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[Highway Transportation Safety Commission on November 12, 2025.]
IT'S 6:00 PM AND WE COULD CALL THE MEETING DEAL ORDER AND HAVE A ROLL CALL.HAS EVERYONE BEEN OVER THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE OR ANYTHING? I HAVE NO CHANGES.
SHERIFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING EITHER ONE OF Y'ALL ON THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? NO SIR.
IF WE CAN GET A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH NO CHANGES.
IF EVERYBODY IS AGREEABLE WITH THE MINUTES THE WAY THEY HAVE WRITTEN UP THIS TIME, IF YOU COULD SAY A AYE AYE.
ANYBODY OPPOSED THE AYES HABIT? OKAY.
ANSWER IS THE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT BRING UP FIRST? UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSION MEMBERS AND ALL OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, MY FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SCHOOL CROSSWALK SIDEWALK PROJECT.
I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY STAFF THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SARA COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL CROSSWALK SIDEWALK PROJECT WILL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION DURING THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER THE 24TH, WHICH IS THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY WHILE THE STUDENTS ARE OUT.
UM, I ALSO SENT AN EMAIL TO, UM, VDOT TO DETERMINE IF COORDINATION HAD BEEN MADE WITH THEM AS FAR AS DOING THEIR PART OF THE PROJECT.
UM, MR. CARROLL RESPONDED AND HE SAID THAT VDOT HAS ORDERED THE RAPID FLASHING BEACONS AND THEY HAVE COORDINATED WITH THEIR PEOPLE AS FAR AS DOING THE CROSSWALK PAINTING, BUT THEY ASKED THAT THE COUNTY WOULD GIVE THEM LIKE A TWO WEEK NOTICE PRIOR TO THE PROJECT BEING PLEADED.
SO I FORWARDED THE INFORMATION TO, UM, MS. ANN FINNEY, SHE'S OUR OPERATIONS SUPPORT SPECIALIST, AND SHE INFORMED ME THAT SHE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE VENDORS AND GET AN ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE AND FOLLOW BACK UP WITH VDOT.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I AM GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON, UM, THE ROADWAY FLOODING SENSORS, UM, THAT I INTRODUCED LAST TIME.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME, H-R-P-D-C APPROACHED ME.
UM, THEY GOT A GRANT TO INSTALL 50 ROADWAY FLOODING SENSORS THROUGHOUT THE HAMPTON ROADS REGION.
UM, AND ASKED IF I WOULD COMPILE A LIST OF SITES, UM, THAT EXPERIENCED A LOT OF FLOODING IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND I SPOKE TO ROSSI CARROLL AND, UM, RAY PHELPS, UH, WHO BOTH GAVE ME SOME, UH, SITES THAT HAVE, UH, SEEN A LOT OF FLOODING.
UM, AND I SPOKE TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT, UM, KIND OF THEIR LIKE, QUALITATIVE EXPERIENCE OF LIKE AREAS THAT FLOOD.
UM, SINCE THEN I MET WITH THE FOLKS FROM H-R-P-D-C WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF THAT PROJECT, UM, AND GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT SORTS OF SITES THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TO INSTALL THE SENSORS.
UM, AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED ME WITH SOME DATA, UH, TO LIKE SHOW WHAT SITES THEY HAD, UM,
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OR LIKE AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT THEY HAD IDENTIFIED AS BEING PARTICULARLY SUITABLE FOR, UH, TRACKING THE TYPE OF FLOODING THAT, UM, THE SENSORS, UH, WORK FOR.BASICALLY THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SITES THAT WERE, UM, EXPERIENCED FLOODING.
THEY WERE ON A ROAD THAT SAW A GOOD AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, WHICH IS LIKE PRETTY RELATIVE TO THE REST OF HAMPTON ROADS, UM, AND SURREY.
BUT, UM, THEY, THE BEST SITE WOULD BE ON A BRIDGE OVER, UM, SOMETHING THAT ALWAYS HAS WATER LIKE A SWAMP OR A CREEK OR A RIVER, UM, AND SEE SUNLIGHT MOST OF THE DAY.
UH, AND, UM, HAS GOOD CELL PHONE SERVICE BECAUSE THE SENSORS, UH, SEND DATA USING, UH, CELL PHONE CARRIERS.
UM, SO MOST OF THE SITES THAT MET ALL OF THESE CRITERIA AND WERE LIKE, AND THE LISTS OF, UM, PLACES THAT FLOOD THAT I GOT WERE IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, LIKE WEST OF 31.
UM, AND, UH, H-R-P-D-C ALSO, UH, DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO EQUALLY DISTRIBUTE THE SENSORS AMONG ALL OF THE LOCALITIES.
SO EVERY LOCALITY GOT THREE SENSORS.
SO, UM, THE SITES THAT ENDED UP BEING THE BEST CANDIDATES WERE, UM, ON 31 JUST NORTH OF RIN.
UM, APPARENTLY RIN BECOMES LIKE AN ISLAND THAT IS LOCKED IN SOMETIMES WHENEVER IT FLOODS.
UM, AND THE SWAMP JUST NORTH OF DRE, UH, CYPRESS SWAMP, THERE'S A BRIDGE THAT WAS A GOOD CANDIDATE, UM, ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF, UM, ALMOST TO THE COUNTY LINE.
UH, OR A COUPLE MILES NORTH OF THE COUNTY LINE OVER OTTER DAM SWAMP WAS ANOTHER GOOD CANDIDATE.
AND THEN, UM, ON THE COUNTY LINE BETWEEN SURREY AND PRINCE GEORGE, UH, WAS THE THIRD ONE.
AND TODAY ACTUALLY I WENT OUT WITH, UH, THE VENDOR, THE H-R-P-D-C IS, UM, GETTING THE SENSORS FROM TO CHECK THE SITES LIKE ON THE GROUND.
UM, AND ALL OF THEM HAD ENOUGH SUNLIGHT AND THEY WERE LIKE A GOOD TYPE OF BRIDGE I GUESS THAT'S EASY TO, UM, INSTALL THE SENSORS ON.
UM, SO BASICALLY THEY ALL HAVE, UH, APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD TO THE NEXT STEP.
AND THEY ARE MAINLY LOOKING FOR BRIDGES TO DO 'EM AT.
YEAH, THAT'S THE BEST, THE BEST SITE FOR THEM.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO OR ANSWER? AND THIS DATA IS GONNA BE USED TO, IT WILL, UM, THE DATA WILL BE AVAILABLE, IT'S LIKE REAL TIME DATA.
SO IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE ON A DASHBOARD THAT, UM, UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THAT'S WHAT VM STANDS FOR, RIGHT?
