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[Planning Commission on September 22, 2025.]
GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, OR GOOD EVENING.WE WILL GET READY TO START THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER THE 22ND OF 2025.
WILL EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION, GOD AND HIS VISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A ROLL CALL AT THIS TIME HERE, MR. HARDY.
PRESENT? MR. BERRYMAN BROCK? HERE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE ADOPTION OF THE MEETING AGENDA.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
MR. CHAIR? YES, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
AND SECOND THAT THE, UM, MEETING AGENDA BE ADOPTED AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CONSENT ITEMS. DISPOSITION OF MINUTES FROM THE JULY 28TH, 2025 MEETING AS YOU WERE COMING TO YOUR SEATS.
THERE ARE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 28TH MEETING IF YOU'LL TAKE THE TIME TO REVIEW THEM AT THIS TIME, AND THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WHEN YOU READ.
CAN YOU, UM, SEND THOSE OUT IN THE EMAIL TO WAIT, WERE THEY UNATTACHED? YES.
THEY WERE AN ATTACHMENT IN EMAIL? YES.
UH, THERE ARE NO, UH, CHANGES NEEDED.
I WOULD SAY WE ADOPTED MINUTES OF JULY 28, UH, 25 MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? RIGHT? IT'S BEEN PROBABLY MOVED IN SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 28TH, 2025 MEETING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? THE AYE HAS THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
UM, MOVING ON TO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 2025.
UH, COMMISSIONER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IT MUST, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A ADMISSION FROM STAFF FROM THIS ONE FOR LOOKING AT THAT PARTICULAR WEEK.
THAT THE WEEK THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE PARTY COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED IS FOR THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING.
IT'S A REACTION TO MOVE THAT CALENDAR DATE UP ONE, ONE, UH, ONE WEEK TO THE, TO THE 17TH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEING CHANGED ON THIS CALENDAR.
YOU'VE HEARD MR. WADE, IS THERE A MOTION TO MOVE THE NOVEMBER, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025? MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE OUR NOVEMBER DEAD 24TH MEETING TO THE 17TH OF 2025.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OH, I HAVE ONE.
CAN GET IT OUT THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE OCTOBER 10TH DATE.
WE'LL STILL STILL BE ABLE TO SAY, ATTEMPT TO TAKE APPLICATIONS BY THAT DATE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED.
AND SECOND THAT WE MOVE OUR NOVEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO NOVEMBER THE 17TH OF 2025.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? YOU GUYS HAVE THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
THE MEETING IS NOW NOVEMBER 17TH.
MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS, MR. WADE, THAT THERE, THERE IS NO OLD BUSINESS AT THIS AT THIS POINT.
WE WILL, FOR THE, FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF THE PUBLIC, WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS UNTIL SIX 30.
THAT'S WHAT THE TIME THAT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SIX 30 TO TAKE UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
WE WANT TO BE FAIR AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND EITHER HEAR OR SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, IF ANY PUBLIC WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO
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COME AND SPEAK TO ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO RELATED TO THE AGENDA.ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE TO COMMITTEE UPDATES.
SO THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO, UH, TALK WITH YOU ABOUT WITH COMMITTEE UPDATES.
UM, THERE'S TWO AREAS ALL REVOLVE AROUND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, UM, AND OUR, UM, SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES.
I DO HAVE A CALENDAR TO TO DISTRIBUTE TO EACH OF YOU ALL IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
UM, ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD GIVE ONE SIR.
UH, WE DO HAVE OUR FIRST INITIAL, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, GROUP THIS UPCOMING, UH, WEEK.
AND WE WILL BE STARTING LOOKING AT OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAPS.
UM, WE, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS SUMMIT, UM, ON A LOT OF OUR DATA UPDATES.
UM, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN CENSUS, THIS INFORMATION, UM, RELATIVE TO OUR LAST CHANGE, IT WAS 20 20, 20 21.
IT WAS APPROVED, BUT A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IS PROBABLY THREE YEARS OLD BY THE TIME IT ACTUALLY GOT APPROVED BY, BY, BY OUR BOARD.
SO THAT INFORMATION IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTDATED SO THAT THAT INFORM DATA WAS GONNA BE UPDATED.
BUT WE DO HAVE SOME FUTURE LAND USE AREAS THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
UM, AS, AS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WE HAVE TO, UH, GIVE OUR CONSULTANTS SOME OF THESE, UH, THIS INFORMATION, SOME OF OUR SMALL, UH, OUR SMALL, UH, DETAIL INFORMATION TO THEM.
UM, WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE SOME TECHNICAL UPDATES COMING BACK FROM OUR CONSULTANTS BACK TO US THE FOLLOWING MONDAY, WHICH GIVES THEM A WEEK TO KIND OF TURN SOME THINGS AROUND.
