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[Planning Commission on December 15, 2025.]
TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS FOR ONE NATION, NONE.GOD, IN INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY.
AT THIS TIME WE'LL ENTERTAIN A ROLL CALL.
WOODEN, HERE ARE YOU CHAIR, PARTY, PRESENT.
MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE, ADOPTION OF THE MEETING AGENDA.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS TO THE AGENDA, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE AT THIS TIME.
AND SECOND THAT THE, UH, MEETING AGENDA BE ADOPTED AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
UH, CONSENT ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, DISPOSITION OF MINUTES FROM OCTOBER THE 27TH OF 2025.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES THAT YOU EITHER RECEIVED ELECTRONICALLY OR IN THE PACKET? IF YOU HAVE NO CORRECTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER THE 27TH.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM FIVE, OLD BUSINESS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
WOODEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO BEFORE YOU, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU ALL HAVE A, A, A MEMO.
UM, AND IN THAT MEMO, UH, WE WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO EXPLAIN, I GUESS TO MAKE REITERATE THIS WHOLE PROCESS FOR, UM, OUR COMPREHENSIVE POINT UPDATE.
AND THIS IS, THIS UPDATE IS NOT, NOT A, A WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE.
THIS IS, UM, SIMPLY A, UM, THE, THE MOST CHANGES YOU WOULD SEE HERE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE UPDATES WITH, AND, AND OUR DATA, AGAIN, SOME OF THE DATA THAT IS PRESENTED, UM, IN 2020 PLAN ARE ACTUALLY MAY BE FROM, MAY ACTUALLY BE FROM 2017.
SO WE'RE UPDATING THOSE, UH, ITEMS IN THE PLAN.
UM, AND WHAT YOU ALSO SEE IN THE SPREADSHEET IS THE MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, MOST OF THOSE COMMENTS, UM, ARE MUCH ABOUT THE TEXT THAT WAS IN THE 2020 PLAN.
UM, WE, UH, COMMENTS FROM, FROM, UM, FROM TWO CITIZENS.
UM, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE COMMENTS THAT WE DID RECEIVE, I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO, TO NOTE BECAUSE WHAT I SEE AS, AS, AS, AS YOUR DIRECTOR IS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES ON THE HORIZON THAT MAYBE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THERE MAY BE SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE MAKE HOLISTICALLY AS A COUNTY, UM, THAT WE LOOK AT AS A COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOGNITION TO THE BOARD ON POSSIBLY A, A NEW UPDATE.
THAT, THAT PLAN, WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THOSE ARE, THOSE PLAN UPDATES IS SIGNIFICANTLY, IT COULD BE QUITE COSTLY.
UM, PROBABLY, UM, ANYWHERE FROM A HUNDRED TO $200,000 TO BUDGET FOR SOME OF THAT, FOR A LOT, FOR A LOT OF THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET SIGNIFICANTLY FOR THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.
BUT I DO SEE THAT BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVE, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PERCEIVE AS, AS A, AS THE COUNTY THAT WE NEED TO DO, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE REVISIT THAT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
UM, AND, AND, AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS AND, AND CONCERNS THAT THAT, THAT, UH, THE, THE COUNTY MAY WANT TO ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SHOULD WE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SEE MATERIALIZED, THEN I THINK WE, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT, LOOK ON THE, ON THE HORIZON FOR A, A COMPLETE DIFFERENT SIGNIFICANT UPDATE TO OUR PLAN.
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WE DID, WE DID LOOK THROUGH THE RESPONSE.THE, THE PLANS GAVE RESPONSES WERE, WERE NEEDED, PROVIDED SOME CLARIFICATIONS WHERE THEY NEEDED SOME.
UM, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WITH THE DATA, UM, THAT WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD GO BACK IN AND WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANTS TO, I GUESS PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN OUR CONSULTANTS WERE HERE IN OCTOBER WAS I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THIS INDUSTRY, THIS AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY GROWING WHEN THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IS DOWN? AND THAT, AND THE, AND THE, THE, THE, THE POINT OF A REFERENCE TO THAT WAS, OKAY, MAYBE YOU PROVIDE CONTEXT OF HOW THAT INDUSTRY IS GROWING BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY USE MORE TECHNOLOGY AND THERE'S MORE, UM, THERE'S MORE VALUE IN THAT, BUT WE, BUT WE'RE SOMEHOW WE'RE USING LESS PEOPLE, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE THAT IS GROWING, BUT WE JUST USE LESS PEOPLE.
SO I THINK THE CONTEXT WAS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE SOMEONE READING THE DOCUMENTS, LIKE HOW IS, IF YOU'RE READING THE TWO DIFFERENT PLANS, TWO DIFFERENT PLAN UPDATES, YOU, YOU ARE WONDERING HOW HAS THAT INCREASE? HOW IS THAT INDUSTRY INCREASING WHEN THEY'RE, THE NUMBERS ARE DECREASING.
SO, UM, SOME CONTEXT, UM, DOES MAKE SENSE TO, TO ADD TO THE PLAN.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH WITH OUR CONSULTANTS ON THAT.
AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING YOU ALL WITH THE FINAL DRAFT AT YOUR NEXT POINT OF COMMISSION BEING IN JANUARY.
UM, WHEREBY YOU SEE THE FINAL DRAFT WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES SO THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS THE PLAN THAT IS STICKING TO THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY FINAL DRAFT END OF JANUARY, UM, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION END OF FEBRUARY.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, DEPENDING ON THE BOARD, SCHEDULE A PLANNING A BOARD SUPERVISOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THEIR MARCH MEETING.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN, I CAN ANSWER MR WAY, THIS COLUMN CHANGED, REQUESTED, DOES THAT MEAN THE PERSON THAT SUBMITTED THE COMMENT ASKED FOR A CHANGE? I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT COLUMN D MEANS.
IF THE, IF THERE WAS A CHANGE REQUESTED, IF THERE WAS A, IF THE PERSON THAT SUBMITTED THE COMMENT, IF THERE WAS THAT, IS THAT WHERE WE SAID IF THAT WAS A, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I REMEMBER WHAT WE SAID.
IF THAT, IF THERE WAS A CHANGE REQUESTED.
YEAH, LIKE IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR YEAH, IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC CHANGE, THEN, THEN YES.
BUT SO SOMETIMES THERE WERE COMMENTS THAT WERE JUST COMMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE PLAN, BUT THERE WAS NO MENTION OF CHANGING IT.
