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[Planning Commission on September 23, 2024.]
EVERYONE.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS, UH, SEPTEMBER THE 23RD.
PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, I'D ASK THAT WE ALL STAND IN THE, BUT THE, PRETTY MUCH DUE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC OF WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVIDUAL THE LIBERTY OF JUSTICE.
AND MR. SOER, WHO WILL NOT BE HERE.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT AGENDA IS THE ADOPTION OF THE MEETING AGENDA.
MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT A MEETING AGENDA AS PRINTED SECOND, THEN PROPERLY MOVED IS SECOND.
THEN WE ADOPT THE, UH, MEETING AGENDA AS PRE AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN, FAVORING BY THE SAME, AYE.
UH, NEXT THING IS, UH, UM, CONSENT ITEMS, THE, UH, DISPOSITION OF THE MINUTES.
AND, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY GOT A, UH, REVISED, UM, PROVISION OF THE AUGUST THE 26TH ONE.
FIRST, UH, ANY NOTED CORRECTIONS OF THAT? IF, UH, NOT I TAKE A MOTION.
ALRIGHT, SO THE, AT THIS TIME, THE JANUARY 29TH MINUTES ARE NOT READY AT THIS TIME.
SO WE, IF WE CAN DO, INCLUDING THE MOTION FOR THAT TO DEFER.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GET A MOTION TO DEFER THOSE MINUTES IN, IN MAY 20TH AND AUGUST THE 26TH ARE ALREADY, WE, AND WE DID RECEIVE SOME, UM, NOTED, UH, ITEMS FROM MS. CHEEK AND WE HAVE MADE CORRECTIONS TO ALL, BUT, BUT ONE AREA, I'M SORRY, WE DID MAKE CORRECTIONS TO ALL AREAS, BUT WE HAD TO REVISE, UM, ONE, ONE PORTION OF THAT SO THAT EVERYTHING IS, EVERYTHING IS READY FOR THE OTHER TWO SETS OF MINUTES.
OKAY? DO YOU NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS OF ONE MOTION? I THINK YOU HAVE ONE MOTION TO DEFER THE JANUARY 29TH AND, UH, INCLUDE WITHIN THAT MOTION TO APPROVE MAY 20TH AND AUGUST 26TH.
MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 29TH, 2024, AND ACCEPT THE MAY 20 AND AUGUST 26TH, 2024 MINUTES WITH THE NOTED CORRECTIONS.
SECOND, PROBABLY MOVE TO SECOND THAT WE'D BE, UM, DEFER THE JANUARY 29TH, 2024 MINUTES AND APPROVE THE, UM, MAY 20TH, 2024 AND AUGUST 26TH, 2024 WITH THE NOTED CORRECTIONS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SINGLE BY SAYING AYE.
THE NEXT THING I HAVE, UM, EXCUSE ME, I DIDN'T SAY, AYE.
I, I, ALRIGHT, I'M AFRAID I CAN'T AGREE WITH WHAT'S WRITTEN THAT I SAID IN, UM, THE AUGUST MEETING.
WHAT PORTION? UM, PAGE EIGHT, MS. CHEEK.
UM, I'M GONNA STEP ASIDE FOR A SECOND.
I'M GONNA HAND YOU THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THAT AND LET YOU READ THAT FOR YOURSELF.
SO I, I MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING THAT I'M, I'M SURE THAT YOU GOT IT FROM THE TRANSCRIPT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S NOT ACCURATE OF WHAT I INTENDED TO SAY, BUT I GUESS SO IF IT'S IN THE TRANSCRIPT, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WAS ONE THE TRANSCRIPT.
UM, WE SUMMARIZED WHAT YOU STATED INSTEAD OF THE FULL PARAGRAPH OF WHAT STATED, WE SUMMARIZE IT, IT DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT DOMINION ENERGY AT ALL.
YOU MIGHT HAVE IN, YOU MIGHT HAVE INFERRED THAT YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT INFERENCE, WE, I DID NOT CATCH UP INFERENCE ABOUT DOMINION ENERGY AT ALL.
SO IT SAYS, UM, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF TRANSMISSION LINES THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH OR MUST BE ADDED BECAUSE
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THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.I GUESS THAT, THAT IS MUCH BETTER THAN ME SAYING THAT TRANSMISSION LINES ARE ABUNDANT.
I APPRECIATE YOU A LET ME ASK ABOUT THIS.
I'LL SAY AYE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES ALSO.
OKAY, SO THE MINUTES, THANK YOU, HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
UM, I WILL ASK, ARE THERE ANY, UH, UM, OPPOSED TO THE MINUTES OR TO THE MOTION HEARING NONE THE MINUTES APPROVED.
THE NEXT THING IS, UH, UM, WHOLE BUSINESS DRAFT, SOLE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
UM, I, UH, WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO BRING FORTH THE ORDINANCE AND PRI PRIOR, PRIOR TO BRINGING FORTH THAT ORDINANCE.
UM, UM, JUST THE, THE, THE ADDED ELEMENTS TO THAT ONE WAS THE, UM, THE DISTRIBUTED SOLAR, IF YOU WANT ME TO REVIEW THAT.
THE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT THAT WERE DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST TIME, AND I THINK MS. CHEEK HAS SOME, SOME QUESTIONS OR MAYBE NOT SOME QUESTIONS, BUT CONCERNS THAT SHE WANTED TO BRING UP TOO.
