[Planning Commission on November 25, 2024.]
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OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA UNDER GOD.
THE, UH, NEXT THING I HAD ASKED FOR, ROLL CALL.
HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
AND SECOND, THAT WE, UH, ADOPT THE, UH, MEETING AGENDA.
OPPOSED? NEXT THING IS THE, UM, CONSENT ITEMS. THE DISPOSITION OF THE MINUTES.
UM, WE GOT THE OCTOBER, THE 28TH, 2024 MEETINGS.
ARE THERE ANY NOTED CORRECTIONS IN THOSE MINUTES? IF HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT THEM AS PRESENTED, MR. CHAIR.
AND SECOND THAT WE, UH, UM, ACCEPT THE, UH, OCTOBER THE 28TH, 2024 MEETINGS AS, UH, PRESENTED.
OPPOSED? THE, UH, JANUARY MEETINGS, UM, MINUTES.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE AT THIS TIME.
NEXT THING IS OUR OLD BUSINESS.
MEMBERS OF THE POINT COMMISSION, UM, TONIGHT BEFORE YOU, WE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE OUR OLD BUSINESS ITEM IS OUR, OUR ORDERS AMENDMENT FOR THE ADOPTION OF OUR SOLAR ENERGY ORDINANCE.
UH, WE HAVE MADE THOSE NOTED CORRECTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ASKED US TO MAKE, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO, UM, TO SEEK, SEEK A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR MS. WADE? AND JUST, JUST TO ADD, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED AT THE, AT YOUR LAST MEETING IN, UH, IN OCTOBER.
OKAY, MR. WADE, WHERE WAS THE WORDING ABOUT THE SOLAR PANELS BEING USED ON WATER MANAGEMENT? STORM WATER.
YOU WERE GONNA PULL FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT TIME? NO, BUT THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT WASN'T PUT IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE, WE DIDN'T UPDATE THIS TO HAVE, I DON'T RECALL US PUTTING THAT INTO ORDINANCE.
UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER RECOLLECTION OF THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING PUT IN THERE.
'CAUSE THE WAY WE ADDRESSED THAT WAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A, A, UM, STORMWATER ORDINANCE AND THAT, THAT THE STATE ADDRESSES A STORMWATER ORDINANCE FOR SURREY COUNTY.
DID YOU SAY THAT YOU SAID WE COULD DO IT AS PART OF THE CUP, WE COULD DO IT AS PART OF THE CUP? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR, I STILL DON'T SEE ON, UM, PAGE FOUR, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I STILL DON'T SEE WHERE HE CLARIFIED FIRE, RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENTS AS COMPARED TO EXISTING CAPACITIES AND FACILITIES.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A 25 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY, THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, FIREFIGHTERS TO BE ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS.
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SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT SECTION FOR YOU RIGHT THERE.IF YOU TURN TO PAGE NUMBER 21, UM, UNDER, UH, NUMBER SEVEN SETBACKS, I WAS TRYING TO LOCATE MS. PARKS, UH, OF WHERE, OF WHERE WE PLACED THAT THE LAST SENTENCE IN.
AND, AND, AND NUMBER ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, SETBACKS IS A 25 FOOT SETBACK SHOULD BE PROVIDED BETWEEN PERIMETER FOR SECURITY FENCING AND VEGETATIVE BUFFER FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
ANY OTHER, UM, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SO, MR. WADE, I GOT A, I GUESS I GOT A QUESTION.
HERE WE ARE, OUR OLD BUSINESSES HERE IS, UM, THE PC ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, AND I HEARD THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, PACKAGE HERE, WE GOT THE, THIS CU CUP 24 0 1 SMORE CROSS STAFF REPORT.
IS THAT IN, THAT'S NOT IN THE OLD BUSINESS, IS IT? NO, THAT'S NOT UNDER OLD BUSINESS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY, MAKE SURE MY PACKAGE IS RIGHT HERE.
FLIP THAT SHEET OVER, MR. CHAIRMAN, FLIP THAT THIS SHEET OVER? NO, NO.
YEAH, THAT'S IN UNDER THE NEW RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, IN MY PACKET IS IT'S ALL INSIDE OF THE, UH, UNDER OLD BUSINESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. UH, WADE AT THIS TIME? THEN? UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE, DENY THESE ORDINANCES AS, UM, AS PRESENTED.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, PC ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2024 DASH OH TWO.
IT'S, UH, PROPERLY MOVED AND SECOND THAT WE, UM, ADOPT THESE MINUTES AS, UH, PRESENTED.
AND, UH, I WILL, UM, CAN JUST DO LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING AS A, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SIGNIFY SAYING AYE.
SO THIS GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT THING IS, UM, NEW BUSINESS.
AND TONIGHT WE'RE ALSO HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 24 0 1, THE APPLICANT SYCAMORE CROSS SOLAR SIX, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SOLAR GENERATION FACILITY IN SURREY COUNTY.
THE PROJECT WILL SPAN SIX PARCELS, 60 DASH ONE DASH ONE 60 DASH NINE 60 DASH 1761 DASH 2, 61 DASH THREE, AND 61 DASH FOUR.
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CURRENTLY ZONED M1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITHIN SURY COUNTY.AND WE WILL BE LOCATED ALONG MILL SWAMP ROAD STATE ROUTE 6 23 MULLET DRIVE, STATE ROUTE 6 84 AND BELAND ROAD STATE ROUTE 6 26 SOUTH OF WHITE MARSH ROAD, UH, STATE ROUTE SIX 17.
THE PROPOSED CONDITION USE PERMIT IS PART OF A SOLAR INJURY GENERATION FACILITY PROJECT TO PRODUCE 240 MEGAWATTS IN SURREY COUNTY AND WHITE COUNTY WITHIN SURY COUNTY.
THE PROJECT ARRAYS WILL BE DEVELOPED ON THREE PARCELS, 60 DASH NINE 60 DASH 17, AND 61 DASH THREE TOTALING 806 ACRES OF WHICH APPROXIMATELY 125 ACRES WILL BE FENCED ARRAYS PARCELS 60 DASH 1, 61 DASH TWO AND 61 DASH FOUR WILL BE EASEMENT ONLY PARCELS AND WILL CONTAIN MEDIUM VOLTAGE UTILITY QUARTERS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAY INDICATES THIS PROJECT PARCELS ARE SUITABLE FOR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL USE.
OKAY, THIS PROJECT IS ULTIMATELY 19 MEGAWATTS OF LARGE SCALE ENERGY FACILITY.
UH, INDICATED EARLIER THIS IS A SMALLER PORTION OF 240 UH, MEGAWATTS.
THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT IS LOCATED IN ALL OF WHITE COUNTY, UH, THAT WE UTILIZATION OF, OF LAND FOR SURY COUNTY IS SIX PARCELS OF 806 ACRES.
OF WHICH YOU, YOU'VE HEARD IN YOUR, IN YOUR DESCRIPTION IS 125 IS UNDER, UH, OUR FENCED IN AREA.
THIS, THESE ARE THE PROJECT PARCELS HERE LAID OUT ACROSS, UH, THAT, THAT 806 ACRES.
UM, YOUR NEXT SLIDE HERE SHOWS THAT SAME AREA, BUT THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE PROJECT.
UM, AS YOU NOTICE, UH, 125 OF THAT WE FENCED IN.
THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE IN ORANGE ARE THE PANEL AREAS FOR THOSE THREE PARCELS THAT WILL HAVE PANELS.
THE OTHER THREE PARCELS ARE, ARE EASEMENT ONLY.
UM, FOR THE, UH, DISTRI DISTRIBUTION LINES, MINIMUM SETBACKS HERE FOR THE INVERTERS HERE ARE 500 FEET MINIMUM SETBACKS FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, 750 FEET BUFFER MINIMUM BUFFERS FOR THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY IS 50 FEET.
UM, THE PROJECT WILL COMPLY WITH THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
CONTAINS SITE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CONTAINS ADDITIONAL BUFFER STANDARDS FOR, UH, TRAFFIC AND CONDUCTION REQUIREMENTS, CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS PER THE CONDITIONS IN THE CEP UH, STAFF.
COMMENTS HERE, UH, STRENGTHS, UH, SETBACKS AND BUFFERS ARE GREATER THAN AN M1 ZONING STANDARDS.
UH, THE PROJECT CEP MITIGATES THE PROJECTS IMPACTS AND BENEFITS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON A SITE PREVIOUSLY CONTEMPLATED FOR SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.
MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FOR THE PROJECT WILL TAKE PLACE IN OLIVE, WHITE WEAKNESSES.
THE STORMWATER, UH, NOT ADDRESSING PANELS AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
UM, THERE ARE THREE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES.
UH, NO, THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS ON HOW TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WILL ACCESS THE SITES REGIONALLY AND DECOMMISSIONING DOES NOT EXPLICITLY STATE THAT THE SURETY DOES NOT, DOES NOT GO BY SAL VALUE.
AND IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY COMMENT, UH, QUESTIONS, UM, I'M HERE ALSO THE APPLICANT'S HERE FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WADE? MR. WADE, WHERE ARE THE THREE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES? THREE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES, UH, LOCATED ON, UH, THIS ROAD HERE.
THOSE ARE ITEMS I DID SPELL OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
GET TO THOSE SECTIONS REAL QUICK.
UH, LOCATIONS ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF MILL SWAMP ROAD, MULLET DRIVE, AND BEACHLAND ROAD.
SO WHAT'S IN THE VICINITY OF THOSE? IS THERE RESIDENCE PARCELS NEXT TO 'EM OR ACROSS FROM THEM? THE AREAS OF THERE IS JUST, JUST THE, THE, THE, I'M SORRY, WHAT THE AREAS THAT, THE PART OF IT THAT IS, THAT IS CONSIDERED A WEAKNESS IS JUST THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SPREAD OUT THERE, THERE ARE THREE, AT LEAST THREE ENTRANCES AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING ONE SOLID ENTRANCE.
THAT IS, THAT IS THE, THE WEAKNESS OF FOR, FOR THAT, IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT WHY I SPELLED THOSE ENTRANCES OUT IS BECAUSE THAT THERE'S THREE AND THEY'RE SPREAD OUT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES.
BUT YOU ARE SAYING THE WEAKNESSES THAT YOU HAVE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE ENTRANCES MULTIPLE INSTEAD OF ONE.
THAT'S THE INSTEAD OF ONE, YEAH.
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OH, I SEE.UH, MR. WADE, JUST FOR, JUST FOR RECORD, UM, DISCUSSING STORM WATER, WE WILL, UH, ADDRESS THAT IN THE PERMIT.
SO THE, THE PART ABOUT THE CUP, WE WERE LOOKING FOR THAT TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CUP, HOWEVER, THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE CEP.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE, WE ASKED FOR ADVANCE OR SIGNIFICANT, UM, FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE ASKED FOR TO GO OFF OF THE PANEL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR THE PANEL TO ADDRESS STORM MORTAR.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT CONDITION.
THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED HERE IN THE, IN THE CUP CONDITIONS.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY SPEAK ON THAT AFTER, AFTER THEY DO THEIR PRESENTATION.
THEY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK ON THAT MORE THAN, MORE THAN I CAN.
SO YOU MENTIONED THERE'S SIX PARCELS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK THOSE, THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE, THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE IN REFERENCE HERE.
WELL, THE, THE ORANGE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE BIGGER MAPS.
THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ORANGE, ORANGE DOTS.
YOU SEE, THEY'RE VERY MUCH HIGHLIGHT.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE AREAS WHERE THEY SEE PANELS.
SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S, UM, WHAT IS ON THE OTHER THREE PARCELS THAT DON'T HAVE PANELS? THOSE ARE JUST THE TRANSMISSION LINES TO GET THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ELECTRIC LINES TO GET THE, UH, THE, THE APPLICATION.
THEY, THEY'RE THE PARCELS THAT THE ELECTRIC LINES WILL CROSS.
AND THE, THEY HAVE STRUCTURAL ON, THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T HAVE PANELS ON, NOT NOT PANELS, BUT THEY'LL HAVE STRUCTURE FOR THE, THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK ON THAT FOR, FOR THEMSELVES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MR. WADE? UM, IF NOT, THEN I'LL ASK THAT THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVE, JUST THE WAY YOU GOT IN.
YEAH, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS TO MAKE MR. CRESTWELL HERE TO, TO UH, DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION JUST THERE.
CHAIRMAN BROCK, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, COUNTY STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION.
I'M GREG CRESWELL, SENIOR DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR A ES.
AND WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SYCAMORE CROSS SOLAR PROJECT.
THERE ARE THREE MAIN REASONS TO SUPPORT SYCAMORE CROSS.