BUT JUST A, JUST AN OUTRIGHT JUST COMMENT THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY ASKING FOR A CHANGE, BUT JUST A, JUST A COMMENT.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL COMMENTS WERE REFLECTED, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT THE COMMENTS ARE, BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A REQUEST FOR IT FOR A, UM, A CHANGE.
SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE? IT COULD BE THAT READING YOUR CLARIFICATION OR RESPONSE, YOU MAY MAKE A DECISION BASED ON JUST THE COMMENT TO YES.
IT, AND SOMETIMES IT MAY, IT MAY BE THAT, UM, IT MAY BE A CLARIFICATION OR JUST A RESPONSE TO THE DOCUMENT.
'CAUSE IT MAY NOT, A CHANGE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE, MAY NOT BE NECESSARY, BUT IT MAY JUST BE A WAY TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT.
SO, AND, AND NOT, NOT ALL COMMENTS HAVE A CLARIFI A CLARIFICATION OR A RESPONSE JUST YET.
BUT WE, WE HAVE TO SORT THROUGH THOSE, UM, THE NEXT, 'CAUSE WE, WE GOT, WE GOT EVERYTHING BACK.
I THINK WE FINISHED UP THESE, THIS REVIEW LAST, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A RESPONSE.
SO YOU, YOU WANNA STEP, YOU WANNA STEP UP.
MISS MISS HALEY'S BEEN HELPING ME OUT WITH THIS.
EVERYTHING THAT, UM, DOESN'T HAVE A CLARIFICATION OR A RESPONSE IN IT IN THAT TABLE RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S BECAUSE, UH, WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT NECESSARILY WAS LIKE LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION OR RESPONSE.
LIKE SOMETIMES SOMEBODY'S JUST LIKE, I THINK THIS IS WRONG.
YOU KNOW, LIKE MORALLY OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE LIKE A SUBSTANTIVE RESPONSE FROM US.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY SOME THINGS ARE BLANK IN THE TABLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. WADE REGARDING THE, THE COMMENTS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE OF AND OR SCHEDULE? UH, MR. CHAIR? YES SIR.
UH, I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, JUST SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWERING, UH, A COUPLE OF CITIZENS QUESTIONS AND, AND THE TIME YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO IT.
AND I KNOW DILIGENTLY YOU GUYS HAVE, UM, HAVE WORKED THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT, IT'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT, SO THANK YOU GUYS.
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YOU.AND SO IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, MR. WADE, IF WE STICK TO OUR SCHEDULE, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE, UH, THIS BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN MARCH.
O OBVIOUSLY HAVING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS THEIR AGENDA, BUT YES, ULTIMATELY, YES.
AND DO YOU NEED ANY ACTION FROM US TONIGHT? THIS IS JUST TO QUICKLY JUST REVIEW THE UPDATES IN THERE THAT YOU WON'T ADVISE YOU ON WHAT COMMENTS WE RECEIVED.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE ARE ANY THAT YOU FEEL THAT, OKAY, I IBIT OR, OR THAT HEY, I I REALLY FELT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS OR SOMETHING.
SO, AND SOMETIMES JUST, IT IS A POINT OF, OF CLARIFICATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I SEE A COMMENT HERE AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS IN FIVE YEARS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT.
MAYBE I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY MAYBE WE DO INCLUDE THAT TO, TO LOOK AT AND MAYBE WE WORK ON IT IN THE, IN, IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO, AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS IN THE BEGINNING AND DITO, WHAT MR. UH, HARDY STATED AS FAR AS STAFF WORKING ON, EXCUSE ME, ALL OF THE, UM, INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN GATHERED OR RESPONDED TO IN REFERENCE TO, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
BUT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO WHAT I JUST SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
I THINK WITH THE, THE DIRECTION AND, AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITHIN THE COUNTY, IT MAY BE NECESSARY FOR US TO LOOK AT UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN A HOLISTIC WAY PRIOR TO 2040.
SO, UM, IF, IF THE BUDGET IS THERE FOR THAT AND WE'RE ABLE TO TALK WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, HERE TONIGHT, OR WE ARE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA.
IF WE CAN KIND LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND POSSIBLY UPDATE IT BEFORE.
THAT, YEAH, I, I I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD SUGGESTIONS FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN FIVE YEARS TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO WANNA DO.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND OF COURSE WE CANNOT HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING PER OUR BYLAWS UNTIL SIX 30, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
MR. WADE, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMITTEE UPDATES OR PC SECRETARY COMMUNICATIONS? SIR, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMITTEE UPDATES AT THIS POINT.
WE DID CANCEL THE LAST SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, MEETING.
BUT I, I, I WANT TO KIND OF GO ON WITH WHAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA THE NEXT TIME WE DO MEET.
UM, IT WOULD BE GOING OVER, UM, UH, STAFF HAS LOOKED AT, UM, DIFFERENT LOCALITIES AND WE WOULD GO OVER, UM, LOT SIZE AS WELL AS, UH, WE LOOKED AT, UM, FAMILY, FAMILY DIVISIONS AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SAID WE WOULD BRING FORWARD.
AND WE, AND WE HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH ON THAT.
AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE READY TO DISCUSS WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE BEFORE BRINGING TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
UM, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, INCREASING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, FAMILY DIVISIONS OF, UM, MAKING THAT AN INCENTIVE IN SURREY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN FAMILY DIVISIONS IN SURREY, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO INCENTIVE TO DO IT HERE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE, AT THIS POINT IN SURREY COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, UM, WAIT FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN SUBDIVIDE IT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER YOU SUBDIVIDE TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBER.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE YOU, THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S REALLY NO INCENTIVE TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, IF YOU WANNA DO FAMILY DIVISIONS, YOU PROBABLY WANNA PROVIDE, IF YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF AINO OF OKAY, MAYBE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AND I'M, I'M KIND OF BRINGING SOME THINGS UP THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEES HAS HEARD.
BUT MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ONE OR TWO ACRES AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ACREAGE OF 10 ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, REASONS TO PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE MOVED HERE, HAVE BEEN, HAVE HAD FAMILY LAND FOR YEARS, BUT WANT TO SO DIVIDE TO THEIR, UM, TO, TO THEIR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN.
I THINK THAT THE CODE OF VIRGINIA EVEN ALLOWS FOR, I THINK IT'S AUNTS AND UNCLES OR NEPHEWS.
