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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE NOVEMBER 17TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER AT THIS TIME, WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND AND RECYCLE PLEDGE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A ROLL CALL CHAIR WOODEN HERE.
MR. BROCK, YOU SAID HE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MEETING AGENDA IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OF CORRECTIONS.
AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE MEETING AGENDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THE MEETING AGENDA IS, IS ADOPTED AS PRESENTED.
NEXT, UH, CONSENT ITEMS? I DO NOT SEE ANY CONSENT ITEMS. I DO BELIEVE MR. WADE SAID WE ARE NOT PREPARED WITH THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS.
AND SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
MR. WADE, EMERGENCE EMERGING TECHNOLOGY ZONING, DISTRICT ORDINANCE UPDATE? YES, SIR.
AS YOU ALL MAY RECALL IT, IT WAS IN JANUARY OF, OF THIS YEAR AT OUR JANUARY MEETING, AND WE, WE MADE A MOTION TO BRING FORTH ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT, UM, AT THE, AT THAT MEETING, UM, AT, AND, UH, THEY, WE WERE WORKING ON SOME ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND WE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THOSE AND WE WANTED TO PRESENT SOME OF THOSE UPDATES TO YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UH, WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS, OUR, OUR, OUR OTHER LEGAL COUNSEL, MS. PERKINS IS GONNA BE HERE TO INTRO, I GUESS INTRODUCE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AND GO OVER THE OVERVIEW, UH, OF THE ORDINANCE WITH YOU ALL.
UM, I'LL PUT THE EXISTING WHERE SOME SCREEN YOU, YOU ALL HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY ON, IT'S ONLINE ON UNICODE.
AS A COUPLE OF CLICKS, FIND YOUR STATE, VIRGINIA, THE COUNTY SURY, GO THROUGH YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES THERE.
GO DOWN TO YOUR ZONING DIS ZONING ORDINANCE, ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE THE MARINE TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICTS RIGHT HERE.
IS THAT, DOES THAT SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN AS WELL? YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO AS MR. WADE INDICATED, UH, BACK ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SEEMS LIKE A LIFETIME AGO ON JANUARY 27TH, 2025, UM, AT YOUR PC MEETING, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED, UM, IN A SEVEN OH MOTION TO BRING FORTH ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT.
UM, AT THAT TIME, MR. WADE SHARED, UH, MR. WADE AND I SHARED THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS AND WOULD BE ENGAGING OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO FULLY IDENTIFY UPDATES NEEDED AND DRAFT AMENDMENTS.
AND THE, THAT THIS WOULD BE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, GIVEN OTHER PRIORITIES OF BOTH INTERNAL STAFF AND OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS AND OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
UM, THESE AMENDMENTS WERE KIND OF PLACED ON THE BACK BURNER.
AND SO, UM, AGAIN, GIVEN, GIVEN OTHER PRIORITIES, AND WE HAD NO PENDING APPLICATIONS AND STILL TO, AT THIS TIME HAVE NO PENDING APPLICATIONS.
SO THERE WASN'T AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO, TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT WE NEVER LOST SIGHT OF IT.
UM, AND NOW THAT IT'S APPROACHING THE END OF THE YEAR, IT, IT'S MY BEST PRACTICE TO NOT LET MOTIONS, TO INITIATE AMENDMENTS KIND OF LINGER ON AND ON AND ON.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I REQUESTED THAT OUR OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL THAT ASSIST ME ON LAND USE MATTERS KIND OF SHIFTS.
SOME OTHER PRIORITIES HE WAS WORKING ON, UH, FOR THE COUNT ON THINGS FOR THE COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND KIND OF REFOCUS ON THE, UM, AMENDMENTS TO THE EMERGENCE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT.
UH, SO AGAIN, LEGAL PROCESS IS IN REVIEW.
I'M ACTIVELY WORKING WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL, UM, TO
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GET PROPOSED AMENDMENTS DRAFTED IN A FINAL DRAFT FORM.UM, THAT WOULD THEN COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND OUR OBJECTIVE, UM, OUR OBJECTIVE IS THAT THESE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR DECEMBER 17TH MEETING.
UM, AND AS, UH, AS SOON AS THE DRAFT HAS COMPLETED LEGAL REVIEW, WE'LL GET YOU A FULL DRAFT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED SEVERAL AREAS.
UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH A SUMMARY AND, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW FOLLOWING ALONG.
AGAIN, YOU DO NOT HAVE DRAFT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE BECAUSE THAT, THAT DRAFT LANGUAGE IS STILL UNDER LEGAL REVIEW.
SO THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT AGAIN, WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, AND AS SOON AS THAT DRAFT IS, IS FINALIZED, WE WILL SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU IN ADVANCE OF THE DECEMBER 17TH MEETING.
UM, AND WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND DULY ADVERTISE IN THE WAY WE'RE REQUIRED TO ADVERTISE BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO A GENERAL AREA OF THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR AMENDMENTS IS, UM, GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND IT'S JUST, AGAIN, AN EXAMINATION OF AUTHORITIES UNDER VIRGINIA CODE AND DETERMINING WHETHER, UH, ANY CHANGES THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS MADE SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE ET DISTRICT.
UM, WHICH WAS IN JANUARY OF 23, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, JANUARY 23, 24, 24, NO, I'M SORRY, SINCE JANUARY OF 24 IF THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, ANY CHANGES THAT NECESSITATE MAKING AMENDMENTS TO WHAT IS IN THE ET ORDINANCE.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE FIRST GENERAL CATEGORY, UM, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, AGAIN, WITH OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL.
UM, GENERAL AREA NUMBER TWO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE THE USES.
AND I'M GOING TO SCROLL, LET ME SEE IF I CAN, SO HERE YOU HAVE, UH, SO THE USES ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO, INTO, YOU KNOW, THREE, UH, WELL, I'M BREAKING THEM DOWN INTO THREE AREAS, UH, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
SO THE FIRST ARE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AS A PRINCIPLE USE, AND YOU SEE THOSE RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU HAVE CIVIC TYPE USES, COMMERCIAL TYPE USES, AND THEN INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES.
UM, SO THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE FIRST AREA THAT WE ARE LOOKING, UM, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
AND, UM, SO PART OF THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WERE DONE FOR THE ONE APPLICATION AND THE ONE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, UH, THE REZONING THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, TO AN ET DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT.
