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          OKAY, IT IS NOW SEVEN O'CLOCK. 
          CALL TO CALL TO ORDER AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. 
          WILL WE STAND TO RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT, MS. HILTON, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MR. BROCK? HERE. 
          MR. WOODEN? HERE. 
          MR. BERRYMAN? HERE. 
          MS. JAKE? HERE. 
          MR. KIN? MR. HARDY? PRESENT. 
          MS. CHECKIN? SHE CALL HERE. 
          MR. HERE. 
          PIERCE. 
          MR. NPE HERE. 
          AND MR. SO PIERCE. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THE NEXT ITEMS MOVING FORWARD, DOWN THE LIST IS THE ADOPTION OF THE MEETING AGENDA, WHICH WE'LL HAVE A, TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND NOTICE IF YOU HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS IN, IN THE, IN THE MEETING AGENDA. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, AND YOU HAD CALLED EARLIER AND TOLD ME WE WERE HAVING A WORKING SESSION. 
          SO THIS, WE, WE WOULD TREAT THIS AS A WORK SESSION TO REVIEW FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR, FOR BATTERY STORAGE. 
          SO WE WOULD, SO THE WORK SESSION STARTS AT THE OLD BUSINESS. 
          SO WHAT I MEANT BY THAT IN, IN, IN DISCUSSION WAS, UH, WE WOULD TREAT THE ITEM FOR BATTERY STORAGE, LIKE A WORK SESSION. 
          BUT WE STILL HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING, BUT IN THE BATTERY STORAGE, TREAT IT AT, TREAT THAT PORTION, LIKE A WORK SESSION TO GO OVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I JUST DUNNO WHAT THE PROCESS WAS. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF THE NEW ANY CORRECTIONS, COULD WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ACCEPTING THE, UH, THE CURRENT, THE ADOPTION OF THE MEETING AGENDA? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND CASE WE MOVE PROPERLY. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? VOTE. 
          SO. 
          VOTE BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT, NEXT PORTION OF ORIGIN IS ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR A CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. BROCK FOR CHAIR. 
          UH, MR. WADE, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, MR. GARRON WOODEN FOR CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DID TALK TO MR. BROCK. 
          MR. BROCK TOLD ME ON THE PHONE THAT HE DID NOT WANNA BE CHAIR. 
          I DOESN'T WANNA BE CHAIR. 
          HE DOES NOT WANNA BE CHAIR. 
          DID YOU, DID YOU WANNA WITHDRAW? DID YOU WANNA WITHDRAW THAT? OH, UM, I WITHDRAW THE NOMINATION FROM MR. BROCK. 
          OKAY. 
          SINCE HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE CHAIR . 
          HE DOES NOT WANNA BE CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SECOND THE NOMINATION. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR MR. MR. WOODEN BE IN CHAIR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. 
          MR. WOODEN, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN CHARGE NOW. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ELECTION OF VICE CHAIR FOR NOMINATIONS. 
          I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UM, MR. COGGIN FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. HARDY FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTION? YES. 
          CAN WE NOMINATE ABSENT MEMBERS? RIGHT? I I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU, YOU COULD NOMINATE THEM, UM, BUT IT, WOULD THEY ACCEPT IT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION EITHER. 
          YES. 
          THE QUESTION, UM, WHAT, WHAT MS. PERKINS HAS SHARED WITH ME IS THAT THE WAY WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THIS IS, UM, AS WE GO DOWN THAT LIST OF THE, THE, UH, P COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE HERE TODAY, YOU WOULD BASICALLY STATE YOUR PERSON, YOUR PREFERENCE FOR VICE CHAIR AS, AS, AS YOUR, AS YOUR NAME IS CALLED TEXT. 
          MR. CO. 
          I LEMME GO, LEMME GO ON. 
          MAKE A SPECIAL CALL AND SEE IF HE, HE WOULD, HE WOULD WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT ONE. 
          SURE. 
          BRIEF RECESS. 
          BRIEF RECESS. 
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ACTUALLY, I WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TIME. 
          . 
          UM, JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT YOUR, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORMS YOUR REAL ESTATE DISCLOSURES ARE DUE BY FEBRUARY THE THIRD. 
          UM, IF ANYBODY NEEDS A COPY OF THE BLANK COPY OF THE FORM, I ALSO HAVE YOUR FORMS FROM LAST YEAR, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I'LL TAKE IT FROM LAST YEAR. 
          DON'T HAVE GOODNESS, RACHEL. 
          I ACTUALLY MADE MINE AND, AND HAD IT READY TO COME, BUT THEN I COULDN'T FIND IT WHEN I LEFT. 
          HONEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? SO I'VE GOT IT AT, I KNOW, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE DISCONNECT WAS. 
          UM, YOUR KIDS, STEWART BERRYMAN TURNED HIS FORM IN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT WAS TO DISCONNECT, SO I'M SORRY THAT TO YOU. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          BUT I'VE GOT IT READY TO COME. 
          JUST YOU'VE GOT IT READY TO COME. 
          I WAS GONNA COMPARE AND MAKE SURE I HAD IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN ALL EVERYTHING YOU SAYING I THAT YOU, UM, HE DOES NOT WANT SAY , I THINK. 
          I THINK HE JUST, HE'S, HE'S FINE WITH BEING A, A I GUESS HE SAY REGULAR APPOINTING COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT? HE SAID HE FEELS LIKE HE NEEDS MORE TIME BEFORE, BEFORE HE SAYS THAT I WITHDRAW MY NOMINATION. 
          OKAY. 
          FROM MR. CONGRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A NEW ONE. 
          THE OLD ONE IN HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MR. WADE, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCES, UH, KIND OF GET AN ANSWER. 
          CAN, THANK YOU. 
          WE NOMINATE ABSENT MEMBERS ALL THE TIME. 
          THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I THINK, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO KEEP GOING FOR, FOR THAT ONE TOO. 
          ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME, NOMINATE SOMEBODY IF YOU WANNA, IF THEY WANNA BE IN A COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THEY, YOU KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SECOND THE NOMINATION OF THOMAS HARDY FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. 
          AND SECOND THAT MR. THOMAS HARDY, UH, BE VICE CHAIR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          MR. HARDICK, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          YOUR VICE CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ADOPTION OF BYLAWS. 
          UM, THAT IS OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          MR. WADE, IF YOU WOULD UPDATE US, PLEASE, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          MS. PERKINS, SHE, SHE, SHE'S OUR BYLAWS SURE. 
          PERSON FOR THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          SO, , A DUBIOUS DISTINCTION. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AS MY, UM, AS MY EMAIL FROM, I BELIEVE I SENT IT FRIDAY. 
          UH, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SENDING IT SOONER. 
          IT JUST FELL OFF MY RADAR. 
          UM, NEITHER MR. WADE NOR I HAVE ANY RECOMMENDED, UM, AMENDMENTS TO BRING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. 
          UM, HOWEVER, MS. CHEEK HAD SENT SOME, UM, SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND I BELIEVE OTHERS OF YOU HAVE ALSO, UM, REACHED OUT TO MR. WADE ABOUT AMENDMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE, TO THE BYLAWS. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS EVENING IS JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION OF THEM PURSUANT TO, UH, PURSUANT TO THE BYLAWS AND THIS THANK YOU MR. WADE FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. 
          UM, EARLIER IN ORDER TO AMEND THE BYLAWS, UM, 24 HOURS NOTICE IS REQUIRED. 
          UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD 24 HOURS NOTICE, UM, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD. 
          WE CANNOT PROCEED WITH VOTING ON AMENDMENTS TONIGHT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THEM. 
          AND THEN, UM, MR. WADE AND I CAN COMPILE EVERYTHING AND PROVIDE YOU WITH A RED LINE DOCUMENT, UH, IN ADVANCE OF YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING. 
          AND YOU CAN VOTE AT YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING. 
          SO, UM, MS. CHEEKS, SINCE, SINCE YOU HAD YOUR ACT THE MOST TOGETHER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RUN THROUGH YOUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? UM, WELL, I CAN DO IT. 
          UH, I WENT AHEAD AND PRINTED IT OFF, SO HOPEFULLY I WON'T GO TOO OFF COURSE. 
          UM, MY FIRST ONE WAS FOR ARTICLE FIVE ON COMMITTEES. 
          UH, NUMBER TWO, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE STRIKE THE PART THAT SAYS NO MORE THAN FOUR COMMISSIONER 
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COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          AND MY REASONING BEHIND THAT IS TO ALLOW, IF, IF COMMISSIONERS WANT TO PARTICIPATE ON A COMMITTEE, UM, THEN THEY CAN, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR MEMBERS WOULDN'T RESTRICT THAT FROM HAPPENING. 
          I AGREE WITH THE THIRD THREE AS A MINIMUM FOR SURE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IF THEY WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, I DON'T KNOW, DO I JUST PRESENT IT OR IS THERE DISCUSSION ON IT? SURE. 
          HOW WE WORK THIS? UM, WELL, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND, AND HAVE DISCUSSION ON EACH ONE AS IT COMES UP. 
          THERE'S NO SET WAY TO DO THIS. 
          SO I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MS. CHEEK'S PROPOSAL. 
          I THINK THE ONLY THING, UM, THAT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO FORM A COMMITTED, WE WANT A REPRESENTATION OF THE ACTUAL PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO IF YOU GO OVER A CERTAIN NUMBER, THEN IT MIGHT AS WELL COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND, AND NOT HAVE A COMMITTED, I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THREE MEMBERS, UM, WAS TO DO JUST THAT, HAVE A REPRESENTATION OF THE ACTUAL PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT AND DISCUSS CERTAIN PROJECTS AND THAT COMMITTEE BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, SO I THINK, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHY I WAS THREE MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, BE A PART OF A CERTAIN SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          SO, BUT AS FAR AS LIMITING IT, IF SAY FIVE PEOPLE WANNA BE ON THE COMMITTEE INSTEAD OF FOUR, I'M JUST SAYING LET'S STRIKE THE UPPER LIMIT, KEEP THE LOWER LIMIT TO KEEP THE UP. 
          JUST ALLOW IF, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE ALL, YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS, BUT JUST IN CASE IT WANTS TO BE, OR MAYBE CONSIDER AT LEAST ALLOWING FIVE MEMBERS, FOUR SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT STRONG TO KEEP IT SENSE. 
          IF, IF I MAY OFFER A, A RECOMMENDATION, UM, PERHAPS CAPPING IT AT NO MORE THAN FIVE BECAUSE IF THERE'S SIX, THEN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A QUORUM OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO THEN IT MIGHT GET, IT MIGHT GET A LITTLE CONFUSING JUST IN TERMS OF NOTICING THE MEETINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          IF EVERYBODY LIKES IT, I'D SAY FIVE. 
          AND THEN YOU MIGHT COULD HAVE ONE FROM EACH DISTRICT YES. 
          ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT CHANGE? PROPOSED CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR, OKAY, SO THEN MY SECOND ONE WAS ARTICLE SEVEN, ORDER OF BUSINESS NUMBER 11, THE PC SECRETARY OF COMMUNICATIONS. 
          UM, I AM RECOMMEND, I NOTICED WE HAVE A DOCKET AND YOU, I DON'T, I THINK THE DOCKET IS, MUST BE A WORKING INTERNAL THING FOR MR. WADE. 
          WE DON'T, AT LEAST I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE DOCKET, BUT IT SAYS WE HAVE ONE. 
          UM, SO I THOUGHT THAT WHEN, UM, THE PC SECRETARY GIVES US HIS, UM, YOU KNOW, HIS SECTION OF THE MEETING, UM, HE COULD JUST REVIEW WHAT'S ON THE DOCKET, GIVE US A, THEN WE COULD MAYBE HAVE A CALENDAR REVIEW LIKE TONIGHT EARLIER HE SAID WE GOT SOME THINGS COMING UP. 
          SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IT US TO LIKE LOOK AT THE CALENDAR AND SEE WHAT ITEMS MAYBE ARE POTENTIAL. 
          I'M NOT, I UNDERSTAND THE CALENDAR MOVES AROUND, BUT JUST GIVES US A HEADS UP OF WHAT'S ON THE, UH, CALENDAR AHEAD. 
          AND THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I KNOW CITIZENS CALL ME ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND SO TO JUST HELP US TO BE MORE AWARE OF WHAT'S THE STATUS OF PROJECTS ARE ONES THAT ARE WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN WORK, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE SOLAR PROJECTS. 
          I'M NOT SAYING LIKE IT HAS TO BE EVERY LITTLE, I HAVE A HOUSE PLAN THAT'S CHANGING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MORE, BUT MORE ONE, SOME OF THESE BIGGER PROJECTS THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IS SEEING. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE JUST A STATUS ON THAT AS PART OF OUR MONTHLY MEETING SO THAT WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, IT JUST HELPS US ALL, I BELIEVE AS CASE COMMISSIONER. 
          SO, SO THAT'S MY REASONING FOR THAT IS IT ISN'T MOST OF THOSE, UH, UPDATES KIND OF GIVEN DURING THE COMMITTEE UPDATES OR PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY OF COMMUNICATIONS. 
          THAT'S KIND OF, AND THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MR. WADE NORMALLY GIVES US, KIND OF SOME FEEDBACK AHEAD OF TIME TO SAY, HEY, THIS MAY BE COMING TOWARDS HER RIGHT BEFORE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M RECOMMENDING THAT THAT OCCURRED JUST A LITTLE MORE FORMALLY DOCUMENTED. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, MR. WADE MAY DECIDE HE WANTS TO GO AND WORK IN RICHMOND OR SOMETHING ONE 
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DAY AND WE'LL LOSE THIS GREAT PERSON THAT DOES THAT ANYWAY. 
          AND SO THIS FORMALIZES THAT, THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF REPORTING WE HAVE AS A PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THE, FROM THE SECRETARY. 
          IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY REALLY TO PUT DOWN WHAT HE ALREADY DOES. 
          IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY LIST OUT THOUGH THE TOPICS, DOES IT? UH, NOT SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT DOES IN, UH, SEC. 
          WHAT IS IT? UH, BULLET POINT 10 AND 11. 
          WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? UH, THAT SIX OF NINE. 
          SO YOU'RE SPEAKING OF SOME FORESIGHT, MAYBE SOME FORESIGHT OF SOME PROJECTS COMING UP. 
          I JUST, YOU KNOW, SO WE ALL KIND OF LOOKING OUT THE, THE, THE, UH, WINDOW OF THE CAR AND WE'RE ALL SEEING THE SAME THINGS COMING AT US. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT? YOU SAID SIX AND SIX OF NINE. 