UM, WHICH WILL BE USEFUL IF THERE IS LIKE A MAJOR FLOODING EVENT TO, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND THIS DATA WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE, UM, IF SOMEONE'S USING GOOGLE MAPS OR SOME OTHER NAVIGATION APP ON THEIR PHONE AND, UM, THE, THERE'S GOING TO BE FLOODING IN THE ROADWAY ON THEIR, UH, JOURNEY, IT WILL, UH, NOTIFY THEM TO TAKE A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
THE, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH IT MYSELF, BUT THERE IS ROADS IN THE COUNTY THAT FLOODS A WHOLE LOT MORE OFTEN THAN THOSE BRIDGES.
AND I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE ALSO, BUT APPARENTLY NOT.
WELL THERE'S, THERE ARE SENSORS THAT YOU CAN INSTALL IN PLACES OTHER THAN BRIDGES, BUT THEY'RE, UM, A LOT MORE COSTLY TO MAINTAIN AND INSTALL BASICALLY.
SO I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE IF THESE SENSORS ARE LIKE REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM SINCE THERE'S JUST A COUPLE,
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A COUPLE SITES.UM, AND IF THEY'RE REALLY SUCCESSFUL, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD, UM, GOOD WAY TO JUSTIFY SPENDING ON POTENTIALLY A MORE EXPERIMENTAL OPTION LIKE SOMEWHERE THAT ISN'T ON A BRIDGE.
WELL IS THIS GOING TO COST THE COUNTY ANYTHING OR IS IT GONNA BE 100% THE PROJECT? THEY ARE GONNA COVER THE COST COMPLETELY FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN AFTER THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE ABOUT $1,500 A YEAR FOR ALL, LIKE FOR ALL THREE SENSORS PUT TOGETHER.
WELL I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHETHER WE'D ASKED YOU THAT AT THE LAST MEETING OR NOT.
WELL, I, I, UM, LEARNED MORE SINCE THEN EVEN ABOUT THAT, SO IT'S STILL APPROPRIATE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN OTHER AREAS WHERE IS NO BRIDGE UHHUH, BUT UM, IS AN AREA, UM, ACROSS OFF OF 40 ON DEN ROAD.
THE LAST TIME WE GOT HIGH WATERS, THE BUS DRIVER HAD TO TURN AROUND AND GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
IT TOOK HER, IT'S TAKEN HER OFF ABOUT 15 OR 20 MINUTES TO GO AND PICK UP ANOTHER CHILD.
ON OTTER DAM IS A LITTLE, I WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT ROAD? UM, RIGHT OFF OF 40.
IT ALWAYS, UM, FLOOD UP IN THERE.
I KNOW IT'S OTTER DAM, UHHUH
I I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE SPOTS THAT WAS ON RAY PHELPS'S LIST.
UM, I, I WOULD THINK THAT SINCE THE SENSOR WOULD STILL BE MEASURING LIKE THE SAME WATER BODY, IT MIGHT STILL BE USEFUL.
BUT YEAH, THE UM, BASICALLY THE ALTERNATIVE TO THE SENSORS THAT ARE PUT ON THE BRIDGES, UM, THEY'RE PUT LIKE LITERALLY INTO THE GROUND.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT LIKE OVER TIME THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THEM IS JUST MUCH MORE AND I THINK THAT THE READINGS THEY GIVE ARE LESS ACCURATE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE HESITANT TO PUT THEM IN THOSE PLACES.
SO, EXCUSE ME, YOU'RE SAYING THEY'D BE PUTTING IN THE GROUND, IT'S, NONE OF IT WILL BE EXPOSED ABOVE AND THE ALTERNATIVE TYPE OF SENSORS? UM, I THINK JUST A, LIKE THE PART THAT LIKE SENSES
AND SO SINCE THAT'S LIKE A, UM, SENSITIVE PART OF THE SENSOR, UM, IT'S EASILY BROKEN.
SO IT'S UH, IT'S JUST UH, A LOT MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO BEING DAMAGED.
AND AS YOU LEARN MORE ABOUT IT, I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COME BACK YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND TELL US 'CAUSE THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE NEW TO ALL OF US.
OKAY, NEXT WAS C WE DID RIDE ALONG WITH DDOT, MR. LANE AND I AND FRANCIS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. LANE, I'M GONNA ASK IF YOU ALL WILL SHARE YOUR INSIGHTS FROM THE VISIT AND UM, INFORM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS WHAT YOU GOT OUT OF IT.
MR. LANE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED ON WITH THAT? OKAY.
DURING THE UH, RIDE ALONG WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, EDGES OF THE ROAD THAT WAS DETERIORATING, UH, DUE TO EITHER, UH, HEAVY TRAFFIC HAVING TO PULL OVER WHILE MEETING ANOTHER VEHICLE OR WHETHER IT WAS JUST NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR OF THE ROAD.
UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL AREAS NOTED.
MR. CARROLL STATED THAT UH, THEY WERE AWARE OF A LOT OF WHAT WE WERE SHOWING THEM AND THAT UH, HE ATTRIBUTED A LOT OF IT TO NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR AND THAT THE SOLAR PROJECT WAS NOT NECESSARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
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AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, BEACHLAND AND WHITE MARSH AND THEY DID ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, DITCH SITUATION THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH THERE AND THE, UH, DETERIORATION OF THE SHOULDERS HAD NEEDED REPAIR.BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, UH, NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN ON ANY OF IT AT THIS TIME.
SO, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WHITE MARSHES LIKE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, WE WERE TOLD IN THE BEGINNING THAT UM, I THINK ONCE THE, UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT DATE IT WAS ONCE, YOU KNOW HOW, SO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FALL, I BELIEVE IT WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO START DOING SOME WORK OUT THERE.
BUT SO FAR WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF IT.
SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE UH, A GOOD FEELING ABOUT SEEING ANYTHING ANYTIME SOON TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I WILL AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE SIR COUNTY GETS PUT ON THE BACK BURNER AS FAR AS V O'S CONCERNED WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING THAT WE NEED DONE.
AND I KNOW WHEN THE GUY THAT MADE THE TURN TO HAVE A DE TRACTOR TRAILER WHILE WE WERE AT 6 26 IN A WHITE MARSH, THE GUY WAS JUST ASKING YOU ABOUT WHERE DID HE LIVE AT AND ALL HAD A SMART REMARK TO MAKE TO ME, BUT I DIDN'T PASS NOTHING BACK AT HIM
BUT THOSE CORNERS WAS NOT MESSED UP ON THOSE INTERSECTIONS UNTIL THEY STARTED WITH THE SOLAR PANELS.
