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BY BARRETT[*This meeting was joined in progress*]
[ Planning Commission on June 23, 2025.]
ISLAND BATTERY STORAGE, LLC, SEEKING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, A UTILITY SERVICE MAJOR FOR AN ASSOCIATED SWITCHYARD AND SUBSTATION AS PERMITTED BY ARTICLE THREE.SECTION 3 3 0 2 PERMITTED USES SUBSTATION C OF THE SY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PARCEL NUMBER 54 DASH ONE IS A FI 416 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED, UH, ZONE IN AR LOCATED IN THE BAKERS CASTLE DISTRICT ON WHITE MARSH ROAD SOUTH OF COLONIAL TRAIL EAST.
THE PROPOSED CONDITION USE PERMIT WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO BUILD A 89 MEGAWATT BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM IN UTILITY SWITCH YARD ON THREE 2.5 ACRES IN THE INTERIOR OF THIS SITE.
THE CONFERENCES PLAN INDICATES A PRO PARTIAL PROGENY IS SUITABLE FOR RURAL PRESERVATION.
AGAIN, THIS, THIS PROJECT 89 MEGAWATT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM SWITCH YARD AND SUBSTATION.
THE FACILITY ITSELF WILL SPAN APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES.
THIS IS A VIEW OF WHERE THEIR, THEIR PARCEL AND THE, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED, LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY IN THE BACONS CASTLE DISTRICT HERE.
THE ADJACENT PARCELS, UM, LISTED HERE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PROPERTY AS AR? IT IS APPROXIMATELY 0.51.
THE, UH, THE, THE PROJECT AREA OF THE, OF THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY, UH, HALF A MILE AWAY FROM THE M1 Z PROPERTY SEEN ALSO HERE.
UM, THAT THE AREA, THE AREA YOU SEE THERE IS BEAR ISLAND BATTERY STORAGE.
THAT'S THAT, UM, PROJECT AREA THAT YOU SEE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, SOME CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THE PROJECT, THEIR H-R-H-R-S-D LINE.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE TRANSMISSION LINES ALSO GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND ARE ADJACENT TO THE, THE, THE, THE PROJECT AREA, UH, THE PROJECT AREA AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES THAT THE, UM, THAT THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND THE PROJECTS BE, UM, NO MORE THAN A MILE FROM THE SANCTUARY OF THE PROJECT.
THIS IS LESS THAN 900 FEET FROM THE SANCTUARY OF THE PROJECT.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT THERE.
THIS AREA IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION AREA, UH, THERE IS RPA ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE APPLICANT WILL BE DEVELOPING AROUND THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREA.
UM, THEY HAVE DELINEATE THE WETLANDS THERE, AND IF THEY DO ANYTHING IN THE WETLANDS, THEY WILL HAVE TO MITIGATE, MITIGATE THOSE PER SITE PLAN.
SO THERE'S NOTHING REQUIRED TO BE IN THE CUP, BUT THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT WITHIN THEIR, IN THEIR SITE PLAN.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS THAT OUR ZERO WARRANT REQUIRES US TO MAKE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, OR ZERO WARRANT REQUIRES US TO MAKE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AT CEP CONDITIONS.
UM, TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THE PROJECT HERE WOULD GENERATE BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND 150 VEHICLES DELIVERIES PER CONSTRUCTION, GENERATING ABOUT TWO TO THREE HEAVY VEHICLES PER DAY FOR A ONE TO TWO MONTH PERIOD.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUIRED ACCORDING TO A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION, THIS SITE WILL BE OPERATED REMOTELY AND IS NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE SITE TRAFFIC NOISE.
THE SITE IS OVER 2000 FEET FROM THE NEAREST HOME.
THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A NOISE STUDY TO ENSURE THE NOISE STANDARDS AND THE ORDINANCE ARE MET.
IF THE DOORS DOES NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE STANDARDS, THE PLAN DIRECTOR MAY PERMIT STRUCTURAL ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE MET PRIOR TO FINAL STATEMENT APPROVAL.
AND THAT'S PART OF OUR, PART OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL, UH, MADE RECOMMENDATION IN THE BOARD PASSED.
LIGHTING ON THE SITE WILL BE LIMITED TO THUS, THAT WHICH IS MINIMALLY REQUIRED.
ALL LIGHTING WILL BE MOTION SENSORED AND DUST.
THE TRA THE TRANSPORTATION TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN WILL BE SUBMITTED ON OUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS AND WE'LL ADDRESS THE DUST CONTROL.
THE VIRGINIA EROSION CENTER CONTROL HANDBOOK WILL ADDRESS DRAINAGE.
THE APPLICANT COMPLETED A WETLAND DELINEATION ON THE PROPERTY AND FOUND WETLANDS AND STREAMS ON THE PARCEL.
UM, THERE IS NO ANTICIPATION THAT THE WATER BODIES WILL BE DISTURBED OR IMPACTED, UM, TH THROUGHOUT SITE.
PLAN REVIEW AS INDICATED EARLIER, UM, THAT WE WILL CONSIDER A LOT OF THESE ASPECTS DURING, DURING THE, UH, THE SITE POINT PROCESS WITH, UH, PLANT DEPARTMENT AND DEQ STAFF FOR
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AIR QUALITY.IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, THE, UH, THE PROJECT WOULD WOULD IMMU FUMES, UH, THE NEIGHBOR NATURE OF THESE FUMES WOULD DEPEND ON THE CHEMISTRY OF THE BATTERIES USED.
UM, VIBRATIONS, THERE'S NOT LIKELY TO BE ANY VI SIGNIFICANT VIBRATIONS.
THE TIMING OF THE OPERATION IS THAT, UH, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT, UH, THEY PROVIDED A TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE BEGINNING OF OPERATIONS.
UM, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE, UH, TO BE STARTED BY IN QUARTER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 26, ENDING IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2027.
UH, THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN IS PROVIDING YOUR PACKET FOR THE SITE DESIGN AND THAT THE DESIRE WILL REMAIN SUBSTANTIAL PERFORMANCE.
AND WE REVIEWED AGAIN IN AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED BY WHITE MARSH ROAD.
UM, AND PER THE APPLICANT'S DRAFT CONDITIONS, THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE A ROAD THAT IS 25 20 FEET WIDE PENDING, UH, SUR COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES APPROVAL SPRINGING OF THE SITE, THE SITE WILL RETAIN EXISTING VEGETATION TO FORM A A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE 32 ACRE PROJECT SITE WHERE VEGETATION IS NOT RETAINED.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A LANDSCAPING PLAN AS FAR AS HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
THERE ARE NO REGISTERED HISTORICAL PROPERTIES WITHIN OR, OR NEAR THE BOUNDARIES OF STATE LEVEL PERMITTING PROCESS THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO UNDERGO A HIGHER LEVEL SURVEY THAN THOSE RESOURCES THAN PREVIOUSLY.
AND FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WAS CONDUCTED AND FOUND NO NEW, NO FEW SPECIES AFFECTED BY THE PROJECT FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THE APPLICANT HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THIS APPLICATION ON APRIL THE 30TH AT THE SURVEY PARKS AND RECREATION CENTER.
THE CONCERNS AT THROUGHOUT THAT MEETING WERE THE TRAFFIC DURING CONSTRUCTION NOISE GENERATED AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROCEDURE.
UH, AT THE REVIEW, WE, WE FOUND THE, UH, CO THE PROJECT TO BE IN COURTS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE RELATIVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, AR DISTRICT BATTERY ENGINE STORAGE SYSTEMS FOR STRENGTHS.
AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE A FEW OF OUR COMMENTS FOR, FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STRENGTHS.
THE STRENGTHS MITIGATES THIS, THE PROJECT MITIGATES ITS IMPACTS AND BENEFITS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN SURREY, IT LIMITS THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND ROAD MAINTENANCE.
CONSTRUCTION PERIOD IS FASTER THAN SOLAR DEVELOPMENTS AFTER CONSTRUCTION, THE SITE WILL BE OPERATED REMOTELY AND STAFF WILL NOT BE PRESENT ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SITE IS RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED WITH OTHER ENGINE USES.
WEAKNESSES IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THE DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGY THAT REQUIRES AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE CHEMISTRY THAT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT, WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE AND, AND, AND, UM, HOWEVER, THERE IS A METHOD, UM, PROCEDURES THAT WILL FOLLOW AS FAR AS, UH, UH, PROCESSES WITH OUR ORDINANCE AS WELL AS CONDITIONS THAT WILL HELP MITIGATE THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND, AND, AND SIR, THE CHAIRMAN AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE WITH, UH, TO DO THEIR PRESENTATION, IF YOU LIKE.
I, I WOULD ASK BEFORE THE GENTLEMAN COMES TO DO THE FULL PRESENTATION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? BECAUSE I, I DO KNOW YOU PRESENTED TO US, UH, BEFORE, AND SO I, I DON'T SUSPECT THAT MUCH HAS CHANGED FROM THE PRIOR PRESENTATION.
UM, SO IN, IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME, AND I KNOW IT'S WARM IN HERE, UM, ARE, ARE THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ASKED INSTEAD OF HIM GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION? AGAIN, IS THE 20 FOOT ACCESS OFF THE HIGHWAY, IS THAT, DUNNO THAT GAS, IS THAT 20 FOOT NOT WIDE? IT'S OVER A MILE RIGHT OFF THE ROAD? GREAT QUESTION.
AND, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I REMEMBER US HAVING A DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL DECISION WAS ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE, THE ACCESS ROAD FOR THAT GAS PLANT.
LET ME, LET ME LOOK AT, LEMME LOOK.
SOME, SOME OF MY NOTES FROM PREVIOUS PROJECT.
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SIR.UM, UH, MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, UM, JUST TO GET A CLARIFICATION JUST ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW, HOW, IF APPROVED, HOW THINGS ARE COMING IN, UM, UH, DUE TO THE, YOU KNOW, BAD BLOOD WE HAD FROM SOME OF THE SOLAR FARMS AND TRYING TO GET THE ROADS BACK IN ORDER.
UM, THAT'S JUST ONE QUESTION I HAD.
SO THANKS FOR THE, THE QUESTION AND, UH, THANKS FOR SAVING ME FROM GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH YOU.
SAVING YOURSELVES FROM AS WELL,
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A MAP FROM OUR DRAFT TRAFFIC PLAN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD EITHER COME IN DOWN THROUGH, THROUGH WAKEFIELD OR, UH, OFF OF, OF 10 DEPENDING ON, ON THE ORIGIN OF, OF WHERE THE BATTERY PACKS COME FROM.
BUT THE, SO E EITHER SOUTH OR, OR OR NORTH TO THE ACCESS POINT, UH, OF WHERE IT WOULD BE OFF OF, OF WHITE MARSH ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST ASPECT OF THIS THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED FOR A SOLAR PROJECT IS THERE'S JUST SUBSTANTIALLY LESS TRAFFIC.
SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE ROUGHLY 90 CONTAINERS ON SITE, 75 TO 90, DEPENDING ON HOW LARGE THEY ARE AND, AND WHAT THE FINAL CHEMISTRY IS.
THEY COME FULLY MODULAR AND, AND INSTALLED ON A TRUCK.
SO, UM, TWO TO THREE OF THOSE PER DAY WOULD BE DELIVERED FOR ABOUT A A A ONE MONTH PERIOD AFTER WHICH POINT THERE'S, THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC.
SO IT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, 25 TRUCKS PACKED WITH PANELS EVERY DAY FOR, FOR A YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S A VERY LIMITED WINDOW WHERE IT'S TWO OR THREE TRUCKS PER DAY.
AND WHEN YOU SEE THE, UH, THE, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE, THE LOWEST VOLUME AREA OF TRAFFIC IS THE, THE, WHEN YOU TURN SOUTH, UH, FROM 10 ONTO WHITE MARSH ROAD, THAT'S THE, THERE'S ONLY 260 VEHICLE VEHICLES PER DAY ON THAT PORTION OF ROAD BETWEEN WHERE YOU TURN AND, AND WHERE YOU WOULD ENTER THE SITE.
UM, SO RELATIVELY LOW VOLUME, BUT TWO TO THREE VEHICLES PER DAY FOR HEAVY VEHICLES IS ONLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE TRAFFIC PER DAY THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT OUT THERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WOULD GO INTO THIS AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT'S WITH THE LOWER TRAFFIC NUMBER ONE, IT'S JUST LESS LIKELY TO, TO IMPACT PEOPLE.
BUT NUMBER TWO, IT'S ALSO EASIER TO PLAN AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN RESTRICT DELIVERIES TO A, A WINDOW IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT MAKES IT, UH, LESS OF A, A NUISANCE.
UH, OVERALL THERE'S JUST SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TRAFFIC.
IT'S EASIER TO MANAGE AND, UM, IT ENDS AFTER A MUCH SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
I GUESS THAT MAY LEAD INTO THE NEXT QUESTION.
UM, WILL IT BE LIKE, UH, BOX TRUCKS? MM-HMM
OR TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING DOWN TWO TO THREE TIMES PER DAY? TWO TRACTOR TRAILERS, TRACTOR TRAILERS? YEP.
WHO DETERMINES THAT TRAFFIC PLAN? I MEAN, WE'RE ON THE SAME WAVE, I THINK.
YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS, THEY'RE PICKING UP BUS BUSES, IT'S A REAL NARROW ROAD, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THEY COULD RESTRICT IT TO LIKE BETWEEN NINE AND TWO O'CLOCK OR SOMETHING, THEN YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THE SHIPYARD WORKERS, THE PEOPLE HEADING OUT OF THE COUNTY GOING TO WORK, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES I FEEL LIKE THE TRUCK DRIVERS, THEY'RE USED TO 95 AND FOUR LANES AND THEY GET ON THESE BACK ROADS AND THEY JUST FREAK OUT AND THEY WON'T GIVE YOU ROOM.
AND YOU END UP GOING IN THE DITCH, YOU KNOW? SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY KINDA RESTRICTED IT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE MORNING AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REQUEST THAT TYPICALLY ON SHIPPING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH YOUR SHIPPERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY HELPFUL YES.
IF, IF, IF, AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO RESTRICT DELIVERY HOURS TO BETWEEN NINE AND TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR HEAVY VEHICLES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ACCOMMODATE.
AND ALSO WILL THEY, UM, WILL THEY BE GUIDED, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MOVING MODULAR AND THINGS AROUND YEP.
THEY DON'T HAVE A FLAG TRUCK AHEAD.
UM, WIDE, WIDE, WIDE EQUIPMENT BEHIND THIS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT WILL BE ACTUALLY GREAT AS WELL TOO.
UM, IF WE'RE, IF IT WERE APPROVED AND SO AS, AS IT STANDS NOW, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE GUIDED.
THEY WOULD NOT, UH, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT COMMON PRACTICE.
I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR DELIVERY OF THESE, DELIVERY OF THESE, WHAT WOULD BE MORE COMMON IS TO RESTRICT THE WINDOW WHEN IT CAN BE DELIVERED AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE FLAGGERS ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD WHERE IT'S, IT'S TIGHT AND, AND TRAFFIC IS, IS, UH, IS, IS AT RISK FOR WHAT YOU MENTIONED BEING, BEING RUN OFF THE ROAD.
I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST THINKING, I APOLOGIZE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AGAIN.
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THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND, AND SOME OF THE THINGS, THE FIRST THING, FIRST BULLET POINT TRAFFIC.THOSE JUST, ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST, IT JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD JUST TO, JUST A THOUGHT, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT COMPLETELY.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT CONCERN, SIR.
I I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT CONCERN FOR, FOR SOLAR PROJECTS.
IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY THE RIGHT CONCERN HERE.
I I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.
UH, AND, AND WILL LAST A SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT, UH, I MEAN, ON THE WAY OVER HERE I WAS TAKING SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE AND ON, ON THE WAY BACK I PULLED OFF TO THE SHOULDER FOR A LOGGING TRUCK.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I I I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, THESE ROADS ARE RELATIVELY, UH, S SMALL AND, AND REQUIRE SOME, SOME EXTRA PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT.
UM, I, I THINK THAT WE CAN MANAGE THAT AND, AND PLAN TO MANAGE THAT AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UH, AGAIN, WE CAN RESTRICT TIME PERIODS WHEN THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE, UH, UP FOR, UP FOR DELIVERY.
BUT I ALSO JUST WANNA MENTION THIS AND, AND ANY OTHER NUMBER OF, OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IS, IS UNKNOWN AS, AS HORACE MENTIONED, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SELECTED TECHNOLOGY YET.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WIDE RANGE OF, UH, OF, OF THINGS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO.
THERE'S STILL A VERY TIGHT WINDOW OF, OF WHAT WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH PER THE ORDINANCE AND, AND PER THE CONDITIONS.
SO THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T THE END OF, OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF, OF, YOU KNOW, VERY THOROUGH DOCUMENTS AND PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED THROUGH WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE START CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT WOULD ALL TAKE PLACE OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS IF, IF THE PERMIT'S APPROVED.
ON IN Y'ALL'S, UH, PRESENTATION HERE ON PAGE THREE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECT NARRATIVE AND IT SAYS YOU TO OPERATE THE REQUEST THAT A CONDITIONAL USE TO OPERATE 89 MEGAWATT UTILITY SCALE, UM, SOLAR FACILITY.
AND THEN ON PAGE FIVE, UM, TABLE ONE BATTERY STORAGE HAS GOT 89 AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS MEGAWATTS TIMES FOUR.
SO THAT VERY GOOD CATCH, UH, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SAY FOUR HOURS.
SO 89 MEGAWATTS IS THE, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT CAN BE INJECTED INTO THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM.
BUT THE WAY THE BATTERY WORKS IS IT WOULD DO THAT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO 89 MEGAWATTS IS THE, THE NAMEPLATE CAPACITY.
FOUR HOURS IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT COULD DELIVER THAT 89 MEGAWATTS.
UH, AND THAT'S MOST, MOST COMMON.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE MOST OFTEN FOR BATTERIES THROUGHOUT THE, THE COUNTRY IS, IS FOUR HOUR BATTERIES.
SO 89 MEGAWATTS BY BY FOUR HOURS.
SO THAT IS A, THAT'S, THAT'S AN OMISSION ON OUR PART.
MR. BROCK, I JUST WANT TO ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
YOU SAID ON THE FIRST PAGE IT SAID TO OPERATE A 89 MEGAWATT BATTERY STORE OR TO SOLAR PACIFIC, PAGE THREE OF THEIR PRESENTATION, UHHUH AND, UH, DOWN AT PROJECT PROJECT NARRATIVES MM-HMM
IT TALKS ABOUT BATTERY, UH, BEAR ISLAND BATTERY STORAGE, LLC SIX CONDITIONAL PERMIT COUNTY BUILD AND OPERATE 89 MEGAWATT UTILITY SCALE ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY.
I THOUGHT I HEARD SOLAR AT FIRST.
I MAY HAVE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS MR HARD, I WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE PUBLIC, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THERE'S NO SOLAR ATTACHED TO THIS.
AND, AND TO, TO MR. BERRYMAN'S QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. WADE IS GONNA SPEAK TO IT, BUT I KNOW MR. PHE IS IN, I DON'T WANNA PUT HIM ON THE SPOT THAT MR. WADE MAY SPEAK TO THIS NOW.
SO I LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE RG FACILITY.
IT A 20 FOOT EXCESS WAS APPROVED FOR THAT ONE.
I'VE JUST TALKED TO MR. CONFIRM WITH MR. PHELPS.
HE COULD SPEAK ON THIS, BUT, UM, HE SAID THAT WAS, THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT ONE, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO TURN AROUND, UH, LIKE A, A RADIUS TO TURN AROUND.
BUT THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS FORWARD TO HIM FOR, FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW.
YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, I KNOW WE SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT, UM, IF THESE CONTAINERS, IF THEY CATCH ON FIRE, WE SAID LET 'EM BURN.
AND MY QUESTION IS, IF WE LET 'EM BURN, ARE THERE A TOXIC FME THAT ARE RELEASED INTO THE ASPEN FIELD? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE, THE CORRECT RESPONSE IN MOST CASES WITH MOST CHEMISTRIES IS, IS TO LET THEM BURN.
IT'S NOT TO PUT WATER ON THEM AND, AND TRY AND PUT THEM OUT.
UH, THEY'RE DESIGNED SO THAT ONE CONTAINER SHOULD NEVER START ON FIRE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT IF IT DOES, IT'S PREVENTED FROM, FROM EXPANDING TO OTHER CONTAINERS WITHIN THE SITE.
UM, YES, THERE WOULD BE TOXIC CHEMICALS THAT ARE, ARE
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RELEASED.THE LONGER ANSWER, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY LAST MONTH, WOULD BE THERE, THERE IS BOTH IN THE, THE HAZARD UH, MITIGATION ANALYSIS THAT WE'D BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF OF MATERIALS WOULD BE IN THE BATTERY AND WHAT THE EXPECTED PARAMETER OF, OF ANY KIND OF BURN EVENT WOULD, UH, WHERE, WHERE THOSE TOXIC CHEMICALS WOULD, WOULD ADD TO NEGATIVE AIR QUALITY IN THE, UH, IN THE VICINITY.
AND IT WOULD DEFINE KIND OF A RADIUS OF WHERE THAT, UH, WHERE THOSE TOXIC MATERIALS WOULD REACH A, A PART PER MILLION THAT IS, IS HAZARDOUS TO HEALTH.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, AN EXPERT ON THIS HERE FROM, UH, THE FIRE AND RISK ALLIANCE WHO IS, WHO DOES A LOT OF MODELING FOR THIS KIND OF WORK.
AND I, I WOULD, UH, BE HAPPY TO LET HER TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT, THAT PLUME MODELING LOOKS LIKE AND, UM, HOW IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BROUGHT INTO SITE DESIGN FOR THE, UH, THE BATTERY.
IF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UM, IS THIS, THIS IS, UH, I'D SAY ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME OUT OF LAST MONTH WAS THAT WE WERE, WE WERE PLANNING TO ADD THIS, THIS PLUME MODELING TO THE, THE HAZARD RE UH, HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN.
UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT A GOOD EXPLANATION FOR, FOR WHY WE WOULD DO THAT AND WHAT IT'S MEASURING.
UM, I WORK WITH FIRE AND RISK ALLIANCE OUT OF ROCKVILLE, MARYLAND.
SO SPECIFIC TO BATTERIES, I PRETTY MUCH WORK ON PLUME DISPERSION MODELS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, TO, I GUESS ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION OF AGAIN, THE TOXIC COMPONENTS THAT COULD COME OUT OF THE BATTERIES.
YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IN A THERMAL EVENT THERE WOULD BE, UM, HOWEVER NONE OF THE CHEMICALS THAT MIGHT COME OUT, UH, WOULD BE VERY EXOTIC.
THEY WOULD ALL BE VERY COMPARABLE TO, UM, A HOUSE FIRE EXCEPT FOR THAT THE FUEL LOAD WOULD BE MUCH SMALLER.
SO A HOUSE FIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY MORE FUEL, UH, THAN A BATTERY FIRE WOULD BE.
UM, SO THERE'S NOTHING EXOTIC THAT YOU OR YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS WOULD NEED TO WORRY ABOUT AS FAR AS LEARNING SOMETHING NEW, PREPARING FOR SOMETHING NEW.
UM, THEY'RE COMPARABLE TO A TYPICAL HOUSE FIRE THAT YOU MIGHT SEE ANYTIME.
AS FAR AS THE PLUME MODELING GOES, WE CAN MODEL FOR PRE AND POST COMBUSTION.
SO THE NATURE OF THESE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES IS THAT, UM, IF THEY ARE TO FAIL, WHICH IS UNLIKELY, BUT IF THEY ARE TO FAIL, UH, THEY RELEASE GAS IN AN EVENT CALLED THERMAL RUNAWAY.
AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS THAT THESE GASES IGNITE AND CATCH ON FIRE.
SOMETIMES THEY JUST VENT UNTIL THE EVENT IS OVER AND THEY'VE RELEASED THEIR GAS.
SO WE MODEL FOR THE COMMO THE COMPONENTS THAT WOULD COME OUT IN THAT CASE AND THEN ALSO THE COMPONENTS THAT COULD OCCUR IF THOSE GASES WERE TO CATCH ON FIRE.
UM, THE WAY THAT WE DO THAT IS EVERY SINGLE BATTERY THAT'S BEING INSTALLED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES HAS TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED UL 95 40 A TESTING, WHICH IS A TEST STANDARD BY UL.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THIS TEST IS A MULTI-LEVEL TEST THAT INTENTIONALLY INCITES FIRE OR VENTING AT LEAST IN THESE BATTERIES.
THE GAS IS COLLECTED, UM, THE TIME IT TAKES IS MEASURED AND THEN WE TAKE THAT DATA AND PUT IT INTO MODELING SOFTWARE TO ANALYZE, UM, BASED ON YOUR SPECIFIC WEATHER CONDITIONS, HOW FAR A PLUME MIGHT GO.
AND ALL THE MODELING THAT I'VE DONE, UM, BASED ON THE SITES THAT I'VE SEEN, WHICH HAVE BEEN DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, UH, AS CODE REQUIRES ANY PLUMES, UM, WOULD NOT DISPERSE PAST THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
UM, AND SO WELL ANY PLUMES OF THE, UH, CONCENTRATION THAT WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO LIFE OR HEALTH OR THAT WOULD BE OF THE CONCENTRATION TO CATCH ON FIRE IN THE CASE OF PRE COMBUSTION, WOULD NOT EXTEND PAST THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
UM, AND THIS IS INTENTIONAL IN THE SITE DESIGN THEY'RE DESIGNED SUCH THAT IF THIS TYPE OF EVENT WERE TO HAPPEN, UH, IT WOULD NOT POSE A DANGER TO YOUR CIVILIANS, UM, OF SURREY.
SO THESE MODELS ARE SOMETHING WE WORK ON ALL THE TIME.
UH, THE SITES ARE DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY SO THAT WE CAN ESSENTIALLY VERIFY THAT ANY PLUME EVENTS WOULD NOT DISPERSE AND CAUSE THE DANGER TO YOUR FOLKS.
UM, OF COURSE THERE COULD BE TOXIC FLAMMABLE COMPONENTS WITHIN THE SITE BOUNDARIES, BUT THAT'S WHY WE WRITE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS, WHICH IS PART OF, UM, THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S ALSO PART OF THE RELEVANT CODES.
UM, AND ALSO WE PERFORM TRAINING FOR FIRE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS TO ENSURE THEY KNOW HOW TO, UH, RESPOND TO THESE EVENTS.
UM, THAT INVOLVES SIMILAR THINGS
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TO WHAT A HOUSE FIRE WOULD BE PUTTING ON THE APPROPRIATE, UH, PPE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.UM, AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING EXOTIC ABOUT THESE CHEMICALS, SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY EASILY TRAINED, UH, IN THE CASE THAT ONE OF THESE EVENTS HAPPENS.
ANY OTHER FIRE RELATED, ANY OTHER FIRE RELATED? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS YOUR REALM WHEN I DID A GREAT JOB AS A MATTER OF FACT AND YOU SEEM TO LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT UH, I DON'T, THIS MAY NOT BE YOUR WHEEL WHEELHOUSE, BUT SUPPRESSION SYSTEM INVOLVING WITH 'EM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK OR, YEAH, PLEASE.
UM, I WAS HOPING SOMEONE WOULD ASK 'CAUSE I DO LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO YOU MIGHT THINK THAT SUPPRESSION WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THESE BATTERIES.
UM, BUT REALLY ACROSS THE BOARD, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS ACROSS THE CODES, EVEN THE MOST STRINGENT CODES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, THE REASON FOR THAT BEING, UH, THESE THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENTS, UM, YOU CAN SUPPRESS, IF THEY WERE TO IGNITE, YOU CAN SUPPRESS THE FLAMES, BUT IN DOING SO, THE FLAMMABLE GASES COULD ACCUMULATE, UM, SUCH THAT AN EXPLOSION HAZARD WOULD BE PRESENT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ADOPTED THE LET IT BURN, UH, POLICY KIND OF ACROSS THE INDUSTRY, UM, BECAUSE A FLAMING EVENT IS LESS HA HAZARDOUS TO FIRST RESPONDERS THAN A POTENTIAL EXPLOSION.
UM, SO AGAIN, SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS ARE KIND OF BEING PHASED OUT IN BATTERIES THESE DAYS BECAUSE THEY CAN CREATE ACTUALLY MORE OF A HAZARD THAN JUST LETTING IT BURN.
UM, SIMILAR THOUGH TO SUPPRESSION, THE RECOMMENDED PROCEDURE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS IS TO COOL ADJACENT EXPOSURES WITH WATER.
SO WHILE YOU CAN'T EXACTLY SUPPRESS THE EVENT IN A BATTERY CABINET THAT'S GOING THROUGH THERMAL RUNAWAY, YOU CAN PREVENT IT IN ADJACENT EXPOSURES SUCH AS OTHER BATTERIES OR OTHER THINGS ON SITE BY APPLYING COOLING WATER.
UM, SO THAT THOSE EXPOSURES DO NOT HEAT UP AND THEN EXPERIENCE A SIMILAR EVENT.
UM, SO THAT'S AS MUCH AS I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS FIRE SUPPRESSION GOES, IS APPLYING THE COOLING WATER.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN AS A INSTRUCTION FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AS WELL AS VERY CLEARLY EXPLAINED IN ANY SORT OF TRAINING FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
AT THIS TIME THIS COMPONENT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL ASK ANY PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
HELLO, SURRY COUNTY, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M DAVID TUCKER, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENERGY.
I LIVE IN ALL OF WHITE COUNTY.
ALRIGHT, EIGHT, NINE MEGAWATTS IS POWER, NOT ENERGY AS WHICH MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT'S FOR OUR DURATION, THAT'S MAKE THIS THE 22 MEGAWATT, UH, ENERGY CAPACITY.
UM, UH, CLA IS NOT OF A US HOLDING COMPANY.
LAST I CHECKED, UH, FOR LOAD DISPATCHED AND, AND IMPROVED EFFICIENCIES.
BESS NEED TO BE IN CITIES, NOT IN COUNTIES.
PJM STATES, IT IS STORAGE AND SOLAR.
PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE BEAR ISLAND.
UNLIKE SURY NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, BESS DO NOT MAKE ENERGY BUT CONSUME ENERGY AND ARE INEFFICIENT AND TO THE END USER, WE PAY FOR THOSE DIFFERENCES.
ALSO, THERE IS NO RUNDOWN ON THE BESS FACILITIES.
INEFFICIENCIES KNOWN AS ROUND TRIP EFFICIENCY.
UH, EXPECT BEAR ISLAND ENERGY WASTAGE TO BE THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT A 131 HOMES ENERGY USAGE ANNUALLY.
THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE AROUND ONE 20.
'CAUSE I LOOKED AT A WRONG, UH, NUMBER.
I USED 89 INSTEAD OF I USED 98 INSTEAD OF 89.
HAVE A LIST ON ALL THE NORTH CAROLINA, UH, FACILITIES.
VIRGINIA TO ONLY HAVE, HAS ONLY THREE.
AND THERE'S RELATIVELY NEW IN OPERATION AT THIS POINT.
IT'S ONLY, UH, DUE TO LACK OF, UM, OPERATING TIME.
VIRGINIA'S COMPARATIVE DATA IS SPARE.
I'VE DISSEMINATED DATA AND WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE INEFFICIENCIES OF RUNNING AROUND 24% INEFFICIENT.
AND WITH VIRGINIA, UNFORTUNATELY NEW AND INVOLVING TECHNOLOGY IS MORE EFFICIENT.
I DOUBT THAT FOLKS COULD BE PROVEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UM, WHICH COULD BE TOO LATE IF Y'ALL ALLOW THESE IN HERE.
THEY FELL, THEY FALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY TODAY AS SURY, WHICH MEANS THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL THAT PASSED THE US HOUSE WILL HAVE SUBSIDIZED FUNDING TAKING OUT OF IT.
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UM, 5 22 25 I ATTENDED A SEWER.I ALSO GO TO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION FOLKS, THE SEWER IS THE COMMISSION OF ELECTRIC UTILITY REGULATORS AND A ES FOLKS SAYING THAT WITHOUT FEDERAL FUNDING, THEY AND OTHERS, THEY'RE SPEAKING FOR OTHERS, THEY SAID WE'LL BE LEAVING VIRGINIA.
WELL, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU FOLKS? I'M SORRY.
SORRY FOLKS MIGHT HAVE VISITED ONE.
I HOPE YOU ASKED ONE PARTICULAR QUESTION CONCERNING ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WHO PAYS FOR THE INEFFICIENCIES? THE RATE PAYER DOES? PLEASE DO NOT ACCEPT THE NEEDED OLD SCHOOL PRACTICE THAT STORING ENERGY'S LESS EXPENSIVE TO LATER DISCHARGE WHEN NEEDED.
THAT IS OLD SCHOOL FOLKS THESE DAYS, THOSE DAYS ARE GONE WITH THE DESIGN AND OPERATIONS OF POWER FACILITIES.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? HEARING UNDER PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS? UM, MS. CHEEKS, THE CENTER, MS. CHEEKS AND OUT, I, SHE HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I I FEEL LIKE NEED TO BE CLARIFIED.
ONE OF THEM IS THE, THE WORD IS IT THE, THE SUBSTATION? IS THAT GONNA BE ON PROPERTY? AND DOES THE CUP WORK APPROVING TONIGHT OR DO YOU COME BACK LATER FOR A CUP FOR THE SUBSTATION AND THE SWITCH YARD? I GUESS BOTH OF 'EM.
THE, THE CUP FOR BOTH THE BATTERY STORAGE AND THE, UM, THE SWITCH YARD SLASH UH, SUBSTATION ARE, ARE, ARE PRESENTED FOR YOU TONIGHT.
IT'S A PACKAGE AND, AND IT IS ALL GONNA FIT ON THAT SPOT.
THE, I THINK THE APPLICANT ASKED THAT QUESTION A LOT BETTER.
SO ON, ON THE WESTERN OR THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE, THE PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE FOOTPRINT, THE, THE PINK SQUARE THERE WOULD BE THE, THE NEW SWITCHYARD THAT IS OUR POINT OF INTERACTION WITH THE GRID.
AND THEN THE ORANGE, UH, SQUARE THERE WOULD BE WHAT'S CONSIDERED THE PROJECT SUBSTATION.
SO THAT'S JUST WHERE OUR PROJECT MEETS THE, THE THE NEW POINT OF AIR CONNECTION WITH THE GRID.
THAT, SO THAT'S ALL PART OF, OF THE APPLICATION WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, I BROUGHT IT UP LAST TIME ABOUT THE NOISE.
I KNOW THAT THE VEGETATION LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN, BUT TO ME THE BEST WOULD BE IF I'M, IF I'M LIVING THERE NOW AND YOU'RE COMING IN THE BEST AT MY HOUSE IS ZERO BECAUSE I WAS THERE FIRST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN LATER, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
THEY NEED TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE WHAT'S THERE BEFORE THEY BUY THE PROPERTY.
UH, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE IT SO THAT, UH, I MEAN WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN BUILD SOUND BARRIERS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S WHAT ONE RESIDENCE IS ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORRECT.
IS ISN'T THAT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ANYWHERE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE RESIDENCE.
THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE IS IS 2,300 FEET FROM YEAH, A LONG WAY.
THE AWAY FROM THE SITE, WHICH IS IS YEAH.
IS A FAR AWAY AWAY AND JUST BASED ON DISTANCE ALONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME, RIGHT.
IT'D BE ABOUT 38 DECIBELS TO THAT HOUSE AND, AND JUST AMBIENT NIGHTTIME NOISE IS, IS LOUDER THAN THAT IN, IN RURAL SETTINGS.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF ZERO NOISE IS, IS, UH, NOT SURE IT'S REALLY POSSIBLE OUTSIDE OF LIKE VACUUM CHANGE ARTIFICIAL ENVIRONMENTS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, THIS, IT'S GONNA BE VERY QUIET TO, TO EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, TO THE POINT WHERE EVEN BEFORE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE TREES BETWEEN THE CURRENT HOUSES AND THE, THE SITE, UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S JUST EXCEEDINGLY QUIET AT AT THAT DISTANCE.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY, AS FAR AS THE CUP, DO WE HAVE ANY I'M OKAY WITH IT AS LONG AS THE HOME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITIZEN THAT'S BEEN LIVING THERE, I THINK A NOTICE PLAN HAS TO BE SUBMITTED BEFORE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND I I I WILL SAY THIS PART, I, I TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT EARLIER TODAY, UM, AND, AND NOTICING THAT THERE, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH THAT MAY BE IMPACTED AND JUST ASKING IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER TO THE NORTH, UH, TO INCREASE IT FROM 100 FEET TO 200 FEET.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DID SAY THEY, THEY COULD CONSIDER, THEY WOULD CONSIDER DOING THAT.
AND THAT'S, WE'D BE, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS THE START OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, NOT THE END AND IN OUR MIND.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE A, A FINAL LAYOUT AND WE RUN THE FULL NOISE MODELING OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VOLUME AT THE, THE PROPERTY LINES INTO THE HOMES.
IF IT'S LOUDER THAN WE'VE SUGGESTED OR IF IT, IF IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE IT'LL BE A NUISANCE FOR NEIGHBORS, WE CAN, WE CAN CONSIDER EXTRA SCREENING.
WE CAN CONSIDER OTHER, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AT THAT.
JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE SOUND WALL IS, UM, I, I THINK THAT IT'S EXCESSIVE IN THIS CASE AND THEY'RE EXCEEDINGLY EXPENSIVE.
AND I THINK THAT JUST BASED ON WHERE THIS IS LOCATED,
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THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S, IT HAS ZERO IMPACT, UM, JUST BASED ON ITS, ITS LOCATION.BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE ALL, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK AND, AND APPROVAL AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE.
LIKE I SAID, AS LONG AS Y'ALL GONNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, IF, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THEN YOU'LL TAKE THE STEPS TO MAKE MR. JONES SITTING IN HIS HAMMOCK ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON.
HE HAS NO IDEA THERE'S A BATTERY STREAM THAT THAT'S, THAT SHOULD BE THE FAIR THING TO DO.
AND SOME SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION HERE FOR CLEAN AIR.
WE, OUR PLAN IS TO BUILD AND OWNED AND, AND OPERATE THESE THINGS.
SO OUR, OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS TO, TO BE HERE FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
SO IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO, TO BUILD A GOOD PROJECT AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
WE'LL OWN IT, BUT ALSO WE'LL BE A PART OF, OF THE COMMUNITY IN THAT WAY AS WELL.
SO, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING MS. CHEEK HAS PUT ON THERE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON OUR ENERGY ORDINANCE, WE SAY IF IT QUITS PRODUCING ENERGY FOR SIX MONTHS AND, AND THAT WHAT OUR SAYS THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF, THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE KIND OF SERVE.
NOTICE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN THERE SAID 12.
WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THEY DO LOSE THE FUNDING, HOW LONG, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA SIT THERE BEFORE SOMEBODY CLEANS UP THE MESS? I GUESS I MEAN ARE, OR WERE THEY IN OUR ORDINANCE? IS THAT CORRECT? SAYS SIX MONTHS? UH, I BELIEVE YOUR, SO I BELIEVE YOUR SOLAR ORDINANCE SAYS SIX MONTHS.
IT'S JUST SOLAR, NOT SOLAR, NOT ENERGY.
THIS, THIS ONE SAYS DECOMMISSIONING SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED UPON ABANDONMENT AND OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE FACILITY DUE TO THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE, WHICH RESULTS IN PERMANENT CEASING OF OPERATIONS.
AND THEN THAT KICKS OFF YOUR DECOMMISSIONING PLAN SECTION.
SO YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TIMON STUDY IS A 12 MONTH OKAY DEADLINE.
AND THIS, THIS SAYS ONCE WE TURN IT OFF AND IT'S AT, IT'S AT THE END OF ITS LIFE, WE GOTTA DECOMMISSION IT.
SO THAT'S EVEN, SO WE, THAT'S EVEN TIGHTER THAN, DO WE GIVE YOU A, A TIMELINE THAT ORDINANCE? YES.
THIS IS, THAT'S OUR ORDINANCE.
MR. WADE AND MR. F, IF, HELP ME, REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT SOLAR AND, AND THE, THE PART ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING, WAS IT NOT DETERMINED THAT EVEN IF YOU WERE NOT PRODUCING ENERGY, THAT SUR COUNTY WOULD STILL HAVE TO RECEIVE THE TAX REVENUE THAT'S CORRECT FROM THE PROJECT, WHETHER IT WAS PRODUCING ENERGY OR NOT.
THEREFORE, WE WOULD STILL RECEIVE THE FUNDING THAT WE SHOULD RECEIVE.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S THERE, IT'S, IT'S TAXABLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASHER ONE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2025 DASH ONE FOR THE APPLICANT FOR BEAR ALLEN STORAGE.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED.
AND SECOND, THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASH ONE B APPROVED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASH ONE IS APPROVED.
UH, MOVING TO THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM, UH, SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD DETERMINATION CHAIR 2025 DASH CHAIR.
OH, I'M SORRY, JUST CLARIFICATION IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
I'M SORRY, TO THE, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD DETERMINATION.
YOU WILL, YOU WILL HAVE SEEN THE, UH, THE CEP WITHIN THE CEP PACKAGE.
UM, THERE IS, WHERE'S THAT AT? I'M SORRY.
BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THIS ITEM HERE.
UM, THAT THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WAS WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
YOU, YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR, YOUR MOTION.
THAT'D BE WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
SO, SO COMMISSIONER, UM, WE'VE ASKED, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE SURE
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THAT WE HAVE, UM, STATED THINGS CORRECTLY.SO I'M ASKING MR. HARDY IF HE WAS, RESTATE HIS MOTION, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT INCLUDES THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS TO RECOMMEND THIS PROJECT BEFORE APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2025 DASH OH ONE WITH THE RECOMMENDED, UH, CHANGES FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IS THERE A SECOND RE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS? I APOLOGIZE.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND THAT, UH, CUP NUMBER 2025 DASH ONE BE RECOMMENDED, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS, SO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT, NOW MOVING ON TO THE NEXT NEW BUSINESS ITEM, SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD DETERMINATION NUMBER 2025 DASH ONE.
YOU ALL HAVE, UM, LISTENED THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CONDITION USE PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT FOR, UM, BATTERY STORAGE IN A, UH, SWITCHYARD.
UM, AS PART OF THAT PROJECT PROJECT, UM, IT DOES REQUIRE A SUBSTANTIAL COURT DETERMINATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AND REVIEWING, UH, THE COURTS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STAFF HAS FOUND THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, LOOKING THROUGH THE 2040 ATIVE PLAN, UH, WE NOTE THAT THIS AREA IS FOR ROAD PRESERVATION.
UM, PLAN RECOMMENDATION, UH, SHOULD GENERALLY NOT CONTINUE, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY ARE GREATER THAN ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE.
IT SHOULD NOT REQUIRE, PUBLIC UTILITIES SHOULD NOT BE EXTENDED.
THIS WILL NOT USE PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, RECOMMENDS WATER OR VEGETATIVE BUFFERING TO REDUCE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING LAND, ESPECIALLY AGRICULTURAL LAND.
THE PROJECT INCORPORATES A RETAINED RE VEGETATIVE BUFFER SHOULD NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS.
UM, AS PART OF THE 20, UH, THE ENERGY AMENDMENT.
UM, THE PLAN OF RECOMMENDATION IS TO AVOID DEVELOPING ENERGY PROJECTS WITHIN ONE HALF MILE OF A REGISTER OF A REGISTERED HISTORICAL SITES AND HISTORIC V SHEDS OR WITHIN SEVEN 50 FEET OF A PLACE OF WORSHIP.
UM, THAT ALTHOUGH THE PARCEL PROPERTY LIES WITHIN 750 FEET OF THE HISTORIC CEMETERY AND A SITE OWNED BY TRUSTEES OF, UH, TREE OF LIFE CHURCH, THE ACTUAL PROJECT SITE IS OVER 5,900 FEET FROM THE FORMER AND 3,500, UH, FROM FROM THE OTHER.
UM, WE ARE AVOIDING ENERGY PROJECTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL INVESTMENT AREA IN CORRIDORS.
IT IS, IT IS IN ENROLLED PRESERVATION AREA AND NOT, NOT A, NOT ONE OF THE RUSSIAN INVESTMENT AREAS OR CORRIDORS LOCATE THE, WHERE THE CENTER OF THE SITE IS WITHIN ONE MILE TRANSMISSION LINES.
THE CENTER WHERE THE SITE IS, UH, 800 IS LESS THAN UH, 900 FEET FROM THE TRANSMISSION LINES, UH, MAINTAINED BIODIVERSITY AND WILDLIFE THROUGH UNDERSTOOD VEGETATION AND BUFFERING.
THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY CIVIL CULTURE AND FOREST, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A, A BUFFER OF A HUNDRED FEET LOCATE AT LEAST 750 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENCE.
THE PROJECT SITE IS THREE 2,300 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENCE LOCATED AT LEAST A HALF MILE FROM ANY EXISTING UTILITY SCALE PROJECT SITES.
THE PROJECT SITE IS 2,700 FEET FROM THE NEAREST SOLAR FACILITY.
UM, IN, IN THIS SITUATION, WE, WE DO SEE THAT THE PROJECT MAKES A SUBSTANTIAL COURT TERM, UH, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FINDS IT IN COMPLIANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO, FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE SUBSTANTIAL RECORD DETERMINATION NUMBER 2025 DASH OH ONE.
MR. RECOMMEND
YOU CAN, YOU CAN APPROVE, YOU CAN APPROVE THIS.
THIS CAN, THIS CAN BE APPROVED.
AND, AND JUST, AND JUST FOR, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL, SINCE I KNOW THESE DON'T COME AROUND VERY OFTEN, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD DETERMINATION.
WHILE IT WAS FOR THE CUP, I KNOW IT'S THE SAME PROJECT, SO IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING AT TIMES.
BUT, UM, THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT.
AND I TAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL DETERMINATION.
AND SECOND, THAT SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD DETERMINATION 2025 DASH ONE BE APPROVED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY
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BY SAYING AYE.THE SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD DETERMINATION IS APPROVED.
ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF ITEMS EIGHT, NINE, AND 10.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM YOU SIR? NO, SIR.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO OUR JUNE, EXCUSE ME.
PROPERTY MOVING SECOND THAT WE ADJOURN.