          PAGE SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S WRITTEN IN, IN THE, IN THE ORDER OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SAYING LIKE, COMMITTEE COMMITTEE UPDATES SAYING IF WE COULD EXPAND NUMBER 11 TO JUST LIST THAT THESE TOPICS WILL BE COVERED AS PART OF THAT. 
          UH, I JUST, JUST THINKING BACK IN NOVEMBER, UH, MR. WADE GAVE US THE HEADS UP ABOUT THE BATTERY, UM RIGHT. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN WE DISCUSSED IT. 
          YEAH, I'M, SO I'M SIMPLY SAYING IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO MAKE THAT AS PART OF OUR DOCUMENTATION AS A COMMISSION, THAT THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR ABOUT IN THAT COMMUNICATION SECTION. 
          MR. WADE, COULD YOU CLARIFY IF THERE IS A SEPARATE DOCKET OR IF THAT'S JUST MAYBE A LEFTOVER TURN FROM AN, AN ERA FAR GONE? SO, AS FAR AS DOCKETS, SIR, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A DOCKET, UM, IT'S TYPICALLY WHAT'S GOING TO, THINGS ARE ITEMS ARE LISTED ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA. 
          SO IF LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE A CASE OR A PROJECT COMING UP THAT'S GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, OR NOW YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THINGS BEFORE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, SOME RPA EXCEPTIONS OR WHATEVER'S GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA. 
          THAT'S, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE COURT DOCKETS, THEY BASICALLY HAVE A LIST OF WHATEVER THEIR, YOU KNOW, NAME AND WHAT, WHAT OFFENSE, I GUESS WHATEVER IS OUT THERE. 
          KIND OF SIMILAR DOCKET IN THE, AND WHAT'S ONE OF THE AGENDA. 
          THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU LOOK AT PROJECT AND WHO YOUR APPLICANT MIGHT BE. 
          THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE ON YOUR DOCKET AND WHAT, WHAT THE CASE MIGHT BE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS YOU LOOK AT BEFORE A DOCUMENTED AGENDA. 
          AND SO MAYBE IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT TAKES UP TOO MUCH TIME, IF YOU JUST PROVIDE THE REPORTS AS PART OF YOUR, UM, INFORMATION THAT GOES TO THE COMMISSION. 
          I, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME CLARITY ON THAT. 
          NUMBER 11, PC SECRETARY COMMUNICATIONS, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY PUT SPECIFIC THINGS IN THE, UM, BYLAWS KIND OF LIMITS TO YOU TO THOSE PER THOSE THINGS THAT ARE THERE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S NO OTHER AREAS IN THIS, IN THE ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT HAS ANYTHING SPELLED OUT THERE. 
          I DO SEE IT AS BEING SOMEWHAT, I, I DON'T KNOW THE BEST, BEST WAY TO PUT THAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN AN AREA WHERE YOUR ORDER OF BUSINESS IS NOT A DETAILED DOCUMENT. 
          SO JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL, IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE POINT COMMISSION WANTS TO SEE AS A WHOLE, LIKE, YEAH, WE DO WANT TO SEE THESE THINGS FROM YOU. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, SETTING UP WITH THE CHAIR THAT AGENDA, HEY, CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE SEE THESE THINGS ON A ROUTINE BASIS, UM, AHEAD OF TIME. 
          HEY, THIS, THIS YEAR WE WANT TO SEE THIS. 
          IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE YEAR TO YEAR AND IT'S JUST, AND, AND IT'S GONNA GONNA CHANGE MONTH TO MONTH OF WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. 
          IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE POINT OF COMMISSION WANTS TO SEE. 
          I, I, I, I DON'T MIND GIVING THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO ADD THAT NECESSARILY IN BYLAWS. 
          'CAUSE THE, YOU'RE KIND OF HAMPERED INTO THE SPECIFICS AND YOU PUT SPECIFICS INTO A MEETING. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW HOW I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS FOR THAT ONE, BUT I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ROUTINE. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN YOUR BYLAWS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON THE POLICY SIDE. 
          SO I KNOW, I KNOW MS. MS PER IS LOOKING FROM A LEGAL SIDE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT DOING THAT, BUT I JUST, ON THE POLICY SIDE, I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN DOING THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          SO THE POINT OF COMMISSION CAN DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO WITH THAT. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE THE, I DON'T SEE THE OVERALL POINT IN PUTTING IN BYLAWS. 
          I DO, I DO SEE THE, THE NEED FOR IT TO BE DISCUSSED WITHIN THE MEETING, BUT IN BYLAWS I DON'T. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY LITTLE 2 CENTS THERE. 
          TWO PURPOSE. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO SET UP MORE OF AN EXPECTATION, UM, THAT THESE MATTERS ARE DISCUSSED AND WE, WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED MR. WADE CURRENTLY 
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DOES, DOES A LOT OF THIS, IF NOT ALL OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEPLACE WE MIGHT WISH TO LOOK IS IN THE, UH, SECTION ON OFFICERS AND DUTIES. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE ON PAGE FOUR. 
          UM, THE SECRETARY SHALL HAVE THE FOLLOWING DUTIES AND IT OUTLINES CERTAIN THINGS. 
          IF WE WANTED TO ADD, YOU KNOW, HAVE, PROVIDE PERIODIC UPDATES OR PROVIDE UPDATES TO, TO THE COMMISSION, IF THERE IS A CONCERN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF MR. WADE WINS THE LOTTERY TOMORROW, WILL THE NEXT, UH, PLANNING DIRECTOR BE AS FORTHCOMING AND THOROUGH WITH SHARING OF INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER, BETTER PLACE FOR IT TO GO THAN IN THE CALL OF ORDER THAT OUTLINES THE DIFFERENT, THE DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST TO HELP THE BOARD HAVE A GOOD DOCUMENTATION ABOUT HOW IT, UM, OPERATES HAVING IT AS PART OF THE SECRETARY DUTIES. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO, IF IT'S TOO SPECIFIC TO BE MORE GENERAL ON, YOU KNOW, STATUS OF MEETINGS AND WORK, THAT TYPE OF THING WOULD BE PROVIDED THAT HELPS, UM, ALLEVIATE MAYBE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS. 
          MR. HARDY? I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS. 
          OH, WELL, YEAH. 
          I I DIDN'T KNOW . 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK MR. HARDY HAD ANY CONCERNS. 
          I THINK HE WAS CLARIFYING THAT MR. WADE DOES THIS YES. 
          AND THE PC UPDATES, UH, MR. WADE ALSO GETS COMMITTEE MEMBERS TOGETHER FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE IF, UH, A PROJECT IS COMING. 
          AND I THINK ALL OF US HAVE SET ON, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO OUR PARTICULAR DISTRICT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE ARE TRYING TO, TO SHARE, IS THAT MOST OF THIS IS TAKEN CARE OF EITHER IN A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS COME BACK AND PRESENT TO THE ACTUAL COMMISSION, OR MR. WADE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ANY INFORMATION THAT HE'S DISCUSSED THE MONTH PRIOR AT THE MEETING, DURING THE PC UPDATES. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT MR. HARDT WAS TRYING TO GET AT. 
          THAT WE CURRENTLY DO THIS, UH, THROUGH STAFF AND THROUGH COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE WANT SPECIFIC UPDATE ON, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE CAN ASK FOR EMAIL EARLY AND, AND ASK FOR AND ASK FOR AN UPDATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          UH, SURE. 
          JUST TO ADDRESS MS. CHEEK'S POINT THERE AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE WORKING THROUGH ON THAT ONE. 
          AND I THINK, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD MS. PERKIN BROUGHT UP THE PART ABOUT THE SECRETARY. 
          IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF MAYBE ADD A POINT THERE. 
          PROVIDE REGULAR UPDATES JUST IN, IN, KEEP IT GENERIC GENERAL, RIGHT. 
          PROVIDE REGULAR UPDATES, UM, AND AS ASSIST WITH SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT PART IN THE, AS A SETTLER PORTION IN THE, UH, IN THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. 
          SO THAT'S MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS AS IF YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IN, I GUESS IN, FOR RESPECT, I GUESS OUT, OUT WORD SOMEHOW CODIFIED WITHIN A BYLAW IS PUT IT, PUT IT OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          CODIFIED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL IF THAT, THAT COULD WORK, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, DID WE WANNA SAY ANY MORE ON THAT? MR. WADE AND I ARE HAPPY TO, TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE TO ADD TO THE SECRETARY PORTION AND THEN YOU ALL CAN CONSIDER IT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THE THIRD ONE I HAD, UM, ARTICLE 10, DOCKET AND AGENDA. 
          UM, I'M PROPOSING THAT, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE AGENDA OF CASES TO BE HEARD SHALL BE POSTED IN THE PLANNING OFFICE. 
          AND I WOULD, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE, UH, POST THEM ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE IN AGENDAS. 
          AND, UM, I ALSO, I PUT 10 DAYS BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT ARTICLE 10, I BELIEVE IT WAS ARTICLE 10, THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION THAT THERE'S SEVEN DAYS AND THEN THERE'S 10 DAY THINGS. 
          BUT NUMBER TWO, IN THAT SAME SECTION TALKS ABOUT ALL MATTERS DOCKETED AT LEAST 10 DAYS, UM, SHALL APPEAR ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I CHANGED THIS TO MATCH WHAT ITEM TWO WAS CALLING OUT. 
          BUT MY MAIN REASON, UH, FOR CHANGING OR MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO THIS IS JUST TO SAY INSTEAD OF ONLY POSTING IT IN THE PLANNING OFFICE THAT WE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA SECTION, UM, THAT WE HAVE ON THE WEBSITE. 
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SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT 10 DAYS, UM, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE CALENDAR THAT PLANNING HAS, IF YOU GET YOUR APPLICATION IN BY A CERTAIN DATE, THEN YOU'RE ON THE NEXT AGENDA. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS REFERRING TO THAT. 
          IF YOU GET YOUR APPLICATION IN BY A CERTAIN TIME, THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA IF THE APPLICATION IS READY TO BE HEARD. 
          BUT IF YOU MISS THAT DEADLINE, WE CAN'T S SHOEHORN YOU IN TO THE NEXT, TO THE NEXT AGENDA FOR THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          SO WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT FIRST. 
          UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT 10 DAYS IS COMING FROM. 
          UM, SO ON THE REMAINING ISSUES, I HAVE SOME LEGAL CONCERNS WITH THOSE, AND THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, RIGHT NOW, WELL, LET ME, LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN A MATTER IS ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC HEARING, THE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE IS THAT THE ITEM HAS TO BE ADVERTISED IN, IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          AND WHEN IT'S ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER, IT HAS TO BE AVAILABLE. 
          YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHERE IT IS AVAILABLE TO WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT, UM, AT COUNTY OFFICES, AND RIGHT NOW, THE STATE OF THE LAW IS THAT YOU ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY SOMEWHERE IN COUNTY OFFICES THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN GO TO. 
          SO WE, AS PART OF OUR PROCESS THAT GOT STARTED TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR, HAVE BEEN POSTING, UM, WHEN AN ADVERTISEMENT IS IN THE PAPER, WE TRY TO THE SAME DAY THAT THE ADVERTISEMENT IS IN THE PAPER OR WITHIN, YOU KNOW, BY THE NEXT MORNING. 
          SO THE PAPER USUALLY ADVERTISES ON WEDNESDAY. 
          BY THURSDAY MORNING, WE TRY TO HAVE ALL OF THE, UM, THE NOTICE AND THE ASSOCIATED MATERIALS POSTED TO OUR PUBLIC NOTICES PART OF OUR WEBSITE THAT IS SOMETHING NEW. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST STARTED, UM, AT THE END, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. 
          I THINK OUR, UH, THE OCTOBER BOARD MEETING WAS THE FIRST ONE WHERE WE, WE STARTED THAT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THAT IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. 
          THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE SAW WHEN WE LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          SOMETHING THAT MS. ROLLINS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA AND WE WENT AHEAD AND IMPLEMENTED THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS, IS THAT WE HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY IN TERMS OF THE AGENDAS PAGE. 
          THINGS GET POSTED ON THE AGENDA IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHEN AGENDAS NEED TO BE POSTED. 
          UM, AND THOSE AGENDAS ARE POSTED AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE AGENDA SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH WHEN THOSE AGENDA AND AGENDA PACKETS GO OUT TO ALL OF YOU. 
          SAME, SAME WITH ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          IT'S THE SAME REQUIREMENT. 
          SO WE ALREADY GO AHEAD AND POST THE AGENDA, BUT, UM, PRACTICE AND, UH, THE BOARD'S BYLAWS HAVE THAT THE AGENDA GETS POSTED AND ITEMS GET DISTRIBUTED TO BOARD MEMBERS FIVE DAYS. 
          SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU ALL DO WISH TO PUT A, A TIMEFRAME IN THERE, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT YOU USE FIVE DAYS, WHICH IS AGAIN, WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS USING. 
          UM, I, I'M CONCERNED THAT BY PUTTING THINGS IN OUR BYLAWS, UM, YOU KNOW, STRICT TIMELINES AND REQUIREMENTS THAT AREN'T REQUIRED BY VIRGINIA CODE, WE END UP LOSING SOME POTENTIAL FLEXIBILITY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY INPUT ON THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN AT, AT A MINIMUM THEN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT CURRENTLY HAS AGENDAS NOT LESS THAN FOUR DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          SO MAYBE THERE'S SOME THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE SOME OF THESE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, I GUESS IF YOU'RE DOING THE COUNTY WEBSITE BACK TO THE CODIFYING, MAYBE YOU, IF YOU WANNA LEAVE IT IN THE PLANNING OFFICE AND ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT THIS REFLECTS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE FIVE DAYS, UH, SINCE AGAIN, THAT THAT IS ALSO WHAT THE BOARD DOES. 
          AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE, CONSISTENT WITH MR. WADE'S PRACTICE. 
          UM, AT LEAST AT AT PRESENT. 
          AGAIN, IF HE WINS THE LOTTERY TOMORROW, WE, WE MIGHT BE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION. 
          UM, SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING THE CHANGE TO FIVE DAYS. 