UM, PART OF THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS, AND, AND SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL SOME OF THIS IS THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN USES THAT UNDER THE ORDINANCE WERE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? BUT THE APPLICANT AS AGAIN, AS PART OF THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS, UM, SAID, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THESE BY RIGHT UNDER THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE ARE AGREEING THAT THESE AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BY, RIGHT.
THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO HAPPEN BY AS AN ACCESSORY USE OR NOT, NOT AT ALL.
UM, SO KIND OF USING THOSE PROFFERED CONDITIONS AS, AS A, A BENCHMARK, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT APPLICANT.
UH, BUT I CAN SAY THAT IN MY OBSERVATION, THE DECISION TO PROFFER AWAY CERTAIN BY RIGHT USES WAS BASED ON COMMENTS RECEIVED, UH, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BY THE PUBLIC DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
SO WE DECIDED THOSE WERE, THAT WAS A GOOD PLACE TO LOOK AND REEVALUATE THE USES THAT THE ORDINANCE PERMITS BY, RIGHT? AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE, NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, A CONTRACTOR'S YARD, AS YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, IS A COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL USE TYPE THAT IS PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH STAFF IS WHETHER THAT CONTRACTOR'S YARD NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AS A BY RIGHT USE AND INSTEAD ONLY ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY USE.
AND THAT MIRRORS WHAT WAS DONE IN THE CONDITIONS, AGAIN, TO THE, THE REZONING THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED.
SO IT'S THAT TYPE OF THING THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT, UM, NOT JUST FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT AS WELL.
SO THE SECOND CATEGORY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, UH, USES, UH, THAT ARE PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE.
SO ESPECIALLY IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE ARE
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REMOVING THE USE BY, RIGHT, WOULD IT STILL BE APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW IT AS AN ACCESSORY USE? UM, AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE, LET ME FIND IT.UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE, UH, CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL TEMPORARY.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS A USE THAT WHEN EXAMINED, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SO CONFIDENT THAT IT'S A GOOD BUY RIGHT USE NOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOME TIME WITH THE ORDINANCE AND HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOOK AT, AGAIN, ONE PROJECT, UM, FOR REZONING TO AN ET DISTRICT, UH, BUT IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TO BE AN ACCESSORY USE.
SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN THE LAST CATEGORY IS, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, SO WE'VE GOT HERE AGAIN, THESE ARE BY, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE UNDER THIS B CATEGORY, UH, CONDITIONAL USES.
SO THERE ARE SOME USES THAT FOR THE ET DISTRICT ARE NOT BY RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT ACCESSORY.
THEY, IN ORDER TO, UH, DO THAT USE ON A PARCEL ZONED ET, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THAT WOULD OF COURSE GO THROUGH A SEPARATE, SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FROM ANY REZONING, UH, APPLICATION.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A SEPARATE APP APPLICATION OFTEN DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A REZONING.
UH, SO WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AGAIN AT THOSE, AT THOSE CONDITIONAL, CONDITIONAL USES.
AND ARE, ARE ANY OF THE USES THAT USED TO BE BUYRIGHT BUT MAYBE AREN'T RIGHT TO BE BUYRIGHT ANYMORE, UM, SHOULD THOSE BE, UH, KIND OF TRANSITIONED TO BEING, UH, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BEING, BEING REQUIRED? UM, AND ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST EXISTING USES, SORRY, I HOPE I'M NOT MAKING YOU DIZZY.
UM, ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT OF A NEW USE WOULD BE BATTERY, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS NOT EVEN A, A GLIMMER IN OUR EYE AT THE TIME WHEN THIS ET DISTRICT WAS, WAS ENACTED.
BUT NOW SINCE WE'RE GOING IN AND WE'RE MAKING CHANGES, LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT AS SOMETHING REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN AN ET DISTRICT.
SO THAT, THOSE ARE THE, THE TYPES OF TYPES OF CHANGES WE'RE MAKING, OR WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING AND PROPOSING TO MAKE.
UH, THEN THE NEXT BIG GENERAL AREA THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS RIGHT HERE, UH, UNDER SECTION THREE DASH 1103 AND SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE.
SO RIGHT NOW, MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE IS 500 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS LAND.
UH, SO CURRENTLY TO BE ABLE TO BE ZONED AS AN ET DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO MEET THAT MINIMUM OF 500 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS LAND.
UH, SO WE'RE EXPLORING WHETHER EXPANSION OF THAT MINIMUM WOULD BE VALUE ADDED TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY FOR OTHER PARCELS IN THE COUNTY DEEMED TO BE APPROPRIATE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE APPLICATION AND PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR AN ET DISTRICT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO HOW THAT OCCURS, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IS THAT THROUGH APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, AS PART OF AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING OR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OR WHAT THE MECHANICS OF THAT WOULD BE.
THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT LEGAL COUNSEL IS ADVISING US ON AS TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE FROM A, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT AND AN AN AUTHORITY STANDPOINT.
AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY OTHER PARAMETERS THAT CAN BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE ELIGIBILITY OF PARCELS UNDER 500 ACRES.
SO LET'S SAY WE SAY, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IF THERE'S ANOTHER PARCEL IN IN THE COUNTY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 499 ACRES, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST, RIGHT, WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE GIVEN ITS LOCATION, GIVEN ITS SIZE, UM, FOR REZONING TO AN ET DISTRICT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PARAMETERS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH THROUGH THE ORDINANCE SO THAT WHEN IT'S BEING REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WE'RE KIND OF FURTHER LIMITING THAT POOL OF POTENTIAL OF POTENTIAL PARCELS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, ONE THING, ONE THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND LOOKED AT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER A PARCEL UNDER 500 ACRES, DO WE WANT THAT PARCEL TO BE ONLY ALLOWED IF IT'S IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK? SO THAT'S ONE, ONE EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S
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ANOTHER CATEGORY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.AND THEN THE LAST CATEGORY IS JUST WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M CHALK UP TO GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING, LANGUAGE UPDATES, DEFINITIONS, UPDATES.
SO REVIEWING LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT TERMS ARE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, WE'VE NOW HAD SOME TIME, UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, ALMOST TWO YEARS WITH THIS ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS.
WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE'VE ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRENDSETTERS, SURY COUNTY WAS A TRENDSETTER WHEN IT CAME TO THIS ET DISTRICT.