SO WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE BEFORE SENDING IT TO ORDINANCE, UH, ORDINANCE, UM, FOR THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE CAN, IF WE NEED TO AMEND IT, IF YOU CAN AMEND THE TEXT PRIOR TO BLESS YOU.
PRIOR TO GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, LET ME SEE, FOR YOUR DIS FOR YOUR DISTRIBUTED SOLAR, IT WAS TAKEN FROM SOLAR FARMS THAT ARE, THAT YOUR PREVIOUS AREA FOR DISTRIBUTED SOLAR WAS, UH, PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH SOLAR FARMS. THAT LANGUAGE IS TAKEN OUT OF THAT AND ADDED ON TO, UH, DISTRIBUTED SOLAR.
THAT'S PAGE WHAT, UM, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY IN PAGE, ALL PAGE, LAST PAGE, PAGE 20, PAGE 20, UM, WE ADDED, WE, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ADDED ALL THE DIFFERENT USES.
SO, UM, AND YOUR M1 DISTRICT, YOUR, YOUR PERMITTED USES WILL BE ADDED.
IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE MORE CLEAR WHEN WE ACTUALLY WRITE THE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS, THIS IS A, A VERY MUCH A DRAFT STATE.
SO WHEN WE DRAFT THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE FOR YOUR REVIEW, IT WILL, IT WILL HAVE SOME CLEAN ITEMS AND ALSO SOME ELEMENTS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
BUT THOSE ELEMENTS WOULD BE, UM, FROM THE M1 DISTRICTS AND THE M TWO DISTRICTS.
UM, YOU WOULD SEE ACTUALLY ON PAGE NUMBER 20, UM, UNDER, UNDER, UM, CIVIC USES FOR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT THAT SHOULD READ MM TWO.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS CIVIC USES, UM, REQUIRING M1 AND M TWO CONDITIONAL USES, PERMITS REQUIRED FOR COMMUNITY SCALE, SOLAR FACILITY, ENERGY FACILITY, AND UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ENERGY FACILITY.
SO THOSE TWO USES CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO NOW, BUT THEY'RE, WE'RE NOW CHANGING IT TO A DIFFERENT SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE AND INCORPORATED WITH THE REST OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
AS BEFORE, IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF OUR, OF OUR, OF OUR GENERAL ORDINANCE CALLED UNDER ENVIRONMENT SOLAR ENERGY ORDINANCE.
NOW WE'RE HAVING A DIFFERENT SECTION AND IT WILL BE, UH, CLASSIFIED.
THESE TWO USES WILL NOW BE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT USES, UM, AS DEFINED AS AN ORDINANCE.
UM, ALSO WE HAVE PLACED, UM, DISTRIBUTED SOLAR AS A, AN ACCESSORY USE.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT USED IS FOR, UM, IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOLAR.
OR IF YOU HAVE, UM, A BUSINESS OR INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE USING IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR BUSINESS, IT'S FOR YOUR BUSINESS NOT BEING SENT OUT LIKE A UTILITY SCALE SOLAR.
AND THE INFORMATION THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN THERE UNDER, UH, THE NEW TEXT, THE NEW RED TEXT THERE UNDER 2 0 4 4 IS NOT NEW TEXTS.
IT IS NEW TO THIS SECTION, BUT IT IS NOT NEW TO OUR, TO SURREY COUNTY BECAUSE THIS, THIS LANGUAGE ALREADY EXISTS.
SO WE'RE JUST PLACING IT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE OF, IN SURREY ORDINANCE, WHICH IS UNDER NOW UNDER ZONING ORDINANCE AS AN ACCESSORY USE FOR DISTRIBUTED SOLAR.
SO THAT, THOSE ARE THE NEW THINGS.
NOW, I THINK MS. CHEEK, YOU HAD, SHE MAY HAVE HAD SOME, SOME QUESTIONS AND I WANNA, I WANNA SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS
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ONE OF THOSE, I THINK WAS THE WORD FOREST OIL.YEAH, WE, WE, WE CAN SHOW, I FIGURED THAT WAS JUST THE OVERSIGHT.
THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUICK FIX.
I THINK YOUR, YOUR FIRST PAGE RIGHT THERE WOULD BE, I THINK FOREST STORE LANDS.
BUT I THINK THE MORE, UM, CONVERSIVE TOPIC WOULD BE DISCUSSING, I GUESS DECOMMISSIONING, UM, THE, THE TIMING OF DECOMMISSIONING, UH, I THINK UNDER THIS CODE SECTION THAT WE HAVE DRAFTED IN FRONT OF YOU, IT SAYS 12 MONTHS.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR LESS TIME.
UM, I THINK MAYBE IT WAS SIX MONTHS.
AND I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE ASKED MS. PERKINS TO ADD, TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS LEGALLY.
I THINK SHE MIGHT, SHE PROBABLY HAS AN ANSWER.
I THINK SHE DOES HAVE AN ANSWER TO ADDRESS THAT, IF WE CAN DO THAT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE ZONING SUBCOMMITTEE HAD HAD ASKED ME WHETHER, UM, THERE WERE ANY LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WHETHER THAT 12 MONTHS WAS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
AND I DID LOOK AT THE VIRGINIA CODE.
AND THE VIRGINIA CODE DOESN'T DICTATE, UM, IN 12 MONTHS, SIX MONTHS.