AND THEN WE ATTEND TO HAVE OUR FIRST DRAFT BACK FROM, UH, FROM SUMMIT AND, AND, AND POSTING IT ON OUR WEBSITE OCTOBER 22ND.
UM, AND, UH, ON THE 27TH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, INTEND TO HAVE A WORK SESSION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT THE, THE P ITSELF, THE SAME DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BE OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE LOOK TO HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH THE COMMISSION ITSELF.
AND ON NOVEMBER THE THIRD, HAVE A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE ON THAT DRAFT.
UM, AND, UH, APPROXIMATELY A MONTH LATER HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE, IN THE AND COUNTY.
UM, WE WOULD, WE DIDN'T HAVE, OUR SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW IS FOR US TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON DECEMBER THE 15TH.
WE WOULD LOOK THROUGH DISPERSE COMMENTS TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ON THAT DATE TO SEE WHAT THE COMMENTS ARE.
UM, AFTER THAT, AT THAT POINT OF REVIEWING THOSE COMMENTS WITH PUT COMMISSION, WE WOULD ALSO SHARE WITH OUR CO WITH OUR CONSULTANTS WHAT CHANGES THAT WE SEE NEED TO BE MADE IN THE PLAN AND UPDATE THOSE PLANS.
AND THE HOPE IS TO HAVE A FINAL DRAFT FROM SUMMIT, UM, JANUARY 9TH, AND THEN HAVE A, A DRAFT OF THAT PLAN, A FINAL DRAFT FOR THAT PLAN, READY FOR THE JANUARY MEETING AT PLENTY COMMISSION.
UM, AND THEN READY TO REVIEW EVERYTHING IN, IN DETAIL TO HAVE A, A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR JA AT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING.
AND THEN THEREAFTER, DEPENDING ON OUR SCHEDULE, HE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT MAYBE HAVE OUR, OUR BOARD SUPERVISOR MEETING ON, UH, FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 5TH OF MARCH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A COUNTER OF, OF HOW WE GET TO THE END, UH, SO TO SPEAK.
SO IF ANY OF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'M OPEN TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT OUR, OUR SCHEDULE.
UM, BEFORE THAT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE ACCOUNT? DO YOU MIND? THAT'S WHO, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE IT WOULD BE.
UH, MR. WOODEN, MR. HARDY, MR. BERRYMAN, UM, MR. LUNSFORD AND MS. JENKINS.
THEN TRANSVERSE OVER TO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, OUR SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES ON LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS WELL AS WHAT GENEROUSLY UPDATES ARE.
SEE WHAT THINGS NEED TO BE CHANGED AND WHAT THINGS CAN WE CHANGE IS A VERY FINE LINE OF THINGS THAT OUR
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CURRENT ORDINANCE GU REQUIRES US TO DO.UM, I THINK EVEN BE, EVEN BEFORE OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, BEFORE EVEN BEFORE JULY 1ST, THERE, THERE WERE MOST LIKELY ITEMS THAT MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
UM, AND SO WORKING THROUGH WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED BEFORE AND THEN NOW SEEING WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN ADDITION TO ALL THOSE OTHER ITEMS IS, IS, IS, IS, IS, IS IS TAKES A LOT OF REVIEW TO GO THROUGH THROUGH THAT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
AND THEN I ALSO PRO PROVIDE, I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR SUBCOMMITTEE ABOUT CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE IT BETTER BECAUSE WE, WE, WE ALL CARE ABOUT SURREY.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BEST PRODUCT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO BY DOING THAT IS ALSO SEEING THOSE CHANGES THAT WE SEE.
ARE THERE LEGAL WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS? SO THERE'S A, A FINE LINE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DRAWING WITH THAT.
WE'RE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THINGS THAT HAVE TO CHANGE IN THE CURRENT CODE.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE STILL HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS TO DO AFTER LOOKING AT THINGS THAT HAVE TO CHANGE IN THE CURRENT CODE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL UPDATE TO KNOW WHERE WE WERE AS STAFF.
UM, AND THEN WHATEVER STAFF COMES UP WITH, WE HAVE TO THEN WORK WITH LEGAL TO MAKE SURE LEGALLY CAN WE DO THOSE THINGS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S EXTRA REVIEW ON TOP OF A REVIEW TO MAKE SURE, UM, WHEN WE BRING SOMETHING TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SAY, OKAY, WELL I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
UM, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SUBMIT A FULL DOCUMENT OVER TO YOU ALL AS, AS THE FULL BODY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE PLAN.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IS A NICE DRAFT TO GO BEFORE OUR SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE BE ABLE TO WORK OUT SOME FINAL DETAILS WITH, WITH THAT SUBCOMMITTEE TO BRING TOWARDS TO FULL BODY.