AND SINCE WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TOOK, TOOK THAT FIRST STEP, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER LOCALITIES THAT HAVE ENACTED SOMETHING, SOMETHING SIMILAR.
SO TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE, AT THOSE LOCALITIES AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, DO THEY, ARE THEY USING LANGUAGE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEARER? YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE EXAMPLE IS IF YOU LOOK AT, LET'S SEE, SECTION 1105, THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
AND IF YOU GO DOWN TO C AND LET'S SEE, I'M LOOKING AT C SIX.
SO THIS IS TALKING ABOUT A CIRCULATION PLAN FOR THE DISTRICT.
AND IT'S, THIS IS REALLY INTENDED TO BE MORE ENCOMPASSING THAN A CIRCULATION PLAN.
I THINK A CIRCULATION PLAN IS A LITTLE BIT, LITTLE BIT MISLEADING AND NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE.
SO SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IS INSTEAD CALLING IT A TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY PLAN.
AGAIN, JUST CREATING A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, AS, AS PART OF THAT, OF THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO REVIEWING, REVIEWING DEFINITIONS.
SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE DEFINITION SECTION, HERE WE GO.
SO ONE DEFINITION WE WERE, UM, WE ARE CLOSELY TAKING A LOOK AT IS THE DEFINITION OF FLEX INDUSTRIAL.
SO RIGHT NOW, THIS, UM, THIS DEFINITION WOULD INCLUDE A DRY CLEANING BUSINESS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL RECALL OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FROM, FROM WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS GOING THROUGH, BUT HAVING THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING SOME SORT OF DRY CLEANER ON THE PROPERTY WAS, UM, WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AS BEING A CONCERN.
UM, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
BUT, UM, WE CAN EXCLUDE DRY CLEANING, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM THE DEFINITION OF FLEX, OF FLEX INDUSTRIAL.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT CONCERN THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT UP, BROUGHT UP BY THE PUBLIC.
SO AGAIN, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS SUMMIT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL, AND WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND KIND OF REWATCHING THOSE, THOSE MEETINGS, UM, AND REVIEWING MINUTES, UM, FROM THOSE MEETINGS.
AND AGAIN, USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND, AND CAPTURE SOME THINGS AND MAKE THIS A BETTER ORDINANCE SO THAT WE CAN, UM, WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT EFFECTIVELY IN THE COUNTY.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND CERTAINLY MR. WADE, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING.
YEAH, I'LL JUST RESTATE WHAT MS. MS. PERKINS SAID IS THAT LOOKING TO HAVE THIS, UH, THIS ORDINANCE COME BEFORE THE, THE COMMISSION AND, UH, NEXT MONTH, UM, CERTAINLY WE, WE DO HAVE SOME WORK TO, TO COMPLETE ON FINISH ON THIS ONE TO, BUT AS SOON AS IT IS COMPLETED, WE THEN WE WILL SEND IT OUT TO THE COMMISSION AND ADVERTISE IT AS APPROPRIATE, UM, AS LEGALLY RE RE RE AS WE'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED.
SO IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER OF US, WE WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOU.
AND IF AS YOU ARE TAKING A LOOK AND REVIEWING YOU IDENTIFY ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
REACH OUT TO MR. WADE, REACH OUT TO ME AND MS. FERGUS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
IF ANY COMMISSIONERS WANTS, UM, IF WE LEAVE THE MEETING TONIGHT, IF WE HAVE AN, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS AND WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, COULD WE JUST SEND THAT INFORMATION TO EITHER YOU OR MR. WADE ABSOLUTELY.
TO, TO TAKE NOTICE OF THAT? YES, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
AND AGAIN, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY CAUGHT AND TAKEN A LOOK AT, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO AN EXAMINATION OF IT.
ANY QUESTIONS OF COMMISSION? YEAH.
UM, SO YOU, YOU SAID YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT TAKING THE ENER ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY OUT OF BUYRIGHT AND MOVING THAT TO CONDITIONAL USE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S NOT ANYWHERE IN OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, IT IS ADDRESSED THROUGH A, OUR SEPARATE, UM, BEST, UM, CONDITIONS.
HOW WOULD YOU RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S, IT HAS ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE CLOSEST.
I THINK WE HAVE TO ALIGN THE DEFINITION TO BE CONSISTENT.
JUST, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT CALLS OUT IN THE, WHAT IS IT? IN THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, THE DEFINITION.
IF YOU GO TO THE DEFINITION SECTIONS OR
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THE USE DESCRIPTIONS, RIGHT.IT'S GONNA BE, I MEAN, CAN YOU POINT ME, CAN WE GET TO THAT? YES.
SEE THIS THERE, RIGHT THERE, THERE.
SO THIS DEFINITION, LEMME MAKE SURE I'M TAKING THE MIC.
THIS, THIS, THE LAST SENTENCE IN HERE SAYS, THIS DEFINITION DOES NOT INCLUDE BATTERY USE TECHNOLOGIES UTILIZING CONSUMER PRODUCTS AND, AND MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE EMERGENT TECHNOLOGIES IN YOUR DISTRICT.
THIS USE WOULD BE DE DEFINED AS ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES.
SO JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO MAKE OUR DEFINITIONS CONSISTENT.
RIGHT? AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT, WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE, AGAIN, YOU JUST, WE, WE HAD THAT USE DEFINED IN, IN OUR ETS DISTRICT AND NOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT USE IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY, NOW WE DEFINE IT IN THE COUNTY.
SO JUST TRYING TO MAKE THESE THINGS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DECIDED THAT THAT COULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
RECOMMEND IF THAT'S TO BE A CONDITION USE PERMIT OR TO BE A BUYRIGHT AS IT AS IT IS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW IT IS A, IT IS A BUYRIGHT AND, AND THIS ONE THAT'S WAY I'M SEEING THAT IT'S ABOUT RIGHT.
LEMME SEE IF IT'S CONSIDERED, IF IT'S CONSIDERED AN ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH I, I THINK IT, I THINK IT COULD BE IN THE ABSENCE OF ANOTHER DEFINITION, IT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT.
RIGHT? WELL ON THE DEFINITION PAGE, ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY, YOU GO DOWN AND IT SAYS ELECTRIC CHEMICAL AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT LEAD ACID, LITHIUM ION FLOW BATTERIES, SINK BATTERIES.
THAT, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THINGS, I DUNNO, THAT'S MAYBE SEPARATE.