SO THAT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AT 12 MONTHS, KEEP IT AT 12 MONTHS, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, AMEND THAT, WE CAN, THERE'S NO IMPEDIMENT UNDER THE CODE, UH, NO RESTRICTION I SHOULD SAY, UNDER THE CODE THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO MAKE THAT CHANGE IF THAT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.
CAN, UM, YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE WANTED TO GO TO THE, UM, AS THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE, TO LIKE SIX MONTHS? YES.
BECAUSE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE 12 MONTH, THEN THAT WAS A BIG, UH, IT ALMOST TOOK A LONG TIME TO, TO GET IT TO WORK, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND YOU KNOW, WE GIVE 'EM 12 MONTHS AND THEN WE HAD TO NOTIFY 'EM OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO IT COULD BE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE THEY STARTED TO DO SOMETHING.
SO, UM, UM, MR. CHAIR, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT, UM, TAKING, TAKING OUT A BOND AND HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER OF SECURITY.
AND THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT, IN MY EXPERIENCE, UM, WHEN YOU CALL A BOND, IT, YOU DON'T GET THAT MONEY.
THE, THE NEXT WEEK IT'S USUALLY A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS.
SO EVEN IF WE ARE AT A POINT, LET'S SAY WE DO 12 MONTHS AND AT 12 MONTHS, UM, WE, WE DECIDE TO CALL THE BOND, UH, WHICH IS A TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THAT MONEY FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AFTERWARDS.
SO IF WE LESSEN THE TIMETABLE DOWN TO, LET'S SAY SIX MONTHS, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN WE COULD CALL THE BOND QUICKER AND WE COULD GET THE MONEY QUICKER.
SO I BELIEVE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS THAT CHALLENGE TO, TO BEING ABLE TO GET THE MONEY.
IF WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO CALL THE BOND, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD NOT BE IN THAT SITUATION.
BUT IF WE WERE, WE WOULD HAVE THAT, THAT OPTION AVAILABLE TO US.
UM, AND THEN MY NOTES FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, IN CASE THIS IS HELPFUL ON CHANGING FROM, FROM 12 MONTHS DOWN TO SIX MONTHS, UM, WE ALSO, THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT NOT PRODUCING, NOT PRODUCING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ENERGY.
I BELIEVE IT WAS 10% OF ENERGY, UM, FOR, FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MONTHS.
AND THE QUESTION THAT, THAT WE WALKED OUT OF THAT, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING HAVING IS HOW WOULD WE EVEN KNOW IF THEY WEREN'T PRODUCING A CERTAIN, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF POWER.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WISH TO WISH TO DISCUSS FURTHER AS PART OF THE FULL COMMISSION.
WELL, I THINK THE CONCERN WAS IS IF THEY'RE, AND IT REALLY GOES BACK TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE PAYING THE COUNTY.
IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE PRODUCING LESS AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY, WE SHOULD KNOW THAT.
BUT IF THEY WANT TO SAY THAT WE ARE, WE'RE NOT PAYING THE COUNTY TAX REVENUE BECAUSE WE'RE PRODUCING LESS AMOUNT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING TO, I GUESS WE GET INVOLVED IN IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT IT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO, HOW DO WE KNOW OR IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DO SOME, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE DOING AS LONG AS THE COUNTY GETS THEIR TAX REVENUE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ARE AFTER.
BUT I'M THINKING IF THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT PRODUCING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE, YOU KNOW, 350 MEGAWATTS, THEN WE SHOULD KNOW THE
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COUNTY X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR THE FULL AMOUNT.AND SO IS DO WE NEED SOMETHING IN THIS ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU GOT THE I DO PUZZLE LOOK ON MR.
I I LISTEN TO YOU INTENTLY THAT AND, UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, TO PROTECT THE COUNTY.
AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, IN OUR ORDINANCE TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU PAY LESS REVENUE BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE PAYING, YOU'RE GENERATING LESS AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY, THEN, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE FULL AMOUNT, WE DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE DOING ONE PER ONE MEGAWATT OR 350 MEGAWATTS.
AND I, I THINK ONE WAY THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IS THROUGH THE CITING AGREEMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A A, SOME CITING AGREEMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN, IT'S NOT JUST THE TAX REVENUE, BUT IT'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL, A LUMP SUM PAYMENT THAT'S MADE TO THE COUNTY.
SO PERHAPS THAT'S HOW IT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
UM, I DON'T, UM, I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY SEEN THAT ADDRESSED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. WADE HAS, UH, BUT I, I, I THINK I, THE CONCERN IS ABSOLUTELY VALID.
AND, UM, A AGAIN, I THINK WE ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE CITING AGREEMENT VERSUS THROUGH OUR ORDINANCE.
THAT'S, SO IT'S GOT IN THREE A, IT SAYS THAT THE F SO WE WERE JUST SAYING IF FACILITY CEASES TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY FOR MORE THAN 12 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, AND UM, UH, UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN I DREW UP MY QUESTIONS AND, UH, REASONS, IT WAS FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS AND THEN MAYBE IT WAS IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE KICKED IT UP TO SIX.
SO IT'S THE, IS THE REAL QUESTION TODAY.
HOW MANY MONTHS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REAL AMOUNT OF MONTHS.