ONE, THE PROJECT IS WELL CITED AND WILL BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
TWO A ES IS AN OWNER OPERATOR WHO IS ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THREE SYCAMORE CROSS OFFERS $4.1 MILLION IN REVENUE TO THE COUNTY WITH LIMITED IMPACTS ON COUNTY RESOURCES.
I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A ES, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE ATTENDING OR WATCHING AT HOME WHO MIGHT NOT BE I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE COMPANY.
A ES IS A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY HEADQUARTERED HERE IN VIRGINIA.
OUR CLEAN ENERGY DIVISION HAS ITS PJM REGIONAL OFFICE IN RICHMOND.
THIS OFFICE SUPPORTS APPROXIMATELY 40 EMPLOYEES AND OVER 900 MEGAWATTS OF OPERATIONAL FACILITIES.
A ES OVERALL HAS OVER 400 OPERATIONAL SOLAR FACILITIES NATIONWIDE.
PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT TO A ES IS THAT, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE AN OWNER OPERATOR OF THESE FACILITIES.
WHAT THAT MEANS FOR YOU IS THAT THE COUNTY ONLY DEALS WITH ONE COMPANY FROM DEVELOPMENT THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND INTO OPERATIONS.
SYCAMORE CROSS IS A 240 MEGAWATT SOLAR FACILITY.
IT'S LOCATED IN SURREY COUNTY AND ISLE OF WHITE WITHIN SURREY.
THE PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY 19 MEGAWATTS ON 125 FENCED ACRES.
THE AREA AND CAPACITY WITHIN SURREY REPRESENTS ABOUT 10% OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
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WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION SINCE EARLY 2023.WE'VE WORKED WITH COUNTY'S THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT SUMMIT IN OUR APPLICATION REVIEW.
WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS WITH THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE'RE PART OF A REVIEW WITH THE ZONING SUBCOMMITTEE.
IN ADDITION TO OUR EFFORTS WITH SURREY COUNTY, THIS PROJECT HAS HAD ANALYSIS BY NUMEROUS OTHER GROUPS.
TO DATE, WE'VE RECEIVED OUR STATE PERMIT, KNOWN AS THE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY FROM THE SEC.
WE'VE RECEIVED OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM MILE OF WHITE COUNTY.
WE HAVE AN EXECUTED INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT WITH PJM, WHO IS THE REGIONAL TRANSMISSION ORGANIZATION, AND WE HAVE A POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH AN OFF TAKE.
NOW I'D LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO SHOW YOU SYCAMORE CROSS IN DETAIL.
THIS FIRST MAP IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN SURREY COUNTY.
AS MR. WADE MENTIONED, THERE ARE THREE AREAS OF ARRAYS LOCATED ALONG MILL SWAMP ROAD, ROUTE 6 23 AT THE NORTH END OF MULLET DRIVE AND ALONG BEACHLAND ROAD.
THESE ARRAY AREAS ARE CONNECTED BY A SERIES OF MEDIUM VOLTAGE EASEMENT CORRIDORS, WHICH WILL PARALLEL AN ALREADY EXISTING UTILITY CORRIDOR BEING USED BY THE CAVALIER PROJECT.
SOMETHING TO NOTE ABOUT THE ARRAY AREAS IS THAT NONE OF THESE AREAS WILL BE BUILT ON CROP LAND.
SO WE ARE TAKING NO CROP LAND OUT OF PRODUCTION IN SURREY COUNTY.
THIS FOCUS MAP SHOWS THE PROPOSED ARRAY ALONG MILL SWAMP ROAD.
IT REPRESENTS ROUGHLY 90 ACRES WITHIN THE FENCE AND 12 MEGAWATTS.
THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT WILL BENEFIT FROM AN EXISTING VEGETATION BUFFER THAT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY SCREEN THE PROJECT FROM PUBLIC ROADWAY AS WELL AS FROM THE RESIDENCES LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST.
THIS FOCUS AREA SHOWS THE ARRAY LOCATED AT THE NORTH END OF MULLET DRIVE.
THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES WITHIN THE FENCE AND THREE MEGAWATTS.
THIS FINAL FOCUS AREA SHOWS THE ARRAYS ALONG BEACHLAND ROAD.
THIS AREA IS ASSAULT, SO APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES WITHIN THE FENCE AND ROUGHLY FOUR MEGAWATTS.
THIS AREA OF THE PROJECT WILL ALSO BENEFIT FROM BEING SCREENED BY EXISTING NATURAL VEGETATION.
IF YOU'VE NOTICED IN THE VARIOUS AERIALS THAT I'VE PROVIDED, THESE ARRAYS ARE BUILT ADJACENT TO THE CAVALIER PROJECT.
SYCAMORE CROSS WILL BE THE BENEFIT FROM CAVALIER'S EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS PROJECT ENTRANCES, WHICH ARE ALREADY FULLY BUILT AND RECENTLY PAVED.
AS PART OF OUR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, A ES HAS CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE OUTREACH.
OUR TEAM HAS VISITED OVER 800 HOMES IN THE REGION, WHICH LED TO 354 INTERACTIONS.
WE'VE HELD FOUR OPEN HOUSES, TWO OF THESE TAKING PLACE IN SURREY COUNTY.
A ES HAS ALSO BEEN ENGAGED WITH VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN SURREY COUNTY.
WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN A SENIOR CENTER HOLIDAY WISHLIST.
WE VOLUNTEER WITH THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA FOOD BANK AT ITS SURREY MOBILE FOOD DRIVE.
WE'VE SPONSORED THE FOUR H PROGRAM TO SUPPLY TRANSPORTATION FOR SUMMER PROGRAMMING, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO PROVIDE SOLAR CURRICULUM THROUGH THE NEED PROGRAM.
SO WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM ALL OF OUR OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COUNTY? FIRST OF ALL, RESIDENTS FEEL THAT THE BENEFITS OF THESE PROJECTS DO NOT MAKE IT TO THEM.
SECONDLY, A ES MUST IMPROVE THE MANAGEMENT OF ITS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
THIRDLY, THE RURAL AESTHETIC AND LIFESTYLE ARE IMPORTANT TO THESE RESIDENTS.
AND FOURTH SUR IS MAKING A CONTINUOUS EFFORT TO EVOLVE AND A ES MUST EVOLVE AND ADAPT WITH THE COUNTY.
TO FIRST ADDRESS THE BENEFITS OF SYCAMORE CROSS PROJECT, WE'VE PROPOSED A CITING AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDES UPFRONT PAYMENTS, TOTALING $1.6 MILLION.
WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED VOLUNTARY ANNUAL PAYMENTS BASED ON A PER MEGAWATT AMOUNT, WHICH WOULD TOTAL $1.2 MILLION.
THESE VOLUNTARY PAYMENT TYPES ALONG WITH THE REQUIRED M AND T TAX AND AN INCREASED REAL ESTATE TAX VALUE WOULD TOTAL $4.1 MILLION IN REVENUE TO SURREY COUNTY.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY MAY BE MORE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATIONS OF THE PROJECT.
WE'VE PROPOSED WITHIN THIS A COMMUNITY BENEFITS FUND TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE COUNTY.
BEFORE I DISCUSS HOW WE PLAN TO ADDRESS CONCERNS RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT SYCAMORE CROSS IS THE INVERSE OF THE CAVALIER PROJECT.
INSTEAD OF TRAFFIC COMING FROM ROUTE 10 IN THE NORTH AND USING WHITE MARSH ROAD TRAFFIC WILL USE FOUR 60 IN THE SOUTH AND TRAVEL UP PROCTOR BRIDGE ROAD.
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THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT BEING STAGED AND BUILT IN SURREY COUNTY, 90% OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE STAGED AND BUILT IN ISLE OF WHITE.BUT WE KNOW NONE OF THIS MATTERS IF WE CAN'T CONTROL OUR CONTRACTORS AND WE DON'T HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
SO WE'LL ENACT FOUR MAIN STRATEGIES TO CREATE AN ENHANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
NUMBER ONE, WE'LL COMPLETE PRE-CONSTRUCTION ROAD IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS REINFORCING SHOULDERS AND INTERSECTIONS.
NUMBER TWO, WE'LL USE THIRD PARTY ENFORCEMENT OF THE OF THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN ALONG WITH THE COMMUNITY LIAISON.
NUMBER THREE, WE'LL ENACT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC RESTRICTIONS ALONG MILL SWAMP ROAD, ROUTE 6 23.
AND NUMBER FOUR, WE'LL INCLUDE A STRUCTURE FOR FINANCIAL FINANCIAL PENALTIES WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
TO ADDRESS THE THIRD LESSON WE LEARNED FROM OUR OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW SYCAMORE CROSS CAN COEXIST WITH SURREY COUNTY'S RURAL CHARACTER.
ALTHOUGH SYCAMORE CROSS IS TO BE LOCATED ON INDUSTRIAL ZONED LAND AND HAS BEEN FOUND SUBSTANTIALLY IN ACCORD WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A ES UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING THE RURAL AESTHETIC AND LIFESTYLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
A ES WILL ACHIEVE THIS THROUGH A COMMITMENT TO AGRICULTURE BY USING ROTATIONAL SHEEP GRAZING AND THROUGH HARVESTING GROUND COVER VEGETATION, WHICH CAN BE USED FOR THE SHEEP OR FOR LOCAL LIVESTOCK TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL AESTHETIC, BUT RAISE OUR LOCATED ALONG ROADWAYS THAT WILL BE FULLY SCREENED BY USING EXISTING VEGETATION RATHER THAN HAVING TO INSTALL NEW MANICURED LANDSCAPES.
LASTLY, A ES NOTICED THE RURAL LIFESTYLE IS NOT JUST ABOUT A VIEW SHED, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE PEACE AND QUIET.
WE'RE ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH THE MANUFACTURER OF THE INVERTERS USED ON THE CAVALIER PROJECT TO ADDRESS CONCERNS RAISED IN THE COMMUNITY REGARDING SOUND LEVELS.
IN THE COMING MONTHS, WE WILL RETROFIT SEVERAL UNITS IN THE FIELD TO DETERMINE THE BENEFITS OF A PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR SYCAMORE CROSS.
WE'LL BE PROACTIVE WITH OUR EQUIPMENT SELECTION, MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE ACHIEVE THE NARRATIVE THAT SOLAR IS A QUIET NEIGHBOR.
FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN HOW SYCAMORE CROSS IS EVOLVING WITH THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR ENERGY FACILITIES.
WE BEGAN DEVELOPING SYCAMORE CROSS IN THE SUMMER OF 2022 WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
SINCE THAT TIME, SURY HAS AMENDED ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF AMENDING ITS ORDINANCE, WHICH YOU'VE DONE HERE THIS EVENING.
TAKING THE FIRST STEP, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THAT ORDINANCE IS APPROVED, SYCAMORE CROSS IS MAKING EFFORTS TO ACHIEVE THE REQUIREMENTS PROPOSED IN THE NEW ORDINANCE THROUGH REVISIONS TO OUR SUGGESTED CONDITIONS.
EXAMPLES INCLUDE THE USE OF A PROJECT LIAISON, SETBACKS THAT WILL BE SPECIFIC TO INVERTERS, INCLUSION OF MITIGATION, PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION, REDUCED HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION TO INCLUDE NO WORK ON SUNDAYS SOIL AND WATER TESTING.
AND WE'VE AGREED TO A SHORTENED SIX MONTH DECOMMISSIONING TIMELINE.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION, I MENTIONED THREE REASONS TO SUPPORT SYCAMORE CROSS.
ONE, THIS PROJECT IS WELL CITED WITH LIMITED IMPACTS TO VIEW SHED AND CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
TWO A ES IS AN OWNER OPERATOR WHO IS ENGAGED WITH AND LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS OF RESIDENTS AND STAFF.
WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THESE CONCERNS BY IMPROVING TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, MAINTAINING THE RURAL AESTHETIC AND LIFESTYLE AND EVOLVING WITH COUNTY REQUIREMENTS.
AND THREE, SYCAMORE CROSS OFFERS $4.1 MILLION IN REVENUE, WHICH INCLUDES A PROPOSED MECHANISM TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT CAN REACH THE RESIDENTS.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE PROJECT TO YOU THIS EVENING.
I'VE GOT THE A ES TEAM AND MYSELF HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
THERE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS? SORRY, I'LL START WITH A REAL EASY ONE.
THE $4.1 MILLION, IS THAT BASED ON 25 YEAR LIFESPAN OR 40 35 YEAR LIFE? 35, YES SIR.
AND I WOULD NOTE, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THE WAY THE PAYMENTS ARE ARRANGED, UM, THAT CAN BE ALTERED.
IF I WERE TO GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, YOU'D SEE THAT THERE'S A NOTE ON THERE.