I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS, I'M LEADING TO WHERE I'M UNDER UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT SEPARATING, ADDING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS TO THE BUYRIGHT USE AND THEN SEPARATING SOME OF THE OTHER USE AS A CP.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE'RE MAYBE LETTING, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MORE INTENSE USES MAYBE BEING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BE, BE DECIDED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT DOES THAT, DOES THAT, DOES THAT, IS THAT WHERE WE LET OFF WAFFLE FOR THAT? I THINK WE, SOMETHING SIMILAR.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS.
SO
SO IF THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT WE'VE APPROVED, IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK TOMORROW, THEY REALLY COULDN'T DO IT UNLESS THEY HAD 500 ACRES.
THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW IS, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE THE, THIS REQUIREMENT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE ET ET DISTRICT.
SO, WELL IF THEY COULD REZONE IT IN AR LIKE WE'VE DONE, CORRECT.
BUT WOULD THEY, IF THEY PUT A BATTERY, 'CAUSE THEY ONLY NEED WHAT, 30 ACRES I THINK IS WHAT, SO IF THEY ONLY NEED 30 ACRES, WOULD THEY REZONE IT? THEY COULDN'T REZONE IT, ET WOULD THEY OR WOULD IT BE M1? HOW THE, THE WAY, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS SET UP RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULDN'T MEET THE 500 CON UNLESS THE PARCEL WAS 500 CONTIGUOUS ACRES AND THEY ONLY NEEDED 30 FOR THE PROJECT.
BUT UNLESS THE PARCEL WAS 500, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE REZONED TO AN ET DISTRICT.
SO BY TAKING A LOOK AT THE MINIMUM, THE MINI MINIMUM ACREAGE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
DO WE, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW, AGAIN, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH PARAMETERS, WITH APPROVALS? DO WE WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR A LITTLE BIT? IF THERE IS A PARCEL THAT, THAT AGAIN, A PARCEL IN A PROJECT, UM, THAT'S VERY WELL SUITED TO BE IN AN ET DISTRICT.
YEAH, I I I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE NOT LOCKED INTO BUYING A 500 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND.
YOU KNOW, AND THEY ONLY NEED 30 ACRES OF IT.
AND I HAVE TWO THINGS TO SUGGESTIONS.
IS THAT, ALRIGHT, SO ON ABSOLUTELY SEVEN IT SAYS EXTERIOR LIGHTING AND WE'RE RUNNING INTO THIS A LOT OVER IN THE CITIES WITH LIGHT TRESPASS.
YOU KNOW, NO LIGHT IS ALLOWED TO LEAVE YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE CUTOFFS, THE LIGHTS HAVE TO BE ON THE EXTERIOR FACING IN AND YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE WHERE OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND THE RURAL AND YOU WANT TO GET OUT AND LOOK AT THE STARS AT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE MAYBE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S, I WANNA SAY IT'S A STATE MANDATE ABOUT LIGHT TRESPASS NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE LIKE IF IT'S NEAR RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENCE, WE CAN'T HAVE LIGHT POLES OVER 20 FEET TALL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE LIGHT CAN'T GET, BUT I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE, MIGHT WANNA PUT A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA SEE A GLOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SITTING OUT NEAR A STARGAZER OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN I, I'M GONNA BE THE PATRON SAINT OF FIREFIGHTERS
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FOR SURY COUNTY.CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR FIRE PROTECTION? YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, UH, IT CAN BE AS YOU KNOW, RAY, WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH OUR SUBDIVISION, UM, ORDINANCE THING.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A 10,000 GALLON STORAGE TANK WITH A BIB ON IT FOR THEM TO HOOK UP TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT BIG, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO FIGHT FIRES.
I GOT A QUESTION WHEN YOU SAID SEVEN EIGHT, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU? OH, I'M ON, ON THE, UM, SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO SEVEN'S ONE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE LIGHTING IN THE ET DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF THINKING IT MIGHT BE A GOOD SPOT FOR THE LIGHT TRESPASS AND THEN YOU COULD PUT AN EIGHT RIGHT UNDER IT AND PUT A FIRE PROTECTION PLAN OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE, HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, OR THERE'S SUCH THING AS PROFFERS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
CAN THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT IN A BIG STORAGE TANK OR DO SOME OTHER THINGS, IS THERE THINGS THEY CAN DO TO, I'LL NEVER FORGET MR. ELLIOT THERE SAID, IF YOU ASK, YOU BETTER ASK NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE TELL 'EM UP FRONT THAT HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BRINGING THIS IN HERE, WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO PROTECT YOU AND CORRECT, PROTECT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT, AND, AND THE CONSULTANTS MIGHT HAVE SOME IDEAS, YOU KNOW, SOME WAYS TO DO THAT.
THAT THAT'S THE ONLY TWO I, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, UH, MIGHT FALL INTO FIVE EIGHT.
IT DOES HAVE A MENTION OF SAFETY UP THERE.
AND IN ADDITION, COULD THAT ALSO BE, UH, IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT HAS A CUP, WOULD THAT, THAT CONDITION FALL UNDER THAT AS WELL? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED.
MR. CHAIR? YES, I JUST GOT A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY.
UM, I JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY FOR THE MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE, UH, HOW WAS THE 500 ACRES DETERMINED? THAT WAS JUST PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS AT THE TIME.
UM, WE, THIS WAS, THIS WAS A VERY NEW CONCEPT FOR US.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNEW A DATA DATA CENTER WAS KIND OF, BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL THESE, UM, THE ET DISTRICT WAS ACTUALLY INITIATED.
THE, THE CREATION OF THE ET DISTRICT WAS INITIATED BY AN APPLICATION, BY AN APPLICANT.
UM, IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT INITIATED FROM THE COUNTY OR THAT INITIATED FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, AGAIN, THEY, THEY LOOKED AT, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT 500 ACRES.
WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT, WE SAID, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
AGAIN, WE'RE VERY UNSURE ABOUT THIS USE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, THIS IS ALL NEW TO US.
UM, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF PRECEDENT OUT THERE.
AS I STATED EARLIER, WE WERE KIND OF ONE OF THE FIRST OUT OF THE GATE, UM, WITH THIS CONCEPT OF AN ET DISTRICT.
SO, UM, MR. WADE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE WERE LOOKING FOR A PROJECT THAT WAS MORE LIKE A CAMPUS LIKE ENVIRONMENT.