ARE WE LOOKING AT 3, 6, 12? YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST A, JUST, I THINK IT'S UP FOR CONVERSATION FOR SURE.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE SECOND COMMITTEE BROUGHT SOME VERY VALID POINTS OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF IF A PROJECT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA DE IT'S GONNA DECOMMISSION, IT'S GONNA TAKE HOW MANY, HOW MANY ADDITIONAL MONTHS TO ACTUALLY GET ANYTHING DONE.
SO IF THAT'S THE CONCERN OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION IS MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET TO A PROJECT OR MAKE SURE WE CLEAN UP OR DECOMMISSION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OTHER LANGUAGE IN THERE DUE DUE TO THE ACT OF ACTIVE ACTS OF GOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT TOO, RIGHT? JUST IN, I THINK WE JUST HAD SOME THOUGHTS OF IF THERE WAS A STORM THAT KIND OF REQUIRED THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE PROJECT TO SHUT DOWN FOR A WHILE FOR A FIRE.
AND WE KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP WHAT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS, BUT ALSO WORK FLEXIBLY WITH THE, WITH THE OWNER TO, TO FIX SOME THINGS.
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT PIECE.
MAYBE MYSELF AND MS. PERKINS CAN LOOK INTO THAT PIECE.
SO MAYBE SAYING SIX MONTHS, BUT HAVE A CAVEAT IN THERE ABOUT ACTS OF GOD.
SO SOMETIMES SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, WHAT THE COMMISSION THINKS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO.
MS. WADE, JUST FOR MY CLARITY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INACTIVITY DURING THE LIFESPAN OF A PROJECT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING AT THE END OF A, LET'S SAY A 25 YEAR PROJECT OR BOTH? I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SITU BOTH SITUATIONS.
SO LIKE INTERMITTENTLY, LIKE IF, IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR PROJECT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, LIGHTNING STRIKES OR SOME, SOME HAILSTORM HITS AND, AND IT, AND IT HAPPENS.
AND ALL OF THESE PANELS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 200 ACRES ARE DAMAGED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSIDERED INOPERABLE.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE? UH, TECHNICALLY THEY'RE NOT PRODUCING ANYTHING, RIGHT? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE, YOU KNOW, ONE, HAVE A FLEXIBILITY? SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT INOPERABLE ONE TOO.
IF YOU JUST HAVE THINGS JUST LAYING OUT THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S, I THINK THAT MS. CHEEK BROUGHT UP THAT SAID, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THOSE THINGS THAT ARE, IF YOU'RE LEAVING ON THE PROPERTY, WE ADDRESS THOSE.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE JUST OUT THERE, THEY'RE NOT BEING USED, THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY ACTIVITY WITH IT.
BUT WE NEED, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT EVEN AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD, YOU HAVE TO STILL DO SOMETHING.
YOU MAY HAVE SIX MONTHS TO DECOMMISSION, BUT IF YOU HAVE THIS ACTIVE GUY, MAYBE GIVE, MAYBE YOU GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING BEFORE MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL FEEL, BUT I DO FEEL AS THOUGH THERE SHOULD BE SOME LEVEL OF COMPASSION FOR SOMEBODY GOING THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I HATE TO USE THE WORD COMPASSION 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR LAND ORDINANCES, BUT WE, WE DO, WE DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN.
IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS ROLLING AROUND.
YOU HAVE INSURANCE PAYMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TOO, THAT WE, WE KNOW ABOUT.
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MAY, MAYBE SIX MONTHS AND YOU END UP AT THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD ANYWAY, BY THE TIME YOU GET SOMEBODY ALLOWANCE OF SIX MONTHS BECAUSE OF SOME, SOME ACT OF, UH, EXTRA SIX MONTHS.SO MAYBE SOMETHING I'M JUST THROWING OUT DATES I THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA PUT THOSE IN YOUR MOUTH OR, BUT JUST THERE'S, THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS.
I JUST, LIKE I SAID, MY CLARITY WAS FOR, YOU KNOW, IF A PROJECT HAS COME TO THE COUNTY, AND LET'S SAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO LAST FOR 30 YEARS.
SO I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT NOW GOING FROM 12 MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS, GIVING THEM A SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME TO DECOMMISSION DOING SOMETHING, OR WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE END OF THE 30 YEAR PROJECT.
AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DECOMMISSIONED AND WE GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS INSTEAD OF 12 MONTHS.
SO I'M, I'M HEARING IT'S THE FIRST ONE, NOT THE SECOND ONE.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK 'CAUSE IF, IF, YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE, LIKE YOU SAID, IF IT'S INTENTS TO BE A 30 YEAR PROJECT MM-HMM.
BUT THE AFTER 12 YEARS, THEY'RE NO LONGER USING IT.
SO THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD GO DECOMMISSION BASED UPON WHAT OUR TAX FINES HERE.
COULD, COULD IT BE A 30 YEAR PROJECT? YOU COULD SET ALL THE PLANS IN PLACE, BUT IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, YOU STILL NEED TO GO HIT, HIT AND DO HIT DE UH, AND DECOMMISSION.
SO, UM, WHAT, WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT IT TO BE SIX ON THE 30 YEAR PROJECT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I I DID, I DIDN'T SAY THAT I HAD, OH, I'M MISSING, I JUST, I WAS ASKING BECAUSE I WASN'T PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, DECOMMISSIONING AFTER THE END, AFTER THE END OF A PROJECT, RIGHT? OR WERE WE SIMPLY TRYING TO SAFEGUARD THE COUNTY IF A PROJECT WAS UP AND RUNNING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, LET'S SAY THE COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT.
AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CONTINUE TO, TO FUND OR OPERATE THE PROJECT, BUT WE SPEAKING PRIMARILY OF DECOMMISSIONING AND GIVING THEM A TIMEFRAME IN THAT SCENARIO VERSUS THE END OF A THAT'S BOTH IT, BOTH OF BOTH? IT'S BOTH.
IT'S ANY TIME IT DOESN'T, WOULDN'T OPERATE.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR SEEING THAT ONCE AGAIN.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE, TO THE SIX MONTHS.
I, I DIDN'T I MISUNDERSTOOD THIS.
I WAS, I WAS READING, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE REVENUE SHARING AND STUFF, WHAT IT WOULD PAY TO THE COUNTY AND WHAT I READ UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE, IT SAYS IT PAYS ON NAME PLATE CAPACITY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S PRODUCING 10 MEGAWATTS, IF THE NAME PLATE IS 250 OR 300, IT'S GOING TO PAY ON THAT NO MATTER WHAT IS PRODUCING.
IS THE WAY I READ IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MATTERS OR NOT, BUT, UH, AND ISSUES, THE PAYMENTS USUALLY COME FROM AT THIS POINT IN, IN A SITE AGREEMENT.
'CAUSE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO A SITE AGREEMENTS NOW.
SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW, I MEAN, YOU, YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DO M AND T, BUT I THINK FOR NOW THE, THE COUNTY BASICALLY GO WHAT THEY'RE DOING A SIGNED AGREEMENT AS WELL.
SO I, I SEE, I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I WOULD SEE MORE OF A REASON FOR THEM TO QUIT PRODUCING, YOU KNOW, THEN AN EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY.
SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY COMES OUT IN TWO YEARS THAT THEY JUST SAY, FORGET THAT WE CAN DO THIS AND WE CAN MAKE THREE TIMES THE MONEY WE'RE DOING AND THEY JUST ABANDON IT AND WALK OFF.
SO IF WE LET IT SIT THERE FOR A YEAR, ISN'T THAT GOING TO BE MORE, UH, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE FOUND OUT WE'RE THE DECOMMISSIONING AGENT ON SOME OF 'EM, THEN THAT'S MORE MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, THAT COSTS MORE TO DECOMMISSION IT AFTER IT'S GROWN UP AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO VALUE TO THE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF GOING BACK TO SIX MONTHS VERSUS A YEAR.
I MEAN, SIX MONTHS, THEY GOT A BIG, THAT'S A BIG NUT.
IF IT'S OUT THERE, IT'S NOT MAKING MONEY AND THEY'VE WALKED AWAY AFTER THREE MONTHS, THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK.
I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS I THINK IS A LOT MORE REASONABLE THAN A YEAR RATHER THAN JUST SITTING THERE.
SO IS, UM, I GUESS EVERYONE IN FAVOR HERE FOR THE, THE, THE SIX MONTHS.
I, I THINK IN THEIR SECTIONS RIGHT HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT SECTION, WHAT IS THAT E ONE PAGE NUMBER AND UH, LOOKING AT PAGE NUMBER 1717, AND I THINK YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE WERE A COUPLE AREAS HERE.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING, YOU, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY LOOKING TO MATCH NUMBER, NUMBER BY NUMBER 17, MATCH NUMBER ONE ON PAGE 17 AT THE BOTTOM WITH, WITH THREE, WITH THREE A TO SAY SIX, SIX CONSECUTIVE MONTHS.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD, WE CAN LOOK TO,
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TO CHANGE THAT FROM 12 MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS.SO ANY OTHER, UM, WOULD YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT ALL, SIR? MR. WADE? ON 18 DOWN AT THE BOTTOM ON THREE A? YES.
P OH, NUMBER ONE AND THREE A AND THREE, YES, I AM SORRY, MR. WAITER, MAYBE ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT 12 WITHIN 12 MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS ON ONE UNDER DECOMMISSIONING? DID I GET, I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT ONE.
THE SAME SIX ON PAGE ONE AND SIX ON PAGE, UH, FOR NUMBER ONE AND SIX ON NUMBER FOR NUMBER THREE A.
DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? SO I I IT SAYS THE PROJECT SHALL BE DECOMMISSIONED REMOVED WITHIN, WITHIN 12 MONTHS.
UM, WHICH IS, SO I GUESS, SO WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
UM, I GUESS ON THREE A, IT'S SAYING WHEN WE'RE GOING TO, IF IT'S NOT GENERATING ELECTRICITY FOR, UM, MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, THEN WE'RE GONNA START DECOMMISSIONING.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THREE A TELLS US.
AND THEN ONE TELLS US THAT THE PROJECT SHALL BE DECONSTRUCTED AND REMOVED WITHIN.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM REMOVE IT ALL WITHIN SIX MONTHS ALSO.
HAVE EVERYTHING MATCH UP? YES, MA'AM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD
ANY OTHER? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE HAD FOR THAT.
SO, SO DOES THIS GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEXT MEETING? YOUR NO, NO, NO.
THE WHAT WHAT WHAT THIS WOULD BE WOULD BE A MOTION TO BRING THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT, UM, BASED ON, BASED ON, UM, STATE CODE AS WELL AS THE COUNTY CODE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE DO A MOTION TO HAVE A ORDINANCE BROUGHT FORWARD, UM, FOR IT TO GO BEFORE THE PUTTING COMMISSION.
