY DON'T ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE. IF STAFF DOES SINCERELY FEEL THAT THERE ARE TARGETS, THAT THEY ARE TARGETS OF RACISM. IF ANY CITIZEN FEELS THIS WAY, THEN WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DEAL WITH IT. THIS IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BIG ELEPHANT IN OUR SURREY COUNTY ROOM. CONFRONTING IT HEAD ON IN A MATURE, THOUGHTFUL, AND PROGRESSIVE MANNER WITH THE SUPPORT OF OUR BOARD, STAFF AND CITIZENS WILL HELP US DEAL WITH OUR TROUBLED PAST. SO WE MIGHT CREATE A BETTER FUTURE. AND ONLY IF WE GET PAST THIS WILL WE BE, WILL WE BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER TO WORK TOGETHER AS NEIGHBORS AND A COMMUNITY TO BEGIN TO SAVE OUR COUNTY FROM DECLINING POPULATION. CONFRONTING ANY LINGERING RACISM IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN TRULY MAKE SURREY COUNTY A LOVELY PLACE FOR ALL YOUNG PEOPLE TO BUILD THEIR LIVES, RAISE FAMILIES, AND ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF OUR COUNTY. AND THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MR. JURY. MR. HARDY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL BE BRIEF. UH, I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY, UH, CONGRATULATING THE SIR HAS SCHOOL CLASS OF 2024. UM, MANY OF US WERE ABLE TO ATTEND. NEED TO UNLOCK YOUR IPHONE FIRST, SIR, SIR, WHATEVER. ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, MS. ABLE TO ATTEND AND, UM, AND, UH, CONGRATULATE THEM IN PERSON AND, AND SUPPORT. SO IT WAS A, IT WAS A GREAT DAY. UM, LOTS OF MONEY WAS, UH, ANNOUNCED THAT DAY. I'LL, I'LL, UH, I WON'T GET INTO THAT. UM, I ALSO WANNA RECOGNIZE OUR BOYS, UH, BASEBALL [01:10:01] TEAM WHO MADE IT TO THE REGIONALS. UH, THEY HAD A GREAT SEASON, SO IT WAS ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO RECOGNIZE OUR YOUTH 'CAUSE THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY. THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO STAY OR GO UP TO COLLEGE AND COME BACK. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR, UM, LONGEVITY AND, UH, AND THOSE THAT COME BACK AND KEEP THIS COUNTY GOING FORWARD. UM, DEPOPULATION DIDN'T, DIDN'T START YESTERDAY, AND IT WON'T BE FIXED TOMORROW. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA REVERSE A 20 TO 25 YEAR CYCLE AND, UM, THAT'S WHY WE DO SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO. I KNOW MANY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT EVERY TIME I SEE THE YOUTH ENERGETIC AND POSITIVE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SIT IN THIS CHAIR. THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO. AND, UM, I'LL LEAVE THAT AT THAT. UH, THANKS AGAIN FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED WITH, UH, THE HUNTING ORDINANCE. UH, VERY RARELY DO WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS, UNANIMOUS DECISION UP HERE, BUT, UH, WE DO COME TOGETHER AT TIMES, AS YOU ALL CAN SEE. SO, THANKS BOARD, UH, AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED, UH, ESPECIALLY MS. PERKINS FOR HER DUE DILIGENCE. AND I WANT TO FINISH WITH, UM, THE FARMER'S MARKET. UH, PLEASE SUPPORT OUR, OUR LOCAL FARMER'S MARKET. AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING TO THE CITIZENS, I'M TALKING TO THE FARMERS. UH, I THINK THUS FAR WE'VE ONLY HAD SYCAMORE SPRINGS, SO THEY'RE TAKING EVERYBODY'S MONEY. AND I THOUGHT, I KNOW THEY LOVE IT, BUT I THANK, THANK THEM FOR, UM, PARTICIPATING. BUT I, I LOOK ON FACEBOOK AND I SEE ALL TYPES OF OUR FARM. NOW, AGRITOURISM IS A BIG PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO, UM, INVEST IN AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, GET PUBLIC SUPPORT IN. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S COMING OUT TO THE FARMS, BUT WHAT A BETTER WAY TO, UM, SHOWCASE YOUR PRODUCT AND THEN BRING IT RIGHT HERE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTY WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE AND TASTE AND, UM, AND ALSO SUPPORT YOUR BUSINESS. SO, UH, PLEASE COME OUT AND, UH, SUPPORT OUR LOCAL FARMER, OUR LOCAL FARMER'S MARKET. UH, THANKS CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, MR. HARDY. MR. CAHO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SORRY. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE HERE TONIGHT. UM, AND THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING, I APPRECIATE ALL THE UPDATES FROM MR. ROSSI CARROLL, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE TWO STUDIES THAT, THAT, UM, ARE BEING REVIEWED CURRENTLY. UM, WITH THE SPEEDS ON THE, ON THE ROADS, UM, LIKE TO THANK, UM, ALL THOSE INVOLVED WITH THE HUNTING ORDINANCE. AGAIN, MRS. PERKINS AS WELL. UM, AND MR. AKERS, UH, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE WILDLIFE FOR ANSWERING SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS. UM, THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHANDLER AND MR. SHAVE FOR THOSE QUESTIONS. CLEAR UP SOME OF MY CONCERNS AS WELL. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL WITH THAT. UM, APPRECIATE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, ALL THE, UH, FROM, FROM THE FOLKS HERE. UM, I KNOW MR. CHANDLER, I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HOMES AND, UM, TO GET, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE FOR JOBS IN, IN THIS COUNTY TO BUILD UP OUR POPULATION. BACK UP AGAIN. IT DON'T, LIKE, NOT LAST, BUT FIVE FIFTH IS, IS PRETTY LOW. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD AND ALL THE STAFF, UM, FOR THE CONTINUOUS WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR AGAIN, BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KYLE. MR. VICE CHAIR, MR. PIERCE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, I JUST SAY ONE, EXCUSE ME. I JUST WANNA SAY GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE'S PRESENT TONIGHT. UH, GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE IS AT HOME. THANK YOU FOR ALL FOR SUPPORTING US HERE, UH, TONIGHT. UM, NOT GONNA BE LONG. JUST WANT TO PRETTY MUCH GIVE A, UM, A DITTO TO EVERY ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS. UH, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT AND THE VARIOUS INSIGHTS. UM, BUT JUST REAL QUICK, I JUST WANT TO REMIND CITIZENS TO, UH, CHECK OUT THE COUNTY WEBSITE. I WAS JUST ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE PRESENTLY NOW, AND SEEING THE CALENDAR OF ALL THE VARIOUS EVENTS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP, I MEAN, ALL THE WAY UNTIL, UH, OCTOBER. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY INTO OCTOBER TO SEE SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE COMING INTO THE COUNTY. SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, PRIME TIME TO, UH, GET ACTIVE, GET OUT. UM, UM, LIKE MR. HARDY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE SAVVY FARMER'S MARKET. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, UH, ENCOURAGE, UM, OUR CITIZENS TO NOT ONLY COME OUT THERE AND SUPPORT THE VENDORS, BUT ALSO TO COME BE A PART OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, UM, COME OUT WHATEVER SPECIALTY YOU MAY HAVE, WHETHER IT'S GROWING PRODUCE OR BIG GOODS, UM, CRAFTS. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE, MY MARKET MANAGER WILL BE, UM, STILL ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS TO HAVE VARIOUS VENDORS. UM, SO PLEASE, UH, DON'T WAIT. UH, JUST GET OUT THERE AS SOON AS YOU CAN. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, ONE LAST THING. I, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. HARRISON UH, MENTIONED IT, BUT I SAW THAT WE HAVE A FUR FESTIVAL COMING UP. UH, YES. YEAH, SO I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, PRETTY COOL. SO FOR EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T, UH, NO. JUST REMINDING YOU GUYS ON WHAT JUNE? THE, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE CALENDAR ON THE WEBSITE, UH, JUNE, THE, HOLD ON NOW TWO 22ND. OKAY. HERE'S SOMEBODY. THANK YOU, . ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE THOUGH, BUT YEAH, JUNE, ON JUNE 22ND, THEY HAVE A FIRST FESTIVAL RIGHT HERE, ATS COUNTY PARKS [01:15:01] AND REC FIRST ANNUAL. I'M HOPING TO, UH, GET A LOT OF YOUR, UH, YOUR FUR BABY'S OUT THERE TO, UH, I HAVE A GRAND TIME, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. UM, FROM 11 TO AM TO 3:00 PM AND AGAIN, YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE. PLEASE BE SAFE. UH, PLEASE STAY HYDRATED IN THESE, UM, IN THIS WEATHER. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU GUYS, UH, IN, UH, NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PIERCE. I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO SAY DIGITAL TO THE MAJORITY OF THE REMARKS THAT WERE GIVEN BY OUR BOARD MEMBERS. WE DO THANK ALL OF OUR CITIZENS FOR COMING OUT AND, AND SHOWING INTEREST IN, IN THE DIRECTION IN WHICH THE COUNTY IS GOING. UH, AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. UH, DITO TO WHAT MR. HARDY STATED ABOUT S COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL. I ALSO ATTENDED THAT GRADUATION AND THEY DID THE COUNTY PROUD. WE'VE, UH, HAD COMMENTS IN THIS BOARD MEETING AS FAR AS THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE GETTING AT S COUNTY, BUT OUT OF 60 STUDENTS THAT GRADUATING CLASS, THEY RECEIVE $4.6 MILLION IN SCHOLARSHIPS. AND THAT IS HIGHLY COMMENDABLE FOR A CLASS SIZE OF 60. SO WE SALUTE OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS FOR DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB. UH, MR. MR. CHANDLER, I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT ON YOUR REMARKS EXCEPT FOR ONE THING, AND THAT IS, YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S NEEDED TO INCREASE, UH, GROWTH IN THE COUNTY. YOU STATED THAT HOUSING WAS NUMBER ONE. I WANNA REVERSE THAT. I BELIEVE JOBS ARE NUMBER ONE, IF YOU GET JOBS IN THE COUNTY, THEN YOU NEED HOUSING TO, UH, HOUSE THAT PEOPLE WANTS TO, THEY GET A JOB HERE, BUT WE ARE ON THE SAME TRACK. SO I I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. AND DR. SHEA, UH, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, THAT YOU SAID KIND OF TOUCHED ME NEAR AND DEAR, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE BOARD GETS ACCUSED OF NOT BEING TRANSPARENT AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. UH, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN OUR STAFF MEMBERS ARE WORKING, THEY ARE INVI, EXCUSE ME, INVOLVED IN AN NDAA NON-DISCLOSURE, UH, AGREEMENT WITH CORPORATIONS THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE COUNTY. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT WE AS BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF CANNOT GIVE TO THE PUBLIC AS OF THE TIME WHEN THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE, WE WILL BE IN A MEETING SITTING JUST LIKE THIS. WE WILL TAKE A VOTE ON EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AND THE CITIZENS WILL KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. SO WE ARE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY. IT IS THE WAY THINGS WORK. SO PLEASE KNOW, I WILL GIVE MY, UH, COMPLETE, UH, HONESTY TO THE COUNTY AND LET YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE A VOTE HERE AT THIS TABLE BEFORE IT'S DONE. SO PLEASE GET IT OUTTA YOUR MINDSET THAT WE ARE TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT. THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS, AND AT [Additional Item] THIS TIME, WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR, UH, LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR CLOSED SESSION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, YOUR CLOSED, UH, YOUR MOTION REQUIRED TODAY IS TO CONVENE A CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2 37 11 A 0.1 TO DISCUSS ASSIGNMENT OF AN EMPLOYEE OF AN APPOINTEE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND 0.8, CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING A SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTER INVOLVING THE SCHOOLS, REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. AND I WILL NEED A MOTION. AND A SECOND, SIR. BOARD MEMBERS, COULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO ENTER CLOSED SESSION? MR. CHAIR? MR. PIERCE, I MOVE THAT WE MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION. I SECOND. SECOND. PROBABLY MOVE IN SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? VOTING SIGN OF AYE. AYE. WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED TO CLOSED SESSION. ALRIGHT. FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, WE ARE ABOUT TO, UH, RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION AND WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO LEGAL STAFF. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. YOUR RESOLUTION CERTIFYING CLOSED SESSION FOR THIS EVENING, WHEREAS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY HAS CONVENED A CLOSED SESSION ON THIS DATE PURSUANT TO AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. AND WHEREAS SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 12 SUBSECTION D OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY, THAT SUCH CLOSED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED IN CONFORMITY WITH VIRGINIA LAW. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY HEREBY CERTIFIES THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE, ONE ONLY BUSINESS ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS. LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY VIRGINIA LAW WERE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED SESSION TO WHICH THE CERTIFICATION RESOLUTION APPLIES. AND TWO, ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING. THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS [01:20:01] OF SURREY COUNTY. AND I WILL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A ROLL CALL VOTE. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. PROPERLY MOVE. SECOND. ROLL CALL. VOTE. MR. DREWRY? YES, I APPROVE. MR. HARDY? YES. MR. CALHOUN? YES. MR. PIERCE? YES. AND MY VOTE IS YES. BOARD MEMBERS, WE ARE BACK NOW IN OPEN SESSION AND THE CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON OUR CLOSED SESSION. UH, OUR CLOSED SESSION, MR. CHAIR. MR. PIERCE, I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE AND DIRECT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES TO THE S COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD FOR THE LIMITED PURPOSE OF ASSISTING THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE RESOLUTION OF ISSUES PERTAINING TO THE SCHOOL BUS ACCIDENT THAT OCCURRED ON MARCH 15TH, 2024. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. PIERCE. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. BEEN PROPERLY MOVING SECOND BY MR. CALHOUN. ALL IN FAVOR? LET IT BE, UH, KNOWN BY THE VOTING SIGN OF AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THEY ARE NONE OPPOSED. MOTION IS CARRIED. UH, BOARD MEMBERS, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I NEED YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR CALENDARS FOR OUR JULY MEETING. OUR JULY MEETING IS ACTUALLY SCHEDULED FOR THE 4TH OF JULY, AND, UH, THE FOLLOWING WEEK WE WILL BE AT, UH, THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE NACO CONFERENCES THE FOLLOWING WEEK. SO I'M ASKING IF IT IS FEASIBLE FOR ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WITH YOUR SCHEDULED THAT WE COULD MEET, UH, THAT TUESDAY INSTEAD OF THAT THURSDAY, WHICH WILL BE JULY THE SECOND. WE COULD RESCHEDULE OUR JULY MEETING FOR THE SECOND INSTEAD OF, UH, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE GONE THAT, THAT FOLLOWING WEEK AND WE WOULD BE TAKING THE, THE, OUR REGULAR MEETING OUT TO TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM THIS ORIGINAL SCHEDULE. SO CAN WE AMEND OUR CALENDARS TO HAVE OUR REGULAR MEETING ON THE, ON THE SECOND? I BELIEVE I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE MY DAYTIME ON. OKAY. YOU HAVE A SECOND. I'M YOU GOOD MR. COROLL? GOOD. MR. HARDY? YES SIR. MR. PIERCE? I'M GOOD. YOU NEED A MOTION OR, I'M GETTING READY TO DO IT NOW. OKAY. I COOL. BOARD MEMBERS, WE ARE ADJOURN UNTIL JULY THE SECOND FOR SIX O'CLOCK FOR OUR REGULAR AMENDED REG, NOT OUR REGULAR AMENDED, UH, CALENDAR MEETING, WHICH WILL BE POSTED TO THE PUBLIC. WE A ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.