SO THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS MORE LIKE A, A PARKING OF ITSELF.
SO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, 500 ACRES.
IT WAS SEEN AS A, A LARGE ENOUGH CAMPUS, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S, I THINK WE LOOKED AT 500 ACRES THAT WAY.
UM, WE DO SEE THAT THERE, THERE ARE SOME SMALLER PROJECTS THAT ARE DEFINITELY, THAT LESS THAN 500 ACRES, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW COULD BE, COULD BE APPROPRIATE IN, IN THE RIGHT SETTING.
SO, UM, 500 AT THE TIME SEEMED LIKE A, A REASONABLE NUMBER FOR A, A INDUSTRIAL TYPE SETTING PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE A, FOR DATA CENTERS.
SO WE, WE SEEN A LARGE, LARGE MASS OF THESE BUILDINGS WERE SOMETIMES 200 TO SOMETIMES A MILLION SQUARE FEET.
SO IT SEEMED APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOMETHING, IF THERE WAS GONNA BE A PARK LIKE THAT 500 SEEMED, UH, TO BE A GOOD FIT.
SO, UM, SO ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
UH, WITH, WITH THAT COMMENT JUST MADE, THERE ARE, UM, IN INSTANCES, UM, OTHER, UM, I GUESS FACILITIES THAT ARE IN A SMALLER BLUEPRINT THAN 500 ACRES.
UM, THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK YOU MADE A POINT MISS, UH, PERKINS, IF THERE WAS A, UM, APPLICANT THAT SAID HAD 499 ACRES, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT, I GUESS, BE, UM, UH, JUSTIFIED OR EVEN CONSIDERED, UM, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? UM, IF THERE WERE TO COME RIGHT NOW, IT COULDN'T BE.
BUT IF WE AMENDED OUR ORDINANCE TO, TO PROVIDE SOME SOME WIGGLE WIGGLE ROOM.
WIGGLE ROOM, YES MA'AM, THEN IT COULD COME FORWARD AND THEN IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ANALYSIS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO WE, WE WOULD LEAVE THE, I I THINK WHAT WE'RE THINKING RIGHT NOW IS TO LEAVE THE 500 BUT CREATE THAT, UM, THAT OPPORTUNITY,
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UM, AGAIN WITH, WITH CERTAIN PARAMETERS AND, AND A CERTAIN PROCESS.UM, SO THAT IF SOMEBODY CAME WITH, YOU KNOW, 499, THEY WOULDN'T BE, THEIR APPLICATION WOULD BE REJECTED OFF THE BAT.
LIKE, I'M SORRY, YOU DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM ACREAGE, YOU CAN'T EVEN MOVE FORWARD, UM, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT BE REZONED TO AN ED DISTRICT.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S THE MOTIVATION BEHIND IT.
AND ONCE YOU ALL PROVIDE THE DRAFT, YOU WILL HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THAT, UH, SPEAKS TO, TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING LOOKING INTO THAT GRAY AREA AND IT'S NOT 500 AND EVERYTHING, WILL IT FALL INTO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TYPE THING? SINCE IT'S NOT MEETING THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS? WOULD IT COME AS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY LOOKING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THEN? OR, OR WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE FULLY EXPLORING WHAT, WHAT ALL THE, THE POSSIBILITIES COULD BE AND WHAT THE LEGAL PARAMETERS COULD BE.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT THINKING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THERE'S, IT COULD, THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OPTIONS OUT THERE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE, WHAT THE LEGAL OPTIONS AVAILABLE WOULD BE.
SO IT WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO A REZONING, BUT THERE MIGHT, THERE WOULD BE AN ADDED COMPONENT TO THAT REZONING MM-HMM
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, LET'S SAY, DO AWAY WITH THE 500 AND MAKE IT 200.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO REPLACE THE 500 WITH ANOTHER FIRM NUMBER.
WE'RE LOOKING INSTEAD TO CREATE FLEXIBILITY, UM, LEAVE THE 500 THERE, BUT CREATE THAT, THAT OPPORTUNITY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU MS. PERKINS AND MR. WADE FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, NEXT ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANYONE WISHING TO COME SPEAK? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, SEEING NO PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT NEXT COMMITTEE UPDATES.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO COMMITTEE, TWO SUBCOMMITTEES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
UH, ONE I KNOW YOU ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
UM, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH, COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH.
WE HAD A, I THINK WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT.
YOU HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK SOME COMMISSIONERS OUT THERE DEFINITELY ASKING SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.
UM, SOME FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC ASKING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE MAPS AND FUTURE, THE FUTURE MAPS, AND DEFINITELY HAD SOME THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS INSIDE THE COPPER STUFF PLAN.
BUT I ALSO WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW TOO, UM, IF, IF, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE CITIZENS OUT IN THERE, ASK YOU ABOUT, UM, THE TEXT.
JUST KNOW THE TEXT THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT.
THIS IS TEXT THAT WAS EXISTING FROM 2020.
ANY KIND OF CHANGE IN DIRECTION FROM THE COUNTY THAT IS A A CAN BE CONSIDERED A SIGNIFICANT MOVE FROM POLICY.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING POLICY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OTHER THAN FUTURE LAND USE.
UM, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON DATA UPDATES, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I AM HEARING WITH SOME OF THE DATA UPDATES THAT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IS TO LOOK AT THE DATA UPDATES WITHIN CONTEXT.
SO WE ARE, THAT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OUR PROJECT, IS TO LOOK AT THE DATA UPDATES WITHIN CONTEXT.
AND MAYBE LOOKING AT, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS I'M HEARING FROM SOME FOLKS NOW IS, OKAY, WHERE DOES THIS INFORMATION COME FROM? UM, AND WE'RE HAVING TO GO LOOK AT THE SOURCES OURSELF TO SEE WHERE THE SOURCE, WHEN H-R-P-D-C DID THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, WHERE THE SOURCES CA, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE DO THOSE SOURCES APPEAR.
UM, SO ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THOSE SOURCES AND SEEING WHAT CHANGED BETWEEN 2020 AND 2000, ACTUALLY IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY 2017 AND 2025 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT, AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE UPDATE IS WHAT THAT UPDATES AND WHAT WE'LL, AND WHAT I THINK WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IS TO LOOK AT THE DATA WITHIN CONTEXT.
SO IF THERE'S SOME OTHER LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED ONTO IT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT INFORMATION SAYS, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO, TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE.