AND THEN AFTER YOU ALL HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, THEY WOULD GO TO THE BOARD FOR THE FINAL HEARING.
SO I GUESS, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO BRING FORTH, AND WE DO HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN FRONT OF YOU.
OH, FOR SOME, FOR SOMEONE WHO, WHO CHOOSE TO, TO, TO BE NAMED, I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
I STARTED
I MAKE A MOTION THAT PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE REQUIRE THAT AMENDMENTS TO THE SURREY COUNTY SOLAR ENERGY ORDINANCE AND THE SURREY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE BE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION AND SUCH ACTION ON SUCH AMENDMENTS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND, IT IS BEEN PROPERLY, UH, MOVED.
AND SECOND THAT THE, SO ORDINANCE AMENDMENT MOTION TO BRING FORTH, UM, VIA, UM, APPROVED I'D ASK FOR A ROLL CALL.
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THE, UH, NEW BUSINESS AND THE EVENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.UM, THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, PROPOSED FOR YOU TONIGHT IS THE EVENT CENTER.
UM, IT, THIS CAME UP AS, AS A INQUIRY FROM A, A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OWNER FOR TO DO AN, AN, AN AN ACTUAL EVENT CENTER.
UM, AS WE STRUCK THROUGH AND WENT THROUGH OUR ORDINANCES, WE STRUCK OUT EACH TIME LOOKING FOR A CATEGORY TO PLACE IT.
UM, UH, IT, IT, AND IT WASN'T AT THE TIME, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH AN AGRICULTURAL TYPE OF BUSINESS.
MOST OF, MOST OF THE, UM, USES IN THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF USES, THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AGRICULTURAL AGRITOURISM ACRO TYPE BUSINESS.
OR THEY MAY BE INVOLVED WITH LIKE A CLUB AS FAR AS LIKE WITH THE RUAN OR, OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF CLUB.
AND SO, DEFINE A USE THAT DOES NOT HAVE THESE, UM, USES IS, WELL, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME, WE'RE PRESENTING THIS ACTUAL USE, UM, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ULTIMATELY THE BOARD SUPERVISORS AS AN, AN EVENT CENTER.
UM, THE USE AS A MULTI-PURPOSE FACILITY WITH FLEXIBLE INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACE, TYPICALLY USED FOR ACTIVITIES SUCH AS WEDDINGS, CONVENTIONS, JOB MEETINGS, JOB FAIRS AND TRADE STORES.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME OTHER, AND THERE WERE PROBABLY SOME OTHER TEXTS, UH, THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN THERE TOO.
BUT, UM, MS. MS. BURKINS AND I WILL WORK THROUGH THAT.
BUT THERE'S, BUT THIS IS MEANT TO BE A PLACE FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SPACE.
THE, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE HAS, UM, OUTDOOR GATHERINGS AS A USE.
HOWEVER, THIS IS, THIS WOULD NOT ADDRESS OUTDOOR GATHERING.
THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD ONLY ADDRESS AN EVENT CENTER.
I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WAS ANOTHER TERM.
AND, AND, AND THEY WOULD CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THERE TO BE INCLUDED.
INCLUDED, BUT NOT LIMITED TO WEDDINGS, CONVENTION MEETINGS, JOB FAIRS, AND TRADE SHOWS.
UM, FOR THAT, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THOSE USES ARE IN FOUR DIFFERENT DISTRICTS BY, RIGHT.
THOSE DISTRICTS WOULD BE IN B ONE DISTRICT AND THE BD AND THE B TWO DISTRICTS.
AND BY CONDITIONAL USE THERE WOULD BE IN THE AL THE AGRICULTURAL LIMITED DISTRICT AND THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, MANY OF THE OTHER USES THAT ARE IN THE AL AND AR DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE IN WITHIN THE, UM, BUS B ONE AND B TWO USES, UH, UM, DISTRICTS.
SO, UH, IS WITH YOU TONIGHT THAT WE ASK THAT YOU BRING FORTH THIS ORDINANCE AND WE'LL DRAFT THE ORDINANCE UP, UM, TO PLACE ON THE DOCKET.
UM, BUT WE FEEL AS THOUGH THIS WILL ALLOW OUR APPLICANTS TO MOVE FORWARD, TO BRING FORTH A PROJECT TO THE COUNTY, UM, FOR THEM TO BE HEARD.
AND, UM, THE PROJECT WILL MORE LIKELY BE ON A, UH, AR IS THERE PROPERTY.
SO WE STILL HAVE BE COMING BEFORE YOU AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT THIS TIME.
SO WE STILL HAVE A WAY TO EVALUATE THAT PARTICULAR USE.
UM, AND IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEM.
UH, ENTERTAIN A, UH, A MOTION TO BRING FORTH THE CENTER AMENDMENT, MR. CHAIR, IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 8 6, PARAGRAPH A SEVEN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE REQUIRE THAT AMENDMENTS TO THE SURREY COUNTY ZONING OR ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO A NEW USE EVENT CENTER, BE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND ACTION ON SUCH AMENDMENTS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED A SECOND THAT THE MOTION TO BRING FORTH THE, UH, DEFENSE CENTER AMENDMENT.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SINGLE ABOUT SAYING AYE.