AND I DIDN'T APPRECIATE WHAT HE SAID, BUT THAT'S BEYOND THE POINT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I WOULD SAY LAST WEEK, UM, MR. JACKSON MARLOW DID PROVIDE A STATUS UPDATE REPORT, UM, FOR THE UM, CAVALIER SOLAR PROJECT.
AND HE DID SEND AN EMAIL SAYING THAT UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY COORDINATING WITH VDOT TO ADDRESS THE EXPOSED CULVERT AND ROAD EDGES AT THE INTERSECTION OF WHITE MARSH AND BEACHLAND ROAD.
SO SOMETHING IS BEING DONE, IT MAY BE A SLOW PROCESS, BUT THEY ARE IN, IN THE PROCESS OF COORDINATING WITH THEM TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION.
UH, OF COURSE WE HADN'T HAD ANOTHER MEETING SINCE THEN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INTERSECTION AND THERE WAS SOME PLACES ALONG THE ROAD ON BY MR. LANE'S HOUSE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SEEN SOMETHING DONE ABOUT, BUT I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING 'CAUSE MR. CARROLL, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE MENTIONED, HE SAID IT WAS NORMAL.
WELL, OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP THE DIRT COMING OUT THE FIELDS INTO THE DITCHES, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT AT A LATER DATE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH 6 26 WHAT THEY DID ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE THINKS ABOUT IT, BUT I THOUGHT THEY WENT WAY BEYOND WHAT I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO DO ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST LIKE A SUPER HIGHWAY NOW GOING THROUGH THERE.
LET'S GO INTO D THE BANK STREET CROSSWALKS.
MS.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? UH, BACK IN AUGUST, UM, WE HAD ANOTHER REQUEST IN THAT AREA REGARDING, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF A CROSSWALK AND THE RESPONSE WE GOT THAT AT THAT TIME 'CAUSE UM, THEY WERE REALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, FROM THE GOVERNMENT CENTER RIGHT TO OVER TO, AND THIS ONE WOULD BE FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BALLPARK.
AND THE RESPONSE FROM VDOT WAS, UM, SIDEWALKS ARE A KEY COMPONENT OF MOCK CROSSWALKS AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE VIRGINIA ASSEMBLY CODE.
SO IT SAID ONE, AT LEAST ONE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE MUST CONNECT ACCESSIBLE ELEMENTS ON A SITE INCLUDING BUILDINGS, FACILITIES, AND SPACES.
SO IF, IF RECEIVING SIDEWALK OR LANDING OR NEEDED, THEY'RE ASKING WHO'S WILLING TO CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK PORTION.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SEEK GRANT FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THAT PROJECT.
'CAUSE THE COUNTY IS WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL PROJECT AND IT'S QUITE COSTLY TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S, UM, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN CAN LOOK INTO AS
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POSSIBLY MAYBE FINDING A GRANT OR SOMETHING AND THEN WE COULD MAYBE WORK WITH VDOT TO SEE IF THEY WILL DO LIKE THE FLASHING BEACONS OR WHATEVER IN THAT AREA.THAT WOULD BE A START IF WE COULD GET THAT GOING.
AND THERE WAS SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
UM, THE STOP, UH, WHITE MARKINGS AT, AT THE UH, STOPLIGHT.
I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
AND JUST FOR RECORD, I, I ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT COMING OFF THE FERRY WHERE RIGHT BEFORE THE SPEED SPEED LIMIT GOES FROM 55 TO 45, I TALKED TO UH, MR. CARROLL ABOUT THIS MM-HMM
UM, RIGHT AT THAT FIRST MARKING YOU HAVE SLOW DOWN AT 45 THERE'S SOME OVER BRUSH INTO THE ROAD THAT A LOT OF LARGER TRUCKS HIT.
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SO MR. CARROLL WAS GONNA LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.
RANCHES YOU ON THE F GOODIES FAULT ROAD AND WELL WE GO BACK TO WHITE MARSH AND SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD FIRST.
I KNOW WHEN WE DID A RIDE THROUGH I SAID SOMETHING TO THE DDOT GUY AND HE SAYS THERE WAS NO SIGN THERE.
BUT IT WAS ONE DAY UNTIL MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
AND I HAD A PICTURE OF IT TO SHOW HIM ON MY PHONE AND IT'S STILL ON THERE AND HE SAID, YOU SURE THAT'S NOT A SIGN THAT SOMEONE PICKED UP SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THROW IT OUT THERE.
AND I ALSO TOLD HIM THAT HE COULD GO BACK THE HOLE WHERE THE CEMENT CAME OVER THERE WAS STILL THERE AND THE SIGN WAS A CURB SIGN FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
AND TWO DAYS LATER WHEN I WENT BY THERE THE SIGN WAS GONE BUT THE PIECE OF CEMENT WAS STILL THERE.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY PROBABLY PICKED IT UP AND WITH THE SIGN CREW THAT'S GOING AROUND THROUGH THE COUNTY NOW UPDATING ALL OF OUR ROAD SIGNS AND CURBS AND STUFF THAT MAYBE ONE WILL GET PUT BACK THERE.
AND GOODNESS FAULT ROAD, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU WENT OUT RIDING ON THAT THE OTHER DAY OR DID YOU UH, UM, MR. SAVAGE AND I WE DID BUT I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
SO IF YOU COULD MAYBE SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT ON THAT.
WHEN YOU GO OFF OF WHITE MARSH ONTO GOODY SPARK ROAD AND ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE CURBS DOWN AND GO BY MR. ROGERS' HOUSE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FROM ALMOST AT ROGERS' DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN AROUND THAT FIELD TILL YOU GET TO THE GOODRICH PLACE DOWN THERE, THE DITCH, EVEN THOUGH THEY WENT BY THERE WITH THAT DITCHING MACHINE ON THE TRUCK IS HIGH OTHER THAN THE ROAD.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE ROAD'S GONNA BE THE DITCH FROM WAY IT LOOKS TO ME.
AND THE LAST TIME I WENT BY THERE, NO ONE HAD DONE ANYTHING TO IT.
AND I ALSO MENTIONED THAT TO THE GUY FROM THE DOCK WHEN WE DID THE RIDE THROUGH ON WHITE MARSH AND THERE WAS A PLACE ON SEXTON ROAD THAT WAS LIKE THAT AND THAT HAS BEEN CLEANED OUT AND THE DRAINAGE PART OF THAT IS DOING LIKE IT ALL THROUGH NOW LOOKS TO ME LIKE, BUT FAR AS GOOD FAULT, NOTHING HAS BEEN TOUCHED ON THAT.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE PICTURES THAT YOU GAVE US AND ILL PACKET FOR THIS NIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS LOOKED AT THE ONES THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE PICTURES ON THE LAST PAGE BACK THERE ON YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL SEE PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT VDOT HAS GOT AND I DON'T THINK THEY'LL EVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS A FRESH CLEAN OUT DITCH THEY CALL IT.