UM, BUT THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LANDUS UPDATES TOO.
SO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE ITEMS AS WELL AS THE DATA UPDATES, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND BRING, BRING US YOUR COMMENTS.
WE'RE CLOSING COMMENTS OFF ON DECEMBER THE FIRST.
UM, SO, UM, WE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS SO FAR.
UM, AND OUR, OUR INTENTION IS AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ET ZONING DISTRICT IS TO REVIEW, PROVIDE YOU ALL COMMENTS FROM
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THE PUBLIC.WE WILL REDACT NAMES THAT ARE SUBMITTED WITH IT, BUT ALSO, BUT, BUT ALSO GIVE YOU ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING ON SCHEDULE.
UM, AT THIS POINT, THE, THE, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THE COMMENTS TO YOU ALL, UM, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING AND THEN YOUR A A SOLID DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FINALIZED FOR YOU AT THE JANUARY MEETING, AND THEN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE FEBRUARY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO THAT'S, I'M GONNA KEEP YOU ALL, UM, IN TUNE TO THE, THE PROCESS.
BUT WE DO, WE DO INTEND TO, UM, REVIEW COMMENTS AND IF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING TO KIND OF TALK, TALK SOME THROUGH, I'M SORRY, TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, UM, IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU ALL CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AHEAD OF TIME AND KIND OF DRAW SOME OF YOUR NOTES UP.
IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN SEND 'EM TO ME SO WE CAN BE PREPARED TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS TOO.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I, I GUESS I'M NOT QUITE SURE OF THE PROCESS.
I SUBMITTED QUITE A FEW THINGS MM-HMM
AND SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER ALL NEXT TIME OR YOU GONNA GET TOGETHER? HOW, HOW DOES THE PROCESS WORK THAT YOU'RE GONNA ADJUDICATE THE INPUT WE GIVE? SO I WILL GIVE ALL THE COMMENTS OVER.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR, FOR US AS STAFF AND ONCE WE RECEIVE ALL THE COMMENTS IS TO EX PUT IT INTO A, SOME TYPE OF, UH, CHART FORMAT.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WITH WITHIN THE SCOPE OF A PROJECT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CHANGED BASED ON THE SCOPE OF A PROJECT, THEN WE WILL MAKE A, DO A RECOMMENDED CHANGE AND SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION WHAT THE RECOMMENDED CHANGE WOULD BE.
IF THERE'S NOTHING, UM, TO CHANGE, THEN WE'LL JUST SAY THERE'S, WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, WELL, WOULD THE POINT OF COMMISSION LIKE TO DO WITH THIS? SO WHAT WE KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF PUT THOSE ITEMS OUT FOR THE COMMISSION TO SEE, UM, IN, IN ADVANCE.
SO YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT THOSE COMMENTS, AGAIN, THOSE, IF YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU, THAT YOU LISTED, WE WOULD ITEMIZE THOSE OUT AND SHARE WHAT THE COMMENT WAS AND OUR SUGGESTION TO, OF, OF HOW TO ADDRESS IT BASED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS GIVEN FOR THE CONFERENCE APPOINT AMENDMENT, AND THEN LET THE COMMISSION KNOW.
UM, AND THEN IF THE COMMISSION SAYS, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, OR THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE, WE BELIEVE THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD LEAVE OUT, OR IF WE SHOULD DEFINITELY GO ALONG WITH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THE HOPE IS WE ALSO INCLUDE ALL THE AMENDMENTS BY THE TIME WE HAVE A, WE'LL HAVE A FINAL DRAFT AT THE JANUARY MEETING.
MS. CHEEK, JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU SPEAKING OF CITIZENS' COMMENTS OR YOUR PERSONAL COMMENTS REGARDING COMMENTS? UM, WELL, I THINK ALL, ALL OF THEM, BUT I WAS ASKING ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL ONES.
I KNOW WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME, UH, GOING THROUGH 'EM AT THE LAST THING, WHICH I APPRECIATE, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT I GOT, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S GONNA COME OUT IN THE END AS HE JUST SAID.
WHICH KIND OF LEADS ME TO ANOTHER THING IS, I GUESS I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I MISSED IT OR WHAT, MAYBE Y'ALL JUST DECIDED IT IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT HOW WAS THE SCOPE FOR THIS UPDATE? HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THAT? MR. WADE HAS, UH, MENTIONED I THINK SEVERAL TIMES THAT THIS IS A DATA UPDATE AND LAND USE UPDATE IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THE PLAN RUNS UNTIL 24.
IT RUNS UNTIL WHAT, 2040? YEAH.
AND SO WHAT, EVERY FIVE YEARS THE STATE SAYS YOU HAVE TO UPDATE, RIGHT? EVERY FIVE YEARS THE STATE SAYS YOU HAVE TO REVIEW, REVIEW YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT WE AND SEE IF IT HAS UPDATES.
AND SO, AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WE SEE OKAY, DATA UPDATES, BUT WE ALSO SEE IF FIT THAT THERE ARE SOME FUTURE LAND USE POLICIES THAT WE MAY WANT TO, AND, AND TO REVISIT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TELLING THE PUBLIC TAKE A LOOK AT THE DATA UPDATES IS IT'S, IT'S OUT ON THEIR WEBSITE AS WELL AS LOOK AT THE AREAS WHERE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS HAVE CHANGED.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE, THE CURRENT PLAN VERSUS THE, UH, UM, THE PROPOSED, THE PROPOSED MAP AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND, AND, AND, AND COMPARE AND CONTRAST THOSE AND SEE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO SHARE WITH THE, WITH THE COMMISSION TOO AND THEN WITH THE PUBLIC IS THERE'S TWO, UM, RECOMMENDED NODES, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE ADDED TO THE PLAN IN ADDITION, UM, THAT WE HADN'T, THAT WE DID NOT PREVIOUSLY HAVE ON THE PLAN.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER FOR THE COMMISSION, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE NODES FOR THE PUBLIC TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND WE, WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THOSE, ON, ON THOSE DIFFERENT NODES AND THOSE DIFFERENT FEATURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
AND, UM, BUT YEAH, MOST OF EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S NO POLICY UPDATES ON ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN IN THE FUTURE LAND USE AREA.