          I, I'M STILL NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, ADDING TO THE BYLAWS THAT IT HAS TO BE ON OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE I THINK THE CONFUSION IS THAT THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT IN THE 
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OFFICE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT IS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, NOT FOR AGENDAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I I THINK WE'RE, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE CONFUSING THINGS IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY IT HAS TO BE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ON THE AGENDAS WEBSITE, BECAUSE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS WITH THE CHANGES THAT THE VIRGINIA CODE THAT THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY MADE LAST YEAR TO THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS, WE ARE ADVERTISING THINGS REALLY EARLY, REALLY EARLY ON. 
          WE'VE HAD TO BACK EVERYTHING UP. 
          SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO ADVERTISE NOT LAST WEDNESDAY, BUT THE FALL, THE PREVIOUS WEDNESDAY AND THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE. 
          SO THAT IS REALLY SOON TO HAVE A FULL AGENDA PUT TOGETHER. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS ARE, ARE SET AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO GO. 
          BUT THERE MAY BE MANY OTHER THINGS ON THE AGENDA THAT MR. WADE AND HIS OFFICE OR MYSELF HAVE NOT FULLY BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER ESSENTIALLY ALMOST THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          THIS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THREE WEEKS BEFORE, UH, TO ME THIS IS PRETTY GENERIC. 
          IT'S JUST THE AGENDA, WHETHER YOU'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING OR NOT, YOU DO YOUR PUBLIC HEARING LAW REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? LIKE YOU NEED TO MM-HMM . 
          BUT THIS IS SIMPLY A MANAGEMENT OF PUBLISHING OUR AGENDA, WHICH CAN BE 10 OR SEVEN OR FIVE DAYS, WHATEVER ONE YOU COME UP WITH. 
          I'M JUST ASKING THAT IT NOT ONLY BE IN THE PLANNING OFFICE, BUT ON THE WE, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE DOING ANYWAY, WHICH IS, SO ALL WE'RE DOING CORRECT IS SAYING WHAT HE'S DOING. 
          YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M NOT TRYING UNDERSTAND TO BRING, UNDERSTAND WHETHER IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING INTO THIS OR NOT. 
          I DON'T, AND I DON'T THINK THIS PREVENTS YOU FROM DOING YOUR PUBLIC HEARING DUTIES. 
          IT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S AT LEAST FROM THE WAY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. 
          I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS UP TO SAY WHAT MR. WADE'S REALLY ALREADY DOING. 
          I THINK I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          I HOPE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. 
          , I THINK, UH, THEY HAVE THE, UM, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED IN THE BACK OF THE PAMPHLET WITH THE, UH, PUBLIC MEETING DATES AND ACTUALLY THE, UH, DEADLINE TO FILE, IF THAT'S KIND OF JUST KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH MS. PERKINS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          SO THAT TIMEFRAME RIGHT THERE MAY HELP YOU. 
          IT'S A SLIGHT VISUAL. 
          MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UH, 2025 MEETING SCHEDULE IN THE VERY BACK. 
          AND ONCE IT'S APPROVED, IT WILL BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. 
          YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THE, UM, I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE FIVE DAYS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD IF THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD NOT WANT TO, UM, PROBABLY GO AGAINST ANYTHING DEALING WITH VIRGINIA CODE OR LAW. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, AS MS. PERKINS STATED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS RECOMMENDATION I'M MAKING IS GOING AGAINST THE LAW. 
          IS IT, IT'S BEING STRICTER THAN THE LAW REQUIRES. 
          JUST EXPLAIN YEAH. 
          IT'S BEING STRICTER THAN THE LAW. 
          THAN WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES. 
          YES. 
          HOW WOULD, I GUESS, OKAY. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S STRICTER. 
          UM, MAYBE SINCE YOU'RE COLLECTING THIS INFORMATION, I CAN JUST TALK WITH YOU OFFLINE. 
          SURE, THAT'S FINE. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO, UM, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND AS TO WHY IT'S STRICTER THAN CODE, UM, THE NEXT TIME WE WE MEET AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT I'M HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU OFFLINE ABOUT IT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST TO SAVE TIME. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING IT. 
          OF COURSE. 
          UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          YES. 
          UH, MS. TODD, COULD WE, DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE, WELL, ON THE FIVE DAYS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD TONIGHT? UH, NOT THE SAME DAY. 
          NOT TONIGHT. 
          JUST PROPOSED. 
          NOT TONIGHT. 
          THESE ARE ALL JUST PROPOSED. 
          AND THEN WE WILL, UM, WE WILL PUT THEM IN A DOCUMENT FOR YOU AND THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND, UM, IN FEBRUARY, VOTE ON THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IN FEBRUARY. 
          IN FEBRUARY, YES, MS. CHIEF, DID YOU, OKAY. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, ANY OF THE OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE BYLAWS? 
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I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE TIME OF THE MEETING IF WE COULD LOOK AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING, UH, FOR CONSISTENCY. 
          I KNOW THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETS AT SIX O'CLOCK. 
          I KNOW THAT THIS WAS A, A COMMENT LAST YEAR, UM, BUT I WOULD LOOK LIKE TO LOOK AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING. 
          WHAT'S WRONG? YEAH, MS IS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          LEANING CAN PICK YOU UP. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AGAIN, JUST TO RE RE REITERATE MY COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE TIME OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, POSSIBLY CHANGES TO 6:00 PM TO BE CONSISTENT WITH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AT SEVEN. 
          I WOULD, I AGREE. 
          I THINK SEVEN VISABILITY ABILITY FOR CITIZENS AND, AND PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING TO ATTEND THE MEETING BETTER. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AT SEVEN. 
          I'M OKAY WITH SIX. 
          WELL, WE CAN BRING THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT FORWARD AND, UM, YOU ALL CAN CONSIDER IT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE WILL SEND IT TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS RELATED TO BYLAWS? IF NOT, THANK YOU MS. PERKINS. 
          YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AS MR. HARDY POINTED OUT, THERE IS A 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED IN OUR PACKET, AND I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT TONIGHT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION AS IT RELATES TO THE MEETING SCHEDULE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          SO MOVED. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND THAT THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE BE ADOPTED AS PRESENTED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED AND NAY AYES HAVE IT. 
          THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE IS APPROVED. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UM, DISPOSITION OF MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 25TH, 2024 AND DECEMBER 16TH, 2024. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE MINUTES AS OF AS THEY ARE PRESENTED? I HAVE, UM, I MADE A REQUEST IN VIA EMAIL TO MR. WADE BACK IN DECEMBER. 
          I HAD LISTED, UM, INPUT ABOUT THE CUP FOR THE, UM, SYCAMORE CROSS. 
          AND, UM, I DID NOT GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS DURING THE MIN DURING THE MEETING, UH, SINCE I SENT IT OUT TO EVERYBODY. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF, UM, MY INPUT COULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE MINUTES TO DOCUMENT MY INPUT. 
          SO, MS. CHEEK, THE MINUTES ARE A SUMMARY OF WHAT OCCURS AT THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND SO THEREFORE, WHILE YOUR COMMENTS COULD HAVE BEEN USED AND CONTRIBUTED TO THE INFORMED DISCUSSION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE COMMENTS TO BE INCLUDED AS AN, UH, ATTACHMENT OR AS AN ADDENDUM TO THE, TO THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU DID MAKE ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE MINUTES, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE, UM, APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE THAT AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          WE'VE GOT A CORRECTION ON PAGE, UH, EIGHT, UH, THIRD PARAGRAPH DOWN. 
          THEY HAVE MISS MS. CHECK INSTEAD OF MS. CHEEK, , I TOOK OFF THE . 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MR. AND NO PROBLEM. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          SO NOTED. 
          ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES. 
          IS THIS JUST FOR NOVEMBER MEETING? UH, BOTH NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER LEGALLY, CAN WE DO BOTH? MS. PERKINS, CAN WE DO BOTH OR DO YOU NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS? YOU 
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CAN DO ONE MOTION TO ADOPT BOTH AS, AS LONG AS YOU SPECIFY IT'S ADOPTING BOTH. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND INDICATE THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE YES, MA'AM. 
          THAT MR. HARDY BROUGHT UP. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 25TH, 24 AND ALSO DECEMBER 16TH, 2024 CORRECTIONS WITH THE NOTED CORRECTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. 
          AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE, UH, MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 25TH, 2024 AND DECEMBER 16TH, 2024 WITH THE NOTED CORRECTIONS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          A OPPOSED NAY. 
          AYE. 
          HAVE IT. 
          THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. 
          UM, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OLD BUSINESS AND PC ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2024 DASH OH FOUR. 
          MR. WADE, MR. SIR. 
          CHAIR WOOD. 
          LAST MEETING, YOU ALL HAD A, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, THEY GET SOME NOTES FROM MS. CHEEK ON THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU MS. CHEEK FOR THAT KIND OF, KIND OF GIVES US A, A WAY TO KIND OF GO DOWN A LIST OF THINGS YOU, YOU HAVE EXTRA COPY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS SHEET, I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE A COPY OF WHAT YOU DO. 
          YOU WANT TO KIND OF START, START GOING DOWN A LIST OF KIND OF SIMILAR, WHAT WE DID WITH THE BYLAWS. 
          KINDA GO DOWN THE LIST AND WE CAN KIND OF ADDRESS EACH ONE. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          WHAT, WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU THAT, IS THAT HELPFUL? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S WHATEVER WORKS FOR Y'ALL. 
          I DON'T MIND. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO ON PAGE 15, UH, SECTION FOUR DASH 6 0 9, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. MY FIRST CHANGE IS, UH, SECTION A. 
          AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, UM, THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          IT SAYS, UM, MAY THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MAY BE REQUIRED AS DETERMINED. 
          AND, UM, I THINK FROM OUR WORK WITH, UM, THE SOLAR ACTIVITY, WE FOUND THAT REALLY THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS REQUIRED. 
          AND SO I, USING THAT AS MY GUIDE, I RECOMMEND WE CHANGE THAT TO BE ADDITIONAL RECOMME UH, INFORMATION IS REQUIRED. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE MOVE THIS PART ABOUT, AS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR DOWN TO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN THE PARAGRAPH WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT JUST ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECAUSE THINGS LIKE THE HISTORIC RESOURCE IMPACT ANALYSIS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, THE TRAFFIC, THESE THINGS WE KNOW ARE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND SO INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM A MAY BE REQUIRED, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE CONSIDER MAKING IT A REQUIREMENT. 
          I, I DO HAVE A A ANOTHER NOTE TO ADD, UM, TO THAT ONE. 
          'CAUSE THIS PARTICULAR SECTION AT THAT, UM, PANERA AND, AND, AND THEIR STAFF LOOKED AT, IT WAS DIRECTLY FROM THE PROPOSED SOLAR ORDINANCE. 
          SO THE WAY IT READS INITIALLY IS THE WAY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY SPELLED OUT IN THAT THE CHLOE SECTION STATES COPY THAT DIRECTION FROM WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED FROM THE FUNDING COMMISSION TO THE BOARD. 
          NOW, SO THAT'S, OR YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS ALREADY ME IS JUST WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE SOLAR? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT ALREADY IS THAT, SO ANY CORRECTIONS TO THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY RECOMMENDED. 
          SO IT WOULD BE TRYING TO GO BACK AND IT, IT WOULD BE D IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I MISUNDER. 
          I I TOTALLY THEN I'LL, I WILL SAY, LEAVE IT AS IS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THIS IS A WORKING MEETING, . 
          YES, YES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO SECTION FOUR, SAME SECTION, BUT THEN WE MOVED TO B AND THEN, UM, I, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE, UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL INFORM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. 
          I ADDED, 'CAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT PROPERTY OWN TALKING ABOUT, UM, INFORMING THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN WRITING DATE AND TIME AND LOCATION MEETING AT LEAST SEVEN DAYS, BUT NOT 14 DAYS, NOT MORE THAN 14 DAYS. 
          I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT IS ENSURING THAT THEY RECEIVE THE NOTICE AT LEAST. 
          AND THEN I'M RECOMMENDING 15 DAYS TO GIVE, UM, PEOPLE REASONABLE TIME TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION ABOUT COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TO MAYBE, UM, 
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THEY MAY NEED ELDERLY CARE. 
          THEY MAY CHIL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU NEED IT MORE THAN SEVEN DAYS SOMETIMES TO WORK OUT YOUR SCHEDULE TO MAKE A COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO EXTEND THAT PERIOD AND ALSO ASK THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BIGGER GROUP. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO. 
          AND SO WE WOULD WANT TO GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, THAT EXTRA STEP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN ATTEND THE MEETING. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN, EVEN THOUGH IN PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, IN PRACTICE WHAT WE, WE WE'VE BEEN ASKING APPLICANTS TO DO IS DO A BROADER SCALE OF, WE'LL GIVE YOU A HALF A HALF MILE RADIUS OF THE SITE IN, IN PRACTICE MM-HMM . 
          BUT AT THE VERY LEAST THEY, THE ORDINANCE GIVES YOU A MINIMUM. 
          THIS IS A MINIMUM. 
          I THINK. 
          SO WE TYPICALLY IN PRACTICE, WE ASK THEM TO DO IT PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND ALSO BROADEN IT OUT MORE THAN MAYBE A HALF MILE, UM, DISTANCE DEPENDING ON HOW BIG, HOW BIG THE PROJECT IS. 
          UM, AND, AND ADVERSE IMPACT IS MORE OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN WEST ADJACENT. 
          UM, BUT THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY, THEY COPIED THAT COMPLETELY FROM THE SOLAR SECTION AS WELL. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT WAS, AGAIN, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY WITH, WITH THE SOLO ORDINANCE. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS, YOU SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT IT AT THE SO ORDERS, I'M JUST SORRY, . 
          SO, BUT, BUT THAT THEY WERE JUST TRYING WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO JUST BE CONSISTENT TO WHAT WAS ALREADY ACCEPTED. 
          THAT THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS, IT WAS JUST GONNA BE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, AND APPROACHING WHAT, WHAT THEY BELIEVED THAT SRE COUNTY WAS ALREADY AN ACCEPTANCE WITH HAS ALREADY ACCEPTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT IN PRACTICE AND WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS, WE DO ASK THAT THEY DO MORE. 
          AND THEY, AND, AND THEY, THEY, WHEN THEY DO DO MORE, WE DO GIVE THEM CREDIT BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDED NOTICE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          SO WHEN YOU COME TO A PUBLIC MEETING OR FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, WE DO SAY THEY PROVIDED THIS AND THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY DAYS THEY DID IN ADVANCE TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE DO ASK THAT THEY DO GO BEYOND THE BARE MINIMUMS IN ALL, IN, IN, IN ALL PHASES. 