UM, I THINK INITIALLY WE THOUGHT MAYBE FOUR MONTHS AS, AS WE'RE LOOKING, AS I'M LOOKING MORE INTO IT MYSELF, I'M BEGINNING THAT FOUR MONTHS IS LOOKING MORE, MORE AND MORE LIKE SIX PLUS MONTHS WITH THE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEHIND, THAT'S BEHIND THAT.
UM, I LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT CAN GET DONE IN SIX MONTHS.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE PO I THINK THAT IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT COULD, IT COULD.
UM, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF WORK BEHIND THAT.
UH, MR. WADE IS, IS THAT JUST WHAT EVERYTHING LINING UP WITH THE NEW STATE CODES AND EVERYTHING, IS THAT, IS THAT LIKE THE STARTING POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO START AT MR. CHAIR? YES.
AND, AND PART OF THE ISSUE IS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2016.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS MADE CHANGES SINCE 2016, UM, ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CHANGES THAT WERE JUST IMPLEMENTED THAT WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH, THAT, THAT WENT INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1ST.
SO, UM, I'M HAVING TO BACKTRACK.
I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SINCE 22
SO, UM, EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT, UM, THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT MR. WADE AND I ARE HAVING TO DO.
AND MR. WADE'S BEEN HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN I HAVE, BUT NOT BY MUCH.
SO, UM, WE KIND OF HAVE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, GET IN OUR TIME MACHINE AND GO BACK AND, AND GO BACK TO 2016 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE ALL OF THOSE CHANGES.
AND REALISTICALLY, IT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR A FACT, BUT IT COULD BE THAT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, IT COULD BE THAT CHANGES, MULTIPLE CHANGES WERE MADE TO PERHAPS THE SAME SECTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BECOMING A MORE INVOLVED PROCESS THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT IT WAS.
AND I THINK THERE WAS, WELL, LET'S SAY FOR, FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE SUB THAT PART, BUT YES MA'AM.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, UM, ONE THING THAT JUST COMES TO MIND, 'CAUSE NO, THERE LIKE TWO VERY BUSY PEOPLE,
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A VERY FOCAL POINT IN OUR WHOLE COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
SO DO YOU NEED A HELP AS, AND I'M JUST ASKING, UM, IS AS A COMMISSION, CAN WE RECOMMEND ADVISORS THAT THEY NEED YOU? CONTRACTUAL HELP YOU JOB HAS ENDED UP BEING, YOU KNOW, BIGGER THAN WHAT YOU THOUGHT AND A LOT OF HISTORY, AND I'M JUST GOING ON OUT.
I, I WON'T SPEAK FOR MS. PERKINS.
I, I, I CAN LET HER SPEAK FOR, FOR HER, BUT I KNOW FOR, FOR MY STAFF RIGHT HERE, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, TWO NEW STAFF MEMBERS THAT AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST HAVING TO SET ASIDE TIME TO ACTUALLY REVIEW THAT WORK TO SEE WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, AND PLAYING CATCH UP, TRYING TO
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FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AGAIN FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, THEN SEEING WHAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED.AGAIN, WORKING WITH MS. PERKINS IN HER OFFICE TO SEE WHAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FROM IN OUR PARTICULAR CODE SECTION.
UM, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING, IF I LOOK AT A GLASS BALL AND SAY, MAN, I WISH THIS STUFF WAS DONE WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS HITTING MY WINDOW WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE WAS, SO IT WAS SOLAR PROJECTS.
SO THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, TO SAY WE COULD'VE WISH YOU, COULD'VE, WOULD'VE, SHOULD HAVE.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, I, I PROBABLY HAVE LIKE FIVE ORDINANCES THAT I'D LOVE TO TAKE CARE OF RIGHT NOW THAT I'D LOVE TO UPDATE.
BUT YOU CAN ONLY SOMETIMES ADDRESS A FEW AT A, A FEW, AT A TIME WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT WORKLOAD THAT WE HAVE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A TIMELINE 'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH YOU ALL TOO, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE BEST PRODUCT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UM, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH, UH, NOW WE DID WORK WITH THE, WITH THE SHORT TERMS, WE DID HIRE ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL, UH, CONSULTANTS TO HELP US OUT WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BUT THAT WAS MORE OF A FOCUS STUDY.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WITH SUBDIVISIONS.
THIS IS YOU ALL'S PURVIEW, SPECIFICALLY YOUR PURVIEW OF, OF LOOKING AT IT.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHEN IT GOES TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR FINAL, UM, VOTE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SAYS UNDER ORDINANCE IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS, UH, AMENDED, YOU ALL REVIEW IT FIRST.
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TOWARDS IT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE VISOR.
SO THAT, THAT IS DEFINITELY IN YOU ALL PERFECTLY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I KNOW SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT THAT'S BEEN A BROADER CATEGORY OUTSIDE OF JUST THE ZONING HORSE IS, IS MORE THAN THAT.