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MS. CHEEK, I THINK MR. WADE HAS ALSO MADE HIMSELF AVAILABLE AS WELL AS STAFF.IF, IF WE AS COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, I THINK, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT I THINK HE'S WILLING TO, UH, SCHEDULE TIME TO MEET WITH US TO DISCUSS ANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE AS COMMISSIONERS AND ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
NOW, AND I'LL ALSO SAY BEFORE THE JANUARY MEETING, I DO PROPOSE A TIME FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO ALSO MEET AS WELL BEFORE WE GET INTO THE FINAL DRAFT.
'CAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AT LEAST ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE COMMISSION MEETING.
SO IN BETWEEN THE TIME WE HAVE OUR COMMISSION MEETING THAT THE NEXT DECEMBER IS AT SEVEN IS AT THE 15TH, THE DECEMBER 15TH MEETING, WE WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AFTER THAT MEETING, BUT BEFORE THE, UM, THE JANUARY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION AT THIS TIME.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UM, AND THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE IS THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE.
UH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, UM, ABOUT A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF ITEMS. I THINK WE, AND JUST TO REITERATE SOME OF THOSE AREAS WAS, UM, LOOKING AT MINIMUM LOT SIZES FOR AN AR DISTRICT.
UM, ALSO, UM, LOOKING AT OUR FAMILY DIVISION, UM, RULES FOR, FOR FAMILY DIVISION.
UM, RIGHT NOW, I, I CANNOT SAY THAT SIRI'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO BENEFIT TO ACTUALLY DOING A FAMILY TO DIVISION.
AND SO, BUT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU INCREASE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, JUST SAY 10 ACRES, YOU DO WANT YOUR FAMILY TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM, UM, FROM LAND.
USUALLY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS THAT THE CODE OF VIRGINIA ALLOWS YOU WITH HAVING THE FAMILY DIVISION.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY 10 ACRES MINIMUM, WHAT SIZE A COAT WITH A COAT COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE ONE OR TWO ACRES WITH, FOR, FOR A FAMILY.
SO JUST IT, IT DOES ALLOW THAT EXTRA FLEXIBILITY THAT, UM, THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE, SIR, IS REALLY NOT REALLY BENEFITING FROM HAVING A FAMILY DIVISION RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY MAKE THAT AN EXCEPTION FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT WANNA GET LEAVE GIFTS TO THEIR FAMILIES.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER SECTION I MIGHT MISSING SOMETHING OUT THERE.
YOU REMEMBER THAT OTHER SECTION NOTIFICATION? YES.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE KEY AREAS IS NOTIFICATION OF, OF SOMEONE APPLYING FOR A SUBDIVISION AS, AS YOU ARE ALL WERE AWARE, UM, THE, THE SUBDIVISIONS NO LONGER JUST GO TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, ANYTHING, NOTHING DOES GO COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.
BUT ALSO LETTING PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW, HEY, THIS WILL LET YOU KNOW THERE'S A SUBDIVISION COMING, IT, IT PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME NOTIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY KNOW WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A MAILER OR POSTING THE PROPERTY, WE NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OF HOW THAT PROPERTY IS NOT NOTIFIED.
AND THERE'S, THERE ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF OTHER LOCALITIES THAT DO REQUIRE THAT.
WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REVIEW THAT AND PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU ALL.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AT, UM, OKAY.
THERE'S, THERE'S ONE MORE PIECE TOO.
WHAT IS THE, I THINK IT WAS THE 15 RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, IT WAS THE PUBLIC ORDER SYSTEMS AND LOOKING AT, UM, LOTS FOR RIGHT NOW IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, YOU REQUIRED PERMITS FOR A WATER SYSTEM.
UM, LOOKING AT MAYBE MAKING THAT REQUIREMENT FOR 15 LOTS.
I THINK THERE'S SOME CODE SECTIONS.
I KNOW, UM, DR. WOOD HAD SHARED WITH ME BEFORE WAS, HEY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, IF YOU HAVE YOUR LOTS IN HERE UP LESS THAN TWO ACRES, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA HAVE A, A, A PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM IN HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST, HEY, HOW, WHAT DO WE WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE THAT WE REQUIRE AT 15 LOTS? WHAT'S, AND I THINK THE, ANOTHER OTHER THING I THINK MR. CO BROUGHT UP BEFORE WAS WHAT'S CONSIDERED A LARGE SUBDIVISION? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CUTOFF NUMBER FOR A LARGE SUBDIVISION? DO WE WANT TO TO, TO DEFINE WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T CURRENTLY DEFINE WHAT'S CONSIDERED LARGE.
UM, I THINK RIGHT NOW OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CALLS A MINOR SUBDIVISION FIVE LOTS OR LESS, AND A MAJOR 1 6 6 LOTS OR MORE.
WELL, NOW SINCE THESE DON'T GO TO THE COMMISSION, WHAT IS REALLY THE NUMBER THAT WE CONSIDER LARGE AND DO WE, WHAT'S, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO, UM, JUST BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF AT WHAT LEVEL DO YOU WANT TO SEE A PUBLIC ORDER SYSTEM, WHAT LEVEL WE CALL IN A LARGE SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND WE, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT WORKING ON THIS BETWEEN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS WELL AS OUR ZONING DISTRICT, UM, THE AR DISTRICT.
SO, UM, BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
UM, AND I JUST TALKED TO OUR COM, OUR, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE TODAY.
AND THERE, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING ON DECEMBER THE 10TH, UM, TO REVIEW SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WITH STAFF.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION.
I DID NOT CHECK WITH MS. PERKINS ON THAT.
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A, I GOT A WEEK, BUT ARE YOU GOOD ON THAT DAY? I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT,UM, OTHER THAN THAT, ANY MORE UPDATES? MR. COURT, YOU SEE, YOU'VE DONE ALL THAT.
I'VE DONE, I'VE DONE ALL THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, SIR.
UH, LISTEN TO THIS MEETING AND LISTEN TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS.
I KNOW, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I KNOW ONE TIME WE ALL MET TOGETHER AS A, IN A JOINT MEETING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COMMISSIONERS MAY FEEL, BUT MAYBE PERHAPS WE COULD PLAN SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE AS FAR AS A, A JOINT MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WITH ALL THE, UH, UPDATES AND THINGS THAT ARE, ARE COMING THE WAY, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS ALIGNED WITH THE, THE DIVISION OF, OF S COUNTY TO ENSURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE'S SINGING FROM THE SAME, SAME SHEET OF MUSIC.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONS MAY FEEL, BUT I THINK THEY MAY BE A, A GOOD, GOOD THING.