          WE DO ASK THEM TO DO MORE THAN THE MINIMUM, BUT WE AT LEAST THIS RIGHT HERE, THE CODE SECTION FOR THE BARE, THE BARE MINIMUMS REQUIRED. 
          WELL, THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. 
          UM, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD WANTS TO OR COMMISSION GO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO THEN MOVING DOWN TO B FIVE. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, I WAS, THIS WAS KIND OF A QUESTION, I THINK, LET'S SEE, MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT, ALRIGHT, SO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE DEEMED COMPLETE IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO FULFILL THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS DESCRIBED. 
          SO IS THIS A DIFFERENT SET OF REQUIREMENTS? SO THE PERMIT BY RULE IS SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED BY DEQ. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I DO KNOW SCOTT, SCOTT FLASHER HERE. 
          HE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK ON PERMIT BY BY RULE, BUT THEY DO TYPICALLY HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING REQUIREMENT IS A PART OF THAT. 
          IF YOU WANNA COME THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, I DON'T DO THAT PORTION OF IT. 
          A LOT OF TIMES STAFF MIGHT GO TO THAT ONE, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T CONDUCT THAT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING TYPICALLY THAT THE APPLICANT DOES. 
          BUT SCOTT, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THAT? ACT TWO? SO PERMIT BY RULE PROCESS REQUIRES A COMMUNITY MEETING SUBJECT TO MORE STRINGENT REGULATIONS THAN MOST LOCALITIES WILL APPLY. 
          YOU'VE GOT 60 DAY NOTICE REQUIREMENT, UM, NEWSPAPER ADVERTISEMENTS, MULTIPLE NOTICES. 
          IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN ALL CALL EVENT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, THIS PROVISION JUST ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO USE THE PBR PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS, WHICH IS MORE THAN MORE THAN SUFFICIENT IN THE EVENT IT'S HELD WITHIN 60 DAYS OF YOUR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY OH, I SEE. 
          INSTEAD OF HAVING MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU COULD PIGGYBACK OFF THAT ONE. 
          UM, MOST FOLKS DON'T FILE THEIR PBR APPLICATION UNTIL THEY HAVE THEIR LOCAL PERMIT IN HAND. 
          MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING THAT WORK DONE EARLY. 
          UH, SO THIS JUST ALLOWS TO, TO DOUBLE UP. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVE ONE BIG MASSIVE COMMUNITY MEETING, A LOT OF NOTICE AND IT'LL SATISFY BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT THEN, UM, WE'LL MOVE TO SECTION C PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THEN NUMBER TWO, CONFIGURATION. 
          UM, SO IT SAYS IN HERE, BATTERY CELL SHALL BE PLACED, LET'S SEE, I'M GOING TO GO DOWN SORT OF MIDWAY. 
          THE FACILITY SHALL HAVE 24 7 AUTOMATED FIRE DETECTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UM, SEEMED LIKE FURTHER IN HERE THAT IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IF SUCH 
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DESIGN IS NOT AVAILABLE. 
          SO I'M NOT, THEY SEEM LIKE IN CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER. 
          SO ARE ARE, THEY'RE NOT 24 7. 
          FINISH, FINISH. 
          I WOULD SAY FINISH READING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GO. 
          IT SAYS WHAT ABOUT IF SUCH DIVINE IS NOT AVAILABLE? EACH CONTAINER SHALL HAVE, UH, INCLUDE BUILT-IN FIRE SUPPRESSION INTENDED TO MITIGATE THE RISK OF SPREAD OF FIRE AMONG CONTAINER ASSEMBLY. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS 24 7 UH, A COMMON THING THAT'S AVAILABLE OR IS IT IT'S MAYBE AVAILABLE. 
          IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME FROM THE WAY THIS, FOR THAT IT'S THE, SHE IT'S YEAH. 
          SHALL MEAN. 
          SHALL MEANING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE WAY THAT'S THE, THE 24 7 AUTOMATED FIRE DETECTION IS A REQUIREMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED, UM, I I BELIEVE THAT NEXT SENTENCE RELATES TO PASSIVE MITIGATION AGAINST THE SPREAD OF FIRE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO IF, IF THAT IS NOT IN THE DESIGN, EACH ONE HAS TO HAVE THEIR OWN FIRE SUPPRESSION TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO, SORRY, YOU'RE TOO TALL. 
          TOO TALL. 
          I, I'LL, I'LL GET DOWN THERE TO HORSE . 
          UM, EACH CONTAINER ASSEMBLY SHOULD HAVE BUILT IN FIRE SUPPRESSION TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS A LOT OF THE OLD TECHNOLOGY HAD LIKE A TRUE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. 
          AND NOW IT'S ALL ABOUT KEEPING THAT, UH, COMPARTMENT SELF-CONTAINED SO THAT OXYGEN CAN'T GET IN THERE AND NOT ALLOW IT TO PROLIFERATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT SPRINKLED LIKE THE OLD TECHNOLOGY WAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK BASED ON THE MODERN DESIGN, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE 24 7 FIRE DE FIRE DETECTION AND THAT PASSIVE MITIGATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY CONTAINMENT MM-HMM . 
          IS GONNA BE BUILT. 
          THAT'S 24 7 OBVIOUSLY. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE STRUCTURE DOESN'T CHANGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THESE, THESE THINGS ARE MONITORED 24 7 THROUGH LIKE A, I THINK CALL, THEY CALL IT LIKE THE BRAIN OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE LOADED WITH SENSORS AND IN THE EVENT ONE UNIT HEATS UP, THEY CAN SHUT DOWN SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE AS BIG AS A COMPUTER SERVER JUST IN THE INTERIOR COMPONENTS. 
          THEY CAN SHUT DOWN ONE AND TAKE IT OFFLINE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE CONTAINMENT IS THE, THE CONTAINMENT IS THE KEY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS LITTLE PART THAT SAYS IF SUCH A DESIGN IS NOT AVAILABLE DOESN'T REALLY APPLY. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT, IT IS AVAILABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONTAINERS THAT, UM, ARE MADE. 
          SO THEY ARE COM NO OXYGEN GET IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A 24 7 FIRE DETECTION SYSTEM. 
          SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          I I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE SOME QUESTION ABOUT IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE OR NOT? 'CAUSE ONCE WE HAVE PROJECTS ROLLED THROUGH HERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING. 
          OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          DO YOU HAVE THAT? SURE. 
          AND I THINK, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M NOT A FIRE ENGINEER, BUT I THINK IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE MANUFACTURER. 
          SO CERTAIN MODELS ARE, ARE RIGHT LIQUID COOLS, SOME CERTAIN MODELS ARE AIR COOLED. 
          SO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN. 
          SO I THINK THE REASON THAT SUCH IF SUCH A DESIGN IS NOT AVAILABLE IS TO ACCOUNT FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOUR BACKSTOP ON THIS ISSUE IS THAT EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE BAKED AT FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN COORDINATION WITH YOUR, YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO YOU'RE CATCHING ALL THE MOST UP TO DATE REGULATIONS. 
          AND WE'RE OPTING INTO THE N-F-P-A-A 8 5 5, WHICH I SAID AT THAT, UH, OUR EARLIER MEETING. 
          THAT IS THE VERY BEST AND MOST UP TO DATE CODE ON THIS USE. 
          IT HAS NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED IN VIRGINIA. 
          'CAUSE VIRGINIA'S USUALLY TWO OR THREE YEARS BEHIND THE NATIONAL TREND MM-HMM . 
          SO WE'RE OPTING INTO THAT VIA THIS ORDINANCE. 
          SO ALL THESE COMPONENTS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE DESIGNED IN CONFORMANCE WITH N FFA A FIVE FIVE. 
          AND THE GENTLEMAN I WAS HERE WITH AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE INVOLVED IN WORKING ON THAT N FFA A FIVE FIVE CODE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE YOU WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR NOTICE QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          FOUR SIX C3. 
          UM, NUMBER THREE, THE BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SHALL BE CAPABLE OF SHUTTING DOWN AND ISSUING AN ALARM IN RESPONSE TO AN UNSAFE CONDITION. 
          SO, AND MAYBE THIS COMES OUT IN THE PLAN THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE IS IT AN ALARM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A DOMINION HOUSE, THINGS ALL AROUND THE COUNTY, WHICH OF COURSE NOW WE GET IT ON OUR PHONES. 
          UM, SO DO WE KNOW EXACT KIND OF WHAT THAT ALARM IS? OR 
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IS THAT GONNA BE PRESENTED TO US ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS? I WOULD SAY THAT ALARM RELATES TO THAT, THAT REMOTE CONTROL CENTER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO IT, OKAY. 
          IT GOES UP TO A CONTROL CENTER. 
          THEY'RE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO SHUT OFF CERTAIN COMPONENTS AND THEN FROM THAT CONTROL CENTER, THEY WOULD ACTIVATE LOCAL, UH, EMERGENCY RESPONSE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BUZZER OR A SUR A SUR NUKE SIGN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, MY NEIGHBOR STILL HAS ONE OF THOSE, UH, LAYING IN HIS CHARGE. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S ONE CLOSE TO MY HOUSE IN WILLIAMSBURG. 
          OH REALLY? OKAY. 
          NEAR DETAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, WARNING SIGNAGE, UM, SHALL BE PLACED ON, UM, BUILDING ENTRANCES. 
          UM, SHOULD WE ALSO ADD AT THE ENTRY OF THE FACILITY? SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT PUTTING THEM, ACTUALLY I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CATCH. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT IT'S AT THE ENTRANCE. 
          ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY AND AS NEEDED ON THE INDIVIDUAL CONTAINERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE THEY, THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY BUILDINGS, THEY'RE NOT HABITABLE TRUCTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          CAN'T GET IN THEM. 
          THEY'RE JUST, AND IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, YOU WOULD WANT IT AT THE ENTRY POINT, I WOULD SAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO THEN SIX NUMBER SIX, SAME SECTION. 
          UM, OKAY, SO IT SAYS IN THE AR DISTRICT, SO RIGHT NOW OUR SOLAR AREAS, THE PARCELS ARE SWITCHED OVER FROM AR TO M1 OR M TWO ARE, ARE WE NOT DOING THAT FOR BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM PARCELS? YES, SIR. 
          SIR, FOR BATTERY STORAGE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THE ORDER IS SAYING IS WE'RE ALLOWED IT AS AN AR DISTRICT USE AS A, AS A CONDITION USE PERMIT IN THREE DISTRICTS AR M1 AND M TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS, I GUESS THIS BOARD OR THIS COMMISSION MAY WANT TO DISCUSS. 
          I'M NOT SAYING IT HAVE TO DISCUSS IT RIGHT NOW, BUT MIGHT, I THINK IT MIGHT BE TWO TIMES. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY. 
          I MEAN SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE AS INVOLVED AS A SOLAR PROJECT. 
          UM, WHY ARE WE GOING TO LET IT IN AR SO IT WOULD BE AR WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO, UM, TYPICALLY THESE PROJECTS, THEY'RE NOT TAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF LANDMASS AS A SOLAR PROJECT. 
          UM, SOLAR PROJECTS TYPICALLY TAKE UP THOUSANDS OF ACRES. 
          THESE PROJECTS TAKE UP LESS THAN 50 ACRES. 
          SO, AND, AND, AND CHANGING YOUR ZONING MAPS TO ALLOW FOR, UM, UH, INDUSTRIAL USE IN THE MIDDLE OF AGRICUL, MOSTLY PROBABLY AGRICULTURAL USES. 
          IF THEY'RE GONNA BE IN AR DISTRICTS, YOU'D HAVE WHAT'S CALLED SPOT ZONING. 
          SO THERE, I MEAN I, I, I THINK, I MEAN I GOT TWO ATTORNEYS HERE. 
          THEY CAN PROBABLY LET YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF SPOT ZONINGS ARE. 
          BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT IS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE TO PUT AZO A M1, A M1 ZERO PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, AGRICULTURAL USE, WHICH YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN, IN THAT AGRICULTURAL AREA FOR RURAL PRESERVATION. 
          MAKE SURE YOU, UM, MITIGATE TO THE BEST EXTENT. 
          SO YOU KEEP THAT SAME CHARACTER FOR AGRICULTURAL IN THAT AREA. 
          IF, IF, IF YOU KEEP THAT THOSE SAME AR KEEPING THAT CHARACTER IN PLACE SO THAT YOU KNOW, IT STILL, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A FAR MORE FORESTRY WHATEVER STILL IN THE AREA. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A WAY TO MAKE SURE YOU AS A WHOLE LOOK AT THAT AS, AS A COMMISSION THEN ULTIMATELY AS A BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THAT. 
          BUT IN, IN MY OPINION, AS PLAYING DIRECTOR, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, HORACE, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE? I THINK IT SHOULD CONCLUDE AR M1 AND M TWO. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          I THINK, UM, MR. FOSTER AND MS. PERKINS MAY HAVE SOME OTHER POINTS TO CLARIFY ON THAT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. BEARANCE THAT I GET MY, IT'S MY TAKE THAT THESE THINGS, IF YOU HAD TO PICK A USE THAT THEY'RE MOST AKIN TO IN THE COUNTY NOW, IT'S ESSENTIALLY AS CLOSE TO, FROM A FOREMAN FUNCTION PERSPECTIVE AS A BIG SUBSTATION, WHICH ARE PERMITTED IN YOUR AG DISTRICT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, SO, UH, FOOTPRINT, INTENSITY, IMPACT AESTHETICS, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. 
          SO, BUT A SUBSTATION WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THESE NEW, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS HERE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, IF I WANTED TO PUT A HOG HOUSE UP, I GOTTA GET REZONED. 
          I CAN'T PUT THAT IN AR SO I, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT KEEPING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF, OF THE AR DISTRICT BY ALLOWING IT IN THAT DISTRICT. 
          THAT'S AN INTERESTING, SO IF YOU PUT A HOG HOUSE ON YOUR WELL OF A C, WHAT IS IT? A-C-F-A-O, CONFINED ANIMAL FEEDING OPERATION, UHHUH, , WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          UH, SO NOW WHAT DOES THAT BECOME? THAT WOULD TO BE ZONE AL UH, OH'S ALLOWED WOULD CATCH IT GOES INTO A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          SO WHEN YOU, YOU 
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COMPARE IT TO A, UH, SUBSTATION, BUT WE, I MEAN TECHNOLOGY WISE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS. 
          AREN'T WE CO COMPLETELY FUNCTION RELATIVE TO THE GRID? IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT USE. 