SO THE NEXT THING IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'D ASK, UH, IF ANYBODY WOULD, UH, SPEAK, COME FORWARD AND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND THE, UH, DISTRICT YOU'RE IN.
JUST, AND FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE, SINCE WE DID A ROLL CALL FOR THE LAST VOTE, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL FOR THIS? VOTE FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE.
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YES.AND THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDAS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, AGAIN, I ASK FOR ANYBODY IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT UNION HEARING NONE, UM, COMMITTEE UPDATES.
MR. WADE? I THINK THE ONLY COMMITTEES WE'VE HAD DOING UPDATES HAVE BEEN DOING WORK.
TODAY WAS WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR ZONING.
UM, SO KEEP DOING YOUR GOOD WORK.
YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS, YOUR WORK IS, IS NOTICEABLE.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE UNLESS SOME, SOMEONE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING.
BUT I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK.
THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS ONE WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST SIM PROBABLY A SIMPLE RIGHT SIMPLE, PROBABLY A SIMPLE USE.
I THINK WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE YOU INVOLVE A LOT OF STAFF TIME WHERE, OR STAFF TIME AND PUTTING COMMISSION TIME AND YOU REALLY NEED TO DELVE, DELVE, DO A DEEP DIVE, YOUR SOLAR ORDINANCES AND SOME OF THE MORE COMPLICATED ORDINANCES REQUIRE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND EFFORT IN GOING THROUGH THEM.
'CAUSE YOU ULTIMATELY, YOU, YOU COME OUT OF THESE MEETINGS, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING.
AND I FEEL LIKE THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, EACH MEETING, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PROGRESSED OUT OF THERE.
FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING AND COME OUTTA THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU HAVE FELT LIKE YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING.
SO I DO FEEL AS THOUGH THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE HELPFUL.
BUT IF YOU ALL FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO HAVE REVIEW THIS, THIS PARTICULAR USE SAID SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
I, I, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WE FEEL WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS.
OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN UH, CONTACT THE SAME COMMITTEE.
I, I THINK, I THINK WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT ABOUT THAT ONE.
WE WITH GOOD USE AND PRACTICE.
ALRIGHT, WELL THE NEXT THING ON THAT AGENDA THEN IS, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN.
PC SECRETARY OF COMMUNICATIONS.
I THOUGHT HE ALREADY DID THAT.
OH, IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS? IIII WAS DOING A TWO FOR, UM, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I DID GO TO WAS, UM, AND I, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.
I WENT TO A, UM, IT WAS A, A ENERGY, UM, MEETING AND, AND WILLIAMSBURG ON MY BUS PASS WEDNESDAY.
AND THEY, THEY REVIEWED ALL THESE DIFFERENT STATS ABOUT ENERGY, YOU KNOW, SEEING HOW MUCH ENERGY WE'RE GONNA BE NEEDING IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, THE ADVENT WITH DATA CENTERS AND AI AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND HOW MUCH WE NEED THIS TYPE OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WITH YOUR CELL PHONES, YOUR TABLETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT YOU USE EVERY DAY.
EVEN PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED DATA CENTERS, BUT THEY'RE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR CELL PHONES AND TABLETS AND THEY EVEN HAVE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE.
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH ENERGY YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BE CONSUMING WITH THAT AND HOW MUCH THEY NEED TO HAVE DATA CENTERS.
SO THERE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF UNIT OF, AND FOR VIRGINIA, WE'RE LIKE THE, I THINK ACTUALLY NORTHERN VIRGINIA, I THINK IT HAS 70% OF THE WORLD'S INTERNET TRAFFIC.
LIKE, IT, IT, IT GOES THROUGH VIRGINIA.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SIGN VIRGINIA, LIKE AS FAR AS DATA CENTERS, DATA COMES THROUGH LIKE 70% OF IT FROM THE WORLD IS, IS GO GOES US TO VIRGINIA.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE A BIT.
UM, THEY REVEAL, THEY RELEASE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY BROUGHT UP WAS KIND OF COMPARING, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS, I DON'T KNOW, 1970S VOLVO AND THEN UPDATING IT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE NOW IS LIKE, IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO HAVE ALL THESE NEW THINGS ON IT.
SO NOW YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, YOUR TRANSMISSION LINES, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD ALL THESE OTHER PIECES TO IT TO DO, UM, WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT ENGINE PIECES THAT YOU NEVER WOULD'VE THOUGHT OF WHEN THESE PIECES OF INFRASTRUCTURE WERE, WERE BUILT.
BUT NOW WE'RE ASKING IT TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOADS.
AND SO YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE, EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO BUILD NEW, NEW CARS OR, OR NEW NEW LINES.
SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NEEDS FOR THAT THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT, I WON'T SAY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE NATION THERE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH OF NEEDS THROUGH ALL THESE ENERGY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE BUILD, OBVIOUSLY BUILDING HOUSING AND, AND, AND, AND BUSINESSES THAT NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.
BUT I THINK ADVENT NOW IS THE, THE MAIN THING WAS, UM, DATA USAGE IS VERY HIGH.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S LIKE THE, THE NEW THING THAT, I WON'T SAY IT'S NOT NEW ANYMORE, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS 20 YEARS AGO.