AND IF YOU TAKE NOTICE TO THE HIGHWAY SIDE OF THE DITCH, THE DIRT IS PILED UP RIGHT THERE.
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SO THE FIRST GOOD RAIN YOU GET AND IT FLOODS THE ROADS LONG THERE, IT'S GONNA PUT THE DIRT RIGHT BACK IN THE DITCH.SO THEY'RE REALLY JUST SPENDING MONEY FOR NOTHING AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THIS, THAT THAT WAS A GOOD THING FOR THE 0.8 TONIGHT BECAUSE WHY PUT, WHY ARE THEY SPENDING THE MONEY TO CLEAN A DITCH ACHE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE THE DIRT BETWEEN THE BLACKTOP AND THE DITCH? AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF MY CONCERNS EVER SINCE BDOT HAS GONE TO ONE OF THOSE SPINNERS.
I HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST WHERE THEY CAME ALONG WITH ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT ACTUALLY PICKED THIS PARTICULAR UH, DIRT UP RIGHT.
AND PUT IT ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND MOVED IT AWAY.
SO ARE THEY DOING THAT? ARE THEY JUST LEAVING IT THERE? THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW.
THIS WAS DONE BY THE TRUCK THAT'S BEEN IN THE COUNTY ALL THROUGH THE SUMMER ON DIFFERENT ROADS.
BUT IT IS CREEP ALONG AND YOU GOT SPIN ON THE SIDE OF IT AND SO THEY NEED TO THROW THE DIRT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THEM.
THEY NEED TO CLEAN THE DITCH OUT.
WHEN A GRADER ONCE IN A WHILE, LIKE THEY USED TO DO YEARS AGO, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE SOME OF OUR FLOODING ROADS.
BUT YOU WON'T EVER CONVINCE MR. CARROLL OF THAT.
I HAVE TALKED TO HIM SEVERAL TIMES ON IT AND IT'S LIKE BUTTING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE TABLETOP.
BUT I GUESS IT'S GONNA TAKE A GOOD ACCIDENT FOR SOMEBODY TO GET KILLED AND THE WATER ON SOME OF THESE ROADS AND THEN THAT IT MIGHT BE A SCHOOL BUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO TOOK THESE PICTURES, I GUESS VDOT VDOT TOOK THEM AND SENT 'EM TO YOU.
AND IF I HAD BEEN VDOT TAKING THE PICTURES TO SEND THEM TO A COMMITTEE, I WOULD'VE BEEN ASHAMED TO DO THAT THE WAY THESE LOOK.
BUT I'M NOT OTTS
ARE THESE PICTURES TAKEN FROM THE
AND THEN UM, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S THIS FIRST ONE IS EXACTLY, BUT THIS, THE MIDDLE ONE LOOKED LIKE IT'S HEADING TOWARDS THE FERRY AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS LIKE THIS HEADING BACK TOWARDS TOWN WHERE YOU WENT TO THE, TO GO DOWN TO THE MARINA.
WELL THAT MIGHT, LIKE I WOULD, I, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DRIVE FROM THE FERRY, YOU KNOW, TO THE STOPLIGHT IN TOWN EVEN FURTHER IF YOU LIKE TO SEE IF UM, THAT EXTRA DIRT THAT'S ON EACH SIDE OF THE DITCH, SEE IF IT'S CLEAR, THAT'D BE FINE.
BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THAT IT HADN'T BEEN REMOVED.
WHAT THE SPINOFF KICKS UP IN THAT AL THAT THEY HAVE FEEDING INTO THE TRUCK.
THAT'S ALL THAT THEY CARRY AWAY FROM THAT.
AND YOU CAN GO IN FRANCIS, I POINT THIS, SAY YOU GO IN MOST ANY COUNTY OTHER THAN SURY COUNTY AND SUSSEX COUNTY AND YOU WON'T FIND ROADS AND THE SHAPE WITH THE DITCHES LIKE WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY.
AND I THINK IT'S A CRYING CHAIN AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO EVER GET BEAT OUT TO DO ANYTHING.
BUT SO FAR AS MR. CARROLL, EVERY TIME I SAY SOMETHING TO HIM, OH IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR YEARS.
THERE'S NO CHANGE YOU'LL EVER MAKE IN IT AND YOU CAN'T MAKE A CHANGE IF YOU DON'T TRY.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY OVER TOP OF HIM THAT MAYBE WE CAN SEND A WORD TOO TO GET 'EM TO COME AND MEET WITH US AND ANOTHER TALK TO THEM.
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE COULD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'LL EVER CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE COUNTY AS LONG AS HE IS THE HEAD OF THE COUNTY.
HE'S GOT A POSITION OVER THERE IN WILLIAMSBURG AND HE COULD KILL LESS BUT ON THIS SIDE IN WATER AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GRIP TO ME BECAUSE ALL OF OUR TAX DOLLARS THAT WE PAID TOWARD HIGHWAYS AND ALL IS DONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JAMES RIVER.
YOU SEE VERY LITTLE IN SURY COUNTY.
I GUESS THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD TO IT.
BUT IT JUST MAKES ME FEEL KIND OF BAD WHEN YOU RIDE THROUGH OTHER COUNTIES IN THE SAME STATE
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AND YOU DON'T SEE ROADS LIKE OURS.AND ON A WHITE MARSH, HE WAS UP AT THE CURB WITH THE BOOM AX, I THINK IT WAS A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AFTER WE HAD TO RIDE THROUGH AND HE CUT THOSE CEDARS BACK REAL GOOD WHERE IT HAD STUCK OUT ANY ROAD THAT WAS HITTING THEM AND ALL.
BUT, AND HE ALSO DONE THE CURB DOWN THERE FOR ME, THE BLIND CURB.
BUT ON UP PAST WHERE THOSE CEDAR TREES WERE THAT HE WORKED ON WHERE THE GAS LINE IS, IT'S BEEN TREES GROWING UP ON THE FIELD SIDE RIGHT AT A LIGHT POLE AND IT'S STICKING OUT IN THE ROAD AND NOW IF YOU GET MEET A VEHICLE ALONG THERE, IT'S GONNA POP YOU RIGHT IN THE WINDSHIELD.