          UH, TECHNOLOGY'S A DIFFERENT USE. 
          UH, I USE THAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE IN JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE NOT YET ADOPTED A BATTERY STORAGE ORDINANCE, GIVEN THE SIZE GENERAL FUNCTION RELATIVE TO THE GRID, UH, A NUMBER OF LOCALITIES HAVE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS ISSUED DETERMINATION SAYING, WE ARE GONNA TREAT THIS AS IF IT WERE A SUBSTATION UNDER YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE DID NOT YET PROVIDE FOR BATTERY, UH, STORAGE MM-HMM . 
          SO THEY FALL UNDER THOSE SUBSTATION TYPE REGS. 
          SO THEY, IF IT NEEDS A CUP, IT GETS A CUP, UH, BUFFERS, SETBACKS, ET CETERA. 
          SO THEY'VE OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE LUMPED IT IN THAT SUBSTATION TYPE USE. 
          SO THE, THE ONE MOST RECENTLY THAT I'VE WORKED IN THAT HAD DONE THAT IS LOUDOUN COUNTY PRIOR TO ADOPTION OF, THEY, THEY HAVE NOW ADOPTED A BATTERY ONES, BUT THE EARLY ONES THEY PERMITTED, THEY DID IT VIA THAT ZONING DETERMINATION THAT IT WAS AKIN ENOUGH TO A SUBSTATION. 
          YOU COULD BE TREATED LIKE ONE. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING LOUDON STAYED WITH THE AR DESIGNATION IN ORIGINALLY YES. 
          ORIGINALLY. 
          BUT NOW THEY DO WHAT THEY HAVE NOW ADOPTED A BEST ORDINANCE AND I BELIEVE IT'S, I I CAN'T QUOTE WHICH DISTRICTS IT'S PERMIT IT'S PERMITTED IN. 
          SO IF THEY ADOPTED A BEST ORDINANCE, ARE YOU SAYING THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE MAKING AN M1 AND M THEY'RE EQUIVALENT OF M1. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY TREAT IT BY THE DISTRICTS, BUT BY ADOPTING A BEST ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE ADOPTED USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS. 
          THEY'RE NOT RELYING ON A SIMILAR USE LIKE A, LIKE A SUB NO. 
          ALLOWING IT INTO EXACTLY, EXACTLY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          IS THERE A LIMIT ON HOW BIG THESE, UH, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES CAN BE? I, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE NOT IN HERE, UH, PURE, IT'S PURELY BASED ON INTERCONNECTION. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET, I'M WORKING ON ONE UP IN KING GEORGE RIGHT NOW, WHICH HAS A, WHICH HAS A BEST ORDINANCE. 
          THAT PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, BUT THEY DO PERMIT IT IN AG DISTRICTS WITH THE CEP. 
          UH, THAT ONE I THINK IS GONNA BE, IT'S A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS AND IT'S SITTING ON ABOUT 15 ACRES. 
          SO IT'S PRE IT'S SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR RIGHT. 
          PRETTY BIG MEGA. 
          SO, UH, FOLLOWING UP TO MR. BERRYMAN'S QUESTION, IF, IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO ALLOW IT TO BE, UM, BUILT IN A AG DISTRICT, COULD WE LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE THE PROJECT? YOU COULD. 
          I MEAN, IT'S MY INTERPRETATION. 
          YOU COULD PUT AN ACREAGE LIMITATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL IN WHAT YOU DEFINE AS THIS, AS THE SITE. 
          THE OTHER THING YOU COULD DO IS MAKE PUT, YEAH, YOU, YOU'D WANT, YOU'D WANT TO, YOU'D WANNA BE CAREFUL IN YOUR, IN YOUR DEFINITION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES THE PROJECT, BECAUSE ARE YOU GONNA INCLUDE YOUR BUFFERS, SETBACKS, ET CETERA. 
          SO THE LAST MEETING THEY HAD, WE, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS WHAT, TWO MAYBE TWO OR THREE DIAGRAMS IN THE, IN THE BOOK JUST KIND OF GIVING US SOME REFERENCE POINTS WITH SOME WERE LARGER THAN LARGER THAN OTHERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD SAY FOOTPRINT WISE, IF YOU, IF YOU MADE IT, UH, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD ACCOMMODATE PRETTY MUCH EVERY BATTERY PROJECT IF YOU MADE IT A, LIKE A 50 ACRE LIMITATION. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUSIVE OF EVERYTHING. 
          SO BUFFERS, YOU KNOW, YOUR TRUE LIMITED DISTURBANCE, YOU SAID THAT WAS 50 ACRES. 
          I THINK YOU COULD, YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE MOST ANY PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          SO I'M GLAD WE GOT THAT STRAIGHT  ABOUT THE AR. 
          ALRIGHT, SO SETBACKS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I, I HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT BE LOCATED AT LEAST 200 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES IF YOU'RE IN THE AR DISTRICT, 500 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE GO INTO THE M1 AND M TWO DISTRICT 75 FEET. 
          SO I'M, I'M KIND OF LUMPING UP SEVERAL OF THESE. 
          I'VE GOT ABOUT, I THINK WE, I THINK WE NEED MORE SETBACKS. 
          AND ONE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE, SO LIKE M1 AND M TWO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD AT ONE TIME I THINK A DAYCARE AND NOW WE'VE GOT A REGISTRAR'S OFFICE IN IT, IN THE M1 DISTRICT. 
          SO SHOULD WE SOMEHOW THINK ABOUT THAT, THE SETBACKS OF WHAT'S REALLY AROUND WHERE THESE ARE GOING. 
          AND ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE SELF-CONTAINED AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF L GOES RIGHT, THEY'LL, ANY KIND OF FIRE WILL BE SUPPRESSED. 
          BUT IF FOR SOME REASON IT'S A BAD DAY AND IT RUPTURES SOMEHOW, 
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AND THEN CHEMICALS ARE RELEASED AND WE HAVEN'T DONE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD BRING AN INDEPENDENT OPINION IN WHAT'S THE RIGHT DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHAT IF IT RUPTURES AND CHEMICALS COME OUT AND IT'S A WINDY DAY AND MR. BERRYMAN'S WHOLE THOUSAND ACRES IS COVERED IN CHEMICALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO PAYS FOR THAT. 
          YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? OR IF THE RED STAR WE'RE ALL IN THERE VOTING AND THERE'S A RUPTURE AND IT'S ONLY 75 FEET FROM US, SHOULDN'T WE LOOK MORE INTO WHAT'S THE RIGHT AMOUNT? I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS APPROPRIATE TO THE DISCUSSION OF COMING FROM A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS PASSED FOR, FOR ENERGY PROJECTS. 
          I THINK JUST, UH, LOOKING AT NOISE GENERATING THINGS THAT ARE, ARE CONSIDERED NOISE GENERATING. 
          LOOKING AT THAT, I THINK WE SAID IT AS A SUGGESTION IN THE COMFORT OF PLANE WAS SEVEN 50 FEET, UM, WAS SOMETHING THAT WE USE. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY STAYING HERE IS KIND OF SOMEWHAT, UM, MIRRORING WHAT WE SAID THEY CONDUCT AT THE TIME OF DISCUSSION. 
          WERE THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. 
          SO FROM 200 FEET TO SAY 750 FEET, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I THINK IF YOU KEEP IN MIND OF SAFETY AND NOISE, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER THOSE. 
          NOW THE CONFERENCE OF THE PLAN IS NOT IN ORDINANCE EITHER. 
          SO THOSE TWO, THOSE ARE STRONG SUGGESTIONS THAT WE ARE TELLING DEVELOPERS UP FRONT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT QUOTE UNQUOTE CODIFYING, PUTTING IN A, IN A CODE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ANY PROJECT COMING BEFORE US. 
          THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, UM, SHOULD IT BE 200 FEET? SHOULD IT BE 750 FEET? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF AND MAKE A CASE FOR WHY AND WHY NOT. 
          I, I SEE, I SEE DEFINITELY 200 FEET. 
          WHY NOT? UM, UM, SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU, THE P COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER. 
          BUT I I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM PROVIDING THAT, PROVIDING THAT DISTANCE FOR USES THAT ADDITIONAL DISTANCES FOR USES THAT ARE NOT INDUSTRIAL. 
          AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT YOUR JOB AND YOUR ROLE AND, AND, AND GOVERNMENT'S JOB AND ROLES, HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE. 
          SO IN THINKING ABOUT THAT, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATION, YOU ALL MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE AND THE BOARD MAKING APPROVAL FOR ORDINANCES, WHAT THINGS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          SO I I, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THERE. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THERE. 
          UM, I, I THINK JUST WORKING WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AND SEE IF, CAN WE MOVE ALONG TO MAKE SOME AGREEMENTS TO WHETHER TO CHANGE THAT PART OF IT, KEEP IT THE SAME. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT MR. CHIEF DOES MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS THERE. 
          WELL, LET ME JUST ADD, SO I KNOW YOU SAID THE ORDINANCE IS LIKE THE MINIMUM, RIGHT? THAT'S WE'RE SETTING OUT, IT'S A COUNTY. 
          WE'RE SAYING IT HAS TO AT LEAST BE THIS. 
          NOW THESE ARE GONNA HAVE C PS PUT THEM MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IS THAT WHERE WE SAY, OH, THIS IS NEXT TO THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HIT. 
          AND THAT, AND THEN, THEN YOU SET YOUR NEW MINIMUM WITH YOUR CEPS MM-HMM . 
          WITH YOUR, YOUR NEW, YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THIS PROJECT OVER HERE BECAUSE OF WHERE LOCATED SHOULD BE 800 FEET. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU COULD BE THIS, THIS FEE SO THAT YOUR COMFORT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HELPS GUIDE YOU THERE, RIGHT. 
          TO GET YOU, TO GET YOU THERE. 
          I MEAN, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HELPING YOU GUIDE IT WITH THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. 
          SO YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT BOTH DOCUMENTS. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOUR ORDINANCE, AND THEN BOTH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOUR ORDINANCE TO DEVELOP YOUR CEP APPLICATION AND, AND HOW, HOW IT'S APPROVED. 
          SO I WOULD CONSIDER ALL THOSE, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICATION JUST YET, THIS PROJECT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER PROJECT OUT THERE. 
          SO, I MEAN, IF IT WAS NEXT TO THE, LET'S SAY IF IT'S NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL REPORT, NEXT TO THE REGISTER'S OFFICE, OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT. 
          SO DO YOU SEE THERE, IF THERE'S AN, IS THERE A NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? OR IS IT JUST A NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS? WE'RE GONNA DO A CUP AND I, I SEE YOUR POINT. 
          ESPECIALLY I SEE YOUR POINT IN CONCERN, ESPECIALLY HERE, 75 FEET. 
          IT SEEMS SMALL. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I I SEE YOUR POINT IN CONCERN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO STAFF TO WORK ON SOME THINGS TO, WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT AND SAY, LISTEN, THESE ARE, CAN WE, CAN WE COME UP WITH A, UH, A NEW MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS ONE TO WORK WITH? I, I THINK WE CAN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO BETTER THAN WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS CURRENTLY HERE, BUT IT ALREADY STATES MINIMUM. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN PROPOSE IT STATES MINIMUM BE LOCATED AT MINIMUM OF AT LEAST 75. 
          SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY 
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TO MAKE THAT. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE WE GET STUCK WITH THE MINIMUM A LOT. 
          BUT I'M OPTIMISTIC IN THIS DOCUMENT STARTING, BUT WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT, AND WE TALK ABOUT A CUP, THAT IS WHERE WE PUT ACTUAL LIMITATIONS AND RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD, RIGHT? 'CAUSE REMEMBER WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO THE BOARD YES. 
          AND THEN THE BOARD MAKES THE FINAL DECISION. 
          SO AGAIN, WE, WE CAN PUT MORE STRINGENT LIMITATIONS WHEN WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT COME BEFORE US. 
          I'M SORRY, 75 FEET MAY WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. 
          IN SOME PLACES, MAYBE  AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES NEEDED FOR ENERGY BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT AN ENERGY BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY BESIDE THE APARTMENTS DOWN ON LEBANON ROAD. 
          THEY'RE GOING BESIDE A TRANSMISSION LINE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND YOU DON'T HAVE, IN MOST CASES, HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS BESIDE A TRANSMISSION LINE. 
          IF YOU DO, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT THE CUP AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED MORE SIT BACKS. 
          WE, WE NEED MORE STRINGENT, UM, RESTRICTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT. 
          I'M SORRY, I THINK MS. PERKINS IS, SOMEBODY WAS ABOUT TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT, DOES THAT ADDRESS PART OF YOUR CONCERN, MS? YEAH, I THINK, UM, I WANTED TO JUST GET THAT TOPIC OUT THERE. 
          I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS GO FOR HIGHER MINIMUMS, BUT I THINK THAT WORKS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          DID DID JUDGE AND THE, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, SO THE REASON WE PICKED THE REASON 75 FEET IS, IS FOR THE M1 AND M TWO DISTRICT IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE UNDERLYING SETBACKS RIGHT. 
          IN THAT DISTRICT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT WEDDED TO THAT. 
          IF, IF YOU WANTED TO, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT HIGHER IN THE M1 DISTRICT FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE, YOU, YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST, WE WERE JUST RELYING ON WHAT'S IN THE RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I'M LIKE, WELL, MAYBE WE, WE AS THE COUNTY NEEDS A TECHNICAL, AN INDEPENDENT TECHNICAL JUST ANALYSIS OF THIS TO INFORM US THAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT MIGHT BE GOOD GOING FORWARD. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE IN THIS, THAT THE MINIMUM HERE ISN'T WRONG, BUT AS WE DEVELOP CS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE TOO, ABOUT TECHNICAL REVIEW FEES. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION TOO. 
          SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, IT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO ZIPPING DOWN TO, I SEE, I THINK I'VE FOUND THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, IT'S GONNA BE 30 FEET. 
          IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? I KIND OF FOUND THAT IN A DIFFERENT SECTION THAN THE C EIGHT. 
          UM, UH, C EIGHT DIDN'T TELL ME, UH, 4 6 0 9 C EIGHT DIDN'T REALLY SAY WHAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WAS, BUT THEN I FOUND IT IN ANOTHER SECTION, I THINK. 
          WHICH SECTION ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WAS C 12. 
          C 12. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I MEAN, I THINK I, IT'S 30 FEET IS WHAT I SAW. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE. 
          THE, UM, OKAY. 