BUT, UM, I, I, I'LL KIND OF LEAVE SOME OF THAT QUESTION UP TO MS. PERKINS ABOUT.
WELL, FIRST, MS. CHEEK, THANK YOU
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR EVEN MAKING THAT OFFER.
IT IS, IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
UM, I DO HAVE AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL BUDGET AND I DO, UH, ENGAGE THE SERVICES OF OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHEN NECESSARY.
UM, WHETHER BECAUSE IT NEEDS A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE OR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY SCHEDULE JUST, JUST CAN'T HANDLE IT.
UM, NOW I DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES WHEN I PUT IN MY BUDGET REQUEST
SO I, I'M OKAY RIGHT NOW AND IF I NEED TO ENGAGE THOSE SERVICES, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO.
BUT, UM, I ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TREPIDATION ABOUT PAYING SOMEONE TO GO BACK ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2016.
THERE IS A COST INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE COUNSEL FEES ARE QUITE EXORBITANT PER HOUR.
AND, UM, I, I JUST, I TRY TO USE THAT, THOSE FUNDS VERY CAUTIOUSLY AND VERY JUDICIOUSLY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE OFFER AND, UM, I, I MIGHT, I MIGHT COME BACK AND PING YOU ALL
BUT RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT THE FUNDS IF, IF I NEED TO ENGAGE THAT ASSISTANCE.
AND MS. PERKINS AND MR. WADE, AM I CORRECT IN SAYING IF YOU DO RUN INTO A SITUATION OF LIKE THAT, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU MS. CHIEF FOR BRINGING UP THE POINT, BUT WOULD THAT BE A CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHO THEN IN TURN WOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? UM, YES.
IT, IF IT'S OUTSIDE THE BUDGET CYCLE MM-HMM
THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE MORE CONVERSATIONS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU, YOU ALL DON'T HAVE A CORRECT A A POOL OF MONEY THAT YOU CAN TRANSFER TO EITHER MR. WADE OR MYSELF.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THOSE WOULD BE LARGER CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE HAD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION REGARDING MR. WADE'S, UH, UPDATES? WHAT, I HAVE A QUESTION AS FAR AS YOUR NEW SUBDIVISIONS BETWEEN NOW AND I GUESS TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN WE MET IN JULY.
I, I WASN'T HERE, BUT I GOT THE NOTES SAYING IT WOULD BE TWO MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS MAX.
WHAT ABOUT THE PERSON THAT COMES UP AND WANTS TO DO A SUBDIVISION TURN IN A APPLICATION NOW? ARE THEY STILL BEING GOV? ARE WE STILL BEING, ARE WE STILL GOVERNING BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE NOW? AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, WHO, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT WOULD BE A LEGAL QUESTION.
UM, THE ANSWER IS, IT DEPENDS.
UM, IF, IF WE HAVE AN EXISTING ORDINANCE OR SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT VIRGINIA CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS, THEN THAT PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS COMPLETELY UNENFORCEABLE.
IF IT'S A PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE WHERE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE FLEXIBILITY TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IN CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, NOT PUT IN CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, THEN IT, IT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THE APPLICATION, WOULD BE GOVERNED BY WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE.
SO I I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION AND I, I THINK I
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SPEAK FOR MR. WADE AND MYSELF WHEN I SAY WE WANT TO GET THIS IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN CASE ANOTHER APPLICATION COMES DOWN THE PIKE.UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO ADJUST EXPECTATIONS.
I, I WILL BE HONEST WITH ALL OF YOU.
WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE MINUTES FROM JULY 28TH AND I SAW FOUR MONTHS, I SAID, WHOA, WHOA,
UM, AND THAT WAS OF CONCERN TO ME.
SO WHEN MR. WADE AND I DISCUSSED IT, WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO JUST BE UPFRONT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND JUST LET YOU ALL KNOW, IT MAY TAKE US A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION, AND WE KNOW FROM OUR FIRST STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING, WE HAVE A COUPLE, ONE VERY EASY TOPIC WAS HOW BIG IS LARGE OR HOW LARGE IS LARGE? SURE.
JUST THE DEFINITION, BUT IT'S VERY CRITICAL TO SUBDIVISIONS BEING CREATED IN THE COUNTY IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
DO WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE COMPLETE, I MEAN, ARE WE OUT, ARE WE ABLE TO AMEND A COUPLE OF HOT ISSUES? WE FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PEOPLE COMING IN TO APPLY FOR, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THE SIX MONTHS OR COULD THE STEERING COMMITTEE GO AHEAD AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING FOR MAYBE A COUPLE? THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU TOOK NOTES OF THAT MM-HMM
WE NEEDED TO DO THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LEGISLATION.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS JUST THINGS WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE, THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN THAT WE COULD CLARIFY THOSE, THAT IN THE MEANTIME, SOMEBODY DOESN'T WASTE THEIR TIME COMING IN, YOU KNOW, FILLING AN APPLICATION AND, AND GET DISCOURAGED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, AM I MAKING SENSE AT ALL? Y YOU ARE, YOURS CAN, CAN, CAN WE DO THAT OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE FINISHED PRODUCT? SO TECHNICALLY FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, YES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A COMPLETE OVERHAUL.