OUR, OUR CODE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THAT.
BUT IT'S, THAT IS SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE CO SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT CODE DOES NOT EXIST IN SURREY.
BUT I THINK THE, WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT CODE SECTION AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE STATE CODE THAT WILL ALLOW FOR AUNTS AND UNCLES TO BE PART OF A FAMILY DIVISION OR, OR, OR NEPHEW, NIECES AND NEPHEWS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN CASES WHERE, YOU KNOW, A, A FAMILY MAY NOT HAVE ANY HEIRS AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LEAVE IT TO AN NIECE, NEPHEW, THAT MAY BE A PROVISION TO MAKE TOO.
SO, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME THINGS TO LOOK AT.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT, WHAT WAS IT, PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR, FOUR OR FIVE LOCALITIES, INCLUDING, INCLUDING OURSELVES, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PROVIDE SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE WOULD WANT THE, THE COMMISSION, THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO KIND OF DELVE INTO THAT.
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A GOOD HOMEWORK FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT.AND I WANNA HOLD THE TIME UP RIGHT NOW TO GO OVER WITH EVERYTHING WITH IT.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT, THAT THEY SPEND ON THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY, I THINK WE SPENT PROBABLY A GOOD 45 MINUTES, I THINK BEFORE DISCUSSING A COUPLE OF THOSE TOPICS.
SO I THINK I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE SECOND COMMITTEE TO KIND OF REVIEW THAT WITH US BEFORE BRINGING IT TO THE COMMISSION WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT I, I DO THINK FROM A RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM, WE WILL LOOK TO, UM, WRITE AN ORDINANCE TO BRING TO YOU ALL.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD STAND WITH THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, WE HAVE NOT MET, 'CAUSE WE JUST HAD THE COMMENTS JUST, JUST, JUST NOW, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT IS THAT WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT MEETING AFTER WE HAVE A DRAFT PLAN TOGETHER BEFORE OUR NEXT, UM, BEFORE OUR NEXT, UH, I GUESS OUR FINAL DRAFT.
WE'LL DO ACTUALLY HAVE THE SECONDING MEETING THEN.
SO WE, WE, WE, WE GET, WE WILL, WE'LL PLAY WITH THE SCHEDULE AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE AND I'LL BE CALLING YOU EACH, EACH OF YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU CAN MAKE IT, MAKE THE SCHEDULE MEETING.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE TWO SECOND MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, DID YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO A ROUND OF CALLS TO SEE WHEN YOU CAN RESCHEDULE THE MEETING? THAT'S RIGHT.
I DON'T, I I, I TRY TO MAKE SURE I CAN, I CAN FIND A, A GOOD CONSENSUS OF WHEN, WHEN WE ALL CAN MEET.
'CAUSE I, I, I DO VALUE EACH, EACH OF Y'ALL'S OPINION ON, ON, ON HOW WE, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD BEFORE WE MEET AS A WHOLE BODY.
UM, WHILE WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD ENTERTAIN TOWARD THE END OF THE MEETING? CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? SURE.
I JUST FOUND OUT, I GUESS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
DOES THAT WORK GOOD IN PRINCETON? I MEAN, I GUESS PRINCE GEORGE, IT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THEY DO IT.
DID YOUR EXPERIENCE OR DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT? DID IT WORK OKAY? WAS IT ACCEPTED PRETTY EASILY BY THE, BY THE CITIZENS? WHAT? I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF WE GOT, JUST TO CHAT A MINUTE.
FIRST, GEORGE ALLOWS, I THINK RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AT FIVE ACRES, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE CONSIDERING 10 ACRE MINIMUMS. SO, AND IF I'M CORRECT, I THINK POWER TAN RIGHT NOW I THINK CURRENTLY HAS 10 INCOME MINIMUM.
THE SURVEYOR, I THOUGHT HE SAID PRINCE GEORGE IS JUST, WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSIDERING.
THEY, THERE'S, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I LOOKED AT SOME OF THEIR, IT WAS A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND A BOARD MEETING AND THEY HAD THEIR CONSULTANT AND UM, DUE TO AGRICULTURAL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN IN THE WRONG AREAS.
AND SO TO KIND OF BALANCE THAT OUT, THEY'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 10 ACRES AND THEIR AGRICULTURAL, AND I THINK IT'S A ONE AND AR DISTRICTS, THEY'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S TO CONSIDER.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THAT, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING I THINK, UM, THEIR BOARD WAS VERY INTERESTED IN DOING WAS INCREASING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, UM, TO FROM FIVE ACRES.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS AT FIVE ACRES TO 10 ACRES.
SO, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL THIS ORDINANCE IS STILL ALLOW FOR A MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR FAMILY DIVISIONS FOR AN ACRE.
SO DO THEY HAVE UH, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LOTS FOR AS FAR AS BEING REVIEWED FOR, FOR THE FIVE ACRES? NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S LIKE NO MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LOTS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE FOR ANY TYPE OF SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? YEAH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MAXIMUM.
LIKE I THINK FOR, FOR US RIGHT NOW IN OUR, IS THERE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE A RULE THAT SETS OUT, VISTA SAYS IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY LOTS OR LESS THAN THREE ACRES, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE 15 OF THOSE.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE, SO AF AFTER, AFTER, I THINK IT WAS AFTER 1970, WHICH WHICH WAS WHEN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE WAS 1975, WHENEVER OUR ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN PLACE.
SO THAT, THAT AFTER THAT DATE, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 15 LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN THREE ACRES.
SO, UM, PRINCE GEORGE DOESN'T HAVE THAT NO MAXIMUM.
THERE'S, THERE'S A HUNDRED ACRE FARM COULD BE CUT INTO 20 LOTS.
YEAH, BRO, PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE NEXT YEAR IT MIGHT, THEY MIGHT CHANGE IT TO BE 10 ACRES.
SO YOU PROBABLY THE A HUNDRED ACRE FARM PROBABLY BE CUT UP TO RIGHT.
SO, SO YOU SAID THAT'S, THEY COMPARE US POPULATION WISE, AND I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH, I THINK POPULATION WISE THEY'RE LARGER THAN WE ARE.
NOT, NOT THAT MUCH, BUT, UM, I THINK THEY, FROM MY STILL UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON IT, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY WERE FACING SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE WERE FACING AS FAR AS TRYING TO GROW AND KEEP THE RURAL NATURE OF THEIR PARTICULAR COUNTY.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD, THAT THEY WENT TO 10 ACRE LOTS TO, TO HELP MITIGATE, UH, GROWTH INTO AREAS THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP GROWING.