'CAUSE THIS HAPPENED TO ME AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN THEY JUST THIS PAST SUNDAY, UH, SUNDAY BEFORE LAST, I FORGET WHICH NOW THAT THEY WERE OUT MOWING AND THEY WERE CUTTING A LITTLE BIT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DITCH BUT THEY COULD HAVE MOWED THAT DOWN OR YOU COULD HAVE TOOK CARE OF IT WITH THE BOOM AX BUT IT STILL THERE.
AND YOU SAID THAT'S UP FROM YOUR DRIVEWAY? IT'S ON PAST MY HOUSE.
GO AROUND THE CURB GO ACROSS, YOU GO UP PAST THE CURB AT MY HOUSE.
AND THEN YOU GET TO THE GAS LINE WHERE THEY JUST REDONE.
IF YOU JUST AS YOU PASS THAT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE FIELD SIDE AND IT'S NO PROBLEM SEEING IT.
AND APPARENTLY THEY PICKED THE MOW UP WHEN THEY GO LONG DOWN FOR CUTTING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DITCH BANK.
BUT I WAS LOOKING AT IT AGAIN SUNDAY AND I LOOKED AT IT AGAIN YESTERDAY AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE WITH THAT.
AND I HAD MENTIONED THAT TO HIM THE SAME DAY THAT HE WAS THERE WITH THE BOOM MAPS AND ALL AND HE SAYS I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING ON THIS ROAD UP ON THIS END TODAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THAT TO ADD ON ANY OF THAT THAT I HAD BROUGHT UP? BUT I KNOW THIS IS A JUST LIKE BEATING A CAT TO DEATH BUT I CAN'T GET OVER THE ROAD ON WHITE MARSH WHERE MR. LANE LIVES AND THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO TAKE THE WATER OFF THAT ROAD AND THAT ROAD FLOODS QUICKER THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE COUNTY SO FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT ONE OF THOSE SENSORS THERE AND I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO SOME TALKING OTHER THAN ME ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A BAD SECTION OF THE ROAD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TOO FAST OR TOO FAR PAST MR.
I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR FRANCIS WITH WAY IT IS.
AND OF COURSE MR. CARROLL TODAY WE DID THE RIDE THROUGH AND I WAS TALKING TO HIM BUT WELL THEY'VE CUT THE TIMBER ALONG DOWN THERE.
HE SAID THERE'S NOTHING TO PULL THE WATER OUT.
THEY CUT THE TIMBER BUT THE ROAD WAS FLOODING BEFORE THEY EVER CUT THE TIMBER AND IT'S JUST GONNA FLOOD BOY NOW.
AND THAT ROAD HAS GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT BECAUSE ANYBODY FROM THAT END OF THE WORLD IS WORKING AT THE POWER PLANT USES WHITE MARSH.
AND I KNOW MR. LANE HAS BROUGHT IT UP SEVERAL TIMES AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THEY CAN DO UNLESS THEY DO.
LIKE I HAD TOLD HIM A MILLION TIMES CLEAN THOSE LEAD OUT DITCHES OFF THAT TAKES THE WATER FROM THE ROAD AND HE'S NOT FOR DOING ANY OF THAT.
WELL WE ARE TRESPASSING WHEN WE GO ON THE OTHER GUY'S LAND PAST THE DITCH.
THAT'S NOT SO, BUT THAT'S JUST HIS THEORY.
AND UP UNTIL HE CAME TO SURREY COUNTY, THOSE LEAD OFF DITCHES WAS CLEANED OUT EVERY YEAR OR TWO EVER SINCE HE TOOK OVER HAS NOT BEEN THE FIRST ONE.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN DOING THE PAPERWORK THAT HE'S GOT TO DO, JUST GET IT DONE.
THERE'S MONEY THAT'S PROBATED FOR THE CLEAN DELETE ALL
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DITCHES I FOUND OUT AND THE OTHER COUNTIES AND THERE IS IN SIR, BUT HE USES IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND I THINK IT'S MIGHT OF BAD THAT YOU GOT PEOPLE LIVING ON THE ROAD AND PEOPLE GOT GO TO WORK ON THE ROAD LIKE THAT AND DRIVE THROUGH WATER HALF OF THE YEAR.AND THAT'S ABOUT THE WAY IT IS.
I THINK MR. LANE WILL AGREE WITH ME ON THAT.
EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND IT'S FLOOD THAT AND UH, ALSO ABOUT, UH, A MILE FROM ROUTE 10 IN THAT CURVE AT THE KINS AND WEST PROPERTY.
HE SAID HE WAS GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT BUT HE HADN'T DONE ANYTHING THE OTHER DAY.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH UH, PUTTING ONE OF THE SENSORS AT WHITE MARSH IS THE FACT THAT MR. KEEN SAID THAT UH, IT NEED GOOD UH, SATELLITE COMMUNICATION.
AND UH, WHITE MARSH HAS A LOT OF DEAD SPOTS AND THAT AREA IS A DEAD SPOT.
SO THE SENSOR WOULDN'T SERVE MUCH GOOD THERE.
CLEANING THE DITCHES OUT WILL, BUT THE SENSOR REALLY WON'T DO US ANY GOOD.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE 'EM FEED THE DITCHES OUT.
WOULDN WATER WILL GO OFF THE ROAD.
I COULD KILL LESS ABOUT THE SENSORS.
BUT CAN I ASK YOU MORE QUESTION? YES.
UM, I I THINK THAT, OH
I WAS GONNA SAY I FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP PUSHING FORWARD LIKE THE DIGIT AND EVERYTHING, BUT LIKE REGARDING THE SENSORS, UM, I I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT GONNA TELL US ANYTHING WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA HEAVY RAIN, IT'S GONNA FLOOD LIKE EVERYWHERE.
SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOOD TO EXPERIMENT FOR THE THREE YEARS BUT THEN AFTER THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST PUTTING MONEY INTO THESE SENSORS AND WE'RE JUST GONNA LIKE, IT'S GONNA TELL US EVERYTHING THAT WE ALREADY KNOW.
I MEAN YOU, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S STARTING TO RAIN.
OKAY THIS ROAD IS GONNA FLOOD, THIS ROAD IS GONNA FLOOD AND IT'S JUST GONNA TELL US UNNECESSARY INFORMATION.
I MEAN IT'S GOOD TO HAVE LIKE THE BACKUP MEASURES BUT OTHER THAN THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S, WE COULD PUT THE MONEY TOWARDS OTHER THINGS SUCH AS BUILDING THESE DITCHES AND UM, FIXING SOME OF THE FLOODING AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP AND SAYING IT.
I HAD IT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND BUT I FIGURED WE'D GIVE IT A SHOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA COST THE COUNT ANYTHING FOR THREE YEARS.