NOW, I WILL SAY THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY BEST PRACTICE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AS WE DO IN THIS CASE, THAT A MORE COMPREHENSIVE OVERHAUL IS NEEDED.
THE OTHER RISK YOU RUN IS THAT IF YOU MAKE A CHANGE TO ONE SECTION, UM, THERE COULD BE RAMIFICATIONS TO OTHER SECTIONS.
SO EVEN IF WE TRY AND STAY FOCUSED ON, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR EXAMPLE, THE THE SIZE, IT COULD BE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO OTHER PROVISIONS THAT MAYBE AREN'T FOCUSED ON THE SIZE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEM.
AND THOSE COULD BE SECTIONS THAT WE'RE THEN GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES TOO.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LEGALLY CAN WE DO THAT? YES.
AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GIVEN, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT BEST PRACTICE, BUT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISHES TO GIVE US, THEN WE WILL PROCEED.
I THINK OUR BYLAWS SAY THAT WE CAN HAVE A CHAIRMAN FOR THAT COMMITTEE, WE CAN ELECT A CHAIRMAN, COULD WE ELECT A CHAIRMAN? AND THEN THE, THE COMMITTEE MEET AND DECIDE IF, IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE FEEL LIKE NEED TO BE ENACTED ON PRIOR TO SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY.
VERSUS Y'ALL HAVE A PLAN, YOU HAVE A SCHEDULE, YOU'RE GOING BY THAT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ITEMS THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE FEELS LIKE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.
SO, SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SUB COMMITTEE MEETING, I GUESS TO ELECT THE CHAIRMAN TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, TO GET BACK TO YOU TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE BIG PICTURE, BUT HERE'S A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PUT A COUPLE PATCHES IN THIS UNTIL WE GET, YOU KNOW, THE FULLY FINISHED PRODUCT.
WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE FOR THAT? SO TO, I MEAN, TO CALL A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, I MEAN, THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE.
SO IF YOU ALL DIRECT, IF THERE, IF THERE'S A VOTE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, MR. WADE WILL SCHEDULE THAT, THAT MEETING.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF A, A CHAIR FOR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, I, I DON'T RECALL THE PAST HISTORY WHETHER WE'VE HAD CHAIRS FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES OR NOT.
A, A LOT OF OUR BUDDY COMMISSION OR ACTUALLY HAD THE CHAIR MR. BROUGHT WAS KIND, HE WAS KIND OF UNOFFICIALLY, DEFACTO, DEFACTO.
SO, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THIS.
DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO PROVE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE PRIOR TO SIX MONTHS TO MAKE THAT DECISION? IS THAT, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A MOTION, MR. WE YEAH, I, I, I, I THINK IF WE GET A BODY OF LIKE MAYBE TWO OR THREE APPOINTING COMMISSIONERS AND IN THAT SUBCOMMITTEE KIND OF SAY, LISTEN, WE, WE, WE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, THEN WE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE, OR A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING FOR THAT, FOR THAT MATTER.
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OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT TIMEFRAMES AND WHAT, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WISH TO ACCOMPLISH IN, IN SAID MEETING.'CAUSE UM, WE HAVE A SET OF THINGS THAT WE WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT BEFORE WE SET UP THE NEXT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
BUT IF THAT GOES CONTRARY TO WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE I I'D RATHER HAVE A VERY EFFICIENT, UM, AND, AND WE GET SOMETHING OUT OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
SO I, AND I KNOW, I KNOW YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING OUTTA THAT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AS, AS WELL, SOME CONCRETE THAT COMES OUTTA THAT MEETING TOO.
SO THAT I, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UM, WITH THAT COME OUT WITH SOME, UH, A, A SCHEDULE OR A, A A A TIME, A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, UM, TO HAVE SAID MEETING, BUT ALSO INFORMATION THAT YOU WISH TO DISCUSS AND INFORMATION THAT YOU'D RATHER YOU, YOU'D LIKE TO LEAVE WITH, UM, ALBEIT MAYBE A, UM, TO-DO LIST OR, OR A TIME-WISE, WE, WE GOT A CALENDAR OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE OUT OF THAT.
I, I'D RATHER LEAVE THAT MEETING FEELING LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE A SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT INSTEAD OF, IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER MONTH, ANOTHER MONTH, ANOTHER MONTH, ANOTHER MONTH.
