* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Planning Commission on October 27, 2025.] [00:00:05] MR. BERRYMAN, ROB. PRESENT. PRESENT. PRESENT. . MS. G PRESENT? . HERE OBJECTING. PRESENT. PIERCE. PRESENT. AND MR. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME WE'LL ENTERTAIN, UM, THE ADOPTION OF THE MEETING AGENDA. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE AGENDA, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME. SO MOVED. SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED. AND SECOND THAT THE, UH, MEETING AGENDA BE ADOPTED AS WRITTEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION IS CARRIED. THE MEETING AGENDA IS ADOPTED. NEXT, UH, NUMBER FOUR, CONSENT ITEMS. DISPOSITION OF MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER THE 22ND, 2025. THERE ARE IN YOUR PACKET. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES THAT NEED TO BE STATED AT THIS TIME? MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS FOR THE, UM, SEPTEMBER 22ND. 2025 MEANS I, UH, OFFER APPROVAL. SECOND. IT'S BEEN PROBABLY MOVED IN SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2025 MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. HAVE IT. THE MOTION IS CARRIED. THE MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2025 ARE ADOPTED AS PRESENTED. UM, ALL BUSINESS. MR. WADE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING LISTED ON THE AGENDA, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. NEW BUSINESS ROUTE 31 CORRIDOR OPPORTUNITIES REPORT DRAFT. MR. WADE. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. YES, SIR. IN, IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, YOU DO HAVE, IN ADDITION TO A DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU DO HAVE WITH YOU A SEPARATE ROUTE 31 CORRIDOR OPPORTUNITIES PLAN. UM, THIS WAS PRESENTED WITH, UH, UM, ASSISTANCE AT OUR, UM, AT OUR, UH, VIRGINIA A PA, UM, MEETING, UH, AS, AS A ASSISTANCE TO SURY COUNTY. UM, THEY HAD A, A PRIVATE FIRM AT EPR PC. THEIR, OUR PLANNING FIRM. THEY PROVIDED ASSISTANCE WITH US WHERE THEY, AND WE ALSO HAD SOME PROFESSIONAL PLANNING TO HELP US WITH, WITH THAT. WE DID HAVE, UM, SUPPORT SOME INPUT FROM, UM, TWO OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, OUR, OUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, MR. UH, DR. WOODING AND, AND MR. HARDY TO ASSIST US AND PROVIDED SOME INPUT, UM, AND INTO, UH, INTO THE REPORT AND SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE WITH, WITH INPUT FROM PLANNERS, UM, FROM OTHER LOCALITIES, AS WELL AS INPUT FROM STAFF AND FROM, FROM, UH, SOME OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. SO WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS AS A RESULT OF, OF THAT, UM, IT IS A DRAFT FORMAT. THEY HAVEN'T, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY PICTURES OR ANYTHING IN THERE, IN THERE JUST YET. SO THIS, WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS A DRAFT VERSION OF THAT. UM, WE DID USE SOME OF THE INFORMATION FROM THAT TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO HAVE THAT FOR YOU TO LOOK AT SEPARATELY THAN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY, YOU CAN SEPARATE THE DIFFERENCES, WHAT WAS IN THE PLAN VERSUS WHAT WAS COMING OUTTA THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THANK YOU, MR. WADE. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE ITEM MR. WADE PRESENTED? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN IT. YES, MS. CHIEF ON, UM, PAGE, ON PAGE TWO DOWN THE, THE LAST, UH, TEXT BULLET IN THE CHART ON THE, UM, LEFT TALKS ABOUT UNDER YOU SITES. UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT THAT YOU HAD IN MIND? I'M JUST CURIOUS. WHICH, WHICH ONE? IT SAYS, UM, TALKS ABOUT PROMOTE THE QUARTERS, ASSETS IN THE NEAR TERM SIGNAGE, DIRECTING, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, SITES LIKE BACON'S CASTLE CHIP, OAK STATE PARK, DOWNTOWN SURREY, TEMPORARY POPUPS AND UNDERUSED SITES. WHAT'S UNDERUSED SITES STILL TRYING TO FOLLOW? I'M STILL TRYING TO FOLLOW WITH YOU. OKAY. DOWN IN THAT LAST BLOCK. OKAY. TEMPORARY POP VINCENT UNDER AND UNDERUSED SITES? YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF SITES THAT ARE UNDERUSED IN, IN TOWN OF SURREY. IF YOU DRIVE, [00:05:01] IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH SURREY, THERE'S SITES THAT ARE, ARE, ARE LEFT VACANT, ABANDONED BUILDINGS. OH, OKAY. WHAT BUILDING? ABOUT? ABOUT? YES MA'AM. OH, OKAY. YEAH. THIS, THIS, THIS SITE WAS 31. SO IT WENT THROUGH, UH, RIN TO SURREY TO TOWN OF SURREY TO BACK TO SURROGATE. SO IT WAS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE CORRIDOR OH, LIKE UNDER USED STORE STORES THAT AREN'T OPEN ANYMORE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OH YES. ALL, ALL, ALL THOSE IN BETWEEN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, IF NOT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANY COMMENTS. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME. ADDRESS. ADDRESS. OKAY. JUST STATE YOUR NAME. UH, TIM CALHOUN. UM, STORY DISTRICT? YES SIR. LOOKING BRIEFLY AT YOUR HANDOUT THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, I SEE THAT IT REFERENCES IN SOME PORTIONS A SEPARATE BIKE PATH LANE OTHER THAN RUNNING PARALLEL TO ROUTE 31. AND THEN I ALSO SEE THAT IT'S MENTIONED WIDENING OF 31 FOR POTENTIAL USE OF A, A SEPARATE, UH, UH, I'M SORRY, UH, WIDENING UP 31 4 BY, UH, PEDESTRIAN LANE LIVING ON OFF OF 31 AT HAN A HUNDRED. WE SEE THAT THE CARS EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT QUITE OFTEN TO TRY TO MAKE THE FERRY OR GET OFF THE FERRY EITHER OR. AND THE TRAFFIC IS, UM, SPEED LIMIT IS 55. MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN 70, 80 MILES AN HOUR PASSING CARS EVEN ON DOUBLE LANES. I JUST WANT TO ASK THE COMM THE BOARD PLEASE IF TO TELL ME IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE PATH FOR PEDESTRIAN OR BIKE OR ARE YOU WHINING 31 FOR THE, UM, FOR THE BIKE OR PEDESTRIAN? BECAUSE IF YOU WIDEN 31, I DON'T CARE HOW WIDE YOU WIND IT, IT OPENS UP TO MY PERSONAL OPINION, INDY 500, YOU GOT MORE LANE, MORE SPACE TO SPEED AND, AND PASS CARS, TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WOULD PREFER PERSONALLY, 'CAUSE I WAS ON A GROUP OF FOLKS WHO PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO TRIED TO GET THAT PATH LANE. UM, WAS IT MAIN MAINE TO FLORIDA? UH, I THINK IT WAS MM-HMM . AND WE, AT THAT TIME, WE WANTED AND REQUESTED THAT A SEPARATE LANE BE OFF THE ROAD A A DETACHED FROM ROUTE 31. SO CAN YOU ALL TELL ME IF IT'S GOING TO BE WIDENING OR DO YOU HAVE A DECISION YET OR A SEPARATE LANE OFF OF 31? I'LL, I'LL ASK MR. WADE TO, TO COME. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT QUICKLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. MS. COWELL. SO I, I KIND OF ENTERTAIN THAT ONE. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WANTED TO HAVE TO EXPAND THE WATER AND STILL HAVE BICYCLE, I GUESS, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UM, ACCOMMODATIONS. THEY WANTED TO HAVE A SEPARATE, I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITIES, THEY WANT TO HAVE SEPARATE BIKE LANES. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO THE FACT IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN, YOU, YOU, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE CAPITOL TRAIL, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SHARE ROUTE FIVE, HAVE YOUR CHI YOUR CHILDREN GO DOWN ROUTE FIVE. THE SAME WOULD BE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE FERRY. UM, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL SAY IF I WANT MY FAMILY TO COME UP HERE, I PREFER THEM ON A SEPARATE BIKE PATH VERSUS THE LANE. YEAH. EXIT IN THE LANE BECAUSE, AND, AND AS A PLANNER'S PERSPECTIVE, EXPANDING LANES TO DO THAT, IT, IT, IT DOES BECOME LESS SAFE FOR THOSE BIKE BICYCLE PEOPLE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT, PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL NOW YOU OPEN THE LANES UP EVEN MORE. I CAN GO FASTER. RIGHT. SO IT IT, IT DOES LEAD TO THAT. SO I THINK VDOT AND PLANTERS, SOME, WE LIKE TO ALIGN EACH, WE ALL ALIGN WITH EACH OTHER, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS OF HOW TO MAKE TRANSPORTATION BETTER. RIGHT. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. WAIT, COULD I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? YES. I'M SORRY. I FOUND MY NOTE. UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CRASHES ON THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 31 AND 10, IS THAT, WHICH INTERSECTION IS THAT? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AROUND THIS, BUT THAT WAS, THESE WERE NOTES COMING FROM OUR, OUR CONSULTANT AS WELL. THEY, THEY CAME FROM EPR. RIGHT. BUT THAT, THOSE ARE, THEY'RE NOTED. I THINK THEY'RE ROCKY. WAS IT, WAS IT, WAS IT ROCKY? WHAT INTERSECTION IS THAT? ROCKY BOTTOM. BOTTOM. ROCKY BOTTOM. THERE WAS SOME OVER THERE. AND BASICALLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE BASIC, WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE SMART SCALE PROJECT, UM, INITIALLY THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS GOING FROM HERE, FROM THE TOWN OF SURREY INTERSECTION HERE TO THE FERRY. UM, THE SMART SCALE PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO INCORPORATE THAT WHOLE LENGTH. WHAT WE FOUND OUT AT THAT TIME PERIOD, IT WAS ONLY GONNA FUND HA HA HALF OF THAT. AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT WAS THAT THAT HALF [00:10:01] THAT THEY WOULD BE FUNDED, THAT FIRST HALF WOULD HAVE ALL THE ACCIDENTS. THE, THE FIRST HALF OF THAT, THAT SEGMENT WOULD COVER ALL THE ACCIDENTS. SO ONLY THAT'S WHERE THE ACCIDENTS WERE GONNA OCCUR WAS IN THAT FROM THE, BASICALLY FROM THE TOWN TO I THINK ABOUT ROCKY. YOU SAID ROCKY. ROCKY BOTTOM. ROCKY BOTTOM. I GET ROCKY HOCKEY AND ROCKY BOTTOM. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT ENDS OF THE, OF, OF, OF THE COUNTY. SO RIGHT ROCKY BOTTOM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE AREA IS FROM THAT, FROM THAT CENTER, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY ROUTE 10. UH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ROUTE 10 IS RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. UHHUH. . AND THEN IT'S WHEN YOU HEAD OUT TOWARDS THE VIRGINIA MEETS IT. YEAH. AND THEN IT GOES ON UP TO RICHMOND. SO I WAS, I GUESS I WAS CONFUSED. I WAS THINKING IT WAS EITHER IN TOWN OR OUT THERE TOWARDS VIRGINIA MEATS. BUT YOU'RE SAYING ROCKY BOTTOM? IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS GOING THAT WAY. OH, OKAY. YEAH. IT, IT WAS GOING THAT WAY. THAT WAS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE ACCIDENT. OKAY. BUT, BUT YOU KNOW THAT AT, I THINK THE OTHER INTERSECTION OF 31 AND, AND 10 THIS WAY. I THINK THERE WERE THOUGHTS IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC, I THINK 'CAUSE THE PUBLIC SEES A BUNCH OF ACCIDENTS HAPPENED. RIGHT. UM, RIGHT. WHEN 10 AND 31 MEET. BUT A LOT OF THOSE MAY HAPPEN WITH PEOPLE JUST NOT OBSERVING STOP SIGNS, RUNNING STOP SIGNS. SO, SO THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN THERE. RIGHT. AND THEY DID CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN THERE. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPED OR NOT. YEAH, I, I, I DON'T, I I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, BUT WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS TO SEE IF THAT'S DONE ANY, ANYTHING AS FAR AS ACCIDENTS THAT, THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE AVAILABLE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. WADE. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, MR. WADE, BEFORE YOU TAKE YOUR SEAT, I KNOW WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL. I THINK THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL THIS EVENING FROM A CITIZEN THAT STATED THAT THEY COULD NOT BE HERE, BUT I, I DID WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS READ IN THE MEETING. OKAY. I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM MS. SUSAN CILLA, UM, FROM THE CLAREMONT DISTRICT, AND SHE WANTED TO READ THESE, THESE COMMENTS HERE. UM, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE POINTING COMMISSION. AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES UPDATING THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW AREAS OF OPPORTUNITY AND LONG-TERM CONSIDERATION THAT COULD GREATLY BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. THESE POINTS FOCUS ON THE STRENGTHENING LOCAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PREPARING FOR FUTURE LAND USE TRANSITIONS, AND SUPPORTING NEW RESIDENTS WHO ARE CHOOSING TO MAKE THIS COUNTY THEIR HOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE TWO INDUSTRIAL PARKS, ONE OF WHICH REMAINS VACANT, THAT REPRESENT REAL POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH. BY PRIORITIZING EFFORTS TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES TO THESE SITES, WE CAN CREATE JOBS, EXPAND OUR TAX BASE, AND PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS. THESE AREAS ARE ALREADY WELL POSITIONED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVE AND IMPORTANT ANCHORS FOR ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION IN OUR COUNTY. ENERGY TRANSITION AND LAND REUSE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK AHEAD ABOUT THE COUNTY SOLAR FARMS. MANY OF THESE PROJECTS WILL REACH THE END OF THEIR OPERATIONAL LIFESPAN AROUND THE SAME TIME, ROUGHLY WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD. ABOUT 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WE SHOULD BEGIN PLAYING NOW FOR WHAT? FOR HOW THAT LAND WILL BE REUSED ONCE THE PANELS ARE DECOMMISSIONED, SO IT DOES NOT SIT IDLE AND CONTINUES TO PROVIDE VALUE TO THE CANOP COMMUNITY, RURAL GROWTH AND HOME SETTING. FINALLY, WE'RE SEEING MORE PEOPLE MOVE INTO THE COUNTY TO HOMESTEAD AND AB EMBRACE RURAL LIVING. THIS TREND BRINGS NEW ENERGY AND OPPORTUNITY SUPPORTING SMALL SCALE AGRICULTURE, ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. BUT IT ALSO MEANS WE NEED TO PLAN CAREFULLY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, PLAYING USE AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT TO ENSURE GROWTH HAPPENS RESPONSIBLY WHILE PRESERVING OUR RURAL CHARACTER. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT IF WE ARE NOT ALREADY INVOLVED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH TOWN IN THE EDA BE INCLUDED. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE NOT SENT NOTICES TO EVERYONE WHO LIVES ON ROUTE 31 PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION TO INCLUDE IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE IT TRAFFIC PATTERN OR USAGE DESIGNATION. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE PLAN DIRECTOR REVIEW, AND I THINK SHE MADE SOME CLARIFICATIONS EARLIER, UH, RECOMMEND THE PLAN DIRECTOR HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASSIST IN A REVIEW OF ANY NEW SUB SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS OR DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED BY THE COMPLAINING COMMISSION TO ENSURE AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT AND ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON THE PROCESS. IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO HAVE ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON A PROJECT. UH, LET'S SEE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE, FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO GUIDING THE COUNTY'S FUTURE. THOUGHTFUL PLANNING TODAY WILL HELP ENSURE THAT OUR COMMITTEE REMAINS STRONG, VIBRANT, AND SUSTAINABLE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. RESPECTFULLY, SUSAN CAVALA CLAREMONT DISTRICT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. WADE. ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMITTEE UPDATES. MR. WADE? YES, SIR. WELL, TWO OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE BEEN BUSY. OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUBCOMMITTEE IS, IS ON HIGHLIGHT TONIGHT. UM, UH, I'LL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF OF NOTES WE HAD FROM OUR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WITH OUR, UM, SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING. UM, WE, WE HAD A GOOD MEETING. WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE, UM, THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE A WD IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. I THINK WE, WHEN WE LEFT [00:15:01] THE MEETING, I THINK WE LEFT WITH, UM, SOME THINGS TO DO NOW VERSUS SOME THINGS TO DO LATER. UM, AND IF, IF THERE ARE ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL WANT TO ADD THERE ON THE SUB THAT WE'RE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, PLEASE, PLEASE ADD TO IT. UM, UH, WE, WE THOUGHT NOW TO, TO MAKE SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR ORDERS, AMENDMENTS FOR, FOR A LOT SIZE IN THE AR DISTRICT, UM, TO INCREASING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN AR DISTRICT TO 10 ACRES. UM, WHILE DOING THAT, WE ALSO MAKE THE CONSIDERATION TO INC UH, ALSO, UH, BRING FORTH A NOTE, ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT, UM, THAT WILL ALLOW FOR RESIDENCES, UM, FOR SUBDIVISIONS THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THAT FULL FIGURE ABOUT, OF MAYBE MINIMUM LOSS. THAT'S TWO TO THREE ACRES, UM, THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, BUT ALSO, UM, REQUIRE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO HAVE PROPERTY LIKE THAT TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE, UH, A LITTLE SAY SO OF HOW THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DEVELOPED. UM, ALSO, UM, THE INTRODUCTION OR, OR BEEFING UP OF OUR ORDINANCE REGARDING FAMILY DIVISIONS. AT THIS POINT, THERE'S REALLY NO INCENTIVE FOR ANYONE TO HAVE A FAMILY DIVISION IN SURREY COUNTY. UM, DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY REAL EXCEPTIONS IN IT, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS OF BRINGING SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE FAMILY DIVISION. SO THE PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY HERE IN SURREY COUNTY WITH A NEW LOT SIZE MINIMUM NOW 10 ACRES, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE, UH, SOME NEW, UM, SOME REGULATIONS THAT WILL ACTUALLY SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO, WHO DO HAVE FAMILY DIVISIONS. FOR FAMILY DIVISIONS, YOU WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A 10 ACRE MINIMUM. THEY WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER THAN THAT, PROBABLY EITHER ONE OR TWO ACRES. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS A COMMISSION OF WHAT, WHAT THAT LOSS SIZE WOULD BE, UM, IN, IN SURREY. BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS HERE THAT HAVE FAMILIES THAT MOVE HERE THAT WANT TO ACTUALLY SET SURREY AS, AS THEIR HOME OR, OR CONTINUE TO HAVE SURREY AS THEIR HOME TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES IN THE FUTURE. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'LL TALKING ABOUT WAS NOTATION, UH, NOTATIONS OR NOTIFICATIONS FOR, UM, UH, NEW SUBDIVISIONS. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, AT, AT THIS POINT, ANY LOTS, ANY SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE OVER, UH, FIVE LOTS. UM, IT WOULD NOT AT THIS TIME BE REQUIRED TO GO BEFORE ANY, ANY BODY, BUT THERE'S NO NOTIFICATION SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE IN OUR ORDINANCE NOW, UM, LOOKING TO EXPLORE IN WAYS TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT IF, IF THERE IS A PROPOSED SUBDIVISION THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE SO THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST PROVIDE THEIR INPUT OR AT LEAST KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING INSTEAD OF ONE DAY SEEING, UM, TREES AND ANOTHER DAY TREES KNOCKED DOWN. AND THEN THERE'S HOMES LESS, LESS THAN SIX MONTHS LATER. SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO HAVE THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT HAVE SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, TO HOPEFULLY, UH, BEST SEE WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN IN SURREY. UM, AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER QUESTION OR, OR HOW WE ADDRESS WATER SYSTEMS IN, IN, UH, IN SURREY. SO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS NOW. UM, OTHER, OTHER THINGS ARE FOCUSED ON, IN THE ORDINANCES, UM, UH, ARE ADDRESSING, UM, HOW SUBDIVISIONS ARE, ARE REVIEWED. I THINK THERE'S SOME, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT MS. PERKINS IN HER OFFICE WILL HAVE WITH, WITH US AND E EVENTUALLY UPDATE THE BOARD ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO ENSURE THAT THE BOARD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SOME TYPE OF INPUT TOWARDS SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS THAT COME BEFORE US. UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE LEGALITY OF THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THIS POINT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS, THE, THE STATE DID TELL US, UM, THAT THE SU THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE APPROVAL OF THE AUTHORIZATION OR APPROVAL FOR APPROVAL FOR THESE TYPES OF PLANS YET. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ISN'T IMPORTANT TO US TO, TO ENSURE. I, I THOUGHT WE, WITH REVIEWING BRADLEY MILL, THAT WAS, I, I I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT PROCESS TO AT LEAST TO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOK AT AND PROVIDE SOME GOOD INPUT FOR A PROJECT AND IT MADE ULTIMATELY THE APPLICATION BETTER. UM, SO I I, I WOULD SAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WE, WE CAN WORK THAT OUT LEGALLY. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT THERE, THERE ARE LARGELY THREE THINGS OF MAKING SURE WE WERE UP TO DATE WITH OUR, OUR CODE. UM, IT WAS HOUSE BILL 26 60, UM, THAT HAD ALL THE DIFFERENT CHANGES IN IT THAT MADE THAT, UH, MADE THOSE CHANGES IN JULY. UM, SO THAT WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE TO READ THROUGH THAT, UM, AND, AND MAKE AND IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES THAT WERE, WERE MADE THEN. AND ALSO LOOK THROUGH CHANGES THAT MAY HAVE MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED A YEAR, UM, BEFORE THAT. SO, UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, SOME WORK BEFORE FOR THE COMMISSION AND WELL AS WELL AS STAFF. BUT I, I, I, I DO SEE THAT THERE'S SOME, UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED. ALRIGHT. ANY, ANY, ANY ELSE WANTED TO ADD ON TO THAT? ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON ANY OF THE SUBDIVISION [00:20:01] COMMITTEES OR ANY COMMITTEE? JUST ONE THING TO CLARIFY, I THOUGHT REAL GOOD THING SPEAKING, I'M SORRY. REAL GOOD THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETING WAS THE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS BECAUSE WE WERE JUST TALKING BEFORE THE MEETING ABOUT KEEPING YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND IF YOU HAVE A PIECE OF LAND AND YOU'RE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE AN ACRE OFF OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR A, YOU KNOW, A YOUNG FAMILY THAT'S PART OF YOUR FAMILY TO STAY IN THE COUNTY, THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S GOOD. YOU KNOW, SINCE WE, EVERYTHING WE READ ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE LACKING IN BEING ABLE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN CUT IT OFF. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WITH THE, UM, LOT SIZE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10 ACRES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE 10 ACRES, YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE FARM, YOU CAN HAVE A HORSE, YOU CAN DO SOME AGRICULTURAL, AND THERE ARE BENEFITS THAT COME IN THE AR DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ZONED AR. BUT IF YOU GO WITH 10 OR 15 TWO ACRE LOTS, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME, UH, ADVANTAGES OF SOMEONE IN AN AR YOU, YOU CAN'T BE OUT THERE SHOOTING, YOU KNOW, OR, OR HAVING NOT KNOW LIVESTOCK, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STUFF THAT WOULD BE BY RIGHT IN THE AR. BUT IF WE DID WHAT I THINK WHAT YOU SUGGESTED AND DO A 10 ACRE LOT, THEN IF IT GOES, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE IT TO R ONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AR ANYMORE, IT'S, IT'S RESIDENTIAL. AND, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE WOULD HAVE SOME, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WOULD HAVE SOME SAY SO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MANY LOTS AND IS THIS TOO SMALL? IS IT A GOOD FIT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR WHERE IT GOES AND SO FORTH. SO ANYWAY, I THOUGHT THOSE WERE GOOD. TWO GOOD THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE, I'LL JUST, I, I'LL JUST SAY, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITHIN OUR, WHEN OUR, OUR TEAM WAS, UM, A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE AR DISTRICT, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THESE SMALLER LOT SIZES THAT ARE LIKE DEVELOPED LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN THEIR SUBDIVISIONS. THEY, THEY END UP PUTTING DE RESTRICTIONS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO REALLY ENFORCE IT. AND TYPICALLY THE BEST WAY TO ENFORCE IT WOULD BE FOR THE COUNTY TO ENFORCE IT. BUT WE DON'T, THE COUNTY DOES NOT ENFORCE DEED RESTRICTIONS. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE, IF THE DEED RESTRICTION SAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OR WE, WE DON'T ALLOW MOBILE HOMES OR MANUFACTURED HOMES, WE ONLY GO BY WHAT'S IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OR THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, IF YOU, IF YOU REASON ON A PROPERTY AND PUT CONDITIONS ON IT, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THOSE CONDITIONS WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE'S ANOTHER, IT IS ANOTHER WAY FOR THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY INTENDED TO BE PLACED THERE. SO THIS IS, IS, I, I DO SEE THAT AS A, AS A, AS A ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS. IF NO MORE, MR. WADE, DO YOU HAVE ANY PC SECRETARY COMMUNICATIONS? I HATE TO KEEP GOING TO YOU, BUT, UH, EVERYTHING INVOLVES YOU ON THE, ON THE AGENDA. YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE, WE, WE, WE DO HAVE THIS, UH, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE, THESE TWO SUBCOMMITTEES. UM, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ON, I THINK WE'RE ON PACE. I THINK FOR, I'LL JUST ADD ON TO, UM, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS. I THINK IN, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS WE'LL HAVE A, A SCHEDULE IN MIND OF, OF WHERE AND WHERE WE SHOULD BE GOING AS FAR AS COMING BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE TO THE BOARD, UM, IN, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. I, I DO IMAGINE THIS WHOLE PROCESS WOULD TAKE, I IMAGINE EVERYTHING PROBABLY BY THE MIDDLE, MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR, BUT I THINK WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME THINGS IMMEDIATE, IMMEDIATE, SOME IMMEDIATE THINGS NOW VERSUS TAKING I GUESS THE WHOLE SIX MONTHS OR SO FOR EVERYTHING. SO THERE, THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN MAYBE DO NOW VERSUS SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO LATER. BUT I THINK, UM, WHAT I THINK WHAT THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO IS TO COME UP WITH A SCHEDULE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR NOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. WELL MOVING ON TO ITEM 10, THE WORK SESSION. YES SIR. UM, TONIGHT WE DO HAVE OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS HERE, OUR SUMMIT DESIGNING ENGINEERING, UH, SERVICES THAT THEY'RE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE REALIZES THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, THESE ARE ARE SMALL DATA UPDATES, UM, AND WE DO HAVE SOME FUTURE LAND USE MAP UPDATES. BUT MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR SCOPE OF WORK WAS TO DO, UM, DATA UPDATES. UM, AGAIN, WHEN, WHEN WE SAW SOME OF THESE, THE INFORMATION FALL BEHIND TYPICALLY A FI IN THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SOME OF INFORMATION DOES FALL BEHIND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED THAT HR PDC GATHERED. SOME OF THE INFORMATION WAS PRIOR TO 2020. SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN 2017 2018 INFORMATION THAT MAY HAVE INCLUDED IN THAT 2020, UH, THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020. SO THIS IS A, A INFORMATION UPDATE. UM, AND SO, UH, SUMMIT GATHERED A LOT OF INFORMATION, UM, TO UPDATE THE PLAN. UM, SO IT DOES NOT REFLECT A LOT OF, A LOT OF DIFFERENT TEXT CHANGES. SO YOU, IF YOU SEE INFORMATION THAT'S THERE, THAT [00:25:01] WAS INFORMATION THAT, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 20 2020. UM, SO, UM, IF, IF IT WAS NOT UPDATED, AND THAT'S PROBABLY 'CAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THEM TO, TO DO THAT. UM, BUT IF, IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU FEEL AS THOUGH MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT, THEN WE CAN, STAFF CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, SOME THINGS THAT TO SEE IF, IF DO, DO WE STILL BELIEVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT THE POLICY, THAT THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WITHIN IN OURSELVES THAT THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED. SO, UM, I DO HAVE, WITH WITH US MS AND DARBY, UH, SHE'S GONNA BE PRESENTING WITH US TONIGHT AND WE COULD, WE COULD GO AT SOME POINT. I THINK MS. CHI, YOU DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS UP HERE. WE CAN GO OVER THOSE AFTER THE PRESENTATION IF, IF IT, UM, A AF AFTER PRESENTATION TODAY. OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT, LET'S START. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING. THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD GREETING AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, MY NAME'S ANN DARBY. I'M THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT CHAIR FOR SUMMIT DESIGN AND, EXCUSE ME, PLANNING DEPARTMENT MANAGER FOR SUMMIT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. UM, AGAIN, AS MR. WADE SAID, THIS IS A LIMITED UPDATE, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN OVER AN OVERVIEW OF IT. UM, AS YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS AND HOW YOU USE IT. I'M GONNA SKIM THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW THIS. UM, WHY WE'RE UPDATING, AS MR. WADE SAID, THE DATA GENERALLY IS, IS, UM, OUT OF DATE AS YOU KNOW, COVID HAPPENED, CHANGED A LOT OF THE WAY THAT WE LIVE. AND, UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE DATA THAT'S, THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST GO OVER CHANGES IN NEXT STEPS. BUT AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GENERALLY A 20 YEAR TIME HORIZON GUIDING DOCUMENT. IT COVER COVERS, UM, COMMUNITY VISION AND THEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TOPICAL SECTIONS. SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, URBAN DESIGN, PUBLIC FACILITIES, HOUSING PARKS, AND OPEN SPACE, UM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE AS ONE OF A NUMBER OF ICONS WHERE THE FACT IS THAT FUTURE LAND USE IS REALLY ONE OF THE MOST, UM, IMPORTANT ESSENTIAL PARTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, IT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. THE CODE OF VIRGINIA ASKS THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS, A PLANNING, COMMISSION, REVIEWS AND ADDRESSES A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DETERMINES UPDATES THAT THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. SO IN THIS CASE, THIS IS NOT AN, AN OVERHAUL. WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH COMMUNITY VISIONING. UM, AND, BUT WE ARE UPDATING THE DATA AND THEN MAKING SOME FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES THAT ARE, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST THE FACILITATORS OF THIS. SO, UM, AS MR. WADE SAID, THE ROUTE 31 CORRIDOR OPPORTUNITIES REPORT, WHICH WAS CREATED BY IT ACTUALLY, IF I MAY OFFER A, A SMALL CORRECTION, IT'S A PART OF THE VIRGINIA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION ANNUAL CONFERENCE EVERY YEAR. THEY, AND IT WAS, YOU'RE RIGHT, EPR WAS INVOLVED IN TERMS OF THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UM, BUT IT IS A, IT IS A, UH, PRO BONO ONE DAY PLANNING ACTIVITY. PEOPLE AT THIS, UH, POINT, WE HAD THE CONFERENCE IN NORFOLK AND WE, UH, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE NOT, I DIDN'T COME, BUT, UH, CAME OVER FROM THE CONFERENCE TO LOOK AT AN AREA, GIVE ADVICE, AND IT'S JUST SORT OF A, UM, GENERALLY A, A FREE THAT WE CAN GET ADVICE FROM PLANNERS ALL ACROSS THE STATE. UM, THAT THE SOLAR AMENDMENT, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE ACTUALLY HELPED, Y'ALL DID DO THAT IN 2023. AND THAT WAS THE RESULT OF SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INPUT. IT, UH, WAS ADOPTED AS YOU KNOW, BY YOURSELVES AND BY THE, UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THAT. AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST FIGURING OUT HOW TO INTEGRATE THAT IN, UH, TO THE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST BEEN ITS OWN. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEBSITE IT SAYS 2019 OR 2020 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN SOLAR AMENDMENT AND THIS PUTS THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TO THE DOCUMENT AND THEN THE FUTURE LAND USE. UM, BUT, BUT ALL THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S DATA, THERE ARE SENTENCES THAT ARE RELIANT ON DATA. THERE ARE CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND GRAPHICS. UM, MOST OF THAT IS CENSUS DATA, CERTAINLY NOT ALL OF IT. SOME OF IT'S POPULATION PROJECTIONS FROM UVA'S, WELDON COOPER CENTER. SO ALL OF THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH AND UPDATED THE NUMBERS. SO A LOT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, UM, OBJECTIVE, EXCUSE ME. IT'S NOT SUBJECTIVE. THERE'S NO OPINIONS INVOLVED. IT'S NOT BASED NECESSARILY ON COMMUNITY VISIONING. IT'S JUST SAYING IT'S GOOD TO BE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON ACCURATE AS UP-TO-DATE DATA AS POSSIBLE. SO POPULATION, MEDIAN AGE, HOUSING UNITS, ALL THAT STUFF, THAT SOUNDS REALLY BORING WHEN YOU PUT IT IN A CHART IN A COMP PLAN. BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTANDING, UM, WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS OR YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS, A PLANNING DIRECTOR MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S LIVING IN YOUR, IN THE COUNTY. SO UPDATED, UH, POPULATION AGE, POVERTY RATE, EMPLOYMENT, ALL OF THESE, THESE ARE JUST, THIS IS JUST AN EXCERPT OF SOME OF THE MANY DATA POINTS AND YOU'VE ALL HAD, UH, ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENT AND HAVE BEEN ABLE [00:30:01] TO REVIEW THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS ISN'T REALLY NECESSARILY A CHANGE, BUT IT LOOKS REALLY DIFFERENT. THE EXISTING LAND USE, AS YOU ALL AGAIN KNOW VERY WELL, IS WE USE EXISTING LAND USE AS IN WHAT'S ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO THEN MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO IN THE FUTURE. SO START FROM WHERE YOU ARE. UM, THE 2019 PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE HAMPTON ROADS PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION RELIED ON SOME ASSUMPTIONS AND IT USED ZONING DATA TO CREATE THE EXISTING LAND USE MAP. SO FOR ANYONE WHO KNOWS, IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, LIVE ON A PIECE OF RURAL PROPERTY, UM, THAT, ET CETERA, SO THIS NEW EXISTING LAND USE MAP USES ASSESSORS, COUNTY ASSESSOR DATA, IT'S MUCH MORE ACCURATE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S, UH, THAT IT'S SHOWS MORE DETAIL. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS JUST GIVES THE COUNTY A BETTER JUMPING OFF POINT KNOWING WHAT'S REALLY HERE NOW, SO THAT IT'S A, A MORE ACCURATE DEPICTION OF WHAT, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE UPDATE TO THE EXISTING LAND USE MAP? AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A MORE ACCURATE WAY OF DEPICTING WHAT USES ARE ON THE GROUND. NOW. IS THIS MAP ONE IN HERE THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING UP HERE THAT SAYS COMPREHENSION PLAN UPDATE 2025? IT LOOKS LIKE IT FROMWHERE I MAP, UM, UM, THIS EMERGING TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY, THANK YOU. IT'S, I'M CONFUSED ON WHERE THE SOLAR PROJECTS FIT. ARE THEY IN IT OR OUT OF THAT? THAT WAS A TOPIC OF A LOT OF CONSIDERATION AND, AND THE DECISION WAS TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT WITH A FUTURE LAND USE MAP OVERLAY. UM, AND SO IT WAS, THIS IS SOME CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, BUT IT'S NOT THE FUTURE. THE SOLAR PROJECTS ARE NOT REFLECTED RIGHT HERE ON THE, THE SAME LAND USE. THEY'RE JUST SHOWN AS EXISTING AGRICULTURAL. RIGHT. AND SO THERE IS CONSIDERATION TO SOLAR PROJECTS AND HOW TO TREAT THEM IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? NOPE, THIS IS THE EXISTING LAND USE MAP. OH, THIS IS THE EXISTING, YEAH. IS THE FUTURE ONE IN HERE? YES. WHERE IS IT? IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE. SO IS THAT THIS ONE? IT'S THE ONE IS GREEN, THE NEXT PAGE OF THE, IN THE BOOK ATTENTION. SHE'S GONNA GET TO IT IF, YEAH, LET HER GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. AND SHE SAID THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS, SO YEP. YOU LET HER PRESENT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ALSO LOOKS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, AND THAT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER SLIDES THAT I'LL, I'LL SHOW THE DIFFERENCES, BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE GRAY TO GREEN DIFFERENCE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY AREA IS, AND THE RESIDENTIAL INVESTMENT AREA ARE BOTH SLIGHTLY LARGER. AGAIN, I'M GONNA, THERE'S ANOTHER SLIDE WHERE I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THESE. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO TWO MIXED USE NODES, AND I'LL GO INTO WHAT MIXED USE NODE MEANS MEANS TO. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, THE TWO MAJOR DIFFERENCES. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE ALSO THAT THE, UM, GREEN ENERGY PARTNERS PROJECT ON HOG ISLAND IS ALSO NOTED AS AN EMPLOYMENT AREA HERE IN THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WAS NOT IN THE PAST MAP. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA STAND OUT. THAT BLUE BLOB ON HOG ISLAND IS, IS BIGGER. SO FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MIXED USE AREAS, THERE ARE TWO. CAN YOU SEE IF I USE THE MOUSE? NO. OKAY. SO, UH, THERE IS A BACON'S CASTLE AREA MIXED USE NODE. IT'S A PRETTY SMALL PURPLE DOT. AND THE IDEA IS AS A FUTURE LAND USE THAT THIS WOULD EVENTUALLY BE AN AREA THAT WOULD BE REDEVELOPED SO THAT THERE WOULD BE A MIX OF USES THERE, INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, POSSIBLY OFFICE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DEMAND IS, UM, IN, IN A WAY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A TOWN OR IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE THOMAS AREA THAT AREA GEN GENERALLY. IMAGINE A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD WALK AND GO AND VISIT STORES AND [00:35:01] ALSO THERE WOULD BE HOMES, ET CETERA. THE OTHER , THE OTHER MIXED USE NODE, AND AGAIN THAT CAME UP DURING THE ROUTE 31 CORRIDOR STUDY IS AROUND, UH, GRAYS CREEK. SO THAT IDEA, AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS OUR, UH, SORT OF A MIXED USE NODE WITH THE MARINA AND RESTAURANT, A HOTEL AND, UM, ROOMS FOR RENT THERE, BUT THERE COULD BE MORE ITEM, UH, MORE THERE, MORE MIX OF USES, MORE ACTIVITY. UM, SO THOSE TWO THINGS ARE, ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES IN THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM THE PREVIOUS FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND AGAIN, TRYING TO, UM, FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN A FULL ON STARTING OVER A COMP PLAN WITH VISIONING AND THEN DOING AN UPDATE. THIS IS, UM, TRYING TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE BETWEEN BEING RESPONSIVE TO THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, UM, WHILE STILL NOT DOING AN, UH, A FULL COMP PLAN UPDATE. WE WERE VERY CLEAR DURING THE SCOPING PROCESS THAT IF YOU, IF YOU JUST DO A DATA UPDATE, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO A LOT OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. BUT IF YOU ARE CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE A FUTURE, UH, YOU NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THERE'S A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONDAY. AND SO, AND THERE OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THESE COMMENTS, THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS. SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IT, THERE NEEDS TO BE, AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR OBVIOUSLY PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS, BUT PUBLIC COMMENTS AND PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND CHANGE, UH, TO THE DOCUMENT. UH, OKAY, SO ALSO IF YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALMOST A GREEN NET LIKE AREA, AND THIS WAS THE RESULT OF A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS FUTURE LAND USE FOR EXISTING SOLAR PROJECTS. BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE, IT'S AN IMPACTFUL LAND USE TO SOME EXTENT, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THEORY A TEMPORARY LAND USE. SO INSTEAD OF MARKING THEM, AND AS YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN, THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO HAVE IT BE A SOLAR PROJECT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S NOT THE COUNTY SAYING THAT THIS IS HERE TO, FOR GOING TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL USE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN THAT'S, THAT OPENS THE DOOR TO, OKAY, THE NEXT INDUSTRIAL USE IS, YOU NAME IT, WHATEVER IMPACTFUL INDUSTRIAL PROJECT. AND SO THIS IS A MEDIUM OF, OF ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING FROM EXISTING AND, AND THIS IS MOVING TO WHAT THIS MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THIS IS GONNA BE AN INDUSTRIAL SOLAR PROJECT. BUT AFTER THAT, AFTER THE DECOMMISSIONING, AFTER THE LAND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, SOMEONE COULD REINVEST, THERE COULD BE NEW PANELS ON THE SAME SITE, BUT IT ALSO COULD REVERT TO AN AGRICULTURAL USE OR A FOREST USE. UM, AND SO THAT IS THE WAY THAT WE HAVE CREATED IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS TO ADDRESS AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL SKILL SOLAR ON A FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO CAN DO YOU MIND MM-HMM . DID THAT. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT NOW? WELL, YEAH, I SEE IT ON THE MAP NOW. SO WHAT HA SO THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES HA WAS, WAS, UH, REPRESENTED ON THE OTHER MAP THERE. IT'S ON THIS ONE TOO, IN ARE THEY STILL THERE IN THE BLUE? STILL IN THE BLUE. THEY'RE IN THE BLUE NOW. SO IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT HOG ISLAND ON THIS MAP, IF YOU LOOK AT HOG ISLAND HERE, YES, THERE'S THE AS, YES, IT'S LISTED AS EMPLOYMENT. AND IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD MAP, IT WAS JUST THE NUCLEAR FACILITY LISTED AS AN EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT. SO THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP ANTICIPATING THE GREEN ENERGY PARTNERS PROJECT HAS ALSO LABELED. SO NOW THE BLUE BLOB JUST GOT TWICE AS BIG. SO IT'S, IT'S THE EXISTING NUCLEAR FACILITY, WHICH DOES, WHICH IS, UH, I THINK WE CAN SAFELY COUNT THAT IT'S GONNA BE THERE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. YES. AND THEN, AND THEN THE GEP SITE, WHICH IS THE, THE BLUE BLOB JUST DOUBLED IN SIZE. IT'S ENCLOSED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION AREA. YEP. SO NOW THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY, WHERE IS THAT NOW ON THIS NEW MAP? THAT IS NOT A FUTURE, THAT'S A ZONING CATEGORY, RIGHT? THAT'S A ZONING CATEGORY, NOT A, SO, SO THERE ARE THREE, THERE ARE THREE MAJOR MAPS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN ANY PLANNING PROCESS OR ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THERE'S EXISTING LAND USE SIMPLY WHAT IS ON THE GROUND WHEREVER YOU LIVE IT. I DON'T, I REALIZE I I THINK YOU LIVE ON A FARM, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AN AGRICULTURAL USE DEPENDING ON [00:40:01] THE SIZE, BUT THAT'S JUST HOW THE LAND IS BEING USED NOW. AND THEN THE VISION IS REFLECTED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY, HOW DOES THE COUNTY WANT THE LAND TO BE USED IN THE FUTURE? AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ZONING MAP, WHICH IS THE, WHAT ARE THE LEGAL PARAMETERS THAT ARE GONNA HELP THAT. I, I'VE DESCRIBED IT MANY TIMES AS, UM, IF YOUR VISION IS A, AS A, A SMILE WITH STRAIGHT TEETH, THEN THE ZONING IS YOUR BRACES. THE ZONING IS NOT, IS IS NOT ANYTHING. BUT AS YOUR TEETH GROW, IT'S NOT YOUR TEETH, IT'S NOT THE GROWTH, IT'S THEN THAT'S THE SHAPE THAT IT CAN GROW INTO. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY UHHUH IS A ZONING, IT IS A LEGAL, UH, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN ON THE LAND. IT'S NEITHER WHAT THE LAND LOOKS LIKE NOW OR I MEAN NOW WE'RE CONFLATING AN ISSUE, RIGHT? BUT WE HOPE THAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT LEGALLY IT'S NOT THE SAME. OKAY. SO WAS THERE ANOTHER MAP THAT SHOW, BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS IS CALLED THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY. SO IS THERE A DIFFERENT OVERLAY MAP THAN THIS ONE IS? WHICH MAP ARE, THERE'S NO HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY ON THIS MAP. I MEAN, I THINK THE OLD MAP HAD IT OBJECTION, AND SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW ARE, ARE WE STILL HAVING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY OR IS IT GOING AWAY? SO, OKAY, SO THE EXISTING EXISTING LAND USE MAP HAS AGRICULTURAL FOREST, COMMERCIAL CONSERVATION, RECREATION, INDUSTRIAL, PUBLIC OR SEMI-PUBLIC MOBILE HOME MULTIFAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL. THE EXISTING CAN I, MY EYES ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH. YEAH. OKAY. WELL MAYBE IT'S JUST AN OUTDATED SOMETHING THAT WAS IN OUR BOOK. UM, WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON HOLDING? WELL, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PAGE NUMBER, I'M AFRAID. IT'S GOT MAP ONE ON THE, SO THIS IS EXISTING LAND USE. OKAY. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THINGS. I JUST SAW THAT THIS IS THE MOST BASIC THING AND, AND, AND IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, I'LL TELL YOU THAT ANYBODY I INTERVIEW TO HIRE SHOULD BE A PLANNER ON MY TEAM. I ASK THEM THESE BASIC QUESTIONS. MANY WITHIN MASTER CANNOT ANSWER THIS. SO DO NOT FEEL BAD. , WE COULD JUST FIGURE IT OUT. NO, NO. SO, SO I'M LOOKING HERE TOO. I GOT THIS RIGHT. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP, RIGHT? AND THAT IS WHERE OVERLAND, OKAY. OKAY. SO IF YOU SEE THE ZONING, OH, IS THIS BEING RECORDED? IS THAT WHY OKAY, SORRY. UM, YEAH, SO THE ZONING MAP HAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY. OKAY. MAYBE IT'S A WORD OVERLAY THAT'S THROWING ME OFF, BUT THAT'S OKAY. SO NO, I CAN GET IT, I CAN GET INTO THIS IF YOU WANT ME TO. THAT'S OKAY. SO AN OVERLAY IS A ZONING, AND WE DID CONFUSE IT A LITTLE BIT BY PUTTING AN OVERLAY ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH IS UNUSUAL. AND IT WAS THE, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT GENERALLY AN OVERLAY DISTRICT IS A ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY. AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THE STRONGEST WAY THAT YOU CAN PROTECT EXISTING BUILDINGS RIGHT, IS WITH A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THAT IS ENABLED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO IT, BUT, OKAY. YEP, THAT SOUNDS, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFY. GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK, DO YOU, YOU WANT YES, YES. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION. BUT, UM, WHEN WE PICKED THE, UM, THE OVERLAY MODEL FOR THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF THE SOLAR, UH, WE PLACED IT OVER TOP OF THE RURAL PRESERVATION, UH, FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY JUST BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOLAR, BUT UM, IN THE FUTURE WE WANT TO SEE RURAL PRESERVATION ON THESE SOLAR SITES. SO IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S ADHERING TO TWO DIFFERENT FRA FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AT ONCE, WHICH IS VERY CONFUSING, BUT IN A WAY IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE ADDING THIS ADDITIONAL LAYER OF PROTECTION FOR THIS PROPERTY OVER TIME. BECAUSE AS ANNE HAD MENTIONED, UH, THE PREVIOUS WAY OF DOING THIS THAT YOU ALL HAD WAS THAT IT WOULD CHANGE OVER TO INDUSTRIAL. AND SO IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL LAND IN YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THEN THAT CAN OPEN UP THE DOORS TO INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU MIGHT NOT BE OPEN TO. SO THIS, THIS WAY YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE SOLAR HERE NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE WE DO WANT TO SEE MORE RURAL PRESERVATION. YEAH. AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE [00:45:01] Y'ALL HAVE, Y'ALL HAVE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT AND WE'VE SPOKEN TO STAFF A LOT ABOUT, UM, IS THE, IS HOW DO, HOW DOES SURREY REMAIN OPEN TO NEW USES WHILE NOT KEEPING THE DOOR OPEN TO THE NEXT NEW USES THAT WILL, THAT WILL SLIP THROUGH THAT DOOR. IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. WE TALKED A A LOT ABOUT THIS WHEN WE DID THE, UM, THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT OF, 'CAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE INITIAL, UM, PROPOSITIONS WAS WHY DON'T WE JUST REZONE THIS INDUSTRIAL? OR WHY DON'T WE JUST ADD DATA CENTERS TO THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT? WELL THAT THEN ALLOWS DATA CENTERS EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT YOU MAY INDUSTRIAL HAVE A DIFFERENT INDUSTRIAL USE THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE. SO, UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS A NUANCED WAY OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW SURREY CAN ACCEPT THE EXISTING, UH, SOLAR, FOR EXAMPLE, IN, IN THIS EXAMPLE, UM, THAT DOES HAVE POSITIVE BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY, BUT NOT LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR WHATEVER. AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NEW USES ALL THE TIME THAT WE HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT. AND SO, UM, SO VERY TREADING, CAREFULLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, AND YES, USING AN OVERLAY IN A FUTURE LAND USE MAP WAS, UM, THE SOLUTION THAT WE CAME UP WITH IN THIS CASE. MARK, ARE THERE MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. NOT AT MOMENT. YOU SURE? I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO ? YOU SURE. YOU CAN MOVE ON IF OKAY. WE'RE OKAY WITH ME . OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. OKAY. SOLAR OVERLAY. OKAY. SO AGAIN, THE ENERGY AMENDMENT, AS EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS VERY AWARE, UM, THAT WAS A 2023 PROJECT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ADOPTION, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED. AND, AND THEN AS I SAID, WE'VE JUST BROUGHT THE ENERGY. THE ONLY CHANGE HERE IN, IN THAT IS IT USED TO BE A FLOATING DOCUMENT OF ITS OWN THAT, UM, JUST MOST OBVIOUSLY ON THE WEBSITE IT WAS, HERE'S THE 2019 COMP PLAN, HERE'S THE ENERGY AMENDMENT. SO THIS JUST WEAVES IT IN. SAME THING WITH THE ROUTE 31 CORRIDOR OPPORTUNITIES REPORT. AND THEN NEXT STEP, REALLY NEXT STEP IS DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND THEN NEXT MONDAY, PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE AND CONTINUED REVIEW OF THE DRAFT AND INCORPORATION OF COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? AND I KNOW MR. WADE DID SAY, MS. CHICA, YOU DID SEND SOME, SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT HE WILL GO OVER IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME WHILE MS. ANN IS STILL AT THE PODIUM? IF NOT, I'LL ASK MR. WADE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT MS. CHEEK HAS. I'VE ALREADY BROUGHT UP. SORRY, GO. SORRY. YES, SIR. I, I SPEAK MY OWN RULES. LIKE, HEY, Y'ALL SPEAK THAT MIC. UM, KIND OF GO OVER THESE QUESTIONS IN ORDER THAT MS. CHICA SENT THEM IN IN HER EMAIL. WAS, UH, PATIENT NUMBER THREE, PLAN DEVELOPMENT SHOULD UPDATE THE 2025 AND THIS SECTION, I JUST, THOSE AREAS JUST TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE PLAN. IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE YOU DIDN'T ADD THAT WE ARE NOW UPDATING IT IN 2025 AND IS THE, THE STATEMENT YOU MADE EARLIER OR THAT AM MADE EARLIER RELEVANT HERE THAT THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT IS NOT BEING UPDATED, BUT MORE SO A DATA UPDATE YOU WANT? CORRECT. THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL TEXT THAT WE CAN PROBABLY FOR STAFF WE CAN, WE CAN ADD SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE HERE TO, TO, TO SHOW THAT THIS IS JUST A SMALL, UM, DATA, DATA UPDATE AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. RIGHT. SO MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL, I THINK IT HELPS IT MAKE IT MORE YES, MA'AM. COMPLETE, YES. OTHERWISE IT'S, THAT WAS JUST A SMALL OKAY. KNIT THAT, UM, I OKAY. CAUGHT WHEN READING IT. AND NUMBER FOUR, UH, PAGE NUMBER FOUR, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS SHOULD UPDATE TO SAME, UM, 2005 IN THIS DOCUMENT, UM, ON 25 AND LAST PARAGRAPH. OKAY. UM, NUMBER PAGE NUMBER SIX, RELATIONSHIP TO MISSOURI COUNTY ASSERTING ORDINANCE FIRST PRAYER, THE BLANK SPACES. I THINK THAT'S A, THAT IS A FORMATTING. OH, THAT, THAT SHOW UP IN FORMATTING [00:50:01] WHEN WE, WHEN WE PUT IT WAS IN A WORD DOCUMENT AND IT SOMEHOW WE PUT IT TO PDF TO PRINT IT OUT WITH, WITH SHOWING CHANGES WITH IT, IT SHOWS UP LIKE THIS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME, SOME, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE ARE SOME FORMATTING SITUATIONS THAT YOU, YOU WOULDN'T SEE UNLESS YOU HAD THE ACTUAL FINAL DOCUMENT IN, IN PLACE. OH, OKAY. I COULD, I DIDN'T KNOW IF SOME WORDS WERE MISSING OR NOT, SO THAT'S FINE. YEAH. UM, LET'S SEE. LAND USE CONDITIONS 11, I THINK, UH, I THINK MS. CHIKE MAY, MAY HAVE GONE OVER THIS CATEGORY. UH, LAND USE CONDITIONS SHOULD ENERGY TECHNOLOGY AND LAND USE BE ADDED TO THIS, TO THIS SECTION. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST DATA UPDATES. THIS IS NOT ANY TEXTUAL UPDATES IN THIS CATEGORY HERE. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY INCORPORATE ANYTHING ELSE HERE OR WE'RE WE ARE, WE ARE ADDRESSING SOLAR LATER ON IN, IN, IN THE CONFERENCES PLAN. UM, AND WE'RE SHOWING THE EMERGENT TECHNOLOGIES LATER IN THE PLAN AS WELL. UM, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE TREND WITH RESIDENTIAL USE? IT APPEARS IT'S, IT HAS INCREASED FROM THREE TO 9% THIS TRIP, HOW MANY YEARS? UM, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT IS PROBABLY SOME INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROBABLY LOOK INTO TO KINDA GIVE YOU SOME ANSWERS ON. UM, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE NUMBER I THINK THAT JUMPED OUT TO US IS WOW. FROM 3% TO 9%. SO WE COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OF, OF, OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE. RIGHT. I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU USE THE WORD ONLY AND IT ACTUALLY TRIPLED IT, SEE IT'S CONFLICTING. AND, AND ONE THING REALLY OVERALL, MY VIEW OF THIS SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT, I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, SUCCINCTLY SAYING TRENDS AND CONDITIONS IN OUR COUNTY. AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE APPROACH OF THAT. YOU'RE JUST UPDATING NUMBERS MM-HMM . AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT MAYBE WE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY WANNA SEE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY. UM, I'VE HEARD IT FROM LOTS OF PEOPLE. THIS COULD, THIS SECTION MAYBE WE DO MORE THAN JUST UPDATE THE NUMBERS. WE REALLY PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WE'RE PROUD TO PEOPLE AT THE STATE LEVEL READ, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY READ. AND, UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOTING THAT THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES IN THIS, NOT JUST SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE DOCUMENT, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. AND, AND THAT'S REALLY THE THOUGHT I HAD IN THESE QUESTIONS. HOW DO WE MAKE THIS SECTION, YOU KNOW, REALLY STAND OUT FOR OUR COUNTY? OKAY. UM, SO, OKAY, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE LAST STATEMENT MEAN? LEGISLATIVE DIRECTION? WHAT IS IT INFERRING? I I THINK IN, IN THIS CATEGORY HERE, IT SAYS ALMOST NO LAND NECESSARY IS ZONED FOR MORE THAN MORE INTENSE USE THAN THE UNDERLYING IS LAND USE. INDICATING EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE GENERALLY ALIGNMENT WITH LEGISLATIVE DIRECTION. AND I THINK ONE OF, ONE OF THE PRIME EXAMPLES I THINK WE KIND OF USE WITHIN OUR OFFICE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT QUESTION EARLIER WAS, UM, IMAGINING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS INDUSTRIAL, BUT YOU'RE USING IT AS A COW PASTURE OR SOME AGRICULTURAL FIELD. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT UNDERUSED A LOT OF UNDER UTILIZING THE LAND. SO IF, IF IT'S, IF YOU HAVE A ZONING IN PLACE THAT SAYS IT'S INDUSTRIAL, YOU'RE NOT USING IT FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A AR ZONING DESIGNATION TO IT. SO, UM, IT KIND OF ALIGNS WITH, WELL THE BOARD BASICALLY DIDN'T GO OUT AND REZONE PROPERTY AND THERE'S NOT BEING USED FOR THAT USE LIKE A, LIKE A INDUSTRIAL, UM, LIKE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND BEING USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE COW PASTURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS IN THIS CASE. UM, IT SEEMS TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT HAS CHANGED, UM, IN, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HERE. UM, REAL, LET'S SEE, NUMBER 11, NUMBER, LET'S SEE. UH, HOW IS SIR AGRICULTURAL SECTOR GROWING? ESPECIALLY SINCE JOBS ARE DECLINING? THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT WE ASKED OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS AND, AND WILL YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION OF, OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE? 'CAUSE I, I THINK WHAT YOU SEE NOW IN HERE IT SAYS, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT THE NUMBER OF JOBS DECREASED FROM, FROM 150 TO 88. WILL YOU WANT TO KIND OF SHARE WHAT HAPPENED THERE? SURE. YEAH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A, A GOOD QUESTION AND UH, AND IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING TO RESEARCH. UM, SO, UH, WHEN WE LOOKED INTO, OR WHEN I LOOKED INTO THAT, UM, THE VALUE OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS HAS BEEN INCREASING, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE LATEST, UH, USDA AG CENSUS, UH, [00:55:01] FROM 2022. UM, SO SURY COUNTY, UH, SAW $60 MILLION IN SALES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS, WHICH WAS LIKE A TRIPLING FROM 2017. UM, SO THE VALUE OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS IS INCREASING, BUT THE NUMBER OF JOBS IS DECREASING. AND SO I LOOKED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, UM, EXACTLY WHY THAT IS. AND IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, CASH CROPS BEING GROWN LIKE, UH, CORN AND SOYBEANS. AND SO, UH, WITH THOSE TYPES OF CASH CROPS, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, EFFICIENCIES WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, LABOR. AND SO THERE'S LESS REQUIREMENT FOR JOBS, BUT THERE'S MORE AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION INVOLVED. WOULD IT ALSO BE THE AUTOMATION OF THE FARMING EQUIPMENT NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY USE LESS MANUAL LABOR ALSO. YES, EXACTLY. SO I MEAN, LIKE, SO COULD IT HELP JUST TO KIND OF ADD A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR FINDINGS JUST TO MAKE THAT SENTENCE A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE ? SURE, YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. UM, OKAY. SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK IN THAT, IN THAT SAME, LEMME SEE THAT THIRD AND FOURTH BULLET POINTS. UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE IN, IN A, IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT, UH, ARE THESE JOBS FILLED WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY? I, I, THERE'S THOSE ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AT, AT THIS, AT THIS POINT. WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THEM, SEE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE WORTHWHILE FOR US TO LOOK INTO THEM FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. I'M JUST NOT SURE THERE ARE QUESTIONS TO, TO, UM, THAT WE WOULD ANSWER WITHIN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. I MEAN, THEY, THEY'D BE GOOD QUESTIONS TO, FOR US TO AN, TO ASK OURSELVES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, WE ASKED THEM IN THE, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AS FAR AS THE JOBS ARE FILLED BY OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY. WHAT'S THE SKILLS THOSE SUR JOBS HAVE, DO HIRING PRACTICE IN THE COUNTY, TARGET HIRING FROM WITHIN? WHY ARE 80% OF THE WORKERS LEAVING THE COUNTY GOOD? I THINK THERE'S, THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS TO ASK. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE COVER THOSE IN A, IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, WHICH IS WHERE DID THE STATEMENT COME FROM, MS. CHI? WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT, WHERE DID THAT STATEMENT PARTICULARLY COME FROM SAYING THAT PEOPLE LEAVE? I MEAN, TO ME IT DOESN'T, THE RATIONALE DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. THEY LEAVE THE COUNTY TO GET LOWER PAYING JOBS. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT IS THAT THE SAME STATEMENT? YEAH, WELL WHAT WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IS THEY'RE NO, I GET IT. I HIGHLIGHTED IT ALSO, I THOUGHT, WHY WOULD PEOPLE LEAVE THE COUNTY FOR LOWER PAYING JOBS? I MEAN, WHERE DID THAT COME, WHY IS IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHO CAME UP WITH IT? I GUESS I'D HAVE, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT WHERE I, I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT ADD TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT ADD TO FIRST IT NEEDS TO BE FACTUAL. IF IT IS CORRECT. I I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE DATA AND IT JUST DOESN'T SOUND REASONABLE. I MEAN, 'CAUSE WHEN WE FIRST CAME UP, WE SAID THE MEDIUM INCOME'S LIKE 70 GRAND IN SURY COUNTY. THAT'S PRETTY 70 ONE'S PRETTY WELL OFF. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS MATCH OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH THE NUCLEAR PLANT. THAT IS, THAT IS A CERTAIN, AND I LEAVING THE OTHER OF WORK, I KNOW DOMINION IS VERY HIP OR WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? VERY PROACTIVE ON THE HIRING COUNTY. I MEAN, IF LOCAL PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY APPLY UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING DISQUALIFIES THEM, THEY, BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT YEAH, OFTENTIMES THEY'RE DISQUALIFIED AND THEY LEAVE FOR A LOWER PAYING JOB BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE SKILLSET TO BE EMPLOYED IN A PARTICULAR SETTING THAT OFFERS HIGHER PAY. THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND, AND, AND, AND DOMINION ARE YOUR TWO LARGEST EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE THE SKILLSET TO BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AS A TEACHER OR, OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. OR IN DOMINION, AS, YOU KNOW, A TOP LEVEL PERSON. SO THEY LEAVE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY TO TAKE A JOB THAT DOES NOT PAY AS MUCH AS ONE OF THOSE JOBS IN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. SO IF, IF I GUESS IN THIS AREA, THEN, LIKE MR. WOOTEN, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO, BUT IT'S, THAT COULD BE PHRASED MUCH BETTER IN THIS SECTION. UNDERSTOOD. I THINK. UNDERSTOOD. AND IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE PLAN. WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON LANGUAGE ON, ON THAT. SURE. OKAY. LET'S SEE. OKAY, THERE, IS THERE A CONCERN ON WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL PARK IS LOCATED IS ONLY A COUPLE MILES FROM THE TOWN OF SURREY WAS NOT THAT IT'S A REMOTE LOCATION? I, I THINK THE, MAYBE THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHAT REMOTE MEANS IN THAT REGIONAL TERM WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING, ESPECIALLY WITH HR PDC, UM, DID OUR PLAN IN 2020. UM, ROUTE 10 IS WHERE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE, WHERE OUR NATIONAL PARK IS LOCATED. IT IS NOT [01:00:01] ON A STATE A A UH, STATEWIDE SIGNIFICANT ROUTE. FOUR 60 IS FOUR 60 IS AN AREA THAT HAS A LOT OF, UH, REGIONAL TYPES OF TRAFFIC. ROUTE 10 IS NOT AN AREA WITH, SO