SO WE HAVE UPFRONT PAYMENTS AND THE WAY WE HAVE IT PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IS OVER THE 35 YEAR LIFE, BUT THOSE NUMBERS CAN BE VIEWED.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YES, THIS
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MAP AND ATTACHMENT F IT'S THE ROUTE.COULD YOU GO OVER THIS MAP? CERTAINLY CAN.
UH, SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP, AND IT SHOULD BE THE SAME ONE THAT'S UP, UH, UP ABOVE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU'LL SEE A BLUE ROUTE BLUE BLUE FROM HERE, KIND OF TEAL COLORED THAT COMES UP FROM A YELLOW LINE.
THE YELLOW LINE AT THE BOTTOM IS FOUR 60, THAT'S ROUTE FOUR 60.
THE BLUE LINE IS PROCTOR'S BRIDGE ROAD.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK IN THE CENTER, YOU'LL SEE A STAR THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE YELLOW AREA.
THAT STAR REPRESENTS APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE WE WOULD PLAN OUR STAGING AREA.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT CAVALIER, CAVALIER IS DESIGNED WITH AN OFFSITE STAGING AREA.
WE BELIEVE THAT BY MOVING THAT STAGING AREA BACK ON SITE, WE CAN BETTER CONTROL OUR TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF SIGHT.
UM, THE DASHED LINES WOULD BASICALLY BE KIND OF A SPOKE IN A HUB SCENARIO, RIGHT? IF THE STAGING AREA IS THE STAR, THEN THE PROPOSED ROUTES TO THE DIFFERENT ARRAY AREAS FOR CONSTRUCTION WOULD FOLLOW THOSE BLUE HASHED LINES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S LOOK AT, UH, 6 26.
UM, IT IS, I THINK YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU SEE BERRYMAN'S CORNER IN THE TOP CENTER AND YOU'LL SEE ROUTE 6 23 HEADED SOUTH FROM THERE.
THAT IS WHITE HILL TRAIL IN SURREY AND IT IS MILL SWAMP ROAD IN, OR PARDON ME, IT'S WHITE HILL TRAIL IN ISLE WHITE TURNS INTO MILL SWAMP ROAD IN SURREY COUNTY.
SO WE SHARE THAT STOPPING INSTEAD OF CONTINUING ONTO WHITE MARSH ROAD, WHEN ANY CONSTRUCTION WOULD ACCESS THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT, THEN THEY WOULD RETURN SOUTH AND THEY WOULD LEAVE THE PROJECT TO THE SOUTH.
UH, SAME WITH THE REST OF THE BOATS.
UH, SO ON 6 23 I'M HEADING UP FROM ALL WHITE TOWARDS THE COUNTY LINE, MISSOURI MM-HMM
AND YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULD TURN AROUND ON 6 23 AND GO BACK? CORRECT.
CONCEPT BEING YOU GO INTO WHATEVER AREA OF THE ARRAY THAT IT IS THAT YOU NEED TO ACCESS.
IF YOU'RE, LET'S SAY YOU'RE DRIVING UP, YOU'RE GONNA DROP OFF PANELS, YOU DRIVE FROM THE STAR TO THE AREA OF THE ARRAY THAT YOU NEED TO LEAVE THOSE PANELS USING THE BLUE HASHED LINES, YOU THEN RETURN BACK TO THE STAR AND LEAVE SITE.
SO THAT'S THE HEAVY HAUL ESCORTED ROUTE.
THAT'S DASH BLUE LINE, THAT'S SO THAT, YEP.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE BLUE AND THEN THE OTHER LINE TO THE SOUTH IS FOUR 60.
UM, AND THAT'S THE TRAFFIC ROUTE OUT.
SO ON ON, IN AND OUT 6 23, THE DASH BLUE LINE GOES UP INTO SURREY? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE IT? NO.
THEY WOULD USE IT AND THEN RETURN BACK DOWN RATHER THAN CONTINUING NORTH.
SO AS LONG ANY OF THESE DASH LINES, LIKE 6 84 AND 6 25, MOST OF THAT IS DOWN IN
AND I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH MAYBE THE EASIEST THING TO DO IF YOU WANT, UM, I CAN BE PRETTY BRIEF WITH IT, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE CLOSEUP SCREENS, SO THIS IS ROUTE 6 23.
YOU SEE THE PANELS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
THOSE PANELS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UM, YOU ALSO HAVE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU SEE THE GREEN CORRIDOR.
SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS WE WOULD NEED TO ACCESS.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO ANY FURTHER NORTH ON THAT ROUTE.
UH, MULLETS NOT VERY WELL SHOWN HERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF THAT HORSESHOE MULLET DRIVE DEAD ENDS, UH, BECOMES A SHARED PRIVATE ROAD BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT HORSESHOE.
UM, WITH ACCESS BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER, UM, THAT'S ACCESSED FROM PONDS DRIVE THROUGH ISLE OF WHITE.
AND THEN THE LAST SECTION IS BEACHLAND.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THE ACCESS POINT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO TELL.
THE ACCESS POINT WOULD BE AT THE NOTCH THERE WHERE YOU SEE THE ARRAYS.
UM, YOU'VE GOT TWO ARRAYS THERE.
THERE'S AN ACCESS ROAD THAT SPLITS THOSE TWO ARRAYS.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE END OF OUR ACCESS REQUIREMENTS ON BEACHLAND ROAD.
SO, UM, YOU HAD, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING I READ, IT TALKED ABOUT THAT EMPLOYEES WOULD COME TO THE CENTRAL SITE AND THEN UH, THERE'LL BE SHUTTLES THAT TAKE THEM.
THE WAY WE'RE PROPOSING THIS AND, AND I WOULD KIND OF, UM, SUGGEST TO THAT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A STAGING AREA THAT'S THE STAR.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S A STAGING AREA FOR EQUIPMENT, RIGHT.
AND THEN A SECOND STAGING AREA THAT'S PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES.
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UH, AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SOUTH, IT'S ON RAMSEY ROAD IS WHERE THAT'S LOCATED.AND THEN SUGGESTED ROUTING FOR EMPLOYEES COMING TO AND FROM SITE.
ALL OF THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE DETAILED OUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, AND WOULD BE WORKED THROUGH DURING THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
CERTAINLY THAT WOULD, UH, MR. CRESWELL, THAT WOULD BE MAINLY IN OLIVE WHITE, CORRECT? THE STAGING AREA YOU WOULD HAVE IN OLIVE WHITE? CORRECT.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, UM, WE WOULD PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF CENTERED RIGHT AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF SYCAMORE CROSS DRIVE, PROCTOR'S BRIDGE ROAD, UH, AND IN ISLE OF WHITE SYCAMORE, UH, SORRY, MILL SWAMP ROAD.
THEY'RE TWO MILL SWAMPS AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
HAS THERE BEEN A SITE VISIT BY ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT THIS SITE BY ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? UHHUH
WE'VE HAD ONE COMMISSIONER LOOK AT THE SITE.
UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, WELL, NO, I LEMME TAKE THAT BACK.
NO, I'VE NOT, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS BUT NOT HAD ANYBODY TO SITE SO.
WELL, YOU'VE BEEN TO SITE PRIOR TO, TO CAVALIER AND THEN RODE AROUND WITH YOU ON CAVALIER.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF, UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAD ACTUALLY BEEN OUT TO LOOK AT WHERE THIS NO ACTIVITY, NO.
I THINK MR. CHEEK BRINGS A GOOD POINT AS FAR AS, UM, ACTUALLY VISITING THE SITE.
UM, I KNOW UP HERE LOOKING AT THE MAPS THAT YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, GOOD PRESENTATION BY THE WAY, BUT WHEN YOU GOT YOUR MAPS AND LOOKING AT THE, UH, PRESENTATION RIGHT HERE, I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION, A A GOOD HONEST DECISION IS IF WE WERE TO ACTUALLY VISIT, WE HAD MORE TIME TO VISIT THE ACTUAL SITE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET LIKE A, SOME TYPE OF STAFF COULD COORDINATE A FIELD TRIP OF SOME SORT, UM, TO WHERE MAYBE, UM, WE COULD COORDINATE WITH MR. UH, WADE TO SEE, UM, AVAILABILITIES OF VARIOUS COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF WE ACTUALLY GO VISIT THE SITE, SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN LOOKS LIKE, UM, WITH OUR OWN EYES VERSUS, UH, SLIDES AND PICTURES.
AND I THINK FROM THERE WE MAYBE GET A GOOD, UM, INSIGHT OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY PROPOSED.
I KNOW, UH, A LOT OF US GOT A BUSY SCHEDULE AND I'M SURE IF WE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD ASK, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A, A SUGGESTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONS MAY THINK.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR SIR MR. PIERCE JUST COMMENT? WELL, MR. WADE SAID THAT ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES HE SAW WAS DECOMMISSIONING DOES NOT EXPLICITLY STATE THAT THE SURETY DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR SALVAGE VALUE.
SO WHERE, WHERE WE AT? YOU? OKAY, SO WE BASICALLY, AS I MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, THAT THIS IS DESIGNED BASED AROUND CURRENT ORDINANCE.
UM, IF A RECOMMENDATION IS MADE TO THE SUPERVISORS, THEN IT COULD CERTAINLY SUGGEST YOU COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THE SUPERVISORS, HEY, THIS LOOKS FINE, BUT WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY INCLUDE A CONDITION THAT STATES THERE'S NO BENEFIT OF SALVAGE VALUE.
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND ADDRESS IT THAT AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW, THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SALVAGING THE PANELS AND THEY GET THE, WE TAKE THAT THE COST OF WHATEVER THAT SALVAGE VALUE IS OFF OF THE BOND.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW.
AND, AND I BELIEVE, UM, OF COURSE YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THE WAY THAT IT'S DETERMINED IS IF SALVAGE VALUE WE'RE GREATER THAN THE COST TO DECOMMISSION, I BELIEVE THEN WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO POST BONDS.
DOES THAT SOUND DID I SAY THAT RIGHT JEN? YEAH,
SO FOR COMPARING LIKE DIFFERENT SITES, SO FOR EXAMPLE, CAVALIER, THEIR PARTICULAR, UM, SOLAR SITE, WE DID THE, THE DECOMMISSIONING, UH, LOOKING FOR A DECOMMISSIONING COST TO DECOMMISSION THEIR COST TO DECOMMISSION, UM, WAS LESS THAN THEY, THEY THEY TOOK ACCOUNT SALVAGE VALUE.
SO THEY DID NOT HAVE THE POST ASSURITY 'CAUSE THEY WERE GOING OFF OF WHAT THE OFF OF SALVAGE VALUE.
SO THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO POST UPON.
SO THE COUNTY WOULD BE, IF SOMETHING DID HAPPEN, THE COUNTY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR DECOMMISSION THE
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SITE AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SALVAGE VALUE OF THE PANELS OR WHATEVER'S IN THE SITE TO RECOUP THE, THE COST OF THAT.AND I DON'T KNOW IF MS. MS. PERKINS WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE OR, SO THE WAY THE CALCULATION IS MADE IS, IS BASED ON WHAT'S ALLOWABLE UNDER VIRGINIA CODE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT 15.2, 2240 1.2, IT SETS OUT THAT AS PART OF THE DECOMMISSIONING AGREEMENT, UM, THE, THE LOCALITY, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE, UM, FINANCIAL ASSURANCE OF SUCH PERFORMANCE TO THE LOCALITY IN THE FORM OF CERTIFIED FUNDS, CASH, ESCROW, BOND, LETTER OF CREDIT, OR PARENT GUARANTEE BASED ON AN ESTIMATE OF A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER LICENSED IN THE COMMONWEALTH WHO IS ENGAGED BY THE APPLICANT WITH EXPERIENCE IN PREPARING DECOMMISSIONING ESTIMATES AND AS APPROVED BY THE LOCALITY.
AND IT SPECIFICALLY STATES IN CODE THAT SUCH ESTIMATE SHALL NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL OF THE PROJECTED COST OF DECOMMISSIONING, WHICH MAY INCLUDE THE NET SALVAGE VALUE OF SUCH EQUIPMENT, FACILITIES, OR DEVICES, PLUS A REASONABLE ALLOWANCE FOR ESTIMATED ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS RELATED TO A DEFAULT OF THE OWNER LESSEE OR DEVELOPER IN AN ANNUAL INFLATION FACTOR.
SO THE, THE VIRGINIA CODE AS LAST AMENDED IN 2019 PROVIDES US WITH SOME FLEXIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATING THAT DECOMMISSIONING AGREEMENT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT.
WE, SO UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY INVENT THIS NEW POWER AND THEY SAY IT'S NOT PROFITABLE, WE'RE TAKING A WALK, WE GOTTA SUE 'EM, WHATEVER.