UM, ABOUT, ABOUT, ABOUT THE, UH, ADVENT OF ARTIFICIAL
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INTELLIGENCE.I THINK THEY SAID NOW THAT IT DOES, I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX TIMES, REQUIRE SIX TIMES MORE ENERGY THAN JUST WRECK JUST NORMAL DATA.
SO JUST LETS YOU KNOW HOW MUCH AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP AND THAT TREND'S GONNA CONTINUE.
SO, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD ENERGY CONFERENCE.
UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL FORMS OF ENERGY, SO IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T JUST ELECTRICITY, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD GAS AND, UM, THE, THE MIXTURES, UM, AND TALKED ABOUT IT, HAVING TO DIVERSIFY YOUR, IN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ENERGY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ALL RELIANT ON SOLAR, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T BE DEPENDENT ON SOLAR.
MOST OF YOUR ENERGY IS GONNA BE COMING PROBABLY MORE LIKELY FROM GAS.
SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENERGY TO TRANSMIT AND YOU HAVE TO DIVERSIFY IT.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU RELY ON TO WHOLLY ON ONE PIECE OF ENERGY, THEN UM, YOU EQUIVALENT LIKE SOME OTHER STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, VIRGINIA, APPARENTLY, I THINK IT'S LIKE A EX MORE OF AN EXPORTER OF ENERGY THEN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE ON PJM, SO WE'RE WORKING OUT PRETTY WELL WITH, I THINK THERE ARE 13 STATES THAT ARE PART OF PJM.
SO LEARN QUITE A BIT ABOUT, ABOUT ENERGY.
I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO LEARN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING WITH DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY BRING PROJECTS TO, FOR US, FOR ENERGY PROJECTS ABOUT WHAT IT IS.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE BRING PROJECTS TO US, THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BRING PROJECTS TO US, THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM.
AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT PROBLEM JUST YET, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO, HOW DO WE HELP THEM SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, UM, BUT ALSO MITIGATE IT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF PUTTING A SPIN ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH PLANNING.
SO THEY, THEY, THEY INVITE A LOT OF, A LOT OF LOCALITIES, UM, AS WELL AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS OR, UM, SO THEY, THEY HAD PEOPLE FROM THE INDUSTRY AS WELL AS FROM LOCALITIES AS WELL TO PARTICIPATE JUST TO KIND OF, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR FIELD.
SO IF ANY OF YOU ALL WANT ANY MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO, TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND CHAT WITH YOU ABOUT IT.
IT WAS, IT WAS, I WON'T SAY IT WAS EYE-OPENING, BUT IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WAS LIKE, WOW, THERE'S CERTAIN PIECES OF INFORMATION TO THAT TO ADD TO WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW THAT WAS, THAT WAS CERTAINLY INFORMATIONAL.
SO THAT'S, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
BUT IT WASN'T ON THAT, THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US.
UM, I'VE HAD SOME, UH, CITIZENS CALL ME ABOUT THE ROAD.
UM, I GUESS IT'S ROUTE 10 WHERE THE STRATA IS STARTING TO WORK ON THEIR NEW FACE NEAR THE VDOT.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT IS THERE GONNA BE A LEFT HAND CENTER, LEFT HAND TURN IF YOU'RE COMING FROM HOPEWELL DOWN ROUTE 10 SO THAT THE TRUCKS AREN'T PULLING OVER INTO THE, UM, ONCOMING TRAFFIC TO TURN INTO THAT ENTRY.
HAVE, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OF THIS? THERE IS, THERE'S NO PLAN FOR A LEFT TURN LANE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO PLAN FOR A TURN LANE.
SO IF CITIZENS ARE CALLING ABOUT THAT, OKAY.
I JUST GOT, WE SHOULD THEY CALL, I, I JUST GOT A CALL FROM ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS TODAY, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT OTHER THAN THAT ONE BOARD MEMBER.
THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I'VE RECEIVED ABOUT OKAY.
BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY OF THAT BEFORE.
WELL WOULDN'T THAT BE INFORMATION THAT VDOT WOULD HAVE IF IT WAS GOING TO BE AN TURN LANE INSTALLED? THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION, BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE REVIEWED THAT PRIOR AT THE, AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC PLAN PRIOR TO.
SO THAT PROJECT, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT TODAY ORIGINALLY.
THAT QUESTION, AN EASY WAY TO STOP TO CORRECT THAT IS PUT ANOTHER SECTION OF CULVERT IN THERE AND THEN THEY GOT ENOUGH ROOM TO TURN TO GO IN THERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO WAY DOWN THE LEFT HAND SIDE READY TO MAKE THE SWING TO GET IN THERE.
THEIR ENTRANCE THERE APPARENTLY IS NOT BIG ENOUGH OR WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE CITY TRACTOR TRAILER DRIVE OVER THAT SECTION BEFORE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ALSO? UH, IS THERE AN UPDATE ON SYCAMORE CROSS? ARE THEY STILL PLANNING TO APPEAL OUR DECISION? DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT ONE? OKAY.
SO IT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE OCTOBER 3RD BOARD MEETING.
UM, AND, UH, LAST THURSDAY EVENING, ISLE OF WHITE DID APPROVE THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S THE LATEST INFORMATION WE HAVE.
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I MAKE A MOTION WE ADJOURN.I APPROVE A SECOND THAT WE ADJOURN TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS OCTOBER THE 28TH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY GOODBYE MS. SAYING AYE.