          SO I THINK I KIND OF ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION, BUT, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THEN NINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON NUMBER NINE, C NINE IS NOISE. 
          AND I KNOW EVERYONE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE NOISE. 
          SO I INCLUDED A CHART, UM, ABOUT, JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA ABOUT NOISE. 
          AND SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS RECOMMENDING NO LOUDER THAN 72. 
          UM, I THINK WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE A LOWER AMOUNT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NOISE THAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE SOLAR, UM, PROJECTS. 
          SO I RECOMMENDED 40, WHICH IS MORE COMPARABLE WITH OUR NORMAL NOISE LEVEL NATURE AS OPPOSED TO A DISHWASHER RUNNING ALL THE TIME. 
          SO I, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND WE BRING DOWN THAT NOISE LEVEL THAT IS MENTIONED IN A C NINE. 
          IT SAYS THEY WILL NOT EXCEED 72, WHICH I THANK YOU THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA EXCEED 72, BUT I THINK IF WE SHOULD STRIVE FOR 40 ADDRESS. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO I DID A LITTLE BIT OF WORK ON THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF THE KEY POINT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT FROM THE LAST TIME. 
          SO TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. 
          SO THIS IS SOME MODIFIED LANGUAGE AND A NOISE CHART. 
          THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          AND NOISE IS, NOISE IS REALLY HARD TO LEGISLATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S, IT'S HARD TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND BECAUSE, UM, 
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YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S AMBIENT NOISE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE NOISE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE NOISE. 
          'CAUSE YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WHAT'S THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, RURAL SURREY? SO IF YOU, I'VE, I'VE GOT A, GOT AN APP ON MY PHONE. 
          SO I'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS DBA METER SINCE THIS MEETING STARTED, AND THE AVERAGE DBA IS 59.4 IN THIS ROOM WITH ALL THIS NOISE BAFFLING. 
          UM, MS. PERKINS CLOCKED IN AT 70, I THINK WHEN I WAS WATCHING IT. 
          SHE WAS THE HIGHEST I'D HEARD  AND, AND MY, MY CONVERSATION RIGHT HERE WITH IT, I GUESS IT'S AMPLIFIED BY THE MICROPHONE, BUT IT'S, IT'S RIGHT BETWEEN 70 AND 75. 
          SO, UM, LIKE I SAY, NOISE IS HARD TO LEGISLATE BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S AN ATTRIBUTION ISSUE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT WE CAN, WE CAN MODEL THAT A PROJECT WON'T EXCEED BASED ON THE, THE SELECTED EQUIPMENT USING THE, THE, THE RATED NOISE OUTTA THAT EQUIPMENT. 
          YOU CAN BUILD A MODEL THAT SAYS THE NOISE FROM THIS PROJECT WILL BE X AT X DISTANCE. 
          SO THEY, SO THAT, THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE PROPOSED THIS PROPERTY LINE VALUE AS TO SAY, OKAY, PRIOR TO FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE USING A SOUND ENGINEER THAT WE CAN COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO IF, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME, SOME, SOME MODIFIED LANGUAGE THERE WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT WE CAN COMPLY WITH 65 DBA AT A PROPERTY LINE. 
          WHICH IF YOU, IF YOU SEE ON THIS CHART IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WHAT IT'S LIKE BEING IN A, AN OFFICE OR JUST HAVING BACKGROUND MUSIC ON. 
          I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND GREAT FOR RURAL SURREY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT SOUND IS THERE HAS TO BE SOMEWHERE SOMEBODY THERE TO HEAR IT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SOUND AND HOW IT IMPACTS PEOPLE, I THINK WE COULD GO TO SOMETHING LIKE FORD AT THE NEAREST OCCUPIED STRUCTURE. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS, RESTAURANT, HOME, ET CETERA, THAT WAY YOU'RE, THAT WAY, YOU'RE BUILDING THE MODEL SO THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY FIGURING OUT WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE ON AN ADJACENT PARCEL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO DO, I, I WOULD PREFER A 65 AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN SOME OTHER VALUE AT A, AT THE NEAREST RECEPTOR, IF YOU WILL, AT THE NEAREST WHAT RECEPTOR I'LL OCCUPIED STRUCTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE THIS SAYING, MS CHEEKS, YOU GOTTA TELL ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS TO GET RID OF THE DOGS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND NO CARS CAN COME PAST YOUR HOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT SEE, THIS NOISE IS ALL THE TIME. 
          SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T RUN 24 HOURS A DAY. 
          THEY RUN WHEN THEY'RE CHARGING AND DISCHARGE MM-HMM . 
          SO, AND HOW OFTEN DO THEY DO THAT? DEPENDS. 
          IT DEPENDS ON THE USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, BUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT MADE TO RUN 24 HOURS A DAY THOUGH. 
          WELL, I, I'M BASING IT ON WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE EXPERIENCING NOW. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S, AND MAYBE IT'S, IT'S LUCKY FOR THEM. 
          IT ONLY RUNS WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE HOME. 
          YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T RUN LIKE THAT WHEN THEY'RE GONE DURING THE DAY. 
          UM, AND SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S, THIS IS A HARD, IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE, BUT I THINK, UM, AS PLANNERS THAT WE, WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE PUTTING IN THEM. 
          SO YOU MIGHT SAY, LET'S TAKE IT DOWN FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY POPULATED, BUT WHAT IF I HAVE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT POPULATED, BUT I WANT TO HAVE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THERE, OR I WANT TO SELL HORSE HORSE LITTLE FARMS OR SO. 
          SO WE JUST HAVE TO, AS PLANNERS THINK ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE WANT THIS COUNTY TO GROW. 
          I KNOW THAT I, I KNOW THAT WE WANT THIS COUNTY TO GROW, SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO, UM, BE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE WHEN THE NOISE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BUILD WALLS AROUND IT. 
          YOU CAN DO THINGS. 
          I KNOW THAT THESE AND TECHNOLOGY MAY IMPROVE AND IT'LL BE BETTER. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD IF YOU ALL KIND OF HELP US AND BE CONSERVATIVE IN THIS AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO UNDER, UNDER NINE, SUBSECTION TWO, WE ALLOW THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO, IN, IN THE EVENT, LET'S SAY THAT IT IS, WE DO GO WITH YOUR NUMBER OF 40. 
          AND OUR MODEL 
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SAYS WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA HIT 40, GIVEN WHERE THE PROJECT IS. 
          THERE IS A PROVISION WHERE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN ALLOW FOR MINOR STRUCTURES TO ASSIST IN NOISE ABATEMENT. 
          IT'S, I PERMITTED ONE ON THE EASTERN SHORE. 
          UH, AIMA COUNTY ON THE ROAD IN SHIITE WAS ADJACENT TO A COUPLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND A MOBILE HOME PARK TIGHT LOT. 
          SO, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET THE UNDERLYING NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH I BELIEVE AT THAT DISTRICT WAS 55 AT THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT PROJECT HAD TO HAVE A 16 FOOT SOUND WALL. 
          NOW GRANTED IT, THAT WAS, IT WAS TIGHT, TIGHT FOOTPRINT. 
          BUT THE, THE REASON I TELL YOU THAT IS THERE CAN BE UNINTENDED EFFECTS OF HAVING A LOW DBA IF YOU THEN HAVE TO BUILD A SOUND WALL AROUND IT. 
          'CAUSE THAT PROJECT, WHEN IT'S BUILT, WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A JERSEY WALL ALL THE WAY AROUND IT WITH BAFFLING ON THE INSIDE. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY, MAYBE NOT, LET'S CALL IT FOUR TO FIVE FEET TALLER THAN THE ACTUAL FACILITY. 
          SO THE OVERALL PROFILE IS RAISED IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THAT UNDER UNDERLYING ZONING REQUIREMENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TECHN TECHNOLOGICALLY YOU CAN GET TO THE OUTCOME YOU WANT, BUT THERE IS, THERE WOULD BE A TRADE OFF AT LEAST VISUALLY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION ON NOISE. 
          UM, I THINK I ON THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MOVE TO SECTION 4 6 0 9 C 11. 
          UM, MR. WADE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE PUT THAT DARK SKY REQUIREMENT IN ON LIGHTING AND ABOUT LIGHTS POINTING DOWN. 
          DO WE WANT TO DO THAT HERE TOO? I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER. 
          I'M SORRY, WHAT? I SAID, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE, I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER. 
          I THINK MR. FOSTER CITY, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY NUMBER 13, SECTION 4 6 0 9 D, UM, I, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT DE-ENERGIZE AND, AND THIS COULD BE MORE OF ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO DE-ENERGIZE? UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING I BROUGHT UP ABOUT CHEMICALS BEING RELEASED, THESE ARE JUST TOPICS THAT MAYBE AREN'T ADDRESSED IN HERE AND MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE. 
          UM, BUT THEY, IT BROUGHT THOSE TOPICS TO MIND THAT AS WE PROCESS PROJECTS, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THESE. 
          I I THINK FOR YOUR QUESTION NUMBER 13 THERE WITH OKAY. 
          WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU DID HAVE, I'M SORRY, WHAT THE QUESTION THAT YOU DID HAVE, I THINK, THINK THEY WOULD BASICALLY BE BASED ON THE WHATEVER PROJECT IT WAS, I THINK WOULD BE, THESE ARE PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BASICALLY KEEP THESE NOTES TO, FOR YOU AND BRING IT BACK UP WHEN THEIR PROJECT COMES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SPECIFICALLY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD PROJECT, GOOD QUESTIONS TO ASK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOME THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT PROBABLY CAN, UM, ASK, ANSWER, ANSWER, UM, IN ADVANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, WHICH IS NORMALLY, YOU KNOW ME, I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AT THAT. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS NICE. 
          WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          MY LAST 1, 6 0 9, UH, H TWO V, UM, IT MENTIONED SOLAR PANELS. 
          I THINK THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY A HAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I YIELD THE FLOOR BACK TO YOU CHAIR, MR. CHAIR. 
          I DID HAVE SOME THINGS FROM MR. COGAN. 
          UH, MR. COGAN SEEMS AS REGARDS, HE'S HAVING HIS 12TH GRANDCHILD. 
          OH, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THIS MORNING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          UM, IS MR. COGAN, I THINK HE WANTED TO LOOK AT A PART PORTION ABOUT LANDSCAPE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING BUFFERING. 
          AND THAT IS ON PAGE 18 OF 22, THE SCREENING AND BUFFERING. 
          HE SAID AREAS AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE FENCING SHOULD EX EXTEND 25 FEET. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HE WANTED TO ADDRESS UNDER SEVEN. 
          ONE, SOME 18 OF 22. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO HE JUST, HE JUST WANTED MAKE SURE, I THINK IT SAID WHAT TO HAVE ON THAT PERIMETER, THAT 25 FOOT PERIMETER. 
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HE WA YOU KNOW, I THINK HE SAID THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I THINK JUST IN GENERAL SAID, HEY, THOSE WERE HIS CONCERNS AND HE PASSED ON TODAY AND SAYING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THAT SINCE HE COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF NOTES THAT HE SAID, I THINK SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL PROBABLY AGREE WITH, WITH JUST ADDING THAT SECTION THERE. 
          UM, I THINK EVEN, EVEN AT THE LAST MEETING, I THINK YOU ALL AGREED WITH HIM, BUT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NOTES WERE PASSED ON TO THIS MEETING AS WELL. 
          WHAT WAS IT? UH, AREAS AROUND THE EXTERIOR, I'M SORRY. 
          AREAS AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE FENCING SHOULD EXCEED, EXTEND 25 FEET. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY I HAVE TO PULL IT UP IN MY, IN MY, 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, I THINK HE COPIED IT, THIS SENT TO A-P-A-P-D-F OR A PICTURE OF THE PDF. 
          SO I, I CAN FORWARD THIS OUT FOR, WE FOREST US TO MIX THE CORRECTIONS, BUT IT WAS, UM, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY AFTER SEVEN I OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. WOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION RELATED TO, UH, PC ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2024 DASH OH FOUR? I, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION I I JUST THOUGHT OF, AND I'M PROBABLY LATE FOR THIS, BUT HAS, HAS ANY IN, UH, ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY EVER VISITED, UM, A BATTERY STORAGE SITE OR NOT? NOT YET. 
          WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT MR. FLOSSER SAID IS, IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          I WAS THINKING BACK, KNOW WE APPROVED OUR FIRST SOLAR FARM WITHOUT GOING TO LOOK MM-HMM . 
          WE APPROVED THE ALIGN PROJECT WITHOUT REALLY GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE. 
          I I CAN'T SAY I'VE DRIVEN BY ONE. 
          IF I HAVE, I I HADN'T NOTICED IT, BUT JUST, JUST THINKING, JUST A THOUGHT. 
          I THINK THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN SITES TO MR. FLOSSER HAS BROUGHT, HAS BROUGHT, HAS, UH, BROUGHT TO MIND, I THINK AT OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING. 
          UM, I THINK HE, AT SOME POINT MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN, WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD ARRANGE THAT. 
          UM, MAYBE, I THINK WE HAVE TO, DEPENDING ON WHO MAY, HOW MANY MEMBERS ARE INVOLVED. 
          MS. PERKINS WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ACTUAL NOTICE TO GO TO THAT SITE, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT OFFSITE. 
          SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE PROPERLY NOTICE IT. 
          IF THERE'RE GONNA BE MORE THAN TWO GOING MM-HMM . 
          NOW, I WOULD THINK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MIGHT WANT TO TAG ALONG TOO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE A, A, A JOINT TRIP. 
          MAYBE WE GET A BUS TO GO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          HAVE, HAVE SOME AND, AND LUNCH AND LEARN. 
          WE GOT A NEW SCHOOL BUS. 
          WE RIDE . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE ONE, RIGHT LAURA? WE'RE SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE NFPA, THE STANDARDS, SINCE THIS IS KIND OF NEW TO EVERYONE. 
          IS THERE ANY EQUIPMENT OUT THERE IN THE BATTERY STORAGE STUFF NOW THAT DOES IS, YOU KNOW, NOT MEETING THAT FAR AS, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A PROJECT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO USE X, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT TELLS US, HEY, YOU CAN'T USE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IF, SO, IF FINAL SITE PLAN, THE DESIGN AND THE SELECTED COMPONENTS ARE GONNA, YOU, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT IS NFPA 8, 5 5 COMPLIANCE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE COUNTY'S HOOK TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          SO A LOT OF THE OLDER TECHNOLOGY, YOU THE ONES THAT ARE TRUE BUILDINGS, RIGHT, THE, THOSE WOULD NOT BE NFA 8 55 COMPLIANT TODAY. 
          SO, UH, EVERYBODY KNOW EVERYBODY'S TALKING A LOT ABOUT TESLA. 
          SO TESLA IS ONE THAT GETS USED A LOT 'CAUSE IT, 'CAUSE IT IS COMPLIANT. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT THAT THE INDUSTRY HAS IS MEETING THAT STANDARD. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY EXPECTS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS TOPIC TONIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK AT THIS TIME WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO EITHER APPROVE, DENY OR TABLE, UH, THIS, UH, AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND TOPICS AND COMMENTS, UM, THAT HAVE COME UP DURING THE DISCUSSION. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO EITHER APPROVE, DENY OR TABLE. 
          COULD I ASK A, ASK A QUESTION ON YOUR, SO, UM, IF WE, IF WE TABLE IT, IT ALLOWS MR. WADE TO JUST DIGEST SOME OF ALL THIS AND YES. 
          AND THEN BRING BACK A CLEAN WELL FEBRUARY VERSION FOR US. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS SO THAT, 
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UH, MR. WADE CAN SEE IF HE NEEDS TO GIVE US A NEW VERSION OF THIS, GIVEN THE INPUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND, IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVING. 
          SECOND, THAT PC, UH, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2024 DASH OH FOUR B TABLED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT, THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN TAPED. 
          MR. WADE, DO YOU THINK WE NEED A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING IN THAT TIMEFRAME WHERE YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH US? IF WE I CAN, I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION ON, ON, ON THE, ON THE FINE. 
          I THINK WE, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INPUT NOW TO PUT THIS THING TO REST. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, I, I, I THINK, I THINK WE, THIS, THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING WAS TO GET THROUGH THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, AND IF WE, IF WE DO NEED TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST COMMUNICATING WITH THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY AND WE HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE ANSWERS TO IT. 
          IT MIGHT BE SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I MIGHT HAVE FOR FOLKS THAT DID HAVE CONCERNS MM-HMM . 
          JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ZERO IN ON WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS IT WITH THE APPLICANT OKAY. 
          TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CONCERNS WERE, WERE ADDRESSED, UM, IN THE MOST APPROPRIATE MANNER THAT HE CAN THAT SO AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND WE DO HAVE A VOTE, WE WILL HAVE A VOTE APPROPRIATE FOR IT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION TO SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, WE CAN BE WORKING ON THAT AS WELL. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS, UM, NUMBER ONE, EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES ZONING, DISTRICT AMENDMENT. 
          A MOTION TO BRING FORTH MR. WAITE. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS A ITEM THAT WE HAVE NOTICED, SOME THINGS THAT, UM, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE, UM, WORKING ON TO IMPROVE THE EMERGENCY EMERGENCY TECHNOLOGY ZONING DISTRICT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST, UH, BRINGING IT BEFORE YOU ALL, PRIOR TO US SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE'RE STILL WORKING ON SOME THINGS WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AS WELL AS OUR OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BRING THINGS FORWARD TO YOU ALL, UM, BEFORE THAT. 
          BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLACE FROM YOU ALL TO MAKE THE, THE MOTION, UM, NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT FOR BY YOU, BY YOU ALL AS A COMMISSION TO, TO, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THAT MR. CHIEF, MS. MS, UH, MS. SEE MIKE . 
          IF I COULD, IF I COULD ADD TO MR. WADE'S, UM, EX EXPLANATION. 
          SO PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE, UM, THERE HAS TO BE, THERE ARE CERTAIN WAYS THAT ORDINANCES AND AMENDMENTS TO ORDINANCES CAN BE INITIATED. 
          AND ONE OF THOSE IS THROUGH A, A MOTION OF A MOTION TO BRING FORTH AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. 
          IN THIS CASE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          YOU ALL HAVE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, UM, FOR DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. 
          IT WAS DONE FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE, UH, ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER THIS EVENING. 
          SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, IT'S BEEN, UH, JUST ABOUT A YEAR, I THINK SINCE THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS AND AS WE HAVE BEEN, UM, REVIEWING AND WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS. 
          AND AS MR. WADE, UH, ALSO INDICATED OUTSIDE COUNSEL, UM, WHO IS HELPING SOMEONE WHO DOES LAND USE EVERY SINGLE DAY, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOTICED SOME, SOME TWEAKS IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT ARE NEEDED AND NECESSARY. 
          AND WE ARE AGAIN, STILL, STILL WORKING. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMENDMENT. 
          UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT, AGAIN, SOME AMENDMENTS ARE NEEDED AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOU YOUR ALL'S AUTHORIZATION TO BEGIN TO FORMULATE LANGUAGE. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE ON THIS. 
          UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL GO THROUGH OUR CUSTOMARY PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER AN AMENDMENT. 
          UM, IF IT, IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE ZONING SUBCOMMITTEE, IT'LL GO TO THE ZONING SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, BEFORE WE THEN ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IF WE NEED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN, OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, CLARIFY THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARE GONNA BE COMING BEFORE YOU ALL IN FEBRUARY. 
          THAT THAT'S NOT A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T STARTED, UM, ACT ACTUALLY, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF IDEAS AND LOTS OF NOTES, BUT WE HAVEN'T PUT PUT THINGS TOGETHER YET IN A DOCUMENT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HEARING THE EXPLANATION FROM MR. WADE AND MS. PERKINS, IS THERE A MOTION AND I ACTUALLY HAVE DRAFT MOTION LANGUAGE IF ANYONE FEELS SO INCLINED, I WANNA READ IT. 
          I, THERE YOU GO. 
          [01:35:03]
, WAIT FOR MS. PERKINS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE ENGINE EMERGENT TECHNOLOGY ZONING DISTRICT AMENDMENT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 A SEVEN. 
          I MAKE A MOTION THAT PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE REQUIRED THAT AMENDMENTS TO THE SURY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SPECIFICALLY THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT, BE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON SUCH AMENDMENTS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SECOND, THERE HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. 
          AND SECOND, A MOTION TO BRING FORTH EMERGING TECHNOLOGY ZONING, DISTRICT AMENDMENT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. WADE. 
          NUMBER TWO, THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS OF UTILITY SERVICE MINOR AMENDMENT. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING BRAND NEW TO YOU ALL. 
          UM, SO I, I GIVE YOU THE SITUATION. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH HRSD. 
          HRSD HAS EXPANDED SOME THINGS THROUGHOUT, UM, S COUNTY. 
          THIS IS ALSO, I KNOW IN MR. MR. WOOD'S DAY JOB, HE'S EXPERIENCED THIS SITUATION TOO. 
          UM, THE CURRENT ZONING I WARRANT REQUIRES EACH LOT, MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO BE AN ACRE. 
          HRSD DOES NOT NEED AN ACRE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. 
          RIGHT? THEY PROBABLY NEED, WHAT, MAYBE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IF, IF THAT, UM, WHICH 43 MORE, 43 MORE TIMES THAN WHAT THEY REALLY NEED. 
          UM, SO THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR SOME OF THOSE, UM, MINOR THINGS LIKE A, A PUMP STATION TO WORK THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          THEY, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED LOTS THAT THEY WANT TO USE. 
          THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED A WHOLE FULL ACRE. 
          UM, WHAT THEY END UP DOING, I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE. 
          THEY HAVE A LOT AT THE, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH, UM, THE PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. 
          THEY JUST SUB DIVIDE AN AC OFF THE, THE, THE SCHOOL SITE JUST TO MEET THE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. 
          WELL, THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT MORE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS LEFT TO DO IN THE COUNTY AND THEY, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP RUNNING AGAINST THIS PROBLEM. 
          THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED THE ACRE EVERYWHERE THEY GO. 
          UM, THERE OTHER, OTHER LOCALITIES ARE THAT HAVE THESE EXCEPTIONS FOR UTILITIES, SOME MINOR UTILITIES. 
          YOU CAN HAVE PUMP STATIONS THROUGHOUT. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR ABILITY TO MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS HERE TO ALLOW FOR, UH, SMALLER LOT SIZES FOR USES LIKE THIS SO THAT WE, WE WOULD BREATHE THAT WE HAVE NOT DRAFTED THE LANGUAGE YET. 
          WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, A, A TREND. 
          AND WE NOTICED THE TREND IS NOT JUST ONE, ONE PRO PROPERTY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. 
          HRSD IS, THEY GOT QUITE A BIT OF WAYS TO GO. 
          THEY ACHIEVED WHAT THEY SAID WE'RE GONNA DO IN THEIR 2020 CONVERSIVE PLAN AND THEY'RE WORKING FAR BEYOND THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS POINT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BEFORE THE BZA FOR A VARIANCE. 
          AND TYPICALLY WHAT VARIANCE IS SAY IS THAT, UM, SINCE YOU HAVE A VARIANCE, IF IT WAS A ONE TIME THING, A VARIANCE WOULD WORK. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SEE A SITUATION ARISE OVER TIME AND IT IS KEPT REPEATEDLY, THAT MEANS YOU NEED TO MAKE AN ORDINANCE ONE ORDINANCE ADJUSTMENT. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THIS TIME IS TO, UM, HAVE AN AMENDMENT FOR THE ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          UM, 'CAUSE WE, I I, WE DO SEE MUCH, MANY MORE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES ARISING AND IT PUT IT BEFORE THE BZA EACH TIME. 
          I, I, I DON'T THINK IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR, FOR THE COUNTY OR, OR THE APPLICANT. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, REQUESTING EXCEPTIONS TO ALL LOT SUCH REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR UTILITY SERVICE MINOR, UM, TO MAKE A, TO MAKE AMENDMENT WARRANT FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT THERE. 
          IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, THE SIZE, SO DO THEY LIKE OR DO THEY OWN THE PROPERTY? DO THEY BUY THE PROPERTY? THEY DO BUY THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY WILL OWN AND SO WE'RE GONNA SAY NOW YOU CAN BUY A QUARTER OF A LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF, IF THEY SAY TO ME, TO US, THIS PROJECT IS HAVE REQUIRED A, A GRINDER PUMP OR PUMP STATION TO PUMP THIS PIPE TO THIS PIPE TO GO UPHILL TO GO TO DAMMAN, THEN THEY PROVIDE A DOCUMENT THAT SAID, OKAY, WE, YOU MEET THIS, YOU, YOU WOULD MEET THIS EXCEPTION. 
          SO THEREFORE YOU'RE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. 
          INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO BEFORE EACH THING GO TO THE BZA TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REDUCE YOUR LOT DOWN TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. 
          SO I GUESS, SO IF 
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I HAVE A LOT AND THEY WANT TO RUN THROUGH IT OR U USUALLY THEY DO AN EASEMENT, RIGHT? THEY THEY, THEY DON'T DO THEY NOT DO EASEMENT? THIS IS NOT, THAT IS LOT. 
          THEY DO BUY, THEY'RE A A LOT LOT. 
          THEY BUY THE LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF, IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY, THEY PROBABLY WOULD JUST GET AN EASEMENT. 
          BUT THEY, THEY WANT OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          DON, YOU WANT ME TO READ THIS? UH, ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, THEN YES MA'AM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FOR THE EXCEPTIONS TO LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT OF UTILITY SERVICE, MINOR AMENDMENT AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2286 A SEVEN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE REQUIRE THAT AMENDMENTS TO SURREY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO THE EXEMPTIONS FOR A LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS OF UTILITY SERVICE MINOR BE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION WHEN SUCH AMENDMENTS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SECOND, A MOTION TO BRING FORTH EXEMPTIONS TO LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR UTILITY UTILITY SERVICE MINOR AMENDMENT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORTH AND SECONDED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          THE MOTION IS CARRIED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ORDER. 
          BUSINESS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT, YOU CAN COME FORTH. 
          YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, IF YOU WOULD COME BACK NEXT, UH, WE HAVE COMMITTEE UPDATES. 
          WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE COMMITTEE UPDATES AT THIS POINT. 
          WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED AGAIN IN JANUARY. 
          YOU GUYS WILL BE BUSY THIS YEAR. 
          SO JUST, JUST, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WILL BE BUSY THIS YEAR. 
          UM, UH, I THINK YOU HAVE, YOU ALREADY DO AT THIS POINT. 
          YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO ORDINANCES THAT YOU'LL, THAT YOU'LL HAVE COMING BEFORE THE POINT OF COMMISSION. 
          SO, UM, AND UH, THIS TODAY WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH ANOTHER APPLICANT FOR EVENT CENTER. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO, TO, TO LOOK OUT FOR AS WELL. 
          UM, COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE AGAIN? I DIDN'T, WE, WE, WE DO HAVE SOMETHING. 
          OUR EVENT CENTER. 
          OH, THE EVENT CENTER. 
          THE EVENT CENTER WILL BE COMING, COMING BEFORE YOU. 
          UM, NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT SPECIFIC MONTH IT'LL BE COMING BEFORE YOU, BUT IT WILL BE COMING SOON. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'LL BE COMING SOON. 
          UM, SO AT THIS POINT THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE UPDATES. 
          UH, IF ANYBODY ELSE THE COMMITTEE HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS, UH, THE CAVALIER OPERATIONAL YET CAVALIER IS, I BELIEVE IT IS GENERATING POWER AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, IT'S GENERATING HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY DECLARED AN OPERATIONAL DATE YET? I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER 31ST, BUT THEY WEREN'T OPERATIONAL ON OCTOBER 3RD. 
          IT OPERATIONAL, I THOUGHT IT WAS OPERATIONAL, BUT IT MAY, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATIONAL BY OCTOBER 31ST. 
          I, I, I, I'LL PUT THAT CAVEAT. 
          IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATIONAL OCTOBER COMMERCIAL OPERATION DATE'S SUPPOSED TO BE OCTOBER 31ST. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS THE DATE I WAS GIVEN BEFORE. 
          UM, NOW IS THE SITE COMPLETE? THERE'S STILL SOME WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE DAILY, BUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND, AND TRAFFIC AND, AND IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN IT WAS BEFORE. 
          THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND THEN THEY'RE WAITING AROUND FOR THE, FOR THE WEATHER TO GET RIGHT BEFORE THEY START, UM, DOING SOME ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE LANDSCAPING. 
          SO THERE'S A, THEY'VE DONE MOST, THEY'VE DONE MOST OF LANDSCAPING, BUT THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE ASK THEM TO IMPROVE. 
          SO THAT KIND OF LEADS INTO MY SECOND QUESTION. 
          LAST MEETING, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT CONDITION OF ROADS AND YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GET WITH VDOT AND GO OUT THERE AND CHECK 'EM OUT. 
          WERE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT? SO, UH, WITH CONDITIONS OF ROADS, THEY, AROUND THAT SITE, THEY, THEY HAVE DONE THAT. 
          A LOT OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS ALREADY. 
          THEY WERE, THEIR INTENT AND PLAN WAS TO DO THE WORK BY THE END OF OCTOBER. 
          HOWEVER THE WEATHER PREVENTED THEM FROM DOING THAT. 
          AND I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST, ON THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION YOU DID, IS THAT YOU DID, BUT THEY, AND YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GO OUT AND LOOK AT AT IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY THEY, THEY, THEY DID LOOK AT IT ALREADY. 
          I I, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SAID THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WERE GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT BETWEEN, IN THE SPRINGTIME PROBABLY, I'M LOOKING AT PROBABLY MARK LATE MARCH OR PROBABLY APRIL IS WHEN THOSE, UM, THOSE SLURRY PANTS GET BACK UP. 
          AND I KNOW, I KNOW MR. NEWBIE, I I KNOW HE WEARS VDO. 
          HE AT, HE USED TO WORK FROM VDO, SO HE KNOWS WHEN THOSE PLANTS STARTED GETTING BACK UP, THEY, THEY CLOSED DOWN RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE OF THE, OF THE WEATHER. 
          UH, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PUT DOWN ANYTHING AND CERTAIN TEMPERATURE'S 
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GONNA CRACK A BUNCH OF DEFECTS AND YOU, THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE IN NOW. 
          BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAVALIER, THEY, THEY WISHED THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING DONE AT THAT TIME PERIOD. 
          BUT THE, THE WEATHER BETWEEN RAIN AND IT BEING TOO COLD, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY RAN OUTTA TIME. 
          THEY HAD, THEY HAD CONTRACTORS IN PLACE TO DO IT. 
          AND IT'S JUST THE, THE WEATHER PART OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU UH, YOU WENT OVER THAT. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION MORE IS, UH, THEY PAVED, I BELIEVE BEACHLAND AND, UM, WHITE MARSH AND BELLEVUE THOUGH, UH, MS. GREG, UM, I FORGET HIS LAST NAME FROM A ES, SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO WHITE MARSH AND BELLEVUE. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS THAT IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO THOSE ROADS AND IF NOT, DO WE THINK THAT THEY'RE IN CONDITIONS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF I MAY I HAVE, I HAVE SOME INFORMATION. 
          IT MIGHT ANSWER SOME OKAY. 
          OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AND THIS WAS, UM, INFORMATION, UH, THAT I RECEIVED FROM, UM, MR. CRESSWELL, MR. FOSTER, MR. CRESWELL MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THIS WAS LIKE, UH, FRIDAY, JANUARY 3RD TIMEFRAME. 
          SO RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY. 
          SO BEACHLAND ROAD, THE SCOPE OF WORK TO BE COMPLETED INCLUDES MILLING OF EXISTING ASPHALT PATCHING AREAS OF NEED, APPLICATION OF TACK COATING AND INSTALLATION OF 2.5 CENTIMETERS OF SM 9.5 HOT MIX ASPHALT ROLL TO FINISH. 
          PLEASE DON'T ASK ME FOR MORE DETAILS ON THAT  BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          UM, THE SCOPE WILL INCLUDE FLAGGING OPERATIONS. 
          IT WILL NOT REQUIRE ROAD CLOSURE, BUT WILL REQUIRE LANE CLOSURE. 
          THE AREA TO BE PAVED, UM, WILL INCLUDE THE INTERSECTION OF JONES DRIVE AND BURWELL'S BAY ROAD IN ISLE OF WHITE NORTH TO THE INTERSECTION OF BEACHLAND ROAD AND WHITE MARSH ROAD IN SURREY. 
          THIS WORK WAS DELAYED IN GETTING SCHEDULED AND ASPHALT PLANTS ARE CLOSED BECAUSE OF LOWER TEMPERATURES TO MEET WITH VDOT. 
          PREFERRED SPECS FOR TEMPERATURES AND WEATHER CONDITIONS DELAY ASPHALT. 
          WE PLAN TO COMPLETE THE REPAVING WHEN PLANTS REOPEN. 
          OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS TYPICALLY END OF MARCH OR EARLY APRIL. 
          WE WILL MAINTAIN UPDATES WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON OUR WEEKLY CALLS WITH RESPECT TO BELLEVUE REPAIRS TO SHOULDER AND SPOT REPAIRS TO DRAINAGE WERE COMPLETED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. 
          THIS WAS COMMUNICATED THROUGH WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS A PRESENTATION TO THE HIGHWAY SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THIRD WHITE MARSH ROAD. 
          A REVIEW OF WHITE MARSH ROAD IS CURRENTLY BEING DISCUSSED WITH VDOT CORRESPONDENCE HAS BEEN UNDERWAY BETWEEN PAUL ANDERSON AND ROSSI CARROLL WITH VDOT AND OUR SITE TEAM. 
          SO I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO IF BELLEVUE IS, THEY'VE FINISHED THERE AND, AND SO HAS THE COUNTY GONE AND REVIEWED IT AND SAID, YES, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH OR? THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          SO I I WILL SAY WHAT ONE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT A, SOME OF THE THINGS A S ARE STILL ONGOING UNTIL EVERYTHING IS COMPLETE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE SITE IS COMPLETE, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, BUT I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, GREG CROSWELL, HE'S GONNA BE MEETING WITH A COUPLE MEMBERS FOR THE, HIM AND A COUPLE OTHER MEMBERS FROM A S WILL BE MEETING OUT WITH, UM, TWO OF OUR, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET WITH TWO OF OUR, UM, MEMBERS OF OUR HIGHWAY SAFETY COMMISSION. 
          GOOD. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE TAKEN PARTICULAR INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THE ROADS THAT ARE OUT THERE, I THINK, I THINK YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TWO MEMBERS, I GUESS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE HIGHWAY SAFETY COMMISSION AS WELL AS A CURRENT MEMBER WHO COULD ATTEST THAT THEY, THE HIGHWAY SAFETY COMMISSION HAS BEEN ON TOP OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, AS FAR AS ROAD CONDITIONS, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN ON TOP OF THAT. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY ALMOST PUT THE BURDEN OFF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT. 
          'CAUSE THEY, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE BEEN ON TOP OF. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT BESIDES ROAD CONDITIONS, WHAT ABOUT CULVER PIPES UNDER THE ROADS? I MEAN, THEY'RE STILL STOP SLAM. 
          YES. 
          SO, SO EVERY TIME WE 'CAUSE OF A-E-S-E-E EVERY TIME THAT, UM, WE'VE BROUGHT THAT TO ATTENTION, I FEEL LIKE THEY, THEY'VE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. 
          UM, AT LEAST WE, WE'VE GIVEN THAT 'CAUSE WE HAVE A WEEKLY CALL WITH, WITH A ES, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE SITUATIONS THAT CAME UP, I THINK IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, UM, THAT WE DID BRING SOME, BRING THAT TO THEIR ATTENTION. 
          THEY TRIED TO ADDRESS IT. 
          I THINK THEY DID IT. 
          THEY HAD ADDRESSED IT ONE TIME BEFORE NOW EXACTLY HOW THEY, HOW THEY ADDRESSED EVERYTHING IN PARTICULAR IN THE DETAIL TO EVERYONE'S LIKING. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT, BUT I THINK THEY TRIED TO ADDRESS IT HOLISTICALLY AS SOME, SOME IN SOME TYPE OF APPROACH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, BUT THEY, THEY'VE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THEY MADE CONTACT WITH THOSE THAT ARE, THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED. 
          SO IF IF THEY HAVE NOT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          'CAUSE I WELL, IF, IF THEY SAID THEY 
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FIXED IT, THEY THEY DID NOT. 
          THEY OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE, WE HAVE A CALL WITH THEM ON EVERY TUESDAY. 
          SO, UH, AND PARTICULARLY IT'S AT THE CORNER OF WHITE MARSH AND BEACH. 
          THE BEACH LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT, THAT INTERSECTION, I'VE SEEN THAT, THAT INTERSECTION MYSELF. 
          I THINK IT PONDS UP ON THE, WHAT IS IT? THE EAST, THE EAST SIDE. 
          WELL, YOU HAVE TO GET DOWN IN THE DITCH AND PUT YOUR HEAD IN THE DITCH TO SEE MM-HMM. 
          YOU KNOW, STILL STOPPED UP. 
          I DOUBT THEY'VE DONE THAT. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO IT AGAIN. 
          I MEAN, WE, IT, IT, IT IT IS A CONSTANT, UM, COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM, SIR. 
          UM, BE BETWEEN, I THINK THREE OF US AND OUR PLANNING OFFICE. 
          AT LEAST ONE OF US IS ON THE CALL EVERY WEEK. 
          AND ALSO, MR. WADE, UH, VIDAR SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. 
          I WOULD THINK. 
          THEY ARE. 
          I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT A DEFICIT WITH FOLKS THAT ARE, 'CAUSE BEFORE, UH, I THINK THAT THERE WAS A, UM, ENGINEER, BUT HE RETIRED. 
          AND THEN THE PERSON THEY HAVE NOW, I THINK HE'S OUT OF THE OFFICE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BEEN IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY. 
          BEEN LIKE, HE WOULD BE OUTTA THE OFFICE FOR SIX WEEKS. 
          SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU, YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF, I THINK ROSSY, ROSSY CARROLL HAS BASICALLY SAID, LISTEN, WHILE WE'RE AT A DEFICIT, I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT, SIR. 
          I WOULD CONTACT PERSON ROSSIE CARROLL FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          EVEN THOUGH HE'S, HE'S THERE WITH THE WHOLE RESIDENCY. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING TO, INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH ENGINEER, WE'RE WORKING WITH ROSS C SIR. 
          BUT HE, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S VERY RESPONSIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, ANY PC SECRETARY COMMUNICATIONS OTHER THAN WHAT YOU SHARED WITH US? UM, I THINK A QUESTION ABOUT, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, I GUESS MAKING SURE WE HAVE OVERALL TRAINING FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT, THIS IS, I THINK LAST, THIS PAST SUMMER, I WORKED WITH A PERSON WHO, WHO'S BASICALLY THE LAND USE GURU FOR VIRGINIA. 
          UM, HE HAPPENS TO BE THE DIRECTOR AT THE, UM, BCU LAND USE EDUCATION PROGRAM. 
          UM, HE'S A PLANNER. 
          HE'S A PLANNER FOR, UH, UM, A FIRM CALLED EBR AND TALKED TO HIM BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING OUT TO MAYBE DO SOME TYPE OF PRESENTATION. 
          UM, HE'S LIKE, IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO TO THE CERTIFIED PLANNING, PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S TRAINING, HE'S THE PERSON YOU WOULD SEE IN THAT TRAINING. 
          UM, SO I, I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM SOON TO SEE IF EXACTLY, IF HE COULD BE A PART OF COMING TO ONE OF OUR, MAYBE AS PART OF A WORK SESSION FOR ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, MAYBE DO A WORK SESSION TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME THINGS THAT PLENTY COMMISSIONERS SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE, OF ROLE OF A P COMMISSIONER. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO GO OVER, EVEN IF YOU HAD THE TRAINING TO GO OVER IT. 
          AGAIN, IT'S LIKE ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A REFRESHER. 
          I NEED TO BE REFRESHED SOMETIMES TOO. 
          SO JUST OF WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY'S ROLE IS. 
          UM, AND I THINK TOO, UM, ROBERT'S ROLE OF ORDER, UM, JUST SOME TRAINING, MAYBE SOME TRAINING OF HOW ROBERT'S ROLE OF ORDER OPERATES. 
          UM, I THINK BETWEEN MYSELF AND MS. PERKINS, WE CAN, ONE, ONE OF US AND OR A CONSULTANT CAN KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE IN THE SAME MEETING, BUT, UM, WE, WE COULD SEE WHAT WE HAVE. 
          I THINK IT'S BASED ON AVAILABILITY AND WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE SCHEDULE. 
          'CAUSE YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TRAINING WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG PUBLIC HEARING COMING UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE, THE AGENDAS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S COMING UP, SOME OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, SOMETIMES WE, YOU NEVER KNOW HOW LONG THEY, THEY TAKE. 
          UM, SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A LONG DRAWN OUT EVENING, UM, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN USED TO IT, BUT I, I KNOW YOU'D, YOU'D RATHER, YOU'D RATHER NOT HAVE A LONG EVENING IF YOU CAN, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN AVOID IT. 
          SO, UM, THOSE TWO THINGS. 
          ROBERT'S RULE ORDERS AND TRAINING ON, UH, RULES, ROLES OF PLANNING, COMMISSIONER, UH, WE'RE GONNA LOOK, LOOK TO SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. 
          PLUS FOLKS AT THE, AT THE REGIONAL PDC. 
          UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER GETTING TRAINING THERE. 
          SO MAYBE BE WILLING TO HAVE SOME REGIONAL TRAINING AT THE CRATER PD DC AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THOSE TWO MAY MAKE ONE, ONE MAY COME BEFORE THE OTHER. 
          SO, UM, BEING, BEING ON LOOKOUT FOR BOTH, UM, OBVIOUSLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS, IS SURREY GET, GET, GETTING THE, GETTING AHEAD OF IT. 
          SO, BUT IF SO, SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE THE PDC HAPPENS FIRST, I, I WILL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND, UH, THREE OF OUR ELECTED BOARD MEMBERS, UH, IN ATTENDANCE WITH US TONIGHT. 
          YES. 
          THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT SEPARATELY FROM EACH OTHER. 
           SITTING SEPARATELY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER, OTHER YES. 
          NOT COMMUNICATING FOR, FOR THE MINUTES. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          AND I DO REITERATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING OUT AND SUPPORTING THE MEETING TONIGHT. 
          AND ALSO BEFORE WE ADJOURN, IF WE CAN JUST ALSO REMEMBER OUR FORMER, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. TERRY LEWIS WHO PASSED AND HIS FAMILY JUST KEEP HIM, WELL, HIS FAMILY IN PRAYER AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A, 
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A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. 
          SO MOVED MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, WE ADJOURNED TO OUR FEBRUARY 24TH MEETING. 
          EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          THANK YOU.
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