WE'RE STUCK WITH THE SOLAR PANELS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE NO, FOR CAVALIER, WE HAVE NO BOND, WE HAVE NO FINANCIAL ASSURANCE.
THEY CAN'T, MY GRANDCHILDREN HAVE TO PAY TO REMOVE THESE SOLAR PANELS.
I MEAN THE, WE'RE ON THE HOOK, THE COUNTY'S ON THE HOOK FOR CAVALIER BECAUSE WE HAVE NO DECOMMISSIONING BONDING OR ANY FINANCIAL ASSURANCE.
BUT I HAVE NOT CONDUCTED A LEGAL REVIEW OF THE CAVALIER PROJECT THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO MY TIME.
SO I, I AM, I CAN'T SPEAK A HUNDRED PERCENT AS TO THOSE CONDITIONS, BUT AS TO THIS PROJECT, TOTALLY SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE CAVALIER PROJECT, AND WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO ASK FOR CERTAIN, CERTAIN THINGS TO BE REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING ASSURITY.
WE CAN ALSO, LIKE, WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, RIGHT? WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, IF I CAN BRING UP SCOTT FOSTER WITH GENTRY LOCK, WHO'S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR PROJECT, WE CAN KIND OF EXPLAIN TO YOU AS WELL.
AND ONE, ONE DISTINCTION I WANNA MAKE, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO CAVALIER 'CAUSE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, UH, DRAFT THAT DECOMMISSIONING AGREEMENT.
BUT IN THESE OLDER PROJECTS WHERE THERE IS A DECOMMISSIONING AGREEMENT IN PLACE, BUT THE VALUE, THE SALVAGE VALUE OF THE PROJECT IS HIGHER THAN THE COST OF DECOMMISSION.
THE, THE, THE SALVAGE VALUE THAT SITS THERE, IT STANDS IN PLACE OF A BOND OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THE DECOMMISSIONING AGREEMENT IN ESSENCE PLEDGES THE VALUE OF THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT IN THE FIELD TO COVER THE COUNTY'S COSTS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
SO YOU'RE NOT WRONG THAT, THAT THERE'S NO BOND POSTED, BUT IT'S NOT AS IF THE COUNTY IS COMPLETELY EXPOSED FOR THE COST OF DECOMMISSIONING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PLEDGED THE PHYSICAL DECOMMISSIONING VALUE OF THE PROJECT TO COVER THAT COST.
SO IT'S A BOND BY, BY A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT NAME INSTEAD OF A, INSTEAD OF A, A FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT WITH A, WITH A BANK, THEY'VE PLEDGED THE PHYSICAL VALUE OF THE PROJECT FROM A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
SAY, SAY IT'S $10 MILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT SITTING OUT THERE AND IT, AND THE END OF THE PROJECT, WHO IS RESPON? IS THE COUNTY RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT DECOMMISSIONING OR IS A A S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN THE DECOMMISSIONING BUSINESS.
WHAT, WHO, WHO'S PHYSICALLY GONNA STEP IN AND SALVAGE THIS MATERIAL, SELL IT ON EBAY OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO IF UNDER THE HYPOTHETICAL WHERE A ES COMPLETELY WENT AWAY, RIGHT, THE DECOMMISSIONING AGREEMENT WAS IN PLACE, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE FULL VALUE OF THAT EQUIPMENT.
MEANING THEY COULD CONTRACT WITH A SALVAGE COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU GET THIS STUFF OUTTA HERE, YOU CAN HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, SELL THE EQUIPMENT.
WE'RE GONNA SHARE IN THE SHARE IN THE VALUE THE, THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF IS THE SECURITY.
SO IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE CASH IN THE FIELD.
SO, BUT ALL THIS IS SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION.
AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS, YOU KNOW, DECOMMISSIONING VALUES CHANGE OVER TIME.
THE VALUE OF EQUIPMENT TENDS TO GO DOWN OVER TIME.
SO COUNTIES CAN PUT PROTECTIONS IN
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PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THE DECOMMISSIONING COST ESTIMATE IS UPDATED PERIODICALLY.MOST COUNTIES DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE, THAT SALVAGE VALUE IS INCLUDED AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO BOND POSTED IN THE EVENT THAT THAT SALVAGE VALUE DIPS BELOW THE COST OF DECOMMISSION.
THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME IN WITH A BOND OR A LETTER OF CREDIT TO, TO MAKE THE COUNTY HOLD.
SO THERE'S A HUGE VARIETY AND I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A ES IS WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON THIS, SO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR? WELL, I GUESS I GOT ONE MORE.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IMPERVIOUS SOIL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY YES.
BUT ANYWAY,
AND SO I HEARD YOU SAY A MINUTE AGO THAT Y'ALL BEEN TALKING TO THE COUNTY SINCE EARLY OF 2023.
THAT'S NOT REALLY, I MEAN, WHEN I SAY EARLY STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, I'M, I'M THINKING A HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY ROUGHED IN, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, YOU DON'T EVEN OWN IT YET.
SO I, I KNOW YOU GOT COST INVOLVED WITH PERMITTING AND PREPARATION AND ALL THAT.
SO I GUESS I DON'T AGREE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S KINDA ALMOST LIKE IT'S A FOREGONE CONCLUSION WHEN THEY DID CAVALIER THAT THEY WERE GONNA COME IN AND DO THIS AND THEY JUST STARTED ROLLING ON THROUGH IT AND, YOU KNOW, ADVANCED.
I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE IN THAT ADVANCED STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THAT, THAT'S JUST ME AS ONE COMMISSIONER.
UH, TRY, TRY TO BE BRIEF, BUT I GUESS NUMBER ONE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING WE'RE NOT DOING THIS OR WE, WE ARE NOT USING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AS WE LOOK AT THE STORM WATER HERE.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE AT AN ADVANCED STAGE, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE OF VIRGINIA DEQ AND VIRGINIA.
DEQ IN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE STORM WATER AUTHORITY FOR SURREY COUNTY.
I'M FOLLOWING THEIR GUIDANCE FOR THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE Q POSITION AND THE FILING WE HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, I WOULD SUGGEST THE CAVALIER PROJECT WAS BUILT USING THE SAME GUIDANCE OR SIMILAR GUIDANCE.
UH, WE HAVE HAD NO VIOLATIONS, NO NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS FROM DEQ ON THAT PROJECT IN THE TWO YEARS THAT, THAT, THAT PROJECT'S BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE COME IN AS WE DEVELOP THESE PROJECTS, WE GRADE, WE SEED BEFORE WE COME IN AND DO MECHANICAL WORK.
UH, AND THAT HELPS ASSURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING AGAINST ANY TYPES OF RUNOFF.
UM, SO WE BELIEVE THAT USING THE GUIDANCE APPROVED BY DEQ, WHICH IS THE STORM WATER AUTHORITY, AND BY ADDING THIS EXTRA STEP AS FAR AS VEGETATIVE BEFORE MECHANICALS, THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THE DESIRED EFFECT AND WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT WITH LESS GRADING AND LESS EARTH WORK THAN IS GONNA BE REQUIRED.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THE COUNTY WOULD LOOK FOR.
UM, GREG, UM, ARE YOU GONNA BE ADDING ADDITIONAL WATER COLLECTION AREAS ON THESE PARCELS? UH, SO I THINK IF, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, YOU'RE QUESTIONING WHETHER WE WOULD USE THE STORMWATER THAT'S IN PLACE FOR CAVALIER AS PART OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
SO YEAH, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD BE DESIGNED, BUILT, PERMITTED THE SAME AS A, AS A SINGULAR PROJECT, ALL ITS OWN FREE STANDING.
UH, AND SO WE WILL BUILD STORM WATER RETENTION BASINS AS NEEDED, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE CAVALIER PROJECT.
WILL, ARE YOU GOING TO LOCATE THOSE IN THE BUFFER AREAS OR ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THEM THE WAY THAT IT'S INSIDE OF THE BUFFER? SO THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE INSIDE FENCE.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, OUR REQUIREMENT.
THAT ALL OF THAT'S INSIDE THE FENCE LINE AND THE FENCE CANNOT BE IN THE BUFFER AREA.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE NOISE.
LET'S TALKS ABOUT NOISE DAMPENING EQUIPMENT.
UM, WHAT IS THAT? SO NOISE STAMPING EQUIPMENT INVERTERS ARE BUILT WITH, UH, THE BEST WAY I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
INVERTERS ARE BUILT WITH A SKIN
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ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO BUILT WITH HOODS.UM, SO YOU CAN HAVE A HOOD ON THERE, YOU CAN HAVE VARIOUS TYPES OF SKIN, UH, OR YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SHIELDING FROM THE ELEMENTS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY USE FOR NOISE DAMPENING BASICALLY, IF YOU JUST WANNA THINK OF IT AS INSULATION.
SO DO YOU KNOW, UM, HOW MUCH IT WILL REDUCE THE NOISE WITH THIS DAMPENING? UH, I DO NOT.
IT CAN VARY, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MULTIPLE DECIBELS.
SO THEN ALSO TALKING ABOUT DECIBELS SHOULD SAY IN THERE, IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH ABOUT NOT EXCEEDS, EXCEED DECIBELS AS MEASURED AT ANY ADJACENT NON-PARTICIPATING PROPERTY LINE.
SO IS IT, IS IT 60 AT THE LINE OR IS IT 60 AT THE SOURCE? SO, UH, AND I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER CHIEF, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
I ASSUME THAT HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF OUR NARRATIVE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THIS IS, SORRY.
IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR CONDITION, SUGGESTED CONDITIONS.
YEAH, SO THIS WOULD BE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO 60 DECIBELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
CURRENT ORDINANCE, UH, DOES NOT HAVE ANY REFERENCE TO DECIBEL LEVEL.
SO WE THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO PUT A MEASURABLE IN THERE, 60 DECIBELS WE DREW FROM, UH, NEIGHBORING ISLE OF WHITE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A CONSISTENT LEVEL AROUND THE PROJECT.
MR. CRESWELL, UH, HOW CLOSE IS THE, UH, UM, UH, HOW, WHERE'S THE CLOSEST HOUSE IN, IN IN, UM, TO THIS PROJECT? UH, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT KNOWING EXACT DISTANCES, YOU HAVE REALLY THREE AREAS OF RESIDENCE.
UM, YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED ON BEACH LINDA ROAD.
UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY THE CLOSEST AS FAR AS AN ACCESS POINT INVERTERS THAT WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW WOULD BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 750 FEET FROM THE STRUCTURE.
WE KNOW WE CAN DO THAT WITH OUR DESIGN WETLANDS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE WETLANDS ARE SET UP AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND THEN 500 FEET MINIMUM FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO WITH A DECIBEL READER WOULD BE AT A MINIMUM 60 AT 500 FEET OR AT, PARDON ME, AT A MAXIMUM 60 DECIBELS I GUESS, THROUGH THE BOARD.
UM, HAS ANYBODY ELSE VISITED ANY OF THE SITES, ANY OF THE OTHER SITES PRIOR TO ANY APPROVALS? I HAVEN'T.
I'VE RODE PAST DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THINGS, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO, NOT, NOT ANY OF THE SITES AS THEY WERE GOING THROUGH ON A TOUR.
MR. CRESWELL DID TAKE ME ON A TOUR.
WAS IT NICE? UM, WE HAD A LIST OF COMPLAINTS FROM, UH, RESIDENTS AND HE, UH, WAS VERY KIND TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT AND TRY TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE.
AND DEPENDING ON THE PLEASURE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE ACCOMPLISHED.
THE UM, COMMENT THAT I GOT, I GUESS IS, UM, ON PAGE ONE OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE, UM, LANDSCAPING NUMBER TWO BUFFERS AND, AND THAT, UM, PRINT HERE SAYS SUCH TREES SHALL BE AT LEAST FIVE FOOT TALL AT THE TIME OF PLANNING AND EXPECT TO GROWTH TO A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 20 FEET WITHIN 10 YEARS.
BUT THEN ON NARRATIVE, UH, PROJECT, IN THE PROJECT NARRATIVE, UH, NO PRIOR TO THAT IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, I JUST HAD THAT YOU'RE GONNA PLANT TREES FOUR FOOT TALL INTO A GROWTH OF 10 FEET, I MEAN SEVEN FEET BUFFERS AND LANDSCAPING.
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS AND, AND GOING BACK THE, THE APPLICANTS DID TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT HOW THEY CAN, UM, BETTER THE CONDITIONS.
SO THEY, THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE NARRATIVE WHERE THEY CHANGED THE CONDITIONS.
AND THAT WAS MOST, WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT IS TO, TO, TO LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS AND PROVIDE BETTER, BETTER, UH, WAYS TO MITIGATE THE PROJECT.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID.
AND, AND THAT, THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT YOU GUYS WERE GONNA STICK THERE AS WELL.