WHEN IT SAYS IT'S REMOTE, IT IS REMOTE IN THAT IT IS NOT PART OF A HUGE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE INTERSTATES COMING THROUGH SURREY COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE A MAJOR STATEWIDE, UH, ROUTE LIKE FOUR 60 COMING THROUGH MOST OF SURREY COUNTY. I THINK WE HAVE A SMALL SEGMENT OF ROUTE FOUR 60 WHERE THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL PARK IS. WELL THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA FOR FUTURE LAND USE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO BE INCLUDED. THAT WAS WHAT THE, THE COUNTY PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY RIGHT IN THAT AREA TO BE INCLUDED FOR, FOR THAT. THAT'S NOT AN AREA THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING FOR FUTURE LAND USE, BUT, UM, TO BE FOR EMPLOYMENT. BUT, UM, FOR ROUTE 10, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THAT LOCATION BEING REMOTE MM-HMM . UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON FOUR 60, THAT AREA OF FOUR 60. THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE REMOTE. IT WOULD BE PROBABLY REMOTE TO THE REST OF THE COUNTY, BUT RE BUT TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, IT WOULD PROBABLY WITH BE WITHIN, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR ON FOUR 60, NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM SOME OF THE OTHER INTERSTATES IN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S INTERESTING. SO I, I WONDER IF HOW, IF WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT IS A GOOD THING ABOUT THE LOCATION OF OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. IT IS KIND OF NICE THAT IT'S, IT'S OUT OF OUR PLANNED CORRIDOR GROWTH AREA. THAT'S A GOOD THING. RIGHT. AND THEN, I MEAN, CERTAINLY ENOUGH BIG TRUCKS COME THROUGH HERE, SO ROUTE 10 DOES HAVE SOME, I KNOW IT'S NOT ROUTE FOUR 60. YEAH. THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN INDUSTRIES THAT SPECIFICALLY LOOK TO BE CLOSE TO TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS. SO THAT, THAT I THINK IN, IN, IN SOME TYPES OF INDUSTRIES, THEY LIMIT THEMSELVES FROM JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED A CERTAIN CHECK CHECKBOX, YOU ALMOST LIMIT YOURSELF FROM EVEN BEING A PART OF ANY CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF, YOU MAY NOT BE IN LINE WITH A LONG FOUR 60 OR A LONG 95. YOU MAY BE LIMITING YOURSELF JUST BY THE MERE FACTOR OF WHERE YOUR LOCATION IS. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY SAID IS IT IS REMOTE. RIGHT. IT IS REMOTE CONSIDERING THOSE FACTORS. SO MAYBE AGAIN, LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE COULD, UM, REPHRASE THAT TO BE, TO ALSO INCLUDE THE BENEFITS OF OUR INDUSTRIAL AREA IF WE COULD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT YOU. WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THE SECOND BULLET POINT FOR FASTER GROWTH OF EMPLOYMENT? NUMBER 12 YEARS? SO YEAH, EMPLOYMENT IS EXPECTED TO GROW FASTER THAN THE POPULATION. YEAH. IIII THINK WE'RE SEEING MORE, UM, GROWTH HERE JOBS THAN WE ARE POPUL I THINK WE SAW RECENTLY THERE WAS A POPULATION DECREASE OR IS THAT IT WAS A, IT, IT WAS A DECREASE OF ONE 12, MAYBE 1 22. OH, THERE WE GO. IT WAS A DE A DECREASE OF 122, UM, WITH USING 2023 DATA. SO FOR CHANGE FOR THE 2019 PLAN. SO THERE, THERE IS A POPULATION DECREASE, BUT, BUT WE SEE AN EMPLOYMENT INCREASE IN, IN SURREY. SO THAT THAT, THAT, THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. UM, AND, AND, UH, EMPLOYEE POPULATION HERE EMPLOY POPULATION THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE EMPLOYED. CORRECT. IS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE EMPLOYED? YES. SO IF I WAS A BUSINESS LOOKING AT THAT STATEMENT, WOULD I WANT TO COME TO SURREY IF MY, THE POPULATION IS DECREASING. WHAT, SEE, AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO REALLY SAY HERE? WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS STATEMENT THAT'S HELPFUL TO US AS A COUNTY? I THINK I, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS INFORMATION THAT IS HELPFUL BECAUSE WE, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND AS A COUNTY, WE DO WANT HOUSING, UH, AS, AS WE DO COLLECTIVELY WANT TO HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE. MM-HMM . UM, SO, AND WE, WE DO SEE CERTAIN TYPES OF INDUSTRY THAT ARE, ARE, ARE TO GROW IN SURREY COUNTY. SO MATCHING THOSE TWO THINGS UP TOGETHER, UM, THE HOPE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO DO LOOK AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY SEE THAT WE WILL WORK WITH THEM. I LIKE THAT. BUT THAT THIS STATEMENT DOESN'T TELL ME THAT. OKAY. SO, OKAY. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. MOVING ON, . OKAY. UH, EXISTING RAILWAYS ARE ADEQUATE. HOW DOES THE STATE THE STATEMENT ALIGN WITH THE ROUTE 31 STUDY AND WITH THE ISSUES THE COUNTY HAS REGARDING ENERGY PROJECT CONSTRUCTION? UM, WE'LL, I THINK WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AND MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE THAT IS ADDRESSED. UH, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE AREA OF BROADBAND. I DO THINK, UH, FROM THE, FROM LATEST REPORTS WE'VE HIT OUR AREA OF BROADBAND. I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME, I THINK WE'VE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD WITH BROADBAND, WE'VE GOT TO A [01:05:01] PLACE WHERE EVERYONE HAS THE ABILITY TO CONNECT. UM, THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE WHO MAY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WITH CONNECTING BECAUSE IT MAY BE A LAST MILE EFFORT OR SOMETHING, BUT EVERY AT ONE AT THIS TIME WHERE WE'VE SHARED WITH THAT, THEY'VE GOT TO PLACE WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY DO HAVE ACCESS TO BROADBAND. SO MAYBE WE SAY THAT HERE, THAT IS THE BROADBAND WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED. WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IT. YEAH. I MEAN, WE, WE SHOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT. OKAY. SO ARE THE TAN THE, I GUESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER COLOR, THE TAN OR THE, THE PINKISH COLOR, ARE THEY, ARE THEY ITEMS BEING ADDED IN? IS THAT WHAT DIFFERENTIATES THOSE? WHICH AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UM, FOR SURE. I'M SORRY, LET'S, LET'S GO ON PAGE 12. THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S COLORED A DIFFERENT COLOR. YEAH. THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THAT WAY. THERE WAS, THAT THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE COLOR FOR THAT ONE. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE FOR THE CORRECT CHANGES. LIKE IF YOU SEE ON PAGE 11, YOU SEE ALL THE TEXT CHANGES THERE WITH THE NUMBERS OVER TO THE RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL CHANGES. THOSE THOSE ARE, YEAH. THOSE ARE ACTUAL CHANGES THERE. GOTCHA. OKAY. YES, SIR. UM, LET'S SEE. COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UM, PAGE NUMBER 13, THERE WAS, THERE WAS, THERE WERE NO CHANGES HERE. ALL THE, ALL THAT, ALL THAT STAYED THE SAME. UH, UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO, BUT COULD YOU , I MEAN, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO CHANGE WHERE IT SAYS SURREY RESIDENTS ARE GENERALLY LESS HEALTHY THAN VIRGINIANS. WHAT IN THE WORLD? WHO, HOW DOES THAT HELP TERMS OF THE ASIAN POPULATION? MAY, MAY, MAYBE WE MAYBE PUT SOME CON MAYBE YOU CAN PUT SOME CONTEXT TO THAT. UM, THERE'S COMMUNITY REPORTS OUT THERE FROM THE, UH, FROM CRATER HEALTH THAT SHOWED, UM, WHERE WE, WHERE WE LEFT OFF. UM, WHERE SURREY IS CONSIDERED MAYBE SOME CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE BASED ON THE YEAR. UM, WE, AND I AGREE WE'VE GOT AN OLDER POPULATION AND THEY SURELY THEY HAVE MORE AILMENTS THAT HA IT'S UNDER COMMUNITY FACILITIES. MM-HMM . ARE THEY, I MEAN, IS THE POINT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT WE NEED A HOSPITAL. YES. THAT WAS THE POINT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. THAT WAS THE POINT THAT WE NEED. OKAY. MORE SERVICES THAT, THAT CATER TO THE AGING POPULATION AND, AND PEOPLE WITH ILLNESS AND EVERYBODY AGREE ON THAT FOR SURE. RIGHT. AND THEN THERE, THERE MAY, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER THINGS WE CAN ADD IN THAT CATEGORIES THAT, 'CAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS COMMUNITY FILLED FACILITIES. THE NEXT COUPLE OF LINES TALKED ABOUT AND, AND PURSUE A GROCERY STORE. WE, WE'VE ATTAINED THAT. UM, I THINK MAYBE USING TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING A, A, A EXISTING GROCERY STORE. MAYBE ADD SOME OTHER LANGUAGE IN THERE. UM, COMMUNITY FACILITY. UM, SO WE, WE, WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS ANOTHER COMMUNITY FACILITY HERE, UM, HERE. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CAN INCLUDE LANGUAGE TO SUPPORT THAT, UM, UNDER COMMUNITY FACILITIES. SO WE CAN PROBABLY BOLSTER THAT UP A LITTLE BIT AND PROBABLY, MAYBE HIT SOME CONTEXTUAL ELEMENTS THERE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN ACTUALLY HELP OUR CONSULTANTS TO. 'CAUSE WE, WE DO KNOW HOW, WHAT SUR IS EXPERIENCING HERE OR YOU JUST ADD A COUPLE MORE WORDS IN DUE TO THE ELDERLY POPULATION, DA DA DA. OKAY. IT JUST MAKES IT, WHY WOULD I WANNA GO TO SUR IF PEOPLE ARE MORE UNHEALTHY, THEY GOT THE PLAGUE THERE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN YEAH. CONTEXT, LIKE EXAMPLE CONTEXTUALLY, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. OKAY. YEAH. AND, AND MR. WADE, IF I MAY SUGGEST, AND UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS AN OBJECTION, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, THE, THE COMMENTS AND THE BULLET POINTS THAT ARE BEING SHARED BY MS. CHEEK AND I APPRECIATE, UM, THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT TO US SO EVERYBODY CAN READ. BUT MAYBE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF, MAYBE TO WORK WITH CONSULTANTS THAT GO THROUGH, UH, THIS BULLET BY BULLET INSTEAD OF US GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT TONIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME DETAILED ANSWERS TO US. THAT'S FINE. UM, AND, AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS COMMISSIONERS TO ALSO READ YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR QUESTIONS AND, AND BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF EITHER WITH INPUT OR WITH FURTHER, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT WITH FURTHER QUESTIONS. SO UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS AN OBJECTION TO THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO SUGGEST. OH, I WOULD, UM, IF ONE THING THOUGH, AT THE VERY END, I THINK I TOTALLY AGREE. I DIDN'T EXPECT US TO GO THROUGH THESE SPEAKERS, BUT YOU OFFERED, SO I TOOK YOU UP ON IT. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S AN APPENDIX TO THIS DOCUMENT MM-HMM . AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I GOT MIXED UP ON THE MAPS. 