BUT IF IT'S GONNA COST THE COUNTY $1,500 FOR AFTER THE THIRD YEAR, I THINK THEY NEED TO CUT THE CABLE AND LIKE YOU SAID PUT THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE IT'S NEEDED BECAUSE ACTUALLY THAT'S JUST GOING AWAY MONEY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO HER WHAT SHE WAS SAYING? OH I AGREE BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH THE THREE YEAR EXPERIMENT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING.
I AGREE WITH THAT BUT UNLESS IT REVEALS SOMETHING REALLY NEW TO US, WE MIGHT NEED TO RECONSIDER IT AFTER THREE YEARS AND EVEN DURING THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD, IF THEY SOME WAY THEY ARE DAMAGED, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? THEY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE.
BUT THEY SAY IT NOW BUT I'M TALKING IF IT THEN THEY MAY COME TO THE COUNTY.
YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE TO THESE SENSORS.
WE NEED CAN 'EM RIGHT THEN IS THE WAY I SEE IT.
'CAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE WAS SAYING DOWN HERE.
I AGREE TOO THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE ANYTHING.
ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO DO IS LET SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY KNOW THAT THAT ROAD FLOODS.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING IT'S GOING TO DO IN MY EYESIGHT BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MR. SAVAGE AND I DID RIDE OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE MADE THE REPAIRS, UM, AND INSTALLED THE NEW PIPING SO THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
H UM, STREET SIGNS AND INTERSECTIONS.
I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED THOSE UM, WHEN WE WERE HERE IN SEPTEMBER.
I THINK WE WERE TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY, UM, COMPLETE WITH THE INVENTORY OF THE STREET SIGN INTERSECTIONS.
UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND WE HAVE, UM, COMPARED COMPLETE, WE UM, COMPOSED THE LIST AND COMPARED IT AGAINST WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR STOCKPILE VERSUS WHAT WE NEED TO ORDER.
AND WE SENT OUT FOR A QUOTE FOR THE
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PURCHASE OF THOSE SIGNS.ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WE'VE RECEIVED INVOICE.
THE SIGNS ARE BEING FABRICATED AND WE SHOULD RECEIVE THOSE SHORTLY AND MAYBE BY TIME WE GET BACK HERE IN JANUARY WE CAN INFORM YOU THAT THE SIGNS ARE BEING INSTALLED.
I KNOW VDOT IS PUTTING THEM UP ON THE HIGHWAY.
THEY'LL SIGNS FOR LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CURBS AND ALL AND THEM BOOGERS ARE BRIGHT WHEN YOUR LIGHT SHINES ON THEM AT NIGHTTIME.
BUT I WAS GLAD TO SEE HIM WHEN THEY STARTED TO DOING THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE TRAVEL THE ROAD AT NIGHTTIME AND DON'T REMEMBER A PERIOD UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE.
AND THEN ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT? IF NOT, WE'LL GO INTO THE DI QUARTERLY REPORT.
THE QUARTERLY REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DURING THE OCTOBER MEETING IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE ALONG WITH HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, WHEN YOU GET A MOMENT YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH AND IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH ME AND I'LL CONTACT DDOT.
SO IT HAS EVERYBODY GONE THROUGH THAT AND LOOKED AT IT, VIEWED IT? YES I HAVE.
JUST ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO BRING UP AND GIVE TO FRANCIS? NO.
I GUESS WE CAN GO INTO OTHER, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE OTHER, UM, A QUESTION WAS ASKED, UH, CONCERN WAS GENERATED LAST MEETING REGARDING UM, SCHOOL BUSES PASSING IN THE BACONS CASTLE AREA.
UM, WHILE THE SCHOOL BUS HAS STOPPED, UM, I DID GET A RESPONSE BACK FROM VDOT AND I'LL READ TO YOU WHAT WAS, UM, FORWARDED TO ME THAT VDOT DOES NOT HAVE A SIGN AT ADVISING DRIVERS NOT TO PASS A STOP SCHOOL BUS.
THIS IS A STATE LAW AND IS A DRIVING VIOLATION, WHICH SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
VDO DOES NOT UTILIZE SCHOOL BUS STOP AHEAD WARNING SIGNS WHICH ARE UTILIZED ONLY WHEN THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE FOR SCHOOL BUS STOP.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, THEY SAID THEY CAN HAVE A SITE DISTANCE REVIEW ON ROUTE 10 SOUTHBOUND TO SEE IF IT MEETS REQUIREMENTS FOR A SIGN.
HOWEVER THEY BELIEVE ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE IS AVAILABLE AND THE SUGGESTION IS REQUESTING THAT THE SHERIFF HAVE A DEPUTY PRESENT DURING, DURING THE, UM, TIME OF PICKUP AND DROP OFF.
UM, IN CASE THIS OCCURS IN THAT AREA.
CAN I SPEAK ON THAT? YES, SIR.
UM, YEAH, I KNOW, UM, I THINK I SPOKE TO UM, ONE OF THE PARENTS MYSELF AND I THINK ONE, UM, ONE OTHER, UM, DEPUTIES A DEPUTY HAD SPOKEN TO PARENTS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACT NUMBER OF DAYS THAT UM, THE DEPUTIES HAVE BEEN, UM, OBSERVING AND BEEN SITTING OUT THERE.
I KNOW UM, SOME OF THE DEPUTIES BEEN COMING IN EARLY IN THE MORNING TO GET THERE IN THE MORNING AND SIT THERE, UM, AND OBSERVE THE BUS STOP AS WELL AS, UM, LEAVING THE SCHOOL COMPLEX AND, AND HEADING OUT THEIR WAY EARLY IN THE, IN THE AFTERNOON, UM, TO OBSERVE IT.
BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS 'CAUSE IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, UM, SPEAKING TO THE PARENTS OF THE CHILDREN WHO'S GETTING OFF THERE AT THE STORE.
BUT, BUT THE DEPUTIES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, UM, TRYING TO ENFORCE, UM, THOSE VIOLATORS WHO ARE PASSING THE SCHOOL BUS OUT THERE IN THE THING.
BUT I HAVE TO LOOK IN THE SYSTEM 'CAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, LOGGING IT IN TO THE SYSTEM, THE TIMES THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT OFF HAND, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, UM, ENFORCING THAT, TRYING TO ENFORCE IT.
AND I'VE SEEN THEM THERE QUITE OFTEN 'CAUSE I LIVE OUT THAT AREA.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
THIS WOULD BE, NO, IT'S NOT UNFINISHED.
FRANCIS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, NO SIR.