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YEAH.YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE GROWTH COMING OVER FROM CHESTERFIELD AND PALATAN.
SO SIMILAR TO, FOR US, WE HAVE GROWTH COMING OVER FROM, UM, FROM ELLA WHITE.
AND FROM, I MEAN, WE HAVE GROWTH ON THREE SIDES OF US COMING OVER FROM, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU COUNT JAMES CITY COUNTY AS, AS ANOTHER SIDE, UM, AND THEN FOR PRINCE GEORGE, YOU GOT, YOU GOT THREE SIDES THAT, THAT, THAT DO THAT 32,000 IS IT? YEAH, THAT WAS 2024.
I LIKE THE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SOLVED.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE A ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COME IN AND PUT LOTS, YOU KNOW, 25 LOTS MM-HMM
ON A HUNDRED ACRES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AR AND THE AR I MEAN AR IS RURAL AND IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT RURAL ANYMORE.
IF YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THING.
AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN PEOPLE GET SO OFFENDED IF, IF YOU SHOOT A GUN OR YOU KNOW, IF YOUR DOGS ARE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S JUST SO MANY RESTRICTIONS MM-HMM
I THINK SHOULD BE IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL, YOU DON'T WANT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN WANT CHICKENS IF THEY'RE IN A RESIDENCE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CITY PEOPLE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, COUNTRY, I'M JUST SAYING IT, IT IS A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION YEAH.
WHEN YOU CONGREGATE A BUNCH OF HOUSES TOGETHER VERSUS KIND OF SPREAD OUT ON FIVE ACRE, 10 ACRE LOTS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, AND WE HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN PRINCE GEORGE HAS.
WE HAVE A CLUSTER PROVISION IN OUR AR DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP SOME AREAS STILL AGRICULTURAL OR FORESTAL, YOU CAN CONSERVE THAT AND STILL DEVELOP AND HAVE SOME DENSITY BONUSES TO HAVE SMALL OR LOT SIZES.
THIS IS, THIS IS MY OPINION OF, YOU KNOW, STILL HAVING THE SAME TYPE OF FEEL FOR PRESERVING AGRICULTURAL LAND AND STILL THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A STILL PROVISION.
I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION TOO.
BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY, AS MR. PIERCE HAS SAID BEFORE, HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH THE PLAY COMMISSION AND THE BOARD TO KIND OF THINK THESE THINGS THROUGH AND SOME TYPE OF WORK SESSION BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE PUT IT UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO WORK, WORK THE KINKS OUT TO MAKE SURE WE, WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED EVERYTHING AND THE POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IF WE WANT TO HAVE HOUSING, WE, WE, WE NEED HOUSING IN SURREY COUNTY, HOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THAT AT THE SAME TIME? WELL, HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU HAVE BOTH? HOW DO YOU HAVE BOTH THINGS OF HAVING AGRICULTURAL LAND AND STILL HAVING, UM, REGISTER DEVELOPMENT? 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY WE WANT BOTH, BUT WE WANNA DO IT RESPONSIBLY.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE TRY, WE TRY TO DO IT.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A BALANCING ACT.
IT SOMETIMES IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO, TO DO, TO DO THOSE THINGS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, I, I WILL SAY I DID TALK TO MR. WADE THIS WEEK AND ASKED HIM TO PULL SOME DATA FOR US REGARDING OUR, UM, PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES WITHIN OUR BYLAWS.
AS WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STAYED STATED IN OUR BYLAWS THAT WE WILL NOT HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL SIX 30.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE TIMES, I KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THEM, THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH OTHER THINGS AND WAIT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TIMEFRAME IS UPON US.
SO, MR. WADE, DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAT I ASKED YOU TO PULL ABOUT HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS WE'VE HAD AND YES, SIR.
WE'VE HAD THREE DATES THIS PAST YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, IN MAY WE'VE HAD ONE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THAT WAS FOR THE SEWER PUMP, PUMP STATION, SEWER AND WATER PUMP STATION.
UM, WE DID, WE HAD ZERO, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO AT THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT DAY.
UM, WE ALSO HAD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, UM, FOR, UM, THE CONDITION USE PERMIT FOR BEAR ISLAND BATTERY STORAGE.
UM, IN JUNE, WE HAD ONE PUBLIC COMMENT COMING FROM A CITIZEN FROM ALL WHITE.
AND THEN WE'VE HAD, IN SEPTEMBER, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONS PERMIT FOR TREE OF LIFE.
UM, THERE WAS TWO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT CAME OUT FOR THAT WHEN THEY ADVOCATED SUPPORT FOR THAT PROJECT.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, THIS PA THIS PAST YEAR AND, AND, AND THIS AND THE NUMBER OF, OF, UH, UH, FOLKS WHO, WHO CAME UP TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE RESTRUCTURING, UM, I THINK IN JANUARY, YOU KNOW, I, I MAY NOT EVEN BE CHAIR, BUT AS WE RESTRUCTURE IN JANUARY, I THINK AS THE COMMISSION, WE MAY WANT TO JUST LOOK AT WHETHER WE WANT TO KEEP THAT CAVEAT IN.
AND I THINK WE DID THAT TO COMPROMISE WITH A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC SAYING THAT, UM, STARTING AT SEVEN, AT SIX O'CLOCK, EXCUSE ME, WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC COMING OUT AND BEING ABLE TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETINGS.
BUT, BUT SINCE THEN, MR. WADE HAS GONE OVER THE DATA AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND RIGHT NOW I'M JUST PROPOSING THAT I'M ONE COMMISSIONER
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THAT WE JUST REMOVE THAT CAVEAT AND JUST HAVE THE MEETING START AT SIX O'CLOCK BECAUSE WE, IF WE COULD DO THAT, WE COULD FLOW RIGHT ALONG WITH THE MEETING.SO AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW OUR BYLAWS WILL BE, UH, LOOKED AT AS WE COME UP IN JANUARY WHEN WE RESTRUCTURE.
THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK AS A COMMISSION WE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
I I I CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT AS, AS A AMENDMENT FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.
IF NOT, WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR MINUTES BEFORE WE CAN START THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF THERE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I HATE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR RECESS FOR FOUR MINUTES, BUT PROCEDURALLY WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT.