BUT, BUT THE, THE CONDITIONS WERE THE SUPER, THE CONDITIONS WAS SUPERSEDE WHAT WAS IN THE NARRATIVE, BUT THE NARRATIVE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SENT BACK TO US SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
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THEY CHANGED THESE CONDITIONS, UH, LAST MONTH.SO THEY'RE GONNA PLANT THE FIVE FOOT TREES.
IT WOULD FIVE BE FIVE FOOT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR CEP IS SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU THEY WOULD BE HELD TO.
SO IN MY PACKET I'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT CUP CONDITION PAPERS.
ONE SAYS SURREY COUNTY REVISED CUP CONDITION ONE SAYS SURREY COUNTY REVISED RELINE CUP CONDITION.
IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD SIR RED RED LINE.
BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS, UM, IT WAS SHOWING YOU THE CONDITIONS BUT IT WAS SHOWING YOU THE RED LINE WAS SHOWING YOU WHERE THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.
YEAH, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME CONDITIONS.
HEY, AND UH, JUST TO COME BACK TO MR. BOX'S QUESTION IN POINT, UM, I'D REITERATE THERE WILL BE EXISTING VEGETATION YOU WILL NOT NEED, UH, NEW BUFFERS PLANTED IN THESE.
SO IF YOU GO OUT, LOOK AT THE SITE, YOU'VE GOT TREES ALREADY THERE IN PLACE SO THAT THIS PROJECT CAN BE SCREENED FROM DAY ONE.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO REVIEW THAT WITH COUNTY STAFF AND MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A QUESTION, WE'LL ADDRESS IT.
'CAUSE I GUESS I, MY COMMENT ON THAT IS I GO UP MILL SWAMP ROAD TO THE PROJECT YOU GOT ALREADY THERE AND YOU TAKE A LEFT THERE AND GO BACK TO THE SUBSTATION THERE ALL THE WAY.
UM, WHAT'S THE ROAD GOING BACK TO WOOD SMITHFIELD, BUT ANYWAY, SIX 20.
IT'S UM, THE BUFFER THAT'S IN PLACE THERE AND AND THAT'S IN, I GUESS THAT'S IN ALL WHITE COUNTY, CORRECT.
SO DO Y'ALL HAVE, DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN MODEL WASTE AREA ON CAVALIER? THERE ARE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ON SMORE CROSS WOULD BE THE SAME STANDARDS.
THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S DIFFERENT STANDARDS ON FENCING THAT STILL WITHIN BETWEEN SURY AND OLIVE WHITE.
BUT ON THE VEG BUFFER WE CAN TRY TO TAKE WHICHEVER'S MORE STRINGENT AND MAKE THAT WORK.
WHAT I MEAN, SIR, YOU GONNA DO SIR, IS, I MEAN THIS PART HERE BECAUSE UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, I HATE TO SAY IT, I GET THE IMPRESSION ALL THE WHITE DIDN'T REALLY STIPULATE THEIR BRUSH.
UH, THEY WEREN'T VERY AS, UM, DON'T WANT TO SAY CONCERNED AS WE ARE, BUT THE BUFFER AND UH, 'CAUSE I MEAN SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT BUFFERED PRETTY WELL AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HAVE BEEN UM, KIND OF WANTING A, A THICKER AND LONGER BUFFER TO 25 FOOT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT, YEAH.
AND THEY'VE DONE THE SAME SINCE AND UPDATED THEIR ORDINANCES AS WELL.
SO I JUST YEP, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH.
I THINK WE ALSO SAID THAT EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE EXISTING VEGETATION, WE WANTED SOME BUFFER.
'CAUSE MR. LUDFORD LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ONE IN SPRING ROAD AND NOW THAT THE TREE, I MEAN THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT 40 FOOT PINE TREES ARE THERE, IT'S WIDE OPEN.
I MEAN THEY, THEY SHELTERED THE VEGETATION DOWN BELOW AND THERE'S NO BUFFER THERE NOW.
AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD, WE HAD DISCUSSED MM-HMM
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF UM, NOT, I'LL ASK IF WE, UH, OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UH, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO I KNEW I WAS GONNA LOOK, YOU GET TO CALL HIM SOMEBODY ELSE SAID.
AND, UH, AND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND MR. HARDY IS GOT YOU ON THE TIMECLOCK TIMEKEEPER.
I SAID I'M NATHANIEL LEE SMITH OF SMITHFIELD.
I'M DISTRICT FIVE BOTTLE OF WHITE, BUT GOOD EVENING, EVELYN.
WHEN IT'S COME OUT TONIGHT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I NEVER GIVEN MUCH THOUGHT TO SOLAR PANELS BEFORE AND I'M GONNA, SO I'M, BUT ONE DAY WHEN HEADING HOME, THERE WAS A BIG ORANGE SIGN WITH NO LEFT TURN SYMBOL AND I THOUGHT, WELL, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET HOME? AND I SAW ANOTHER SIGN THAT SAID LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY CALM DOWN BECAUSE I WAS LOCAL TRAFFIC AFTER ALL.
BUT THEN I THOUGHT, WHY LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY? THAT'S WHEN I SAW A THIRD SIGN THAT SAID SOLAR SITE.
I STARTED RESEARCHING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
NOW I FOUND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND ON IT.
IT SURE IS GREAT TO SEE SOME INNOVATION IN THIS COUNTY INSTEAD OF SEEING MORE HOUSES, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND APARTMENTS GOING UP.
AND THIS INNOVATION ISN'T THE TYPE TO BUILD A TOWN AROUND.
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TO PRESERVE ALL OF WHITE COUNTY AND SURREY COUNTY'S SHARED RURAL HERITAGE CULTURE AND IDENTITY.I KNOW SOME CRITICS ARE SAYING IT'S GOING TO TAKE OVER A THOUSAND ACRES OF LAND AWAY, BUT IT'S, IT PROJECT ISN'T TAKING AWAY THE LAND LAND'S GOING TO BE THERE, THEY'LL JUST HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON IT.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO FLOOD THE PLACE LIKE DOMINION ENERGY DID UP SPOTSYLVANIA WAY TO MAKE FOR LAKE ANNA FOR A NUCLEAR POWER FACILITY THAT TRULY IS 13,000 ACRES OF LAND GONE.
NOW I HAVE HEARD SKEPTICS SAY, WHAT IF A HAILSTORM COMES THROUGH? NOW I WILL ADMIT, SOMETIMES THEY DO.
WE'VE ONLY JUST GOT THE HOUSE PAINTED A FEW WEEKS AGO SINCE THE LAST ONE CAME THROUGH A FEW YEARS AGO AND KNOCKED THAT PAINT OFF.
BUT ANYWAY, THE SKEPTICS SAY, WHAT IF A HAILSTORM COMES THROUGH AND BREAKS THE PANELS OPEN AND CHEMICALS START OOZING OUT AND THEN THOSE CHEMICALS GET IN THE WELL WATER TO THAT.
I'LL SAY THIS, WE'VE NEVER ONCE HAD A HAILSTORM BREAK ANY WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE OR THE AUTOMOBILES, INCLUDING THE WINDSHIELDS EVER BEEN BROKE OR CRACKED AND ALL THE VEHICLES SIT OUTSIDE AND A AS CORPORATION SOLAR PANELS HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH QUALITY GLASS THAT WILL WITHSTAND A STORM, I'M SURE, BUT FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, THE CHEMICALS DID.
WHOS OUT? I DO NOT SEE HOW THAT COMPARES TO ALL THE CHEMICALS.
FARMERS HAVE BEEN SPRAYING ON FIELDS FOR DECADES.
AND I'LL TELL YOU NOW THAT STUFF HAS BEEN GETTING IN WELLS.
YOU'VE, AND YOU'VE BEEN DRINKING IT UNLESS YOU FILTER YOUR WATER LIKE I DO AND I DO TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM THE FARMER'S CHEMICALS.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT WATER CONTAMINATION IS TO GET A WATER FILTER.
NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE COMPANY THAT HAS MADE THIS APPLICATION A ES CORPORATION.
A ES IS HEADQUARTERED IN COMMONWEALTH.
THEY'RE NOT SOMEHOW STATE COMPANY COMING IN FOR A MONEY GRAB AND HIGH TAILING IT OUT HERE, SELLING THE SITE DOMINION ENERGY.
THEY INTEND TO RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE SITE AND OPERATE AND MAINTAIN IT THROUGH ITS ENTIRE LIFETIME.
AND I'M SURE THEY'LL HAVE HIGH STANDARDS BECAUSE VIRGINIA IS THEIR HOME TOO.
THAT IS WHY I SUPPORT SYCAMORE CROSS SOLAR.
I CERTAINLY HOPE Y'ALL DO TOO.
UM, NEXT IS MR. VINCENT FIELD.
VINCE BILL BEACONS CASTLE DISTRICT.
I HAVE BEEN RIGHT THERE AT SOLAR FARM CENTRAL SINCE DAY ONE ON BELLEVUE ROAD AND A ES HAS DONE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, BUT TELL THE TRUTH OR DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
THEY HAVE WRAPPED US UP WITH NOISE, DUST, DEBRIS AND EVERYTHING.
HAD A MEETING WITH US ON A THURSDAY ON A FRIDAY MORNING AND WITHIN TWO HOURS OF THE MEETING THEY WERE RIGHT BACK AT IT AGAIN, DUSTIN AND SPRAYING OUR HOUSE DOWN.
IT TOOK ME ALL WEEKEND ON MEMORIAL WEEKEND TO CLEAN MY HOUSE AND ALL TO HAVE MY BARBECUE ON MONDAY.
SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY MORE SOLAR.
BEACHLAND ROAD, WHITE MARSH ROAD, THE DITCHES ARE STILL FULL OF ROCK AND STUFF.
AS SOON AS IT STARTS GETTING WET UP THERE, IT'S GONNA FLOOD AGAIN.
WE'LL BE FIGHTING ALL OF THAT ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER SOLAR PANEL.
NOWHERE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, LET ALONE SIR.
SUSAN VELA, UH, CLAREMONT DISTRICT.
I HAVE MY NOTES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I HAD TWO TOPICS I WAS GONNA SAY, BUT AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYTHING, IT SPAN IT OUT.
UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I, I HEARD, UM, MR. COGGINS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DECOMMISSIONING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IN LAYMAN'S TERM.
TO ME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE COUNTY WOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AT ALL ON A SOLAR PANEL ON DECOMMISSIONING.
I DON'T SEE WHY THE COUNTY SHOULD HAVE ANY KIND OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
IF ANOTHER COMPANY IS PUTTING IT IN THERE, UM, STORM WATER.
DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN THERE, WHY IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THIS APPROVAL EVEN GOES ANY FURTHER.
UM, THE CONDITIONS ON THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC NOT BEING CLEAR.
I DO RECALL WITH CAVALIER THAT WHEN THEY SAID THIS STAR WHERE THEIR LITTLE STAGING AREA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AND ALL THE TRAFFIC WAS SUPPOSED TO COME THERE, BE ESCORTED IN TO ALL THESE OTHER PLACES AND CONTINUOUSLY FOR MONTHS THE ROCK DELIVERIES WERE COMING UP, WHITE MARSH.
AND WHEN IT WAS ADDRESSED, NOBODY DID ANYTHING.
ROCKS STILL CAME UP BRIGHT MARSH.
SO THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE A STAGING AREA.
WELL, IT DIDN'T WORK PROPERLY THE FIRST TIME.
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GONNA WORK PROPERLY THIS TIME EITHER.UM, THE TREES THAT, UM, YOU WERE SAYING ARE IN PLACE ALREADY THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT ANY KIND OF BARRIER UP AS.
UH, WHO STATED THE TREE SITUATION? MR. COGA.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT STRATAS, THERE'S PINES.
PINES GROW TALL AND AT THE BOTTOM IT'S BARE.
IF YOU HAVE OAKS, MAPLES SOMETIMES GREAT BECAUSE THEY'RE FULL.
SOON AS THE WINTER COMES AND THE LEAVES FALL, IT'S BARE AND YOU SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH IT.
SO ANY TREES THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE, YOU STILL NEED TO PUT A BARRIER UP.
UM, UH, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS, UM, CONCERNING TO THE CITIZENS, ONE THING WAS THE TRAFFIC ON WHITE MARSH ROAD AND IT TOOK TILL THE END OF THE PROJECT BEFORE A ES CONFRONTED AND GOT THE IN 30 SECONDS SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT INVOLVED.
AND THOSE TOPICS WERE ADDRESSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR PROJECT AND NOTHING WAS EVER DONE.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS THAT WILL SAY IF THERE IS THINGS GOING ON THAT ARE VIOLATING THIS AGREEMENT, WE SHUT 'EM DOWN, PERIOD.