WE GO BACK INTO OTHER, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ON THE OTHER THAT NEEDS TO COME UP
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BE YOUR NEW BUSINESS THAT CAN'T BE YOUR NEW BUSINESS?UH, MS. BAILEY, MY WIFE RISE THE FERRY ALMOST EVERY DAY TO WILLIAMSBURG AND, AND HOME.
UM, AND I'VE GONE OVER QUITE FREQUENTLY WITH MY FATHER WHO LIVES IN WILLIAMSBURG.
IS THERE A REASON WHY? I BELIEVE IT'S THE POCAHONTAS IS NOT RUNNING DURING, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS OUTAGE IN THE MORNING, IN THE EVENING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE MR. CALHOUN, I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT IF POSSIBLE.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN IN THE DOCK FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF WEEKS.
UM, AND IT'S JUST ON BOTH SIDES.
I CAUGHT THE SIX, UM, I THINK IT WAS A SIX 10 THE OTHER DAY AND I GOT THERE A FEW MINUTES EARLY AND WAS ON THE BRIDGE AND BY THE TIME THE OTHER FERRY CAME ACROSS AND LET OFF IT, IT WAS FAR BACK UP THE HILL AS FAR AS I COULD SEE.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHEN I KNOW THEY SPLIT THE SHIFTS AT THE POWER PLANT TO ALLOW FOR, FOR THE TRAFFIC.
BUT IT'S JUST THAT THAT CAN BE A DANGEROUS, UH, AREA IS ALSO, AND ON THE WILLIAMSBURG SIDE, EVEN AS, EVEN AS TONIGHT MY WIFE CAME OVER, UM, AND SHE WAS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO THE BRICK HOUSE BEFORE YOU GET, WELL, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE UM, UM, THE SECURITY STATION.
ONLY BECAUSE, UM, I THINK IT WAS THE WILLIAMSBURG THAT WAS RUNNING ALONG WITH THE OTHER LARGER AREAS.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A REASON.
UH, 'CAUSE UH, SYRINGE CAN BE IN LONG OUTAGES FOR THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
I KNOW THEY'RE TWICE A YEAR, BUT REGARDLESS IT'S JUST IN, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS, AT LEAST TWO MONTHS A PIECE.
SO THAT'S FOUR MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR WE GOT A LOT OF BACKUP AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FERRY ALREADY IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING IN WATER BRIDGE.
BUT, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IF Y'ALL HAD HEARD ANYTHING WHY THE SMALLER AREA IS RUNNING.
THEY WERE DOING THAT, THEY WERE DOING THAT BACK IN THE SUMMER WHEN THE LAST TIME THAT MY WIFE AND I WENT ACROSS THERE AND I ASKED HER, I SAID, WELL WHY IS POCAHONTAS DOING SITTING OVER THERE? AND THAT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS AGO.
AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME THAT AND I TOLD 'EM THAT I HAD NO IDEA.
MY WIFE ASKED ME EVERY TIME SHE COMES HOME LATE, BUT I UNDERSTAND NOW.
DID THE, HAS THE OUTAGE ENDED? DID IT END HERE RECENTLY? LAST DAY, SIR.
AND UM, YOU STILL GOING AND THE SUPER DECEMBER I BELIEVE? MM-HMM
I THOUGHT IT MAYBE ENDED EARLY.
I KNOW WE WAS DOING SOME, NO, I THINK THIS IS A 68 60 DAY OUTAGE SHERIFF.
I KNEW THEY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN THE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.
SO THEY'RE BACK TO BACK AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ONE IN, I'M SORRY NOT WE, I'M RETIRED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE IN THE FALL OF NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON IN JANUARY STARTING EARLY.
THEY GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
I MEAN, WHETHER OUTAGES RELATED OR NOT.
I MEAN CURRENTLY MY, I'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S 2,500 CONTRACTORS THERE.
SO WHEN THEY'RE DOING THIS LICENSE RENEWAL, ALL THIS WORK IN EVERY OUTAGE AND EVEN IN BETWEEN OUTAGES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MORE PEOPLE THERE THAN THE NORMAL OPERATING FACILITY.
SO, WELL I WAS THINKING THAT THEY HAD AT LEAST TWO OUTAGES EVERY YEAR.
UM, I THINK ONE OUT OF EITHER THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THERE'S ONLY ONE OUTAGE BECAUSE THEY, PEOPLE FROM SURREY GO TO EITHER NORTH ANNA OR THE ONE IN, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA.
AND IT, IT JUST CAN'T MAN 'EM WITH UH, COMPANY EMPLOYEES RUNNING THAT WAY.
MR. MR. COWAN, MAYBE YOU CAN SHINE SOME LIGHT ON THIS.
WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE STATE DOING THIS STUDY ON THE BRIDGE PROPOSAL? ON THE WHOLE BRIDGE PROPOSAL? I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANYTHING YET.
I KNOW THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PROPOSED AND UM, AT LEAST, UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD THROUGH THE COUNTY STAFF OR ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER WHERE IT STANDS AT THIS MOMENT.
HAS THAT COME UP SINCE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THE COUNTY
I BE HONEST WITH YOU, I LIKE THE PRAIRIE BUT I KNOW IT'S SLOW AND I REALLY HATE TO SEE A BRIDGE PUT IN BECAUSE WHEN IT DOES WE GONNA LOSE OUR COUNTRY FAR AS THE COUNTRY PART OF SARA COUNTY.
IT'S GONNA BE BUILT UP WITH HOUSES.
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IT'S REALLY GONNA SERVE MORE THE, UH, THE FOLKS IN THE BACONS CASTLE AREA MORE SO THAN ANYBODY ELSE.IF IT'S BUILT THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT HAVING TO BE AND THEN YOU HAVE UH, PROBABLY A TOLL YEAH.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THE OTHER IS NOT GONNA GO INTO DO BUSINESS SHERIFF? HAVE YOU KNOW ANYTHING ON ANY GRANTS THAT UH, YEAH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE UM, THE DM WE DID RECEIVE, UM, THE DMV UM, HIGHWAY, UM, SAFETY GRANT.
UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY INCREASED US BY A HUNDRED HOURS.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE 400 HOURS OF, UM, SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
THE DEPUTIES CAN BE OUT PATROLLING THE COUNTY, SLOWING DOWN SPEEDERS, DOING SAFETY CHECKS, MAKING SURE PEOPLE WEARING THE SEAT BELTS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
AND I THINK THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING COMING UP HERE IN THE, THIS MONTH IN, IN THE NEAR, VERY NEAR FUTURE ON UM, SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINES OF A CHECK, SAFETY CHECK CHECKING DETAIL.