UH, WE DO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, SINCE WE ARE TOWARD THE PUBLIC, UM, COMMENT SECTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR.
BUT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR RECESS FOR WHAT? THREE MINUTES
MR. CHAIR, I'M MOVE THAT WE GO INTO RECESS UNTIL SIX 30.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND PROPERTY MOVE.
AND SECOND THAT WE WILL RECESS UNTIL SIX 30.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, WE WILL ENTERTAIN NEW BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2025 DASH OH TWO.
MS. PERKINS IS SHE, SHE'S VERY INSTRUMENTAL TO THIS PROJECT.
SHE, SHE JUST STEPPED OUT JUST FOR A MINUTE.
WE, WE WORKED ON THIS AS A TEAM.
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SO WAIT, HAVE YOU HEARD THAT THE OTHER BATTERY ONE THAT WE APPROVED, ARE THEY MOVING FORWARD? HAVE YOU HEARD ANY, ANYTHING ON THAT? UM, THEY HAVE SENT, THEY, THEY'VE ASKED FOR CERTAIN DOCUMENTS FROM US.IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
THEY TAKE TIME TO GOTTA GO GET ALL THEIR DIFFERENT APPROVALS BEFORE THEY GET STARTED WITH US.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, ANY EARTH MOVEMENT OR SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS JUST YET.
BUT TYPICALLY SOME OF THESE THINGS TAKE LIKE A YEAR BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE BIG, BIG MOVEMENT.
BUT THEY, THEIR ATTORNEYS ARE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS FROM US.
SO THEY, THEY, THEY ALL THEIR APPROVAL DOCUMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THEY, THEY, THEY'VE RECEIVED THOSE FROM US SINCE, SINCE THE BOARD HAS APPROVED IT.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING.
TRUST ME, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY WANT THIS THING TO MOVE
THEY'RE READY FOR US FOR THIS ONE.
SO AT AT OUR, AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE, WE WENT OVER, UM, THE EMERGENCY TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT.
UM, WE WENT OVER, UM, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE AMENDMENT.
UM, OF COURSE, IN JANUARY 27TH, 2025, UH, THE PC APPROVED THE BY SEVEN ZERO, UH, MOTION TO BRING FORTH THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO THE BRI NEOLOGIST DISTRICT.
UM, SHE MEET THE MOTION, MR. BERRYMAN SECONDED IT.
UM, WE SHARED THAT AT THAT TIME THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS AND WE'LL BE ENGAGING OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO HELP FULLY IDENTIFY UPDATES NEEDED IN DRAFT AMENDMENTS THAT WE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PC THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
AND HERE, HERE, HERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT, UM, GIVEN THE OTHER PRIORITIES OF BOTH INTERNAL STAFF AND EXTERNAL ASSISTANCE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF PLACED IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT WE'RE HERE FINISHING UP TRYING TO, TRYING TO IRON THINGS OUT BEFORE THE END OF THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, THE LEGAL, LEGAL REVIEW IS COMPLETE.
UM, WE'VE DID AT SEVERAL AREAS WHERE THE AMENDMENTS WOULD FOCUS AND WANTED TO WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE.
SO WE DID THAT, UM, AT, AT LAST, AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND THE GOAL HERE IS, UM, TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO WE CAN SEND THIS, UH, UM, THE, UH, THE DRAFT AMENDMENT OVER TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR ULTIMATE APPROVAL.
UH, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE AUTHORITIES UNDER THE CODE OF VIRGINIA AND, UH, SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE EMERGENCY TECHNOLOGIES DISTRICT IN JANUARY 23, UM, AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY REQUIRED UPDATES TO THE EXISTING LANGUAGE.
WE ALSO WANTED TO, UM, INCLUDE SEVERAL USES THAT ARE NOW, THAT ARE BY RIGHT.
UM, AND TAKE SOME OF THOSE, UH, PART OF THE PROFIT CONDITIONS.
FOR ONE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE COUNTY, APPLICANT WANTED TO, TO USE THREE CONDITIONS.
UM, AND THEY, THEY WANTED TO PROFFER AWAY CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND INCLUDE THEM ONLY AS, UM, AS ACCESSORY USES.
UM, SO WE WENT, SO WE, WE MOVED SOME OF THE PERMITTED USES OVER TO ACCESSORY USES AND KIND OF, KIND OF CAN GO THROUGH ON THE SCREEN HERE.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE USES HERE FOR INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES.
UM, WE'VE ALSO CLARIFIED THE ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY VERY SIMILAR TO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. WE'VE ALSO, AND THEN WE HAD COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT IT'S, WHAT IS A LABORATORY? SO WE INCLUDED THAT A LABORATORY MOVED THAT TO BEING A, FROM A BUYRIGHT USE TO A CONDITIONAL USE, THE ACCESSORY USES.
UM, THESE WERE PREVIOUSLY ITEMS THAT WERE, UH, PERMITTED USES AND NOW THEY'RE ACCESSORY USES TO ACTUALLY APPROVE TYPE OF PERMITTED TYPE OF USE.
AND THEN WE ADD, WE ADDED, UH, TO THE DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT SIZE, UM, A MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE CURRENTLY IS 500 ACRES.
BUT WE WANT, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WE WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
UM, SO FOR, FOR, FOR THAT, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN SECTION THREE DASH 1103.
UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO KIND OF, UH, BRING OUT, UM, THAT IT IS UP TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS THROUGH ISSUANCE OF A WAIVER, UM, WHEN IT'S DECISION OF THE APPLICATION AND THE MASTER PLAN.
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TO, I'M SORRY, TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR SAID WAIVER.UM, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE, MUST BE M1 PRIOR TO THE REZONING ZONE M TWO PRIOR TO THE REZONING, UM, OR CONTIN CONTIGUOUS TO THE PARCEL ZONE AS M1, M TWO OR ET.
AND THEN CONSIDERING THE WAIVER, THE BOARD, THE BOARD MUST EVALUATE, MAY EVALUATE ALL RELEVANT FACTORS INCLUDING WHETHER THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COPPER PLAN AND SHOW SPECIAL CONSIDERATION FOR CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HIGH CAPACITY ELECTRIC AND TRANSMISSION FACILITIES, NATURAL GAS LINES, NABLE WATERWAYS, AND EXISTING ROAD NETWORKS.
AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY PLACE REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON ANY WAIVER GRANTED UNDER THIS SECTION SO THAT THIS ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IF THERE'S A PROJECT THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT THERE, BUT THERE ARE PARAMETERS THAT YOU COULD, THAT YOU'D HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE WAIVER AND, AND THOSE ARE LISTED HERE.
ARE YOU TAKING QUESTIONS AS YOU GO THROUGH IT? UM, OR SURE.
YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? UM, MAY, MAY MAYBE KIND OF OKAY.
GIVE, GIVE ME A PLACE WHERE I COULD, I COULD, I CAN MAKE A MARKDOWN AND KIND OF WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT, UH, THE WAIVER, I THINK IN THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE, I BELIEVE WE JUST, WE PUT, WE MIX 2, 2, 2 DIFFERENT NUMBERS TOGETHER.
NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, WE PUT THEM TOGETHER.
IT MAKES SENSE TO, TO INCLUDE THAT THERE, BUT TO, TO ALLOW A WAIVER TO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
BUT, UM, THIS WOULD BE THE BOARD ALLOWING THE STRUCTURE TO HAVE MINIMALLY ADVERSE IMPACT, MAKING SURE THAT IT DID NOT, IT, IT MINIMALLY IMPACTED THOSE NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND WE EVALUATED THAT, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THE JAMES RIVER OR HISTORIC SITES IN THE COUNTY OR OTHER LOCALITIES.
UM, I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT WE ADDED HERE ABOUT EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UH, WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ALL LIGHTING MUST BE COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY ASSOCIATION GUIDELINES AND ALL LIGHTING EQUIPMENT SHALL HAVE RECEIVED THIRD PARTY CERTIFICATION.
SO WE, WE ADDRESSED THE COMMENT THAT YOU ALL HAD ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
AND THEN, UH, ONE, ONE OF OUR CONSULTANT, UH, OUR LEGAL CONSULTANT SAID WE SHOULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN WHAT THE CIRCULATION PLAN.
AND SO WE, WE, WE DID DEFINE THAT AND WE ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TO IT AND, AND ASSISTED WITH THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION OF THIS INFORMATION BY PUTTING IT INTO, UM, INSTRUCTION.
IT'S LIKE A OUTLINE SO THAT IT'S EASIER FOR, UM, STAFF PLAN COMMISSION BOARD MEMBERS AND OUR ULTIMATELY OUR DEVELOPERS TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN I THINK WE PREVIOUSLY HAD SOME TYPE OF, IT WAS LIKE A PARAGRAPH TEXT.
SO YOU KIND OF SEE EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
WE ALSO ADDED, UM, TO THE, UH, CO THIS CODES CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
THESE ARE THESE, SOME OF THESE ITEMS HERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR PROFFERS FROM OUR PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE ADDED THEM TO THE ORDINANCE.
AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED HERE ARCHEOLOGICAL CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES TO, AS A REQUIREMENT FOR SITE PLANS.
WE WENT A LITTLE BIT INTO DEPTH OF WHAT, WHAT IS REQUIRED THERE.
AND ADDITION TO NATURAL RESOURCES INVENTORY AND ADDED BATTERY INJURY STORE SYSTEMS AS, AS A, UH, AS A USE UNDERNEATH ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY AS WE DEFINE WHAT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS WAS WHEN WE DID AN ORDINANCE EARLIER THIS EARLIER THIS YEAR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
MS. CH, MS MS. CHEEK, YOU GOT, YOU GOT A QUESTION? OH, JUST, UM, SO IF WE WENT BACK TO, UH, SECTION THREE DASH 1103, UH, ITEM A, OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE 500 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS LAND MM-HMM
AND SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE SUBSECTION ABOUT IF THE LAND IS ALREADY M1 OR M TWO, THEN A WAIVER IS POSSIBLE.
UM, IF THE LAND THAT THEY, THEY COME TO IS AR, SO SAY A DEVELOPER COMES TO US AND THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY WANT TO HAVE, UM, A SMALLER THAN THE 500 CONTIGUOUS, OR MAYBE THEY WANT A LARGER THAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA MEET THE 500 AND IT'S AR IS THAT WHERE IT STOPS? OR DO THEY THEN ASK TO BE REZONED IN TO M ONES THAT THEY CAN ASK FOR A WAIVER? ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PLAYS OUT.
IF WE'RE, BECAUSE AR IS MOSTLY WHAT OUR LAND IS, RIGHT? SO CORRECT.
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SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME, THAT SCENARIO WOULD BE BEFORE US.SO BASED ON THAT SITUATION, IF IT LANDS THERE AR AND THEY DON'T MEET ANY OF THE CRITERIA FOR A WAIVER, THEY COULD NOT APPLY FOR THE WAIVER.
SO THAT IS THAT I I, I THINK I SEE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, UH, GO AHEAD.
SO YOU'RE, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING SO IF, IF THEY CAME BEFORE US AND SAID, WELL BASED ON THIS WAIVER PROCESS, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M HAVE TO REZO TO M1, RIGHT? AND THEN AFTER ZERO TO M1, THEN ZONE TO ET.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THEN THEN THEY COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE WAIVER PROCESS, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE UNLESS THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UNLESS THEY CHANGE THE AR? NO, SHE'S SAYING NO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, SO BASED ON NUMBER THREE, SO, UH, A THREE CONTIGUOUS TO A PARCEL ZONED AS AN M1, M TWO OR ET DISTRICT.
SO THEORETICALLY THE WAY THIS IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE CHANGES TO THIS, UH, BUT THE WAY THIS IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, IF YOU WERE AN AR PARCEL MM-HMM
AND YOU WERE NEXT DOOR TO AN M1, M TWO OR ET, YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR A WAIVER THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE YOU'LL RECEIVE THE WAIVER MM-HMM
UM, BUT THAT DOES, UM, OPEN, OPEN UP THAT POSSIBILITY.
SO IN THE SCENARIO YOU'VE OUTLINED, THE AR WOULD NOT HAVE TO REZONE TO, UM, AN M1 OR AN M TWO OR EVEN ET IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY COULD SUBMIT, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE WAIVER COMPONENT IF THE, IF THE REZONING WENT THROUGH, UM, BUT TO AN ET DISTRICT.
UH, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T WISH TO DO ANY REZONING, THEY COULD STILL IF THEY WERE NEXT DOOR TO, RIGHT.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT NEXT DOOR, THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF MR. BERRYMAN'S FARM, THEN REZONING IS THE ONLY OPTION AVAILABLE.
AND THEN IF YOU KNOW IT, IT SEEMS THEY CERTAINLY COULD REZONE TO AN M1 OR M TWO AND THEN GO THROUGH THE WAIVER PROCESS OR THEY COULD JUST REZONE TO AN ET AND THEN IT WOULD BE BY RIGHT.
UM, IF THEY RESUMED TO ET THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET THE WAIVER IF THEY WERE UNDER 500, BUT THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING THEM IN AN AR DISTRICT FROM APPLYING FOR OR COMING BEFORE US TO ASK FOR A REZONING.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MS. CHEEK IS, IS ASKING.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
SO, SO IF THIS AMENDMENT WERE NOT TO GO THROUGH, THEY COULD COME TO US FOR A REZONING, BUT WE WOULD LOOK AT THE ACREAGE AND SAY, NOPE, SORRY, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T QUALIFY.
AND THE PROCESS WOULD STOP THERE.
UM, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW THAT ABILITY FOR PARCELS UNDER 500 TO GO THROUGH THE WAIVER PROCESS.
MR. B, THE, UH, FOUR ACCESSORY USES, HOW DID, HOW DID THEY COME ABOUT? 'CAUSE THE PREVIOUS, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACCESSORY USES.
SO THEY CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED USES.
SO THEY WERE ALL MOVED FROM BY RIGHT TO, THEY WERE MOVED TO BY, FROM FRONT FROM PRINCIPAL.
THEY WERE MOVED FROM LIKE THE PRINCIPAL BY RIGHT USES TO ACCESSORY USES AND THAT, AND THAT STARTED WITH OUR INITIAL APPLICATION FOR GREEN ENERGY PARTNERS.
THEY, IN THEIR PROFIT STATEMENTS CONDITIONS, THEY HAD THEM LIST SOME OF THEM THEY HAD LISTED AS THEY SAID THEY WANTED THESE USES, BUT THEY WANTED TO USE IT AS ACCESSORY.
SO WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'LL DO FOR WILL BE CONSISTENT AND WITH OUR ORDINANCE AND MOVE THOSE TO BEING ACCESSORY USES INSTEAD OF BEING JUST A PRIMARY USE.
'CAUSE AS A COMMISSION AND A BOARD, YOU'RE THINKING, SO IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE, AND I'LL LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT THE, THE ASSESSOR USES HERE, BUT IF YOU JUST ALLOW A PERMITTED USE AS A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS, WELL THE INTENDED USE OF HAVING ET ZONING DISTRICT WAS FOR PRO PROJECTS LIKE A DATA CENTER.
WELL, WHILE WE'RE GONNA ALLOW JUST A CONTRACTOR YARD, IF IT'S NOT ACCESSORY, SO IF SOMEBODY JUST MOVING HERE AND DO A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, BUT THAT WASN'T INTENDED, THAT WAS NOT THE INTENDED USE.
BUT IF IT WAS ACCESSORY TO A USE THAT WAS PERMITTED, THEN YES.
SO THAT, DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.
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IF I COULD JUST ADD, SO THE, THE GOING, GOING BACK IN OUR TIME MACHINE, UH, TO WHEN THE GREEN ENERGY PROJECT WAS BEFORE US, UM, THEIR INCLUSION OF THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS AS ACCESSORY USES, UM, AND THEIR AGREEMENT TO DO THOSE THROUGH, TO DO THAT THROUGH THE CONDITIONS WAS BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAD BEEN RECEIVED IN COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONCERNS EXPRESSED.SO THAT THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT CHANGES TO BE MADE TO THE ET DISTRICT, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, A GOOD CHANGE TO BE MADE.
UM, AND AS YOU ALL WILL RECALL, UM, IF IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, IT'S A REQUIREMENT.
UM, THE CONDITIONS ARE VOLUNTARY AND WE CAN'T REQUIRE FOLKS TO DO CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND AGREE TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
SO THE WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT THESE USES WOULD JUST BE ACCESSORY AS MR. WADE VERY ELOQUENTLY DESCRIBE THE RATIONALE FOR THAT IS TO PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
SO THAT IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE 500 ACRES.
500 ACRES IN ORDER TO DO THIS? CORRECT.
UNLESS, UNLESS WENT BACK AND, UNLESS, UNLESS THEY WENT THROUGH THE WAIVER PROCESS.
I MEAN THEY, THEY COULDN'T JUST COME, COME IN AND BUILD A CONTRACTOR'S LAY DOWN THE YARD UNLESS THEY WANTED A 500 ACRE.
I MEAN, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I'M, I'M BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF IF SOMEONE CAME TO US FOR A REASONING CASE AND THEY JUST WANTED TO DO A CONTRACTOR YARD, I WOULD NOT WANT TO REASON TO E THE ET FOR, FOR THAT ONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, SO FOR, FOR THIS ONE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE, THE, UH, THE LIST USES UNDER, UM, 3 11 0 2 A OF THE PERMITTED PRINCIPAL USES.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE OF THOSE USES AND ACCESSORY TO ONE OF THOSE USES.
THAT MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE? YES MA'AM.
UH, I GUESS WE ALL STILL STUCK ON THIS, UH, THREE DASH 1103, UH, OKAY.
SO HOW, HOW DO YOU GUYS EXACTLY COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT JUST FOR MY FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT FROM RESEARCH YOU'VE DONE FROM LOOKING AT OTHER, UM, ORDINANCES SIMILAR TO THIS? OR IS THAT JUST A NUMBER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DID THAT 500 ACRE COME UP? 500 ACRES CAME UP INITIALLY.
UM, WE, WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT A LARGE TRACK OF LAND AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES, WHAT MAKES SENSE? 'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTS, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A DATA CENTER JUST THERE'S 50.
AT, AT SOME POINT YOU FIND A NUMBER THAT MAKES SENSE, 500 ACRES WAS NOT TOO SMALL, BUT ALSO WAS NOT TOO, TOO LARGE.
UM, FOR CONSIDERATION FOR, FOR THE TIME PERIOD WE WERE CREATING THIS ORDINANCE BACK IN 2023.
SO WE, WE LOOKED AT 500 ACRES AT SOME POINT.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T SEE THAT WE, WE SEE NOW THAT THERE MAY BE A NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY FOR PROJECTS THAT MAY, THAT MAY MAY MAKE SENSE.
BUT YOU, YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT, OKAY, THIS PROJECT IS 400 ACRES AND IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUCLEAR PLANT HERE, BUT WE WON'T ALLOW THIS DEVELOPMENT TO PROCEED BECAUSE YOU'RE 400 ACRES OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT 499 ACRES AND YOU WON'T LET IT PROCEED.
SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR US IT'S, IT'S PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE.
I I, I SEE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT PART, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE, HOW DO YOU GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE JUST AT 500 ACRES? I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT INITIALLY LOOKING AT LARGE PROJECTS AND, AND 500 ACRES SEEMS TO BE A NICE ROUND NUMBER TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WOULDN'T SCIENTIFICALLY SAY THESE, THESE ARE ALWAYS, WE LOOK AT 500 ACRES.
IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE THOUGHT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR PROJECTS, UH, IF SOMEONE WAS TO COME INTO THE COUNTY TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING.
500 ACRES MADE, MADE SENSE AT THE TIME.
I HOPE, I HOPE I'M NOT GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE I AM SOMETIMES, BUT
WOULD THEY HAVE TO GET IT ZONED UNDER NO, NO.
YEAH, IF A BATTERY STORAGE THAT'S ANO, THAT'S ANOTHER USE THIS LIKE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THAT IN AR AS A, AS A CUP STILL.
BUT, BUT IN THE ET ZONING DISTRICT, YOU CAN DO THAT AS A, LET ME SEE, AS A B AS A BUY RIGHT.
USE IN THE ET ZONING INDUSTRY.
BUT, BUT NOW WE HAVE SOME PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU PUT FOR BATTERY STORAGE.
MR. PIERCE, I, I'M HOPE, HOPING I DIDN'T GO AROUND AND IT CIRCLES, I HOPE I ANSWER YOUR S UH, NO SIR, YOU, UM, YOU KNOW,
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YOU ANSWERED IT CORRECTLY.I MEAN, YOU ANSWERED, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE COMING FROM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS, UH, AS DENOTED BY THE ASTERISK, IT, NONE OF THAT CHANGES.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, SO SOME OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL CHANGES, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LET ME SEE IF WE LOOK AT, ACTUALLY, LET'S SEE.
SO THEY, SO WHAT YOU BATTER BATTERY STORAGE? THAT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED RECENTLY.
THAT WAS, I GUESS BETWEEN THE TIME OF THIS ORIGINAL ORDINANCE AND NOW WE WENT ACROSS THAT THE BOARD APPROVED THAT THIS PAST YEAR.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE RECENTLY FOR SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR THAT ONE.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL, UM, SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR EACH OF THESE TYPE OF USES.
SO SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS ARE THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S IN THE ET DISTRICT OR THE, UH, AR DISTRICT, SAY FOR A BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM.
AND, AND, AND WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR A REZONING CASE, THEY MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ADDED TO IT, SIMILAR TO IF, IF, IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A CEP, WE MAY ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO THAT PROJECT.
THERE, THERE, THERE'S WAYS TO KIND OF, TO LOOK AT ADD, ADD ADDITIONAL, UM, I GUESS REGULATIONS.
UM, ALBEIT REZONING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROFIT REGULATIONS, WHICH THEY, THEY OFFER UP VERSUS IN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN HIGHLY RECOMMEND AND SAY WE ONLY, WE'LL ONLY APPROVE YOUR PROJECT BASED ON IF, IF YOU, IF YOU AGREE TO THESE CONDITIONS.
UM, THIS ITEM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANY PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK AND COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW DECLARED CLOSED
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE TO, UM, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2025 DASH OH TWO.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ONCE AGAIN FOR APPROVAL OR FOR A RECOMMENDATION, EXCUSE ME, FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 20 25 0 2.
MR. TYLER, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2025 DASH OH TWO.
IT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED AND SECONDED THAT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2025 DASH OH TWO BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A.
AMENDMENT NUMBER 2025 DASH OH TWO IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ALRIGHT, WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
UM, UH, MR. WADE, UM, I WAS TRAVELING UP NORTH, UH, THANKSGIVING AND THE WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING AND I WAS NOTICING A LOT OF SOLAR WORK BEING DONE ON THE WEEKENDS.
IS THAT, ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON THE WEEKENDS? IT'S RIGHT UP ON 10 10 WEST.
ARE THEY, WAS IT ON A SUNDAY OR IS IT A SATURDAY? THIS IS A SATURDAY.
IT'S PROBABLY A, YEAH, YOU COULD DO IT ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY? THEY CAN ON SATURDAYS.
I THOUGHT WE WERE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY BETWEEN CERTAIN HOURS, BUT IF, IF WE, IT, IT, IT PROBABLY HAS LIMITATION THERE.
SO LEMME LOOK, LEMME LOOK THROUGH THE CONDITIONS TO VERIFY.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA STEER YOU WRONG.
I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING THAT CONDITION ON THAT OLDER PROJECT.
I THOUGHT WE TALKED, I DON'T, MAYBE WE PUT ANY, I THOUGHT WE TALKED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
SOME OF THOSE, THE NEWER PROJECTS, I THINK WE STARTED PUTTING SOME LIMITATIONS ON THEIRS.
'CAUSE THAT WAS, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BEING WORKED ON NOW, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS APPROVED WAY.
JUST CHECK IT FOR HIM IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE.
YEAH, WE'LL CHECK THE DATE ON THAT ONE.
SO YES, IF, IF, IF IT WAS SUNDAY, I'M LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO.
THEY SHOULD, THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE SUNDAY, BUT YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S PILE DRIVING THINGS A CERTAIN TIME LIMIT, MAN.
WELL, IT WAS, WELL I THINK IT'S TRYING TO LAY INTERCONNECTION LINE NOW
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FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.WELL I SAW IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING UP PAST THE, UH, CROSSROADS I, THE STAND DOWN YARD WAS, WELL I SAW THE HEAVY TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT.
BUT THE STAND DOWN YARD IS LOADED.
I MEAN, I, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY GOT OUT THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY LOADED.
I'M, I'M, I'M HEARING FROM SOME LOCAL RESTAURANTS, THEY PROBABLY PROVIDE ABOUT 250 MEALS AT LUNCHTIME.
SO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TREATING THEIR LOCAL ECONOMY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT FOR JANUARY THE 26TH OF 26.
THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT MEETING.
NO OPPOSED? MOTION IS CARRIED.