'CAUSE I PULLED THOSE MAPS FAST EARLY. THIS APPENDIX WAS PRODUCED, NOT NOW. THIS IS NOT A CURRENT DOCUMENT, THIS APPENDIX. SO THE, THE, UH, LET ME STATE THIS FOR THE RECORD. UM, THE APPENDIX WAS HERE PRIOR TO WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2028. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH AN APPENDIX. THERE WERE SOME AMENDMENTS MADE TO THE APPENDIX. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE ENERGY PORTION OF THAT, A PORTION OF THAT AS WELL AS THE ROUTE 31. UM, A REPORT WAS ADDED ONTO TO THAT. SO THERE, THERE WERE SOME AMENDMENTS MADE TO THE, UM, APPENDIX, BUT IT, IT, IT EXISTED PRIOR TO THIS MOMENT. [01:10:01] SO THIS, BUT THIS AMENDMENT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT WAS A REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO SUPPORT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IS, IS THAT WHAT WE, WE WE, WE USED THIS TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, I MEAN IT WAS, IT WAS PRODUCED BACK IN, WHAT WAS THE YEAR? WHICH ONE? OH, THE OPPORTUNITIES REPORT. IT WAS REPU IT WAS PRODUCED IN 2000 2020. CORRECT. 2000 WHAT? 2020? YES. SO, UM, I I I NOTICED THERE ARE RED LINES IN HERE. NOW. WE'RE NOT UPDATING THIS REPORT NOW, RIGHT? WE'RE ONLY UPDATING THE BODY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 'CAUSE THIS IS LIKE A, A REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN US IN 2020. SO PART OF THE APPENDIX IS BEING UPDATED. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE I SAID, THE EN ENERGY PROJECTS, THAT AMENDMENT THAT WE MADE, BUT THAT GOES INTO THE BODY OF THE, SOME OF IT, SOME, SOME OF IT GOES THERE AND SOME OF IT GOES INTO THE APPENDIX. A LOT, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GATHERED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE FOR THE ENERGY PROJECTS WAS RELEVANT. BUT WE USED SOME OF THE INFORMATION TO PUT INTO THE, I MEAN, WE KIND OF SEPARATE SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS TO PUT INTO THE ACTUAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF AND THEN SOME INFORMATION NOTE THAT WENT INTO THE APPENDIX DEPENDING ON WHATEVER. SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, CHART THIS REPORT CHART, IT WENT INTO THIS REPORT CHART. CORRECT. IT WAS CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OH YEAH. CHART CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND THINGS OR HOW WE, WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION PEOPLE RESPONDED TO, QUESTIONS LIKE THAT. THOSE GO INTO AN APPENDIX SECTION TO SUPPORT HOW WE GATHER INFORMATION THAT WAS INSIDE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OH, OKAY. SO THIS REPORT REALLY IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. IT'S NOT, IT'S STILL, IT DIDN'T, IT'S JUST NOT A STATIC REPORT. YEAH. WE JUST USE, WE, WE USED IT TO, TO SUPPORT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GATHERED INSIDE. IF, IF, IF WE COME ACROSS ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE MIGHT USE, WE COULD PUT THAT IN THE PENNIX AS WELL. SO, UM, LIKE DOC, LIKE I SAID, CHART SCRAP THAT SUPPORT SOME INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IN, IN THE ACTUAL CONFERENCE PLAN UPDATE. OKAY. THAT IS, DOES THAT HELP? I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO MY OTHER SUGGESTION AND THEN, UM, I'LL GIVE THE FLOOR TO SOMEBODY ELSE. , I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE OPEN HOUSE. UH, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE ADDRESS LIKE A DIFFERENT TIME OR MAYBE HAVE IT IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS TO ENCOURAGE MORE AND, UM, POSSIBLY EVEN AFTER OPEN HOUSES, AND MAYBE YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS PLAN, IT'S TO RUN A SURVEY. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME TO THE OPEN HOUSE, THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAYBE THEY CAN GIVE US MORE INPUT THROUGH A SURVEY AFTERWARDS. UM, THAT'S AN IDEA THAT WE COULD HAVE MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IF POSSIBLE. SO CAN I, CAN I, CAN I ADD ON THAT ONE? SO WE, WE HAD A SCHEDULE THAT YOU, WE WE SENT OUT TO YOU. IT DID NOT INCLUDE MORE THAN ONE OPEN HOUSE. UM, IT, IT INCLUDED ONE OPEN HOUSE AND, BUT WE DID SAY THAT WE WOULD OPEN UP TO, UH, FOLKS BEING ABLE TO COME TO THE OPEN HOUSE AS WELL AS POST IT ONLINE. IT IS POSTED ONLINE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS POSTED ONLINE AT THIS TIME. UM, WE, UM, WE ARE RELEASED IN A FLYER COME MONDAY THAT WILL, THAT WILL SHOW, UM, THERE'S AN EMAIL ADDRESS PEOPLE CAN SEND THEIR COMMENTS TO. IS IT'S GONNA BE COMP PLAN@SURREYCOUNTYVA.GOV. THEY CAN SEND ANY OF THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE PLAN, UPDATE TO THAT PARTICULAR EMAIL ADDRESS TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THEY HAVE OR, OR, OR NOTES THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT THE CONFERENCES PLAN UPDATE. UM, AND THEY CAN CALL, THEY CAN CALL US AS WELL IF THEY HAVE ANY, IF ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, THEY, AND FEEL FREE TO COME BY OUR OFFICE TO TALK WITH US ABOUT WHATEVER IT IS. UH, SOMETIMES IT MAY BE BEST TO SET AN APPOINTMENT TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME THINGS TOO. UM, IT MAY BE HELPFUL IF, IF THEY SET AN APPOINTMENT, WHETHER IT BE TEAMS OR UH, OR IN PERSON, WHATEVER, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHATEVER IT IS. UM, WE'LL BE ACCEPTING COMMENTS FROM, UH, THE NOVEMBER THE THIRD DATE, ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL DECEMBER THE FIRST. SO THE FLOOR IS GONNA BE OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE CONFERENCE, TO PLAN UPDATES. UM, ANYBODY CAN SHOW UP, UH, WITH, UH, TO, TO IN PERSON, UH, THE OPEN HOUSE ON, ON THE THIRD. BUT WE WILL STILL HAVE IT OPEN TO EVERYONE. THIS IS A SMALL MINOR UPDATE. AND I THINK THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WE WANT TO REITERATE. UM, IT WAS A, IT WAS A MINOR UPDATE. I THINK OUR CONSULTANTS BASICALLY SAID AT THIS TIME, HAD IT JUST BEEN DATA UPDATES, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE RECOMMENDED US TO DO ANY TYPE OF OPEN HOUSE AT ALL. UM, BUT WE, WE, THEY DID FEEL AS THOUGH WE NEED TO HAVE, UM, AND THIS, THE STAFF STAFF AGREED WITH THIS TOO. AND, AND, AND OUR COMMISSION AGREED WITH IT. AND, AND OUR, OUR, OUR, MY CHAIR, UH, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, THEY, THEY AGREED WITH THIS AND ON SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME COMMITTEE INPUT FOR SURE. UM, TO, BECAUSE WE, WE ARE GOING BEYOND JUST SIMPLE DATA UPDATES. UM, BUT I THINK HAVING A OPEN ENDED, LIKE BY EMAIL THAT YOU CAN, PEOPLE CAN SEND THE INFORMATION TO AND WE'LL ALSO WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'LL ALSO, THE HOPE IS HAVING THE INFORMATION BY DECEMBER THE FIRST. WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION AT THE DECEMBER 15TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. MM-HMM . SO YOU ALL CAN SEE THE COMMENTS. WE'LL TAKE OUT THE, THE PERSONAL INFORMATION, [01:15:01] LIKE THE NAMES AND, AND EMAIL ADDRESSES IN THERE. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT COMMENTS ARE MADE. UM, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THEM? AND THE HOPE IS IF WE SEE THERE MAYBE A NEEDS OR, OR STAFF CAN KINDA LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW WE MAY ADDRESS CERTAIN COMMENTS WE COULD TAKE, WE CAN TAKE A STAB AT THAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETS ON THE 15TH, UM, TO GO OVER THOSE THINGS. THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN TO STAY ON TARGET, ON BUDGET. UM, AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE FROM STAFF IS HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT COMMUNITY INPUT IS IMPORTANT. UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE STAY ON TIME ON TARGET. PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE EXPECTING COMMENTS FROM THEM ON DECEM BY DECEMBER OF THE FIRST. AND THEY HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO THEM AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH THEY, THEY CAN MEET WITH STAFF. THEY, I I, WE DON'T, WE DO NOT MIND MEETING WITH THEM WITH THE PUBLIC TO GO, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT CONCERNS OR, OR, UM, OR EXPLAIN DIFFERENT AREAS TO, TO THE PUBLIC. UM, SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF SOMEONE DOES HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN AND THEY COME SEEK OUT OUR OFFICE OR, OR MAKE A COMMENT ON ON, UM, THE EMAIL ADDRESS, AGAIN COMP PLAN@SURREYCOUNTYVA.GOV. DOES THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE? SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PLANS. OKAY. OH, UM, LEMME SEE. WAS I WAS GONNA FI FINISH UP WITH WHAT YOU HAD HERE. EXIST EXISTING LAND USE THE THIRD PARAGRAPH. I THINK WE, WE GOT THREE. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. WE GOOD WITH THAT? YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. GOTCHA. ALRIGHT, COOL. YEAH, WE GOOD? ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? MR. WADE, ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE WORK SESSION? I THINK YOU'VE GONE OVER THE SCHEDULE AND YES. YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, WHICH I DO BELIEVE IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT THANK YOU FOR, UM, YES. THAT, UM, THAT EXPLANATION, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. ABSO ABSOLUTELY. I I I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT THERE. I, I DIDN'T EXPLAIN, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T INTEND TO SAY IT RIGHT THEN, BUT I DID INTEND TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT BEFORE, BEFORE WE LEFT TONIGHT. MM-HMM . APPRECIATE. UM, SO THAT, THAT WE, WE, WE, WE INTEND TO KEEP THE SCHEDULE THERE AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT THE PUB, THE PUBLIC'S INPUT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THEIR INPUT AND WE WILL CAPTURE IT OUT AND EVERYBODY WILL HAVE ALL THE PLAY COMMISSIONS, HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE AND SEE IS, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS. AND, AND I THINK OUR PUBLIC WILL APPRECIATE THE IN PERSON AS WELL AS THE ONLINE PLATFORM. I KNOW A LOT OF THE YOUNGER, UH, GENERATION, THEY LOVE TO USE THE ONLINE PLATFORM AND YOU'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE THOSE COMMENTS RIGHT THERE. SO. ABSOLUTELY. WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS ADJOURNMENT. WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER THE 24TH. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE FOURTH. GOT CHANGED TO THE 17TH. THE 17TH. I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I ASKED. ALRIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS OR NO OTHER CONCERNS, WE WILL ADJOURN TO OUR NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING. IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED? SECOND. SECOND. SO PROPERLY MOVED. AND SECOND THAT WE ADJOURN UNTIL NOVEMBER 17TH. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. WE ARE ADJOURNED. SEE YOU LATER. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.