THERE'S ONE LITTLE STATEMENT THAT MS. CHEEK STATED LAST TIME IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE CIP.
THERE IS A SENTENCE IN THERE THAT SAYS GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.
THAT'S TIME MR. MR. C FOR ALL CITIZENS.
AND THAT'S ALL CITIZENS, NOT JUST THE PORTION.
IN 31 THEY ALSO SAID WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR IMPROVEMENT AREA.
THE REST OF THE COUNTY, MS. CARO, THAT'S TIME.
MY NAME IS AMY HOWELL FROM THE BACONS CASTLE DISTRICT.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF MY HUSBAND WHO HAD TO WORK AND MYSELF.
I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST SOLAR OR FOR SOLAR, BUT TO SHARE WITH YOU, UM, A ES PROMOTES THEMSELVES AS BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND TO SHARE WITH YOU THE RESULTS OF THAT FOR OUR FAMILY.
IN 2017, WE MOVED TO MY HUSBAND'S FARM NEXT DOOR TO HIS PARENTS.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON MULLET DRIVE AND WE ARE AT THE END OF STATE HIGHWAY 6 84.
THIS DECISION WAS FUELED BY THE DESIRE FOR A PEACEFUL, QUIET COUNTRY LIVING WHERE WE COULD RAISE CATTLE.
AS MANY GENERATIONS BEFORE MY HUSBAND HAD DONE THIS PROPERTY HAS PRIMARILY ONLY THE TRAFFIC OF THE NINE RESIDENTS.
THIS LAND WAS NOT GIFTED TO US.
WE GLADLY MADE THE CHOICE TO PURCHASE IT AND WORK TO PAY A MORTGAGE EACH MONTH AND ACHIEVE OUR DREAM OF A QUIET LIFE.
THIS LAND IS OUR EARTHLY SANCTUARY AND REFUGE.
IN AUGUST, 2021, A ES PURCHASED THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO OURS.
SOON AFTER OUR FAMILY WAS APPROACHED REGARDING SELLING THE SOLAR AND THAT WAS JUST NOT THE BEST OPTION FOR US.
THIS NIGHTMARE BEGAN WHEN MY HUSBAND'S PARENTS RECEIVED PAPERWORK COMPLETE WITH HIGHLIGHTING AND SIGN HERE TABS BY THE PREVIOUS LANDOWNER WHO WAS AN ATTORNEY.
THAT PAPERWORK WAS AN EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE AN OLDER COUPLE INTO SIGNING OFF A RIGHT OF WAY ON THEIR PROPERTY.
TWO THINGS WERE AN ISSUE HERE.
MY IN-LAWS NO LONGER OWN THE PROPERTY WE DID, AND THEY BY NO WAY ARE STUPID OLD COUNTRY PEOPLE AND SOUGHT THEIR ATTORNEY WHILE THEY HAD A ES HAD ACCESS TO THEIR NEWLY PURCHASED PROPERTY THAT THEY COULD HAVE DEVELOPED.
THEY CHOOSE TO PURSUE THE RIGHT OF WAY USING OUR PROPERTY.
OUR EXCESS IS A DIRT PATH THAT FOR GENERATIONS WAS USED VIA GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT BY A FARMER WHO RENTED THE LAND.
MY HUSBAND AND I CONTINUE TO HONOR THAT THIS ACCESS WAS USED FOR FARMING PURPOSES ONLY, BUT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR HEAVY EQUIPMENT, TRACTOR TRAILERS OR VEHICLES NEEDED FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT.
A ES APPROACHED US TWICE MORE WITH FURTHER OFFERS THAT WE DECLINED IN DECEMBER OF 20 21, 30 SECOND MISSON.
WE WERE SERVED PAPERS BY S COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
A ES WAS SUING US FOR THE USE OF OUR LAND WHEN THEY HAD ACCESS.
A ES SAYS THEY HAVE THREE ACCESSES.
UM, MR. GRISWOLD, CHRIS GAL, SORRY, HAS COME
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TO OUR HOME BEFORE THE ALL O WHITE, UM, MEETINGS AND MET WITH MY HUSBAND.BUT AS YOU'VE HEARD EARLIER, SYCAMORE CROSS AND CAVALIER ARE TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, AND WE'VE HEARD NO FURTHER THIS TIME INFORMATION FROM A ES ABOUT USING OUR EXCESS.
UH, I'M OUTTA WHITE RESIDENCE, UH, BUT WE OWN PROPERTY AND, UH, AND WHITEHALL TRAIL WHERE MILL SWAMP ROAD IS BEING CONSIDERED PART.
THIS PROJECT IS, I BELIEVES, AREA RAID NUMBER ONE IS PRIMARILY, BUT I'M A FARMER.
MY FAMILY AND I, WE'VE FARMED OUR GENERATIONS AND WE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW COMMISSIONER BERRYMAN'S A FARMER AND, AND A GOOD ONE AT THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A FARMER, WE, THE LAST THING WE WANTED TO DO WAS, YOU KNOW, GET IN THE SOLAR BUSINESS, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD SOME VALID CONCERNS ABOUT A ES, BUT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THEY CAME TO US AND AT FIRST WE JUST LIKE, OH, WE DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THAT.
THIS, THE FARMER THAT WAS NOW PART OF THE CAVALIER INDUSTRIAL, UH, SOLAR PROJECT IS VERY NICE FARM, VERY PRODUCTIVE FARM, AND WE JUST REALLY HATED TO DO IT, BUT IT WAS REALLY THE BEST OPTION FOR US AND THE WHOLE FAMILY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE CAME TO US AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID SOME INVESTIGATING AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT A GOOD TRACK RECORD ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY'VE TOLD US THEY WOULD DO, AND THEY'VE KEPT UP THEIR WORD ON WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO.
AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S, HEY, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.
CAVALIER WAS A BIG PROJECT, AND THEY'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE IT GO SMOOTHER.
AND, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH 'EM.
AND HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN SEE THE, YOU KNOW, GET ALL YOUR CONCERNS ADDRESSED.
AND I'M SURE THEY'LL WORK HARD TO DO IT.
BUT THEY'RE NOT JUST A FLY BY NIGHT COMPANY THAT IS BASED IN NEW YORK.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE A VIRGINIA COMPANY THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN PROPERTY AND LEASE AGREEMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS, THE CITIZENS IS THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY'RE LEASING THE A ES, AND IT'S A GOOD THING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO, ANYWAY, BUT THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE.
UH, NEXT IS MS. KIM LOWRY EVENING.
HOW YOU DOING? UH, JAMES KIM LOWRY BEACHLAND ROAD.
SO, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THESE SOLAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WE ARE AGAINST IT UNLESS THE, UH, CONDITIONS ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTS ARE MADE MORE, UH, AWARE OF HOW THEY CAN HELP THE COUNTY ENFORCE THESE CONDITIONS.
LIKE ALL OF US HERE, WE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN SURREY COUNTY FOR COUNTRY LIVING AND BREATHE FRESH AIR, NATURE, LESS NOISE, PEACE AND QUIET, LISTENING TO THE BIRDS AND THE MOVES OF THE COWS.
WE HAVE ENDURED TWO YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION WITH CAVALIER SOLAR AND HAD, UH, HIGH HOPES THAT IT WAS ALL COMING TO AN END AROUND US TO THINK WE HAVE TO ENDURE ANOTHER TWO YEARS AT THE SAME UNBEARABLE.
I DON'T SEE ANY COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM GRANTING THE CONTINUAL USE PERMIT, ONLY THE CONTINUED SUFFERING OF RESIDENTS WHO DID NOT CHOOSE TO HAVE ALL THESE BURDENS PUT UPON THEM, BUT HAVE HAD DONE SO WITHOUT COMPLAINING.
HOW WILL THIS BE DIFFERENT? WE SENT AN EMAIL, UH, ADDRESSING OUR CONCERNS.
NOISE, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT RUNNING SIX DAYS A WEEK ALL DAY LONG.
I LOOK TO ENJOY MY DOORS ON HOME ON SATURDAY, BUT THEY, BUT THEY'RE WORKING THE DAY TWO FROM SEVEN TO FIVE.
CONSTANT HUMMING CAN BE HEARD FROM THE OUTSIDE MAY WITHIN APPROVAL DECIMAL LEVELS.
HOWEVER, AS A RESIDENCE OF THE COUNTY, I'VE LOST MY RIGHT TO QUIET ENJOYMENT.
I CAN NO LONGER SIT OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THE PEACE AND QUIET OR THE CPU DISTANCE.
FAR ENOUGH IS THE DECIMALS ALLOW TOO HIGH TRAFFIC AND ROADS.
THE CONTRACTOR DOES NOT SLOW AND SHOW ANY CONCERNS FOR OUR SAFETY TO DRIVE TOO FAST, THEY PULL OUT FROM THE SIDE ENTRANCE WITHOUT LOOKING.
MY DAUGHTER WAS A VICTIM OF ROAD RAGE INCIDENT.
THERE ARE 18 WHEELERS, LOGGING TRUCKS DRIVING NARROW ROADS, MAKING IMPOSSIBLE TO MANEUVER SAFELY, MAILBOXES KNOCKED OVER.
FURTHER, THE DIRT GETS STIRRED UP FROM
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THE ROADS.SO THE FIX WAS TO HAVE A TRUCK SPRAY WATER, WHICH OF COURSE MADE MUD NO BETTER.
IT IS A WASTE OF OUR MONEY TO WASH OUR CARS.
SO THEN, THEN THEY PUT GRAVEL ON THE ROAD SIDE OF THE ROADS, AND THAT MADE THINGS WORSE.
CHIPS IN OUR WINDSHIELD, CHIPS IN OUR PAINT, AIR QUALITY, PERSONAL BELONGINGS, BURNING, CUTTING OF THE TREES AND BURNING THEM HAS CREATED SMOKE AND TRAVELS TO OUR RESIDENCE.
IT MAKES AIR UNHEALTHY TO BREATHE.
OUR OUTDOOR FURNITURE SMELLS, SMOKE, APPEARANCE, MAINTENANCE AND TRASH.
THE ENTRANCE RATE, THE SOLAR FIELDS LOOK TERRIBLE AND EYESORE.
CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE ANY HEIGHT LIMIT FLAGS? 30 SECONDS, SIR.
ADDING FOR THE LIMIT OF, UH, LIMITING THE FIELD, MORE TRASH IN OUR DITCHES AND STREETS WITH RAIN, PUSHES ALL THE TRASH OUT OF THE DITCHES INTO THE ROADWAY.
SIGNS FLOODING HAPPENS NEAR THE ACCESS ENTRANCE OF, UH, BEACHLAND AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RUNS, SIDES OF THE ROAD AND RUNS DOWN IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSES, UH, AND INTO THE SWAMP.
BEING IN THE DITCH, BEING THAT THE DITCH WAS NEVER FIXED IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE.
THE WATER RUNS DOWN THE DITCH CARRYING ALL THE DEBRIS.
SO WE'VE HAD AN 18 WHEELER IN OUR, OUR DITCH LINE THAT'S NEVER BEEN FIXED IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
STILL, WE'VE COMPLAINED TWICE NOW AND STILL HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
AND THEN I'LL LET YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME.
UM, SURREY PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND SURREY RESIDENTS AND LEADERS.
MY NAME IS TARA OSA AND I, UH, OWN A COMPANY CALLED TERRA SCAPES.
AS MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING IN OCTOBER WHEN I WAS HERE.
I'M A NATIVE OF HAMPTON ROADS, AND MY FAMILY ROOTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VESTED IN RURAL VIRGINIA AS WE HAVE A FARM IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA.
TONIGHT I COME TO YOU TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF POSITIVE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH OF CLEAN ENERGY IN VIRGINIA.
THE SURREY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD NOT HINDER CLEAN ENERGY DEVELOPMENT IN VIRGINIA BY DENYING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS BECAUSE OF AN ARBITRARY CAP.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE PROJECTS GET RUSHED THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE, AND THEN THE FEEDBACK PROCESS DUE TO A RACE TO FIT UNDER A CAP.
THIS WOULD CAUSE THE BEST PROJECTS TO BE DENIED AND THE FASTEST PROJECTS TO BE RUSHED THROUGH AND PERMITTED.
YOU ARE TRUSTED LEADERS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, AND YOU SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EACH PROJECT ON THEIR MERITS AND PUSH FOR THE BEST, MOST THOUGHTFUL AND WELL-PLANNED PROJECTS TO COME TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
AS WELL THOUGHT OUT, SOLAR PROJECTS ARE DEVELOPED AND BUILT AND OPERATE IN SURREY COUNTY.
THEY WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY IN SURREY AT LARGE BY PROVIDING LONG-TERM REVENUES WHILE MAINTAINING THE AGRICULTURAL VALUE OF THE LAND FOR FUTURE USE.
THERE ARE NO PEER REVIEWED STUDIES THAT STATE SOLAR CONTAMINATES THE SOIL AND OR FARMLAND BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ACREAGE CAPS, LIKE THE ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, UM, LEADS DEVELOPERS OF ALL INDUSTRIES TO VIEW SURREY COUNTY AS A PLACE WITH AN ANTI-BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
THERE ARE ALREADY EXAMPLES OF THE ENERGY COMPANIES HALTING THEIR INVESTMENTS AS A RESULT OF THIS TYPE OF SOLAR RESTRICTION IN RURAL COMMUNITIES AND COUNTIES LIKE SURREY.
THEY DON'T BECOME MORE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS AND REVENUE THAT COMES FROM SOLAR FARMS, THEN UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A PUSHBACK AND A BYPASS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND HAVE ENERGY PROJECTS APPROVED AT THE STATE LEVEL.
VIRGINIA NEEDS MORE SOLAR, WIND AND MORE BATTERY STORAGE TO SATISFY NOT ONLY THE VIRGINIA CLEAN ECONOMY ACT, AND WE SIMPLY NEED TO GENERATE MORE POWER TO KEEP UP WITH OUR DEMANDS IN VIRGINIA.
WE KNOW THAT WE ARE THE DATA DATA CENTER CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES, AND A LOT OF THESE TECH COMPANIES AND THE STATE AREN'T GOING TO LIKE IT IF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY GOT 30 SECONDS.
DEVELOPMENT IS STALLED BECAUSE RURAL COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA ARE PUTTING UP RESISTANCE TO SOLAR FARMS. WE KNOW THIS DEVELOPMENT OF MORE SOLAR, WIND, AND BATTERY PUTS MORE PRESSURE ON RURAL COUNTIES LIKE SURREY TO MAKE THE BEST ECONOMIC DECISIONS WHILE ENSURING THE RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL LANDSCAPE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE WE ALL CALL HOME.
IN CONCLUSION, WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL COMPLY WITH THE CLEAN ECONOMY ACT AND THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION THE BEST, UH, WELL THOUGHT OUT THIS TIME PLANNED PROJECTS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MAY I SPEAK? YES, MARK? YES.
GOT THREE MINUTES AND YES, SIR.
I GOT HERE A LITTLE BIT LATE AND, AND GET IT.
DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SIGN UP.
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AND I LIVE IN SMITHFIELD.I HAVE A FARM THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE SOLAR PANELS IN ALL WHITE COUNTY.
MY FAMILY'S BEEN AROUND FOR 340 YEARS.
WE TAKE PRIDE IN THE LAND THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THOSE YEARS.
HOWEVER, FARM AND TODAY ON A SMALL BASIS, PRESENTS A CHALLENGE AS FAR AS INCOME IS CONCERNED.
FARMING CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, WHEN APPROACHED ABOUT PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON IT, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE WOULD NEVER HAVE TO PRESERVE WITH THREE CHILDREN, FIVE GRANDCHILDREN, AND SIX GREAT GRANDCHILDREN, WE INTEND TO BE AROUND FOR A LOT OF GENERATIONS TO COME.
WE CANNOT PRESERVE THIS FARM ON FARMING ALONE.
A ES HAS BEEN VERY KIND TO ME, HAS ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
I'VE WORKED FOR THEM FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.
I HAVE SEEN THEM LISTEN TO PEOPLE.
I'VE SEEN THEM MAKE CHANGES TO PLANS TO HELP TRANSFER THE FARMLAND INTO THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
THEY ARE, ARE TRYING TO CORRECT PROBLEMS THAT CAVALIER HAS PRESENTED.
I HAVE FAITH IN THEM, AND I THINK SINCE THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE TO HELP GUIDE THE PROJECTS, OVERSEE THE PROJECTS, I WILL RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THEIR REQUEST TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO POST THEIR HEARING? NONE.
I'LL THIS TIME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIR? YES.
IF I MAKE, MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE.
UM, LIKE LISTENING TO, UH, EVERYONE TONIGHT, UM, LISTENING TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS AS WELL.
UM, I DIDN'T, UM, HARDY ASKED A QUESTION AS FAR AS, UH, VISITING SITE.
I DIDN'T ACTUALLY VISIT THE SITE.
I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A TOUR OF THE, THE, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION SITE, LIKE IF, AS FAR AS HOW THE EQUIPMENT AND THINGS WOULD GET THERE.
UM, HOWEVER, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, LISTENING TO, AGAIN, THE COMMENTS TONIGHT, SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, JUDGING ON GOOD MERITS, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF WE WERE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS TIME TO, UM, DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AS FAR AS IF WE CAN, UM, COORDINATE A, A TIME TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY VISIT THE SITE, UH, VISIT THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN TO ACTUALLY SEE EXACTLY WHAT THIS PROJECT IS DETAILING, UNDERSTAND THAT ES HAS ALREADY A PROJECT IN OUR COUNTY AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME OF US MAY BE HESITANT IN DECISIONS AND, UM, ON BASED ON, UH, PAST EXPERIENCES.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE UP HERE TO DO A JOB AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, DECISION THAT WE MAKE TONIGHT, WE'LL GET PUSHED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO I WOULD LOVE, LOVE TO SEE EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO MAKE A DECISION, IT'D BE BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, HAVING QUESTIONS OR IF WANT TO GO SEE THE SITE ITSELF TO, TO ACTUALLY WITH YOUR OWN EYES VERSUS THE, THE PRESENTATIONS.
UM, I THINK THAT'LL BE A GOOD IDEA.
SO FOR THAT, I, I THINK, UH, I, I'LL MOVE A MOTION TO TABLE IT FOR THE NEXT DECEMBER MEETING.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS SO THAT, UM, WE CAN HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
BASICALLY A, UM, A SITE VISIT.
UM, IS THERE A SECOND OR WHAT'S MR. CHAIR? I SECOND.
IT'S BEEN, UH, SECOND THAT WE, UH, TABLED THIS TO OUR NEXT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SEEN BY, BY SAYING AYE.
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AYE.UM, SO THE AYES HAVE IT RIGHT, REGINA? SO, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, PROPERLY MOVED.
SECOND THAT WE, UH, ALLOW THAT WE TABLED THIS TO OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING, WHICH IS JANUARY, I MEAN DECEMBER, DECEMBER THE 16TH IS THE NEXT MEETING DATE THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN BEGIN SETTING UP SOME SCHEDULING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND WORKING WITH A STAFF ON POSSIBLE SITE VISITS.
WHO SECOND, WHO SECONDED? MR. WOODEN.
MR. WOODEN WHO, UH, MR. PIERCE, UH, PROPOSAL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST, UM, JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR, FOR THE SITE VISITS, IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE THAN TWO OF YOU THERE, THEN IT HAS TO BE NOTICED AS A PUBLIC MEETING.
SO IF, IF YOU ALL COULD JUST, UM, LET ME KNOW AND MR. WADE, IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW AS WELL.
UM, WHATEVER NOTICES NEED TO GO OUT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
BUT AGAIN, IF THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO OF YOU THAT ARE VISITING THE SITE AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS CONSIDERED A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT THING I WANT OUR, UM, AGENDA IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOT, NOT PUBLIC HEARING, JUST PUBLIC COMMENTS IN GENERAL.
WE ASK THAT YOU, UH, COME FORWARD.
WE DOING THREE MINUTES? YEP, SIR.
WELL, I THINK, ARE WE DOING THREE MINUTES OF COMMENTS, THOUGHT PEOPLE WERE COMING, BUT WE'RE LEAVING? UH, IF NO, UH, UM, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, UM, I'D ASK MR. WADE TO DO COMMITTEE UPDATES.
UM, AS, AS, UH, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE IS AWARE, ACTUALLY FOUR OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HERE, RIGHT HERE, UM, FOR OUR ZONING SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY DID REVIEW A APPLICATION FOR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, UH, SYSTEMS, A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR THAT ONE WE RECEIVED BY THE APPLICANT.
I GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE, UM, THE, THAT APPLICATION TO, UH, TONIGHT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
AND SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WILL, WILL BRING BACK TO YOUS.
THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER THE 16TH FOR THAT, FOR, FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF ANY OF YOU COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO COMMENT ON WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR, ANY, ANY OF THE COMMENTS.
BUT, UM, THIS WAS AN APPLICATION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BEFORE WITH, WITH SOLAR BECAUSE, SO THE SOLAR ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN STAFF, UM, STAFF AND WORKING WITH STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE BEEN A BIG PART OF, OF PRESENTING THINGS.
SO, UM, NOW WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION WITH A, A DEADLINE TO HAVE AT PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS AT THAT POINT, THE DECEMBER 16TH MEETING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY, ANY OF YOU WANNA KIND OF SPEAK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN SO FAR WITH THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE BE, IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK NOW IF YOU'D LIKE MR. CHEEK.
MR. CHEEK, I DIDN'T GET TO REVIEW IT, SO, BUT WE DISCUSSED IT A LOT.
DISCUSSED IT, WE DID DISCUSS IT.
SO I THINK ONE THING THAT MR. WADE THAT I FELT LIKE ALL COMMISSIONS SHOULD BE AWARE OF, THAT IS AN ORDINANCE FOR, UM, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES.
AND IT WAS, UM, PROPOSED TO US BY AN APPLICANT.
SO THE TIMELINE OF US AS A COMMITTEE LOOKING AT IT AND AS A COMMISSION LOOKING AT IT, IS SHORTER THAN WHAT IT'S BEEN FOR OTHER STAFF AND INTERNAL ORDINANCES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF AND WHY WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER, THE 16TH.
SO, BUT HE DOES KIND OF, THEY HAVE, UM, THEY BROUGHT, UM, THEY DREW, UH, THE DRAFT FOR US FROM TWO OTHER COUNTIES, KING WILLIAM AND IS IT HANOVER TO GEORGE AND, UH, RIGHT.
SO, AND, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT DOES HAVE SIMILARITIES TO OUR SOLAR ORDINANCE IN SOME PLACES.
UM, IT IS A CUP IN AGRICULTURE M1 AND M TWO CORRECT.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP.
AND IT'S A, IT IS A, IT IS A USE TYPE THAT ALSO ALLOWS US FOR A SIGHT AGREEMENT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WILL SEE AT YOUR,
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YOUR DECEMBER THE 16TH MEETING AS WELL.NOT THE PRO, NOT THE PROJECT, NOT THE PRO, NOT THE PROJECT, NOT THE PROJECT WHERE SITE AGREEMENT, BUT THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
AND WE'D ASKED THAT YOU, UH, CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE THIS, THIS PROPOSAL OR, I MEAN THIS, I IT, IT WILL BE POSTED TO, IT WILL BE POSTED BY TOMORROW, RIGHT? YEAH.
BY, IT'LL BE POSTED BY WEDNESDAY FOR SURE.
JUST I GUESS IN SHORT SOME THINGS, IT, IT'S, IT SEEMS KIND OF VAGUE.
IT DID TO US TONIGHT IN THE MEETING ABOUT, UM, LIKE FENCING AND THE, UM, LOCATION AND, UM, EMERGENCY, UH, SERVICE AND STUFF.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BATTERIES, EVERYBODY THINK, OH GOD, THE BATTERIES, WELL, THEY'RE ENCLOSED AND, UM, THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ADD TO IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CUP TYPE DEAL, SO WE GET TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFICS ABOUT IT.
WE ARE, UH, ALSO AT THAT MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE, UH, MR. UM, PHILLIPS PHELPS COME AND, UM, HE WILL HAVE HOPEFULLY A CHANCE TO, UH, LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO, UM, TRAIN OUR FIREFIGHTERS VOLUNTEERS, UM, TO HAVE, TO ADDRESS A FIRE AT THESE FACILITIES.
AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH A FACILITY, A BATTERY STORAGE AND LIKE A C VAN CONEX UNIT.
SO UNLESS YOU, EVERYTHING, IF, IF SOMETHING GOES A, A FIRE INSIDE, THEY'VE GOT SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM THAT WILL PUT IT OUT BEFORE YOU AND DON'T OPEN THE DOOR.
UM, THAT'S WHERE YOU, UM, THE PROBLEM IS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT US TO OPEN THE DOOR, BUT THAT'S ALL IN THE FIREFIGHTING.
SO THERE'S, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, UH, ORDINANCE AND IF YOU GOT ANY COMMENTS, MAKE THEM TO MR. WADE AND STAFF A BOGO.
AND THIS, THIS ORDINANCE IS, IT WILL BE ADVERTISED, IT'LL BE ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER COME, COME WEDNESDAY.