AND I'M JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD SUPERVISOR.
I'M SURE THEY, WE WON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, MIND THAT I THINK THE LAST TIME WE MADE WAS A GREAT MEETING AND, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, MOVING FORWARD MAYBE SOME, WE COULD DO THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN, BUT I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MENTION THAT OUT THERE TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE HOW SOME OF YOU MAY FEEL ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
DID I MISUNDERSTAND? I THOUGHT THE, I KNOW THE MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT FOR THE SUN MEADOWS.
WAS THERE GONNA BE A PRESENTATION OR SOMETHING TONIGHT? SIR, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A SRE COUNTY MEETING.
THAT IS, THAT IS DONE BY THAT ORGANIZATION.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR A WHILE.
UM, INITIALLY THERE WAS A, SOME TYPE OF A NOTIFICATION FROM THE, FROM THE, UM, FROM A FEDERAL AGENCY.
AND SO AS STAFF, ONCE WE RECEIVED THAT NOTIFICATION, WE PUT IN A REQUEST TO SAY, WE WANT, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HERE.
NOTICE NOTICING THAT ANY CHANGES TO THE WETLANDS DO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVED BY OUR BOARD SUPERVISORS.
UM, SO IF YOU ALL ARE PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING THERE, AND I, I DO UNDERSTAND, WHAT WAS IT, PROBABLY TWO, TWO YEARS AGO, THEY DRAINED THE, THEY DRAINED THE, THE WETLANDS AREA.
AND THIS WAS CAUGHT BY, THIS WAS SURPRISED BY EVERY, ANYONE, EVERYONE IN TOWN.
UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY ONCE I FOUND THAT PART OUT, I THINK IT WAS, UH, MR. PHELPS THAT GAVE ME A CALL AND HE SAID, HEY HORACE, WHAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE? I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.
UH, I IMMEDIATELY CALLED DEQ AND DEQ SAID, OH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EITHER.
UM, THEY FOUND ONE PERSON ON THEIR TEAM HAD BEEN COPIED IN THE EMAIL, AND I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE, SEVERAL PEOPLE IN FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT KNEW ABOUT IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T CONTACT ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY LEVEL TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO WE SAID, WE, WE, WE SHARED OUR FRUSTRATION WITH THAT AND SAID, ANY HERE, IF YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE THERE, YOU DO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY.
PLEASE ADVISE US WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THAT.
AND SO THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH US AND THEY HAVE SOME PLANS TO SHARE SOME OF THE INFORMATION OF WHAT THEY PLAN, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE TOLD 'EM, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE SOME COMMUNITY INPUT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AT LEAST TELL US WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO.
I SAID, THE BEST THING FOR SURY COUNTY, UM, THAT WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD SUCCESS IS HAVING AN OPEN HOUSE FOR PEOPLE TO COME SO YOU CAN COME TALK TO THEM AND, AND WORK, WORK THROUGH IT.
SO WE DID PUT THEIR FLYER OUT THERE, UM, ON FACEBOOK.
UM, AND, AND I THINK IT WAS OUR, UM, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR WEBPAGE TO SHOW THE MEETINGS OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK THEY SAID THEY SENT FLYERS OUT TO PEOPLE THAT WERE NEIGHBORING, UM, THE AREA AS WELL.
SO THIS WAS, IT'S NOT ARI COUNTY MEETING.
WE DID ADVISE THEM ON A PLACE TO, UM, TO HAVE A MEETING.
SO THEY, THEY DID CHOOSE, THEY, THEY DID WORK WITH US AND THEY CHOSE THE, UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT REALLY THAT IMPACTS US.
IT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING BACK, CROSSING THEIR IT COULD, IT COULD, IT COULD IMPACT US.
JUST, JUST NOT, NOT RIGHT NOW.
AT, AT SOME POINT IT COULD BE.
UH, MY, MY SUGGESTION, THE REASON WHY I SENT IT TO YOU ALL IS I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO US AT ALL.
IT, BUT IT'S GONNA GOOD, GOOD TO BE AHEAD OF AHEAD OF IT, SAID KNOW.
OKAY, WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT KIND OF CONCERNS YOU HAVE AS A, AS YOU KNOW, AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AS AND AS A CITIZEN, WHAT CONCERNS DO WE HAVE? JUST 'CAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR DISTRICT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
AND SO THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS CITIZENS, HEY, AND I, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE CITIZENS THAT OUT THERE THAT LIVE RIGHT OFF OF SILICON MEADOW POND, AND THEY, AND THEY, THEY, THEY SAW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THEY WERE LIKE, MAN, IT SMELLS BAD.
YOU DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THIS THING'S BEEN IN SWAY FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING THE COURSE OF MEADOW.
SO HERE, HERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT NOW, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS YOUR NEXT STEP? WE, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF SIRI SHOWING THEIR VOICE OF, HEY, WE
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WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.IT MIGHT NOT BE IN MY BACKYARD, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE EFFECTS OF THE NATURAL HABITAT ARE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY POSITIVES TO IT? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY POSITIVES TO IT.
I THINK YOU, YOU SAID TO EDUCATE YOURSELF BECAUSE I, I NEED TO EDUCATE MYSELF AS WELL.
BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS, YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF.
SO, UM, ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.
WHAT TIME IS SPENT, JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND SAYING AGAIN.
AT THE REC CENTER? YEAH, THE REC CENTER.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I ALMOST, I ALMOST SLIPPED MY MIND ON THAT ONE.
ACTUALLY DID SLIP MY MIND UNTIL YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
I DO WANT TO AGREE WITH, UH, MR. PIERCE, WITH HIS RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK IT'LL BE BENEFICIAL TO US MEET AS A GROUP.
I, I CAN WORK ON COORDINATE THAT ONE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF TERMS OF COMMISSION? IF NOT, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SEND OUT SYMPATHY AND CONDOLENCES TO MR. BROCK IN THE PASSING OF HIS LOVE.
WHEN I UNDERSTAND HIS MOTHER-IN-LAW PASSED SOMETIME RECENTLY.
UM, AND ALSO I THINK MS. PERKINS, I READ THAT YOU WERE A RECIPIENT OF A PRESTIGIOUS AWARD.
AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT? YES.
I THINK WE WILL ADJOURN TO OUR DECEMBER 15TH MEETING.