UM, JUST A SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
WELL, WITHOUT CALLING A MO I MEAN, WITHOUT MAKING A MOTION THEN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO SET A DATE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS THAT WE COULD MEET, NOT NOT MEET IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, BUT SET A DATE SURE.
IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IF THERE ARE SOME, AGAIN, SOME WHAT WE FEEL LIKE ARE CRITICAL AREAS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW VERSUS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
SO MR. COGGIN, WHAT I'LL DO, YES, I WILL, UM, CONFER WITH MR. WADE TO DO JUST THAT.
TALK ABOUT SETTING A MEETING DATE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE SUB.
UM, AND MR. WADE CAN CORRESPOND WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, HE HAS THE, THE SCHEDULE THAT'S BEFORE US FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, UM, THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, BUT I WILL CONFER WITH HIM AND HE WILL REACH OUT TO ALL THOSE MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE SUBDIVISION.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A VOTE FOR THAT.
THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HE CAN DO AS PC SECRETARY.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT BEFORE OUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING? I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO.
BECAUSE THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BASED ON THE THE CONFERENCES DRAFT UPDATE IS, IS, IS A WORK SESSION.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT BEING PROBABLY BEFORE 'CAUSE OF NEXT MEETING, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR PROBABLY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHAT, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THOSE MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE COMMUNICATE WITH MR. WADE ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO DISCUSS.
SO AS HE SAID, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MEETING, THAT MEETING IS A PRODUCTIVE THANK YOU, SIR.
COULD I, COULD I JUST GO, BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, UM, COMMITTEE
UM, SO WHAT I THINK I HEARD WAS, UH, IN PARTICULAR WE'D BE LOOKING FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT MAY BE KIND OF LIKE A RED FLAG OR SOMETHING THAT NEEDS A MORE IMMEDIATE ATTENTION GIVEN THAT WE MAY GET MORE, UM, APPLICATION I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY, SUCH AS FINDING WHAT LARGE IS OR, SO I'M JUST USING THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I HEARD FOCUS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, THAT THAT IS WHAT I HEARD MR. COGAN, UH, EXPLAIN.
AND ALSO, AS I SAID, ANY ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE, AGAIN, CORRESPOND WITH MR. WADE PRIOR TO HIM SITTING THAT MEETING.
THAT WAY WHEN THE MEETING DATE IS SCHEDULED, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IT'S THAT YOU NEED.
AND, AND, AND ALSO I CAN BE PREPARED TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE TOO.
SO IT, IT IS, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION REGARDING MR. WADE'S? UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
MS. THOMAS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, I'M, UH, I, I'M, I'M VERY CONFIDENT IN MR. WADE AND HIS TEAM, UM, TO FULFILL THE NEEDS AND ALSO MS. PERKINS AS THEY WORK ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER TO MAKE EVERYTHING RIGHT AND, UH, FOLLOW THE LAW OF COURSE.
SO, UM, LET'S HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN THESE GUYS AS WELL TOO.
BUT PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS, BRING THEM TO THE MEETING SO WE CAN DISCUSS 'EM.
UM, UH, ESPECIALLY IN SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS 'CAUSE THOSE ARE, UM, YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR THOSE
ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, ANY PC SECRETARY COMMUNICATIONS WHILE YOU'RE UP? UM, I THINK THAT COVERS QUITE EVERYTHING A BIT.
I THINK THAT COVERS QUITE A BIT, SO THANK YOU.
WE NEED A SIX 30 AND WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR NEW BUSINESS, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WADE, ANY ANY COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'M SORRY.
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PRESENTATION BY, UH, OUR, OUR A NEW SENIOR PLANNER, MS. HAILEY KEEN.SHE'S GONNA BE A STAFF REPORT.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT FOR DO, DO YOU, YOU WANNA READ, YOU WANNA READ OFF ON THE, THE PUBLIC APP? THE A.
UM, THIS EVENING WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL U USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASH ZERO TWO, THAT APPLICANT TREE OF LIFE CHURCH SEEKS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AS PERMITTED IN ARTICLE THREE, SECTION 3 3 0 2 PERMITTED USES OF THE SURREY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS IN ARTICLE FOUR, SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR CIVIC USES SECTION 4 6 0 6 RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, WHICH REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ESTABLISHING A NEW PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY 42 DASH 60 B IS A TWO ACRE PARCEL ZONED AR AGRICULTURAL RURAL, LOCATED ON WHITE MARSH ROAD STATE ROUTE SIX 17, APPROXIMATELY 1.85 MILES SOUTH OF COLONIAL TRAIL, EAST STATE ROUTE 10 AND DIRECTLY SOUTH SOUTHWEST OF 15,550 WHITE MARSH ROAD.
THE SITE THAT THIS, UM, RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY TREE OF LIFE CHURCH, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A TWO ACRE SITE.
UM, HERE'S A MAP OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE COUNTY, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS JUST SOUTH OF, UM, COLONIAL TRAIL EAST ON WHITE MARSH ROAD.
HERE'S A MAP SHOWING THE CURRENT LAND USE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN IN GREEN HERE AND THE YELLOW PARCELS, THERE'S FOUR OF THEM ON THERE, UM, ARE PARCELS WITH A PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL USE AND EVERYTHING ELSE SHADED BLUE.
AND THIS, UH, MAP IS PRIMARILY AGRICULTURAL OR FORESTRY.
THIS MAP SHOWS THE SURROUNDING ZONING IN THE AREA.
UM, AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WITH THE SITE, UH, THE APPLICANT DID HAVE AN RPA DELINEATION DONE AND THE SITE DOES NOT APPEAR TO CONTAIN RPA FEATURES.
UM, THE SITE, HOWEVER, DOES CONTAIN EXTENSIVE WETLANDS.
UM, THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A 32 FOOT VARIANCE PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
AND FOR THIS REASON, UM, THE SITE DESIGN, UH, INCLUDES A PARKING LOT THAT'S JUST 10 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF WHITE MARSH ROAD.
THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THIS SMALL SCREEN, UM, BUT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THIS IS A, UH, THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED.
AS YOU CAN SEE THIS, UM, KIND OF HASH MARK STUFF ON THE TOP OF THE PARCEL, UM, IS THAT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WETLANDS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS HAS REQUIRED THE, UM, CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE TO BE VERY CLOSE TO WHITE MARSH ROAD FOR DRAFT CONDITIONS.
UM, UH, STAFF PREPARED FOR DRAFT CONDITION AREAS.
UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE A STRIP OF MATURE WOODLAND ON THE EDGES OF THE PARCEL.
THERE ALREADY IS A BUFFER YARD THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, TO BE BETWEEN THE, UH, CHURCH SITE AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE THAT ABUTS IT.
UM, THIS DRAFT CONDITION WILL ALSO REQUIRE A PLANTING STRIP TO BE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE PARKING AREA AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE THERE TO BE A LANDSCAPED AREA BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND AT LEAST ONE DECIDUOUS TREE SHALL BE INSTALLED FOR EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES PROVIDED THERE'S 25 PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT'S CAN BE A TOTAL OF TWO TREES LIGHTING.
UM, WE INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT, UH, MAKES SURE THAT THERE'S NOT, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION OR LIGHT TRESPASS ONTO ADJOINING PROPERTIES IN THIS RURAL AREA.
UH, LIMITATION ON OCCUPANCY, THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE CHURCH SHALL BE LIMITED TO 100 PERSONS.
UM, WITH THE CURRENT PLAN, UM, THE CHURCH IS SUPPOSED TO SEAT 50 PEOPLE.
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UM, AND FINALLY THE SURFACE OF THE PARKING AREA, THE PARKING AREAS WILL HAVE A DUST-FREE SURFACE AND AT MINIMUM THE ENTRANCE DRIVES WILL BE PAVED.UM, AT THE MOMENT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.
COP CONSIDERATIONS PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SECTION 1 5 0 2 TRAFFIC CONGESTION, UM, PER THE APPLICANT'S LETTER ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION, TRAFFIC WILL PEAK ON SUNDAYS, WHICH WOULD NOT COINCIDE WITH THE NORMAL PEAK TRAFFIC TIMES FOR WHITE MARSH ROAD.
UM, THE APPLICANT STATES THAT THE CHURCH ISN'T EXPECT TO GENERATE A NOISE NUISANCE.
UM, AS I JUST MENTIONED IN THE DRAFT CONDITIONS, WE INCLUDED A CONDITION, UH, THAT BASICALLY FOLLOWS BEST PRACTICES TO REDUCE LIGHT POLLUTION AND TRESPASS, UH, DUST.
UH, DRAFT CONDITION FOUR UM, INCLUDES, UH, THE PARKING AREA BEING COVERED WITH A DUST-FREE SURFACE.
UH, THE PARKING SPOTS AT MINIMUM, ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, MUST BE, UH, AN ALL WEATHER SURFACED AREA AND THE ENTRANCE, THE LOT MUST BE PAVED AND ALL OPEN AREAS WILL BE SECURED WITH LAWN OR LANDSCAPING DRAINAGE.
THE APPLICANT STATES THAT MOST OF THE SITE WILL DRAIN TO THE FOREST OF WETLANDS ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AWAY FROM THE ROAD.
UH, THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT THIS USE WILL CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS WITH WATER QUALITY, AIR QUALITY, ODOR, FUMES, OR VIBRATIONS.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE CHURCH IS EXPECTED TO SEE MOST ACTIVITY ON ON SUNDAYS, UM, SITE DESIGN.
THE SITE DESIGN WILL CONFORM TO ALL OF SURREY COUNTY'S ORDINANCES AND WILL SUB BE SUBJECT TO ZONING PERMIT REVIEW.
UH, IT WILL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL SITE PLAN PROCESS PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED BY WHITE MARSH ROAD, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
AND IN THE, UM, THE CONCEPT SITE PLAN THAT I SHOWED EARLIER, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE EXACT CONFIGURATION OF THE ACCESS, UM, AND SCREENING.
ACCORDING TO THE, UH, SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, UH, THE SITE WILL REQUIRE A BUFFER YARD BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE NEXT TO IT.
AND AS I MENTIONED IN THE DRAFT CONDITIONS, WE WILL ALSO REQUIRE THAT THE SITE RETAIN SOME OF THE MATURE VEGETATION THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW ACCORDANCE WITH ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE APPLICANT MET ALL OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, UH, FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT.
RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IS A BUYRIGHT PERMITTED USE IN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT, BUT, UM, IN SECTION 4 6 0 6, THERE ARE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY USE, WHICH REQUIRE IT TO, UM, REQUIRE PEOPLE SEEKING A RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY USE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, NO MATTER WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
UM, IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT THEY HAVE THE BUFFER YARD.
I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, PARKING DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EACH FOUR SEATS IN THE BUILDING.
UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN INCLUDES ONE SPACE FOR EVERY TWO SEATS IN THE BUILDING.
UM, AND AS MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO KEEP SOME OF THAT, UM, MATURE VEGETATION AND THERE WILL BE A BUFFER YARD, SO IT'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPED AND SCREENED UP.
UM, THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UM, AND IT, UH, IS GOING TO HAVE WOODED OR VEGETATED BUFFERING.
UM, UM, SO IN CLOSING, UM, THE STRENGTHS OF THIS APPLICATION ARE THAT IT'S A LOW IMPACT USE AND IT CONFORMS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE ONLY WEAKNESS THAT WE IDENTIFIED AND ANALYSIS IS THAT, UM, THE SITE DOES CONTAIN THOSE SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS AND, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL REQUIRE TO SEEK A VARIANCE ON THE FRONT SETBACK LINE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION? I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
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A LIMIT OF 50 OF THE OCCUPANCY THAT'S NOT THE OCCUPANCY LIMIT THAT'S, UM, IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, JUST LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNING THE CHURCH BUILDING TO HAVE.BUT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE DRAFT, UM, UH, CONDITIONS THAT 100 PEOPLE IS EVER THE OCCUPANCY LIMIT FOR THAT SITE.
BUT IF, IF THEY WERE BLESSED TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE, THEY COULD COME BACK BEFORE US AND REQUEST THAT WE REVISE IT.
SO IT'S NOT A FOREVER AND DONE, THEY CAN'T JUST STICK THERE.
I GUESS WHAT TRIGGERED THIS, I JUST FOUND THAT KIND OF INTERESTING, THE SPARKING REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAD AND, UM, IN OUR HAND, IN OUR HANDOUT, YOU ARE MISSING THE ONE.
YEAH, I, I REALIZED
MAYBE THEY, WE NEED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR, UH, ENOUGH PARKING.
WE ALLOW THE CHURCH AND NOT LET THE PARKING BE A PROBLEM.
UH, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR MAILING ADDRESS.
UM, I PRE, I PRESIDE IN THE SUR DISTRICT, BUT WE, UH, MY, MY WIFE AND I OWN THE LAND BEHIND IT AND THE LAND ACROSS THE STREET.
WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS AT ALL.
MATTER OF FACT, WE THINK IT'D BE A GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, MY NAME IS ROY LANE AT 15 5 50 WHITE MARSH ROAD, SURREY.
I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THE CHURCH.
AND, UH, BASED ON WHAT I SEE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT AND MY PRIOR, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF THE CHURCH AND ITS OPERATIONS, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS HAVING THAT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
ONCE AGAIN, ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASH OH TWO? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME.
UH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ONE SECOND.
DID WE APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASH OH TWO? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASH OH TWO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THE CONDITIONAL PERMIT USE IS APPROVED.
CONGRATULATIONS BEING THAT WE HAVE MOVED THROUGH THE OTHER ITEMS. MR. WAIT SECOND.
THIS ONE SAY IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD FOR RECOMME THE BOARD FULFILL ONE.
SO WE, YEAH, WE RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, I KNOW YOU MADE COMMENTS.
DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS? NO, I, I I JUST WANT TO THANK, UM, MY, MY TEAM, MY TEAMMATES HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AND ALL, ALL THE ABOVE, INCLUDING, INCLUDING YOU GUYS.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU GUYS ARE MY TEAMMATES TOO.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO OUR, UH, OCTOBER THE 27TH.
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MEETING.