SO IT, IT'LL, IT'LL BE PO ALSO POSTED ONLINE AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT WHAT THE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD, UM, MS. UH, MR. BROCK, MS. CHEEK, AND MR. DUBY AND MR. BERRYMAN HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION WILL BE, WILL BE ONLINE.
UM, BUT IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW HOW TO REACH ME ON THAT.
YEAH, IF I, IF I MAY, EXCUSE ME.
UH, I'M UNDER, I'M LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR RIGHT NOW AND SAYING THAT WE HAVE A, UH, UM, WHAT, LIKE THREE WEEKS INTO OUR NEXT MEETING, I WAS GONNA SEE IF WE COULD, UM, SEE IF STAFF JUST COULD PICK SOME DATES THAT WE COULD WORK FROM AND WE COULD FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND I GUESS WE HAVE A, YEAH, FOR THE VISIT, FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, A ES VISIT.
IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL WITH A S IS HERE TOO, WITH THEIR CALENDAR, IF YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDARS AVAILABLE.
SO
I'M SORRY I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, MAN.
UM, BUT I'M RIGHT, I'M JUST BEING, TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND, AND BEING CONSIDERATE WITH EVERYONE.
I'M JUST THINKING LIKE MAYBE JUST TWO, UH, NEXT WEEK, MAYBE THE TUESDAY AND THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK AS WELL AS THE FOLLOWING WEEK, THE TUESDAY AND THURSDAY, AND MAYBE WE CAN COORDINATE TIMES ON THOSE FOUR DAYS.
SO THAT WILL BE THE THIRD AND THE, UH, THE 5TH OF DECEMBER AND THE 10TH AND THE 12TH OF DECEMBER.
BUT AGAIN, I, I DIDN'T, UH, I DIDN'T MEAN, AGAIN, I'M SO, I'M SORRY TO PUT THE SPOTLIGHT LIKE THAT, BUT I JUST WELL, YOU MAKE IT EASY.
YOU MAKE IT EASY FOR US RIGHT NOW, SINCE I, I'D HAVE TO CALL EVERY, EVERY PARTY COMMISSIONER.
OKAY? YOU'RE MAKING IT EASY RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO WHAT ABOUT ALL, SO THE THIRD IS OUT, WHAT ABOUT THE FIFTH THEN? I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO WE CAN PUT FIFTH DOWN AS A DAY.
ALL RIGHT, I'M SEEING HEAD NODS.
YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 10TH, I, I HAVE A LOT MORE TIME TO, TO GET, GET THE, UH, NOTICE OUT.
IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE THAN TWO PE TWO, TWO PLAINTIFF COMMISSIONERS COMING OUT.
UH, WELL LET'S DO THIS SENSE OF NOTICE, UH, LET'S, YOU WANT TO DO MAYBE JUST THAT WEEK, THE 10TH, 11TH AND 12TH.
WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU GUYS FOR ALL THREE DAYS OR JUST, OR JUST ONE DAY? I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT SOME DATES OUT TOO SOON.
SEE WHERE EVERYONE CALENDARS CAN SYNC UP WHILE EVERYONE IS HERE.
SO I MEAN, IF YOU JUST WANT TWO PEOPLE TO GO OR, YOU KNOW, OR IF, IF, IF WE, IF WE DO, IF WE DO MORE, IF WE DO MORE THAN TWO, WE JUST HAVE TO NOTICE IT'S, YEAH.
THIS, I'M, I'M GOOD FOR THE 10TH.
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10, 10TH.WE CAN ALSO, LIKE, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, CAN TRY SET UP A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK OUT, MAYBE WORK BEFORE US.
SO WE CAN FAVOR THE DATES THAT JOHN TALKED ABOUT NOW.
SO LET'S, LET'S DO THE 10TH, 11TH, AND 12TH.
AND THAT WAY IF WE HAD TO PUT ANY TYPE OF NOTICE OKAY.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THAT.
AND, UM, I'M HOPING THAT THE COMMISSIONS, WE COULD COORDINATE OUR SCHEDULES TO FIT THAT, ACCOMMODATE IT AS WELL.
WELL JUST, WE'LL LET YOU, WE'LL LET YOU, WE'LL WORK WITH A, TO SEE WHAT TIME, WHAT THE TIME PERIODS ARE AND, AND ANYBODY HAVE, ANYBODY PREFER LIKE THE 10TH? I CAN DO THE 10TH, MR. BROCK, THAT MR. WITNESS SAYS 11.
I CAN DO ANY DAY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE FLEXIBLE, MR. PIERCE, LET ME, UH, GET BACK WITH YOU, UH, WITH MY SCHEDULE, BUT I'LL, I'LL EMAIL YOU, LET YOU KNOW.
I KNOW I CAN MAKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
YOU OKAY, MR. NEW? I CAN WALK THERE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DATES, WHAT DATES WOULD YOU PREFER? I'M, I'M THERE.
WHICHEVER DATE YOU CHOOSE MR. ER I'M PRETTY FLEXIBLE.
MR. HARDY? UH, I GOT THE MAP VIDEO.
MR. COGAN, TRY TO WORK IT OUT.
OKAY, MS. CHUCK, I GOTTA WORK IT OUT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T WORKED, SO, OKAY.
I'LL, I'LL JUST SEND THAT EMAIL OUT AND THEN EVERYBODY JUST KIND OF REPLY BACK, JUST BACK TO ME OF, OF WHAT YOUR AVAILABILITY IS FOR THOSE THREE DATES AND WE'LL, WE'LL COORDINATE, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN COORDINATE EVERYTHING NEXT WEEK AND TO GET SOME TIME, TIME BACK EARLY.
LET'S SAY, I'LL SEND AN EMAIL OUT TO YOU ALL TODAY IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME BY SAY TUESDAY NEXT WEEK.
THEREFORE, I CAN WORK WITH A ES TO FIGURE OUT IF WE DO NEED TO SEND NOTICES OUT, WE WE CAN WORK THAT, WE CAN WORK THOSE DETAILS OUT.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MR. WADE? AND I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. WADE, ON THE PROCESS OF THIS, UM, CUP INPUT ON IT THERE, I HEARD A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT NEGOTIABLE WHAT'S IN HERE, THIS IS A, A PROPOSAL FROM THEM, CP FOUR FOR THE SYCAMORE CROPS.
SO THE CONDITIONS FOR IT THERE, THEY ARE NEGOTIABLE, RIGHT? SO IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION SAYS, LISTEN, WE DIDN'T LIKE YOUR PROPOSED CONDITIONS HERE, WE WANT YOU TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID BEFORE THEY HEARD WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE.
SO THEY, THEY ADDRESSED SOME OF WHAT THEY, THEY HEARD YOU SAY AND THEY BROUGHT IT BACK TO YOU.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE RED LINE AVERSION, THE, THE AMENDED CHANGE THAT THAT SHOWS YOUR, THEIR CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME THAT THEY BROUGHT IT TO YOU.
SO THEY, THEY DID MAKE SOME, THEY DID MAKE SOME CHANGES.
THEY DID MAKE ALL THE CHANGES THAT YOU PROBABLY DESIRE, BUT THEY DID MAKE A SIGNIFICANT MATTER OF CHANGES.
I THINK ONE OF THE, THE BASIC THINGS THEY, THEY, THEY DID AND LESSONS LEARNED FROM DEALING WITH CAVALIER WAS HOW TO ADDRESS THE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IS HOW YOU ADDRESS THE ENFORCEMENT PART.
SO THEY TOOK SOME OF THAT, THEY HAD PROBABLY SOME OF THE SAME COMMENTS FROM AL WHITE AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE CONSISTENT.
LET'S PUT THAT IN SUR AS WELL.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF LETTING YOU KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
ARE YOU SAYING THINGS ARE NEGOTIABLE? THEY AREN'T SET IN STONE YET UNTIL THE BOARD SUPERVISORS APPROVES IT.
IF THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS APPROVES IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY ARE IS NOT OFFICIAL UNTIL THE BOARD SUPERVISOR SAYS THIS PROJECT IS HEREBY APPROVED.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IS NEGOTIABLE.
IT'S ALSO NEGOTIABLE ONCE IT LEAVES THE PLANNING COMMISSION INTO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, THEY CAN NEGOTIATE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE ATTORNEY.
WE THINK YOU SHOULD AMEND THE CONDITIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE CONCERNS.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE, YOU WILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
YOU COULD COME BACK AND SAY, LISTEN, WE ALSO WANT YOU TO WORK WITH MR. WADE ON ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA SEE BACK INTO THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION I GOT LEADING TOWARDS THAT THEN I SAW NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL OF WHAT THE MEETING WE HAD THE OTHER NIGHT OF WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
THAT'S MS. PERKINS CAN ADDRESS THAT.
THAT WAS KEEP KEEPING THESE THINGS VERY MUCH SEPARATE.
UM, THIS IS THE CONDITION USE PERMIT.
THAT WAS A CITED AGREEMENT, WHICH WE INTENTIONALLY LEFT OKAY.
AS PART OF A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE I MEAN THEY, THEY HAD IT IN THEIR, UM, THAT IS CORRECT.
THEY STILL, THEY HAD IT IN THEIR PACKET.
BUT, BUT VERY MUCH FOR US IT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS.
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THAT ANSWER THAT QUESTION.SO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THEY SAID WE CAN ASK FOR NEGOTIATIONS.
DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING OR CAN WE PRESENT THAT TO YOU IN WRITING? YOU CAN SEND PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND MAYBE CC ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ON IT.
YOU, YOU, YOU COULD, YOU CAN SEND, YOU CAN SEND YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS TO ME AND, AND I CAN FORWARD THOSE ALSO TO AS, AS WELL WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS SO THAT THEY WON'T BLINDSIDE THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING ALSO.
AND, AND THEY, AND THEY WOULD HAVE ALSO A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THEM BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING TOO.
MR. CHAIR, SINCE THE SETTING AGREEMENT WAS BROUGHT UP, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.
SO, UM, AT OUR, AT YOUR LAST WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER 13TH, FEEDBACK WAS PROVIDED BACK ON, UM, ON A PORTION OF THE CITING AGREEMENT.
UM, I HAVE COMPILED THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, RIGHT NOW I WILL BE SENDING THEM TO MR. WADE TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING IN MY NOTES.
AND MY OBJECTIVE IS TO SEND, UM, SEND OUT A DOCUMENT THAT HAS THOSE COMMENTS SUMMARIZED, UH, TO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS PRIOR TO THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
AND THEN, UM, YOU ALL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR WANT TO CORRECT HOW I CAPTURED ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE WORK SESSION, I, I WELCOME THAT THAT FEEDBACK BACK AND THEN THAT DOCUMENT WILL BECOME WHAT IS, UM, WHAT IS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY, UH, REVIEW THE CITING AGREEMENT AND EVALUATE THE CITING AGREEMENT.
AND JUST AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NO, UM, HAS, HAS NO, UH, AUTHORITY HAS NO OFFICIAL, UM, ROLE IN NEGOTIATION OF A CITING AGREEMENT.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, WANTED YOUR INPUT ON, BUT IT IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THE BOARD IS PROVIDING YOU ALL WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND, UM, AND AGAIN, UM, THE DOCUMENT I WILL BE SENDING YOU CAPTURED THE COMMENTS AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ALL CAN'T MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND YOU CAN JUST ADD THEM TO THE DOCUMENT.
UM, MR. WOODEN HAD A WONDERFUL SUGGESTION AT, UM, AT THE WORK SESSION FOR US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A LIVING, BREATHING, ALMOST LIKE A GOOGLE DOCUMENT WHERE EVERYBODY COULD GO IN.
UNFORTUNATELY, FOLLOWING THE MEETING, I DID SOME BACKGROUND RESEARCH AND I HAVE CONCERNS THAT HAVING THAT POTENTIAL KIND OF CONTINUOUS, UM, INPUTTING INTO A DOCUMENT COULD INADVERTENTLY TRIGGER FOIA AND FIA'S MEETING REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, INSTEAD OF DOING IT THAT WAY, I'M JUST GONNA SEND OUT A WORD DOCUMENT AND THEN IF EACH OF YOU COULD FILL OUT THE INFORMATION, SEND IT BACK TO MYSELF AND MR. WADE, THEN I WILL UPDATE WITH EVERYONE'S COMMENTS AND SEND OUT THE FINAL THAT IS GOING TO THE BOARD.
SO, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
IF, UH, NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UM, WE'VE DONE THE COMMITTEE UPDATES AND, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION'S, COMMUNICATIONS, I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURN TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS DECEMBER THE 16TH.
SO MOVED, SENATOR PROBABLY MOVED.
AND SECOND THAT WE ADJOURN TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
I MEAN, I WANT DO IT JANUARY, DECEMBER THE 16TH.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAYING, THE BIBLE SAYING AYE.