BUT, BUT MOST DEFINITELY WE HAD AN INCREASE IN A HUNDRED HOURS JUST, UM, WE IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE GRANT PROCESS FOR THIS YEAR NOW.
WHAT IS THE LAW ON THAT NOW? YOU GOT TO WEAR 'EM
I KNOW I HEARD SOMETHING ON THE NEWS ONE DAY, BUT PEOPLE IN THE BACK DIDN'T USED TO HAVE TO WEAR 'EM.
YOU HEARD SOMEBODY SAYING SOMETHING JULY ONE, YOU'D HAVE TO WEIGH OUT THAT TOO.
WHAT ABOUT A DOCTOR CERTIFICATE FOR THE EXEMPT YOU FROM ONE? WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT A DOCTOR'S EXEMPT, BUT I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HAVEN'T RAN ACROSS IN 27 YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, STOP ME.
I'D SHOW YOU ONE IF YOU GOT A DOCTOR
I ONE, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS, I DIDN'T EITHER.
I WOULD HEAR THAT SEATBELT DING DING DING.
DI BUT I GUESS IF YOU GOT LIKE A PACEMAKER GOT SOMETHING RIGHT THERE, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE A, I COULD SEE, I KNOW IT.
IN OTHER WORDS WHERE IF YOU GOT ONE A LETTER FROM YOUR DOCTOR, THEN YOU CAN GET BY WITH IT.
I WEAR ONE PART OF THE TIME AND PART OF THE TIME I DON'T, I GOT RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS REAL BAD IN BOTH OF MY SHOULDERS.
SOME DAYS I CAN'T EVEN HARDLY TICK MY ARM UP BECAUSE THE SHOULDERS WORKED SO BAD, HURT SO BAD.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE ARTHRITIS DOCTOR TOLD ME I NEED TO QUIT WEARING A SEATBELT, PULLING ACROSS THE SHOULDER.
AND THAT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND DON'T TELL NOBODY ELSE EVERYBODY GONNA BE GOING.
WHATEVER YOU SAY, I'D RATHER HURT.
'CAUSE I KNOW IN SOME STATES I'VE NEVER HEARD A DOCTOR'S CERTIFICATE.
STEAL A TICKET YOU DON'T HAVE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ALONG WITH THAT, IF NOT SCHOOL CONCERNS? I DON'T HAVE ANY SCHOOL CONCERNS.
AND C, PUBLIC HIGHWAY GENERAL CONCERNS? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? NO.
UM, NOW THAT THE LEAVES HAVE FALLEN OR BEGAN TO FALL, YOU HEAR A LOT OF HEAVY TRAFFIC MOTORCYCLES GOING DOWN 31 BETWEEN THE STOPLIGHT AND THE FERRY, ESPECIALLY TRYING TO CATCH THAT FERRY.
IS THAT BEING PATROLLED? SO EVERY SO OFTEN? UM, I CAN GET THE, GET THE GUYS TO DO IT.
I KNOW THEY, I KNOW THEY DO PATROL OUT THERE, BUT I WILL GET THEM TO ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, OUTAGE TIMES
I'VE SEEN, I MEAN JUST RECENTLY, PEOPLE PASSING ON THE DOUBLE LINE.
PEOPLE PASSING ON, UM, A SOLID LINE ON THEIR SIDE AND, AND A, UH, DOTTED LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE PASSING, TRYING TO CATCH THAT FERRY OR GETTING TO WORK FROM ONE OF THE TWO.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UNDER D SO I GUESS WE CAN GO IN AND LOOK AT OUR DATES FOR NEXT YEAR'S MEETINGS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE DATES ON THOSE?
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IT'S TOO EARLY TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT.MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL SAY, UM, MR. WADE DID INFORM ME THAT I THINK NOVEMBER THE 11TH, I BELIEVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE WEEK BEFORE, THE WEEK AFTER.
WE HAVE ELECTION DAY IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND THEN I THINK THE FOLLOWING WEEK IS SOMETHING ELSE.
SO, UM, I WAS SUPPOSED TO PUT TENTATIVE FOR NOVEMBER THE 11TH.
SO, UM, I GUESS MAYBE IF, IF YOU ALL ACCEPTABLE OF THE OTHER DATES, WE CAN APPROVE THOSE AND WE'LL PUT TENTATIVE ON NOVEMBER AND FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AT A LATER DATE.
WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE FOR TONIGHT BEFORE YOU GET THAT FAMOUS WORD.
UM, IF WE COULD, IF YOU WANNA, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JANUARY, MARCH, JUNE AND SEPTEMBER MEETING DATE? YEAH.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT NOW? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE DATES OF JANUARY, MARCH, JUNE AND SEPTEMBER FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR AND NOVEMBER, UM, DATE IS 10.
YOU GONNA HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
IT'LL ALL BE KNOWN AS ANY I A AYE.
HAVE IT MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE STUDENTS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO, UH, ADD TO THE MEETING BEFORE WE GO.
I, MY PIECE, BUT THE ONLY THING ABOUT THE FUTURE MEETINGS IS I'LL BE COLLEGE.
I KNOW, UM, I DUNNO IF I WANNA GO, I DUNNO.
LIKE FOR SEPTEMBER AND NOVEMBER, I MEAN, I'LL ESTIMATE IT, BUT I, I I'LL KNOW CLOSER TO, DID I SHOW YOU GOING COLLEGE? OH, IN VIRGINIA.
BUT I WANT TO WELCOME YOU BOARD TONIGHT.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UM, I'M NOT SURE ALSO ABOUT THE LATER DATES IN THE YEAR, BUT I KNOW JANUARY I AND I SHOULD DEFINITELY BARELY MAKE THAT ONE.
IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT, JUST NOTIFY MS. DAVID ALRIGHT.
SO WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A QUO.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE Y'ALL'S FACES AND DON'T FORGET, IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT'S CONCERNING YOU ON THE HIGHWAY AS FAR AS RELATED TO THE ROADS OR THE DITCHES, EITHER ONE, DON'T HESITATE BRINGING IT UP.
THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO.
MS. BAILEY, DO THEY HAVE, UM, A LIST OF US AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS? UM, I CAN GET THAT TOO.
CAN YOU UPDATE THAT? MAYBE IF THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT THEIR NAMES AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS AND THEN WE SEND IT OUT.
JUST SO YOU KNOW WHO, WHO TO CALL, WHAT YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN, OKAY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION YOUR AJOUR.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
AND IF WE CAN, YOU GUYS, AYE, AYE, AYE.
AND YOUR NOSE THERE? AYE HAVE IT.
THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS