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AND SHARE[Planning Commission on January 26, 2026.]
AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.AND WE CAN START BY SAYING OUR, OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
UNDER, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.
NOW WE GOT A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
UH, WE DO HAVE A, A, A MEETING AGENDA HERE BEFORE YOU, UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, UH, I'M, I'M SORRY, MS. MS. UH, MS. HILTON.
WOULD, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND DOING THE, UH, ROLL CALL, PLEASE? OKAY.
I THINK I, I, I PRESENT MR. BERRYMAN HERE.
THOUGHT I SAW MR. BROCK ON I DID TOO.
WE JUST NEED EVERYONE TO RESPOND IN VERBALLY AND WHEN THEY'RE RESPONDING TO HAVE THEIR CAMERAS ON IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
AND MR. SEIT, SEE IF I CAN'T GET HIM TO ASK, UNMUTE HIM.
I CAN'T, FOR SOME REASON, I CAN'T GET THAT.
AND I ALSO NEED A RESPONSE FROM MR. LFOR.
YEAH, I SEE, I SEE THAT MR. LFOR IS THERE.
MR. L, CAN YOU HEAR US? MR. ER, CAN YOU HEAR US? OH, MR. ER, CAN YOU HEAR US? YEAH, I CAN'T.
I CAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR THEM IN THE LINE, BUT I DO, I DO SEE THAT THEY'RE THERE, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR THEM.
TECHNICALLY, THEY CANNOT VOTE UNTIL THEY CAN BE HEARD BY EVERYONE.
BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM TO CONTINUE, RIGHT? WE DO.
SO WE MOVE THROUGH THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM HERE IS THE ADOPTION OF A MEETING AGENDA, MR. CHAIR? YES.
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I, UH, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, MAKE TO, UH, UH, ADOPT THE, UH, MEETING AGENDA.IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED.
MR. STEWART SAYS HE CAN HEAR, HE CAN HEAR THE MEETING.
AGENDA ITEMS ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR, UH, MR. CHAIR? MR. WADE? YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. GARRIN WOODEN AS CHAIR FOR 2026.
ALSO, I CAN'T SEE WHO'S, UH, TALKING.
SO CAN YOU, MS. MS. HILTON? I, I'VE, I'VE MADE NOTES.
UM, MR. HARDY MADE THE MOTION AND MR. NEWBIE, UM, SECOND.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I DO WANNA MAKE, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE SLIGHT, UH, ONE SLIGHT CORRECTION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE DR.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL GO, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND PROCEED WITH THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UH, DR.
ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, HAVING FAITH IN ME TO CONTINUE AS CHAIR AT THIS TIME.
THE, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.
ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I NOMINATE MR. HARDY FOR VICE CHAIR.
ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MR. HARDY AS VICE CHAIR.
I MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, TO NOMINATE MR. HARDY FOR VICE CHAIR.
AND SECOND, THAT WE NOMINATE MR. THAT WE APPROVE MR. HARDY AS VICE CHAIR FOR 2026.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
CONGRATULATIONS, MR. HARDY, YOUR VICE CHAIR.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEM ADOPTION OF BYLAWS.
WOODEN, UH, FOR THE BYLAWS, WE, WE, WE HAD MS. PERKINS TO, TO LOOK AT, LOOK THROUGH THOSE.
UM, HOPE YOU'RE ALL STAYING, STAYING SAFE AND WARM.
UH, THE FIRST, UH, RECOMMENDED BYLAWS CHANGE, UH, CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE TWO, AND IT IS IN OUR MEETING SECTION.
AND AS WE DISCUSSED AT OUR, AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, LOOKING AT THE DATA FROM THE PAST YEAR, UH, AND LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE COME TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WHEN WE DID THE SWITCH LAST YEAR FROM, UM, A SIX O'CLOCK MEETING START TIME, AND JUST LEAVING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT SIX O'CLOCK, WHENEVER WE REACHED THAT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO SWITCHING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO SIX 30, UM, WE REALLY DID NOT SEE AN INCREASE IN PARTICIPATION.
SO, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND ELIMINATE, UH, THAT PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AT SIX 30.
UM, AS WE'VE SEEN, UH, SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE, UM, COMPLETED THE ITEMS BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BEFORE SIX 30, AND HAVE HAD TO EITHER, UM, TAKE, TAKE A SMALL RECESS OR, UM, MOVE ON TO OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION.
UH, THE SECOND RECOMMENDED CHANGE CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE NINE.
AND THIS ACTUALLY, UH, HAS TO DO WITH OUR ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST, SINCE WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING, VIRTUALLY, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING VIRTUALLY PURSUANT TO A DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY.
THIS, UH, ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION POLICY ALLOWS ANY
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OF YOU, IF YOU HAVE, UM, CERTAIN SITUATIONS ARISE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING, UM, VIA PHONE OR VIA, UM, VIA ZOOM OR TEAMS. UM, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PARTICIPATE AND VOTE, UH, AS LONG AS THERE WAS A PHYSICAL QUORUM ASSEMBLED, UM, IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR USUAL MEETING, MEETING LOCATION.SO THE CHANGE THAT'S PROPOSED IS JUST, UM, A WORDING CHANGE TO MIRROR THE LATEST VERSION OF VIRGINIA CODE, UM, ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS THE 2024 GENERAL ASSEMBLY ADDED CERTAIN PROVISIONS IN, IN FOIA AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE MEETINGS, UH, PROVISIONS TO ALLOW FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CARETAKERS, BUT NOT CARETAKERS OF A FAMILY MEMBER TO ALSO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY.
SO, HOW THE LANGUAGE, UH, CURRENTLY READS, IT ALLOWS YOU TO, TO MISS A MEETING IF A FAMILY MEMBER'S MEDICAL CONDITION REQUIRES YOU TO CARE FOR THEM.
UH, SO WHAT THIS CHANGE THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, ENACTED WAS TO EXPAND THAT TO ALLOW, UM, TO ALLOW ALL CAREGIVERS, NOT JUST CAREGIVERS OF THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE, THAT ARE RECOMMENDED.
UH, CERTAINLY IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY PROPOSED CHANGES, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSING THEM.
UH, THE BYLAWS ARE REVIEWED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND READOPTED AT YOUR JANUARY MEETING.
SO THAT IS WHY THAT ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE BYLAWS WITH THE, UH, SUGGESTED REVISIONS.
MR. HARD, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE ADOPTION OF THE BYLAWS, UH, FOR THE, FOR 2026.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, OR WHOEVER IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED.
AND SECOND, THAT WE ADOPT THE BYLAWS FOR 2026 WITH THE SUGGESTED REVISIONS, UH, NOTED BY MS. PERKINS.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE, UH, NEXT AGENDA ITEM PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE.
UM, OUR NEXT, AGAIN, NEXT ITEM HERE IS A MEETING SCHEDULE HERE.
UM, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE NEXT ITEM HERE.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE 2026 PROPOSED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE STARTED OFF WITH START TODAY.
START, UM, PREVIOUSLY FROM LA FROM THE LAST CALENDAR.
BUT WE HAVE HERE A COUPLE OF DATES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE END, END OF THE, THE YEAR YOU HAVE A NOVEMBER, THE 16TH DATE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, WE HAVE A DECEMBER 14TH DATE, UH, ALSO IN, UM, JULY.
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THAT IS THE THIRD, I BELIEVE.
THE THIRD, UM, THE THIRD MONDAY IS THE FOURTH MONDAY.
UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE.
THERE IS A, UM, A PA PLANNING CON, UH, PLANNING CONFERENCE THE FOURTH, ON THE FOURTH MONDAY.
SO DIDN'T WANT, WANT TO INTERVENE WITH, WITH PLANNERS INTENDING TO GO TO THAT PARTICULAR CONFERENCE.
UM, AND THAT, THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN DANVILLE.
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED CALENDAR FOR PUBLIC MEETING DATES THERE.
UM, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE ABLE TO, TO PROBABLY ASSIST YOU THERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY ASK MR. WADE A QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.
UM, IT SHOWS THAT TODAY'S MEETING DATE IS JANUARY 27TH.
AND UNLESS I'VE LOST A DAY, WHICH IS WHOLLY POSSIBLE, I THINK TODAY IS THE 26TH.
HORACE PUT HORSE, PUT IT IN THERE WRONG.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE CORRECTION BEFORE WE ADOPT IT.
THANK YOU MR. WADE AND MS. PERKINS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2026? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE SCHEDULE WITH THE, UH, SUGGESTED CORRECTION.
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MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.I WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE FOR 2026 WITH THE, UH, NOTED, UH, CORRECTIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPTED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 2026 WITH THE NOTED CORRECTION.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, UH, CONSENT ITEMS. DISPOSITION OF MINUTES.
WE'LL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME.
UM, ARE THEY ANY NOTED CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025? IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER THE 17TH.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED.
AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
HAVE IT, THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
NEXT, UH, THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 15TH, 2025.
IF THERE ARE NO ANY NOTED CORRECTIONS, FEEL FREE TO STATE THEM AT THIS TIME.
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS ONE NOTED CORRECTION THAT'S NEEDED, UH, IN THE ADOPTION OF THE MEETING AGENDA UHHUH? IT HAS, IT HAS MS. JENKINS AND I THINK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MS. JENKINS.
FOR, FOR WHICH, WHICH DATE? THAT'S ON THE DECEMBER THE 15TH.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE THAT IS? I'M SORRY.
THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTE, MINUTE MEETING AGENDA.
ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE AT THIS TIME.
I MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER THE 15TH, 2025 WITH THE NOTED CORRECTION.
AND SECOND THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 15TH, 2025 WITH THE NOTED CORRECTION.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
THE MEETING MINUTES ARE ADOPTED.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, OLD BUSINESS, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
UM, UH, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE DO HAVE, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, I THINK WE HAD JUST AT THIS POINT, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND RECEIVED PUBLIC INPUT, UM, ASKED COMMISSIONERS TO, UM, GIVE US SOME NOTES BACK.
I THINK WE DID HAVE, UM, TWO NOTES FOR MS. CHIEF COULD NOT MAKE IT TONIGHT, BUT SHE DID SEND, UM, AN EMAIL, UM, FOR I GUESS ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS OR, UM, TO THAT.
SO I, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, I CAN READ IT IN FOR THE RECORD.
IF YOU WOULD, UM, LET US KNOW WHAT THOSE, UM, SUGGESTED REVISIONS ARE, PLEASE.
UM, THOSE REVISIONS WERE ON PAGE 13.
UH, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UM, RECOMMEND CHANGING THE SECOND STATEMENT FROM STATE EDUCATION FUNDING IS ALLOCATED IN A WAY THAT SHORT CHANGES SURREY COUNTY TO THE STATE'S FORMULA FOR THE EDUCATION LOCATION.
COMPOSITE INDEX DOESN'T FAIRLY MEASURE THE FUNDING ALLOCATION SURREY NEEDS FOR ITS SCHOOLS.
UM, THAT THAT IS THE FIRST RECOMMENDED CHANGE.
AND THE SECOND ONE WAS, UM, UH, PAGE, UH, PAGE 14 AND PAGE 29 5 UNDER THREATS.
UM, SHE RECOMMENDED TO THE ONE THAT SAYS, UH, RACIAL TENSION AS, AS A, AS A, AS A THREAT.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE COMMENTS FROM MS. CHEEK? AND I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED THEM VIA EMAIL.
MR. HARDY? UH, I JUST WANTED TO, I GUESS, GET LEGAL, UH, GET LEGAL TO REVIEW AND, UH,
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SO EVERYBODY, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, IS MM-HMM.IS THE LANGUAGE, IS THE LANGUAGE APPROPRIATE? UM, UH, MS. PERKINS? YES.
UM, SO THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT SHE SUGGESTS THAT, UM, MS. CHEEKS SUGGESTS AS A CHANGE ON PAGE 13 YES.
UM, WOULD, WOULD IN FACT BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, THERE IS, IT, IT'S JUST A, A STATEMENT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME SOMEWHAT OPINION, SOMEWHAT FACT, UH, IT'S JUST A WORDSMITHING.
IF YOU COULD PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN, THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO, SO LOOKING AT HER RECOMMENDED CHANGE, UH, IS TO, IS TO CHANGE THE LINE THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, I'M SORRY, LET ME PUT ON MY READING GLASSES.
LEMME BUILD THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, THAT SECOND, THAT SECOND POINT, IT'S NOT A BULLET POINT, BUT, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE THE CURSOR IS POINTING, STATE EDUCATION FUNDING IS ALLOCATED IN A WAY THAT SHORE CHANGES SURREY COUNTY.
UM, SO HER, HER RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE IS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC TO IDENTIFY WHAT IN STATE, STATE EDUCATIONAL FUNDING IS, UM, IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT, TO THAT SHORTFALL.
WE'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT HOW THE, UH, COMPOSITE INDEX IS, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT UNFORTUNATELY WORKS, WORKS AGAINST SURREY COUNTY.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING.
UM, SO I, FROM A, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I, I THINK, I THINK THE, THE, THE WORDING THAT IS RECOMMENDED IS ACCURATE.
UM, WHETHER WE CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OR NOT, THAT'S REALLY NOT A, A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
IT'S A, IT'S A POLICY DECISION.
AND, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, MR. WADE, YOU AND WE'RE GOOD ALSO WITH STAFF.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY OF, UM, FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE.
AND I THINK FOR ANYBODY LOOKING AT WHAT IT IS, UH, IT MAKES US UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK THAT DOES MAYBE HELP THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
IT, IT, IT, AS YOU SAY, PROVIDES CLARITY TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE COMPOSITE INDEX AND HOW IT AFFECTS, UM, NOT ONLY THE EDUCATIONAL, UM, UH, FACILITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY, BUT, BUT SEVERAL THINGS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND I THINK YOU HAD THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMENT WAS, I THINK IT WAS PAGE, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS PAGE, UM, 14 TO 95.
AND, AND I'M SORRY, MR. WADE, BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THAT, SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT, UH, CHAIR WOODEN JUST MENTIONED, JUST I HAVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP.
SO, UM, TO YOUR POINT, CHAIR WOODEN ABOUT THE IT NOT JUST BEING ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, BUT IT UP BEING ABOUT OTHER ITEMS. DO WE NEED TO EXPAND THE LANGUAGE? 'CAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS VERY SPECIFIC TO NEEDS FOR ITS SCHOOLS.
I THINK IT WAS JUST SPEAKING TO SCHOOL EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES AT THAT TIME.
I WAS JUST STATING THAT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOR A FACT THAT IT DOES AFFECT FUNDING FOR OTHER THINGS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE FIRST, THE FIRST ONE.
IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE FOR THAT ONE.
THE OTHER ONE WAS, I GUESS FOR THREATS.
UM, IT WAS PAGE 14, I THINK SHE, WHAT WAS THE OTHER PAGE? 95, PAGE NINE FIVE.
SO, SO FOR THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I SAW MS. CHEEK'S EMAIL AND LOOKED AT HER COMMENTS, AND WHILE WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE, THE,
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THE AUTEN AUTHENTICITY OF, OF THE DOCUMENT, MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME WORDSMITHING.HE AS WELL, INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF SAYING RACIAL TENSIONS, MAYBE CULTURAL DIFFERENCES.
UM, OFTENTIMES, OFTENTIMES PEOPLE THAT MOVE TO S COUNTY HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW AND A DIFFERENT MINDSET OF HOW THINGS SHOULD WORK AND, AND HOW THINGS, UM, SHOULD BE, HOW GROWTH SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN THE FUTURE VERSUS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, ARE FROM SE THAT, THAT TRANSPOSE RACIAL LINES.
SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THE, THE WORDS, UM, CULTURAL DIFFERENCES INSTEAD OF JUST RACIAL TENSIONS.
ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS TO THAT? I'M IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I'LL, I'LL ADD THAT TO THE ELEMENTS FOR CORRECTIONS.
THERE IS CULTURAL, CULTURAL DIFFERENCES.
AND, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK THAT THAT PHRASE, THE RACIAL TENSION PHRASE APPEARS IN TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
SO IS THAT A CHANGE YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO BOTH, UM, BOTH THE REFERENCE ON PAGE, UM, GOSH, I FORGOT THE FIRST PAGE.
ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, SUGGESTED REVISIONS OR COMMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I KNOW YOU AND STAFF HAVE PRESENTED THIS TO US A NUMBER OF TIMES AND, AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
WE, WE ARE DEFINITELY MOVING FORWARD AND AT THIS TIME RIGHT NOW, WE JUST NEED A CONSISTENCE FROM THE COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE, WE ARE STAYED ON SCHEDULE, UM, DUE TO THIS, THIS PLATFORM.
UH, SO WE CAN HAVE A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT THE, AT THE, THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
SO JUST A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD TO WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE, ALRIGHT.
SO AT THIS TIME, IF, IF IT IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION, I JUST NEED A MOTION TO ALLOW STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATE REVISION SCHEDULED WITH THE NOTED, UH, CORRECTIONS OR REVISIONS.
IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITH THE NOTED CHANGES.
AND SECOND, THAT WE ALLOW STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATE WITH THE NOTED REVISIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UM, THE PLAN CAN MOVE FORWARD FOR SCHEDULE NEXT SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATE.
UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE KIND OF WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU WAS WE DID HAVE A, UH, WE, WE WERE WORKING WITH OUR SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, THERE WERE THREE ITEMS THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO, TO ADDRESS.
UM, ONE WAS LOOKING AT CHANGES TO THE AR DISTRICT, UM, CHANGES TO FAMILY SUBDIVISION AND, AND ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, I DO HAVE MISS, MS. HALEY KEEN, SHE'S GONNA GIVE YOU A UPDATE.
SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UH, THIS PORTION OF, OF, UM, AND DOING THE RESEARCH BEHIND THIS ONE.
SO I LET HER KIND OF TAKE OVER, UM, AND, AND, AND SHARE WITH YOU WHAT, UH, WHAT WHAT WE FOUND AS, AS STAFF, AS WELL AS WHAT WE WENT OVER WITH THE, WITH THE, THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, SO WE MET WITH THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, EARLIER THIS MONTH, UH, TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, BEING INCLUDED IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PHASED APPROACH THAT WE HAD, UM, DECIDED WE SHOULD APPROACH AMENDING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND PHASES.
UM, SO THIS FIRST PHASE, UM, WE KIND OF NAILED DOWN THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST, I'M SORRY.
UM, THE FIRST TWO THINGS WE'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON ARE CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THE AR DISTRICT, UM, AND KIND OF IN TANDEM, UM, CHANGES TO THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UM, PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO THE CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED MAKING TO THE AR DISTRICT ARE INCREASING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 10 ACRES.
RIGHT NOW, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THE AR DISTRICT IS LESS THAN AN ACRE.
UM, WHICH BOTH GOES AGAINST, UM,
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PROVISIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UM, DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, A RURAL WAY OF LIVING.UM, AND THEN SECOND, REMOVING FROM THE AR DISTRICT, UM, SECTION THREE DASH 3 0 3 CRITERIA FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL USES.
THIS SECTION, UM, DISCUSSES SOME SPECIFIC PROVISIONS, UH, THAT, UH, PREVIOUSLY CULTIVATED AGRICULTURAL FIELDS HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO BE SUBDIVIDED UNDER 10 ACRES.
SO IF WE CHANGE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE AR DISTRICT, THE THOUGHT IS WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS SPECIAL SPECIFIC PROVISION, UM, THAT PROTECTS AGRICULTURAL FIELDS.
UM, SO ALONGSIDE INCREASING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 10 ACRES, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IN ORDER TO MAKE IT MORE PERMISSIVE.
UM, THE VIRGINIA STATE CODE ALLOWS FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS, UM, TO BE KIND OF AN EXCEPTION TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
HOWEVER, SURREY COUNTY'S, UH, FAMILY SUBDIVISION CLAUSE OR SECTION DOESN'T CURRENTLY LIKE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
UM, USING THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION SECTION.
AND OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE KIND OF JUST PUTS MORE RESTRICTIONS ON SOMEONE WHO'S SEEKING THAT.
SO, UM, WE CAME UP WITH, UM, THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE SOME WAYS THAT WE THINK WE COULD MAKE THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION MORE PERMISSIVE, WHICH WOULD BOTH MITIGATE, UM, CHANGING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO A LOT LARGER AND THE AR DISTRICT AND ALSO, UM, UH, HELP TAKE ADVANTAGE, UH, BRING US UP TO SPEED, UM, WITH WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING.
WE ALSO AS STAFF, UM, WANTED TO BRING UP SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR PERHAPS FUTURE PHASES OF AMENDING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER, MORE IN DEPTH.
BUT, UM, SOMETHING WE WERE CONSIDERING IS IF WE MAKE THE AR DISTRICT 10 ACRES, UM, THE NEXT ZONING DISTRICT DOWN, IF YOU WANTED TO REZONE FOR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE R ONE, WHICH IS MUCH SMALLER THAN AN ACRE.
UM, SO THIS KIND OF OPENS THE DOOR FOR THE, A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, MAYBE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT FALLS IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE AR DISTRICT CHANGES ARE, UH, THAT WE DISCUSSED.
WE'RE CHANGING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 10 ACRES AND REMOVING SECTION THREE DASH 3 0 3 CRITERIA FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH CONTAIN SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR AGRICULTURAL LOTS THAT ARE OVER 10 ACRES.
UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, AS I MENTIONED AND MY INTRODUCTION, THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UM, CURRENTLY IN SURREY COUNTY DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY OF THE PERMISSIVE ELEMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY THE CODE OF THE VIRGINIA.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE CONCERN HERE IS THE SMALLER LOT SIZE THAN ZONING DISTRICT STANDARD.
MANY OTHER COUNTIES, UM, IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, UH, HAVE THIS KIND OF, UM, AS LIKE A LIKE WAY TO, UM, ALLOW SOMEBODY TO GIVE A FAMILY MEMBER OR SELL A FAMILY MEMBER, UM, A PIECE OF THEIR PROPERTY TO KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY.
UM, MANY OF THE COUNTY SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS AT THIS TIME ARE CURRENTLY FOUR SMALL SUBDIVISIONS TO BE GIFTED OR SOLD TO FAMILY MEMBERS ANYWAY.
SO IF WE WERE TO RAISE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE AR DISTRICT TO 10 ACRES, THIS MIGHT CAUSE UM, A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THIS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO AMEND THIS AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS A CHART THAT I PUT TOGETHER THAT I THINK WAS IN YOUR, UM, PACKET ALSO.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT SUPER IN DEPTH, BUT I WILL GO THROUGH IT.
IT KIND OF COMPARES THESE COUNTIES, SPOTSYLVANIA, DIM, WITTY PRINCE GEORGE AND CHESTERFIELD WITH SURREY, UM, FAMILY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, TO SHOW PLACES WHERE THEY MAYBE HAVE MORE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLYING FOR A FAMILY, UH, SUBDIVISION.
AND THEY HAVE, UM, THOSE PERMISSIVE ELEMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE, UM, STATE
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CODE OF VIRGINIA.UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE TO CH UH, OF CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO OURS SPECIFICALLY, UM, DURATION OF OWNERSHIP.
THIS IS HOW LONG, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO OWN THE PARCEL, UH, AFTER IT IS GIFTED TO LIKE THE FAMILY MEMBER WHO RECEIVES THE PARCEL AFTER IT IS GIFTED OR SOLD TO THEM.
UH, MOST PLACES HAVE THAT IT SHOULD, UH, REMAIN IN THAT FAMILY MEMBER'S POSSESSION FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER THEY RECEIVE IT.
UM, SURY COUNTY ALSO HAS THAT RIGHT NOW OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UM, WE ALSO ALLOW THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HIS DISCRETION, HIS OR HER DISCRETION AND SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, THESE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OR, UM, EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, AS MS. PERKINS MENTIONED DURING OUR MEETING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE DIVORCE OR BANKRUPTCY OR SOME OTHER, UM, THING THAT MAKES IT SO SOMEBODY HAS TO, UM, CHANGE THE OWNERSHIP BECAUSE OF A TRULY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
UH, THIS VARIES A LOT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES THAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE.
OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS THAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, UH, WOULD BE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THIS SITUATION IN THE AR DISTRICT TO 10 ACRES.
WE WANT TO MAKE IT IF POSSIBLE, SO THAT THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IS ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE AR DISTRICT.
UM, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE RECEIVING PROPERTY AS PART OF A FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UM, CAN HAVE ONE ACRE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE ACRE AND 150 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
THIS IS SO THAT WE DON'T GET, LIKE, UM, WHENEVER WE CHANGE THE AR DISTRICT MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 10 ACRES, THE ROAD FRONTAGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET LARGER.
WE WERE THINKING SOMETHING LIKE 450 FEET TO COMPENSATE FOR THE FACT THAT NOW IT'S 10 ACRES.
UM, BUT ONE ACRE AND 450 FEET ROAD FRONTAGE DOESN'T REALLY MAKE THAT MUCH SENSE.
SO WE WOULD CHANGE IT TO ONE ACRE AND ONLY REQUIRE 150 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
UM, WE WOULD ALSO EXEMPT IT FROM SECTION 8.2 0.4 AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, THIS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE A LOT BETWEEN ONE AND TWO ACRES IN YOUR SUBDIVISION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE A CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM.
UM, THIS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS KIND OF ANTICIPATING THAT YOU'RE MAKING A LOT SIZE THIS SIZE BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING A VERY DENSE, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TYPE SUBDIVISION.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS FOR A FAMILY DIVISION, WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR IT TO, UM, MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, SO THEN THIS SECTION CURRENT OWNER MEANS LIKE, UM, THE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO GIFT OR SELL THE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBER.
UM, A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVE IT SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO, UM, HAVE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU GAVE IT TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBER.
UM, WE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, WE HAD INITIALLY RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, YOU MUST HAVE OWNED IT FOR TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR COULD HAVE DISCRETION AND EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
HOWEVER, SOME, SOME MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN OUR LAST MEETING, UM, FELT THAT THIS WAS UNNECESSARY.
SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE UP FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, THE NEXT ONE, ADDITIONAL APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, THESE COUNTIES HAD IN THEIR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, TO FURTHER KIND OF LIKE MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, LIKE WHOEVER THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED TO AFTER THE SUBDIVISION HAPPENS, UM, IT'S LEGITIMATE.
SO, UM, MOST PLACES REQUIRED THAT YOU, UH, HAVE LANGUAGE ON THE PLAT OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT SAYS, UM, THIS IS PART OF A FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS, UH, DOCUMENTED ON THE PLAT FOR PERPETUITY.
UM, SOME PLACES HAD YOU SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT
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AND SOME PLACES JUST REQUIRED THAT YOU HAD DEED LANGUAGE.UM, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, SPOTSYLVANIA HAD EXTENSIVE REQUIREMENTS, UM, COMPARED TO THE OTHER PLACES, INCLUDING REQUIRING A DEEP RESTRICTION, UH, PROHIBITING THE TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY FOR 15 YEARS.
UM, IF IT IS IN A TRUST, I THINK SPECIFICALLY IS WHAT THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MAKE IT MORE SIMILAR TO SPOTSYLVANIA REQUIREMENTS JUST BECAUSE THAT IS GONNA MAKE SURE, UM, THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING ADVANTAGE, UM, OF THIS PERMISSIVE PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, AND OTHER IS THE ONLY OTHER SECTION HERE WHERE WE HAD A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION.
AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS AVAILABLE IN THE AR DISTRICT ONLY.
UM, I WROTE IF POSSIBLE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IN MY RESEARCH, I THINK, UM, WE WERE LOOKING INTO SEEING IF THE STATE CODE ACTUALLY RECO, UH, ALLOWED YOU TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MS. PERKINS, BUT I THINK WE FOUND THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE TO DO THAT.
YES, YOU'RE REMEMBERING CORRECTLY.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST THING, UM, MY SCREEN ACTUALLY ISN'T SHOWING THE VERY LAST ROW THERE.
IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE LAST ONE, UM, THE STATE CODE ALLOWS, UM, A FEW FAMILY MEMBERS TO RECEIVE PROPERTY FROM A FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT ARE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CURRENTLY DOESN'T ALLOW, UM, WHICH ARE NIECES, NEPHEWS, AUNTS AND UNCLES.
SO WE WERE THINKING, UM, MAYBE AMENDING THE, UH, SECTION TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO, UM, GIVE OR SELL PIECES OF PROPERTY TO THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS AS WELL USING THIS PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO THIS WAS THE LAST PART THAT I WAS DISCUSSING EARLIER.
UM, WE WERE CONSIDERING IF WE MAKE THE AR DISTRICT MINIMUM LOT SIZE MUCH LARGER, UM, AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, UM, THE NEXT LOWEST RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WOULD BE, OR YEAH, THE NEXT LOWEST RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WOULD BE R ONE, WHICH ALLOWS A VERY SMALL LOT SIZE DEPE, UH, 10,000 TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET DEPENDING ON THE UTILITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE SITE.
SO, UM, BECAUSE THIS GAP IS SO LARGE, NOT ONLY IS THIS GAP REALLY LARGE, BUT UM, THERE ARE PLACES IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT AREN'T SERVED BY EITHER OF THESE.
SO WE HAVE THIS HUGE AMOUNT OF THE COUNTY THAT IS ZONED AR WE WOULD RAISE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 10 ACRES, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT TO GIVE US MORE, UM, CONTROL OVER WHERE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A REZONING IN ORDER TO DO A DENSER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE ONLY, UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AVAILABLE TO CHOOSE FROM AT THIS TIME WOULD BE THIS VERY SMALL, UM, ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THAT WOULD, IS VERY DENSE.
SO WE WERE THINKING, UM, THIS COULD BE MITIGATED BY PUTTING ONE IN BETWEEN, WHICH IS A VERY COMMON THING THAT A LOT OF OTHER COUNTIES HAVE.
UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS NEXT SLIDE.
UM, ONE THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SPECIFICALLY WAS PRINCE GEORGE, WHICH HAS A DISTRICT THAT THEY CALL RURAL ESTATE.
AND IT IS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S ONE THAT'S IN BETWEEN THEIR AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH THEIR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS FIVE ACRES.
AND THEIR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OURS, UM, 15 TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET, IT IS ONE ACRE.
SO THAT KIND OF MAKES IT SO IF SOMEBODY'S SEEKING A REZONING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REZONE TO THIS LIKE MORE URBAN, UM, DENSE ZONING DISTRICT.
THEY CAN REZONE TO SOMETHING THAT MATCHES WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BETTER.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE PLACES IN THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL INVESTMENT CORRIDOR AND STUFF, ALL OF THOSE ARE CLOSER TO ONE ACRE, UM, UH, RECOMMENDED DENSITY.
SO THIS WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THAT
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AREA.AND I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE AND THIS PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME OR ANY COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS THAT WERE ON THE, UH, SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE? MR. CHAIR? GO AHEAD.
UM, AND I WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE AND, AND DOING THE, UM, THE, THE DURATION OF THE OWNERSHIP PART MM-HMM
IT SAYS, UH, I GOTTA GO BACK TO MY OTHER PAGE, BUT IT WAS LIKE FOR, FOR, UM, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE DURATION AND, UM, MAY, NO, IT WAS THE CURRENT OWNER, I'M SORRY, MUST HAVE OWNED IT FOR TWO YEARS.
WE, MY PERSONAL, UM, OPINION AND WHEN SHE SAID IT WAS MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON THIS IS, IS IF, IF A FAMILY, ME OR SOMEBODY BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY WANNA SPLIT IT UP IMMEDIATELY TO GIVE TO THEIR KIDS OR TO PEOPLE THAT CAN QUALIFY FOR THE SAME FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UM, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY HAVE TO, MY OPINION IS THAT THEY DON'T WAIT THE TWO YEARS.
THEY CAN DO IT IMMEDIATELY, BUT THOSE PEOPLE CAN'T SELL IT OR DO ANYTHING WITH IT FOR THE FIVE YEARS.
SO IT STAYS IN THE FAMILY FOR FIVE YEARS.
YOU KNOW, IF I BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, I GOTTA WAIT TWO YEARS TO, UM, BEFORE I CAN GIVE IT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, SPLIT IT UP TO MY KIDS, UH, OR WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, TO SEND THE FAMILY THAT WE DECIDE ON THAT.
SO THAT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT.
IT WAS A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT OWNER.
UM, I, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, SCENARIOS IS THAT YOU DON'T WAIT THE, THE FIVE YEARS, YOU, YOU CAN DO IT IMMEDIATELY IF ONCE YOU HAVE GOT THE LAND DEEDED TO YOU IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO, BUT THEN WHOEVER GETS IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT UNTIL FIVE YEARS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING EITHER WHAT MR. BROCK JUST STATED OR THE PRESENTATION IN GENERAL? UM, THIS IS DAVID COGAN.
I GUESS MY, UM, I GUESS I'M ASSUMING IF WE DID THAT MEDIUM DENSITY ZONE, THERE WOULD BE RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD GO WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SEVERAL, FOUR OR FIVE ONE ACRE LOTS CLOSE TO EACH OTHER THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A 10 ACRE LOT OUT IN AR OR PEOPLE MIGHT, I DUNNO, I'M THINKING SHOOT GUNS OR HAVE ANIMALS, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A AR WHERE THERE'S 10 ACRES AND THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT YOU START PUTTING FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES BESIDE EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, ON ONE ACRE LOTS.
OR AM I, AM I CORRECT IN THINKING THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS YES.
UM, MORE THAN LIKELY WE WOULD, IF A, IF A DEVELOPER CAME TO US THAT WANTED TO DO SOME TYPE OF RE I LIKE THAT WE WOULD STEER TO DO A CONDITIONAL REZONING, UM, WHICH CASE WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM, UM, AND THEY WOULD PROPOSE SOME TYPE OF PROFFER STATEMENTS, UM, TO, TO BE HELD AND, AND WE'LL WORK WITH OUR, WITH, UM, COUNTY ATTORNEY, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, UM, LEGALLY.
SO MORE THAN LIKELY THAT WOULD THOSE CONDITIONS INITIALLY, UM, OR CONDITIONS OR, OR PROFFERS WOULD STATEMENT WOULD COME TO YOU ALL BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS FOR REZONING.
SO THAT'S, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING, UM, WITH, WITH THESE SE THESE SEVERAL STEPS THERE, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE.
UM, BUT MORE LIKELY THERE WOULD BE SOME CONDITIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OR LIKE SOME TYPE OF, LIKE I SAID, CONDITIONAL REZONING AND THEN IF WE DID THIS, THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, AND A PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE A LOT OF 10 ACRES PRETTY MUCH BY, RIGHT.
IF THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE 'EM SMALLER, THEN THAT WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INPUT OF WHAT, WHAT LOT SIZES AND WHERE THEY'RE DOING IT.
IS IT, AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT? YEAH, YEAH.
SO SOME, SOME OF THE PIECES ABOUT THAT IS IF THEY, IF THEY WENT TO, LET'S SAY, REZONE TO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO OUR CASE STUDY THAT WE HAD FROM PRINCE GEORGE, UH, SO SOMETHING LIKE A RE DISTRICT WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ONE ACRE.
IF THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, THEY COULD NOT DO IT BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ONE ACRE.
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THEY WANTED SUBISE SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME TYPE OF, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH REZONING.NOT SURE THAT THE, THE PLAN COMMISSION, THE BOARD, THE PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WHERE THE BOARD WOULD DECIDE UPON UPON THAT.
BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY'D HAVE TO DO IS TO GO THROUGH SOME TYPE OF REZONING.
UM, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER.
WOULD IT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? FOR A, A ZONING CHANGE? YES.
AND I MAKE, MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
SO, SO IF I HAVE A 10 ACRE LOT NOW AND I WANT TO SELL IT, I WANNA CUT IT IN TWO FIVE ACRE LOTS.
ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET IT REZONED FROM AR TO RE AND THEY CAN STILL SELL IT IN A SMALLER LOT SIZE, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE REZONED RE VERSUS AR.
WE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE JUST DECIDED UPON WHAT IT WAS GONNA BE CALLED OR ANYTHING YET, BUT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST THINKING FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, UM, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO AT LEAST STARRED UPON SOME TYPE OF CONSISTENCE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO KIND OF MAKE US GO DOWN THAT DIRECTION NOW INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, STAFF SAYING, OH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA JUST START DRAFTING UP ORDINANCES.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU ALL WANNA SEE THAT KIND OF, KIND OF HELPS US GO DOWN FROM THE AR DISTRICT DOWN TO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN AR AND R ONE, BUT YES.
AND THEN MY LAST, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I, I'M ALL FOR IT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN, I THINK I, EVERYBODY'S WELL AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IS CUTTING UP FARMLAND TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL HOUSES AND I KNOW THERE'S ONE ON 31 WHERE THERE WAS SOME LOTS SUBDIVIDED UP, THERE WERE AGRICULTURAL AND NOW THEY'RE LESS THAN 10 ACRES, BUT THE FARMER THAT'S BESIDE THEM, THAT'S FARMING, HE'S PAYING THE SAME TAX ON IT, IS THE $750,000 HOUSE THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT ON THE EXISTING LAND, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A CATCH 22, IT DRIVES UP, AM I WRONG? IT DRIVES UP THE COST TO THE FARMER.
I, I FEEL LIKE IF YOU WANNA BUILD A HOUSE AND AN AR, IT OUGHT TO BE ZONED DIFFERENTLY AND YOU OUGHT TO, I FEEL LIKE YOU OUGHT TO PAY A HIGHER TAX.
BUT THAT'S FOR THE, MAYBE WHEN WE HAVE OUR JOINT SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD TOPIC, UM, YOU KNOW, TO DISCUSS THEN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE FARMERS, YOU KNOW, IS TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING.
HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE SAME TAXES AS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMING IN BUILDING A $750,000 HOUSE ON A LOT THAT WAS FORMALLY, YOU KNOW, HIS LIVELIHOOD.
DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WENT FROM OUR LAST, WHAT WAS IT, LAST BOARD MEETING? I THINK THERE WAS, THERE WERE THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE TAXED SO THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING I THINK SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS BROUGHT UP.
SO I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION I DO THINK THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE WITH MS. PERKINS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THEY WANTED TO HAVE WITH, UM, THE, UM, THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS HELPING THAT, HELPING THE COUNTY OUT TO FI TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND THERE'S ALSO A LEGAL ANALYSIS THAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE THE, UM, WE ARE VERY, ALL JURISDICTIONS IN VIRGINIA ARE, ARE VERY RESTRICTED BY WHAT THE VIRGINIA CODE ALLOWS US TO DO.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY, BUT NOT MUCH FLEXIBILITY ON ASSIGNING DIFFERENT TAX RATES TO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER ANALYSIS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING WHAT MR. COGAN IS SUGGESTING CAN'T BE DONE, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S, WE NEED TO CHECK TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO UNDER VIRGINIA LAW.
I MEAN, I, IF I, AM I CORRECT THAT LIKE M1 AND M TWO, THEY, THEY ARE TAXED AT A DIFFERENT RATE? CORRECT? I, I'M SORRY, I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW DEFINITIVELY THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RESPONDING, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY, UM, CHECK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO THE COMMISSION AT THEIR NEXT, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
MR. BROCK AND MS. PERKINS, ARE THEY ANY OUT THE COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS MATTER? YEAH.
MS. TODD, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU TO STAFF AND EVERYBODY FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
UH, AND, AND THE, UM, SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE TEAM MEMBERS, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME GREAT DISCUSSION AND, AND, UM, UM, MR. BROCK'S BOARD UP A GREAT POINT.
MR. CAU BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS AS WELL TOO.
UH, AND, AND, AND OF COURSE MISS MS. MISS, UM, UM, GOSH, I CAN'T THINK OF HER NAME.
THE YOUNG LADY IS NOT PRESENT.
MS. CHEEK, UH, WE'VE ALL COME UP WITH SOME GREAT IDEAS.
UM, MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THIS LIKE ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS FOR THE CITIZENS TO, TO TRY TO, UH, IT WOULDN'T BE A HARDSHIP ON THE CITIZENS BECAUSE I KNOW, UH, YOU GET A LOT OF APPLICATION FEES AND YOU GET PERMITS AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A HECK OF A COST SOMETIMES ON THE CITIZENS.
SO I JUST WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THIS PROCESS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THE
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CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.THAT WAS JUST KIND OF MY, MY 2 CENTS, UM, ON IT.
I TOO WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO, TO TRY TO BRING THIS TO, TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE.
AND NOT TO BE CONTRARY, BUT I WANTED TO ASK, UH, CAN WE GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THE MEDIUM SIZED DISTRICT, MAYBE INCREASING THAT FROM ONE ACRE TO MAYBE TWO? UM, I KNOW WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME THINGS IN THE PAST, I THINK THE ORDINANCE SOMEWHERE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER.
SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING A, A MEDIUM SIZED LOT, UM, RESTRICTION IN, IN BETWEEN, UM, THE AR AND THE R ONE, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE INCREASING THAT LOT SIZE TO, TO TWO ACRES INSTEAD OF ONE.
NOTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REALLY PINPOINT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MENTION.
THE, UM, LOT SIZES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, WE HAVEN'T EVEN REALLY BRAINSTORMED UNDERSTOOD A STAFF WHAT WE WOULD DO.
THESE ARE JUST DIRECTLY TAKEN FROM PRINCE GEORGE'S OR DISTRICT, SO THAT'S TOTALLY, WE'RE ALL EARS IF YOU GUYS HAVE IDEAS.
UM, WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GAUGE INTEREST IN THIS CONCEPT IN GENERAL.
UH, CAN I ASK WADE, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR
WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME OF MR. WADE, YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? UM, HOW OF THIS ONE, I THINK WE DO HAVE IT FOR YOU, A DRAFT IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU DO HAVE A DRAFT FORM OF THE FAMINE DIVISION.
UM, GOSH, WHAT, WHAT YOU PUT, YOU PUT ME IN A SPOT THERE.
SO I, I I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE, WE LIKE TO HAVE EVERY, LEMME SAY WHAT WE LIKE TO DO.
WE LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING FROM YOU WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF MONTHS.
UM, MORE, MORE THAN LIKELY PROBABLY THREE MONTHS.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO, BUT WE'RE ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY WORKING ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE HERE.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE PIECES THAT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT TREPIDATION ON IS THE FACT THAT, UM, IN JULY OF, OF, OF LAST YEAR, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD, WE COULD, WE COULD DO IT.
IT'S, IT'S BECOME A BREAKDOWN.
SO IT'S, IT IS HARD TO ENFORCE THINGS.
SO I HATE TO JUST CHANGE ONE SECTION AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE STILL BE, STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE CODE.
SO I HA I I HAVE A LITTLE TREPIDATION ABOUT THAT.
I, I, I JUST WANNA KIND OF KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT TOO.
'CAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE THAT UPFRONT WE COULD, WE COULD CHANGE THE FA DIS DIVISION AND, AND CH AND MAKE A CHANGE TO THE, UM, AR DISTRICT.
BUT I, I WONDER HOW THAT WOULD FEEL IF WE JUST LEFT EVERYTHING ELSE WITHOUT TOUCHING IT.
AND, AND JUST, JUST WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, MS. PERKINS? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. WADE, UM, SO I, I BELIEVE I HAVE PREVIOUSLY STATED THIS, UM, AT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
CERTAINLY BEST PRACTICE IS TO DO A FULL COMPREHENSIVE OVERHAUL AT ONE TIME.
HOWEVER, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IMPLEMENTED LAST YEAR WITH PARTICULAR RESPECT TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, UM, THAT THAT IS A PROCESS THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE ENGAGEMENT OF OUTSIDE COUNSEL, UM, JUST TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE DOTTING OUR I'S AND CROSSING OUR T'S.
UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A LENGTHY PROCESS.
UM, THE, I CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH A PHASED APPROACH AND IMPLEMENTING IT IN A PHASED APPROACH AS LONG AS WE ARE ALSO ACTIVELY WORKING ON MAKING THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE REVISIONS TO THE, TO THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO GET IT INTO LEGAL COMPLIANCE.
AND I THINK AS LONG AS WE MAKE THAT CLEAR DURING THE PROCESS ON ENACTING THIS PHASED APPROACH AND, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE EVEN HAVE THE PHASED APPROACH, UM, OUTLINED.
SO PHASE ONE IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ABOUT THE, THE AR DISTRICT, THE, THE LOT SIZES, THE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS, AND THEN IF WE CAN KIND OF GET SOME AGREEMENT TO WHAT PHASE TWO IS GOING TO BE, THEN UM, I I CAN, I CAN GET COMFORTABLE.
UM, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND, AND I AGREE IT'S PROBABLY NOT BEST PRACTICE, BUT IN AN EFFORT TO MOVE THIS ALONG, GIVEN THE DIRECTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PROVIDED TO US, I, I CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH A PHASED APPROACH TO THIS, BUT I'LL, I'M SORRY.
I WILL ALSO ADD THAT, UM, THE, THE ORDINANCE DRAFT THAT IS,
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THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET, UM, HAS NOT UNDERGONE A FULL LEGAL REVIEW.AND THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED, UM, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT IS A PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
SO THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
AND I, I SAY THAT MERELY SO THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS IS NOT, EVEN IF WE PROCEED WITH THIS PHASED APPROACH, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE ON YOUR AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY.
I THINK THE CLOSEST WE CAN DO, THE QUICKEST WE CAN DO IS MARCH.
AND, AND MR. BERRYMAN, I THINK TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK TONIGHT THE, UM, STAFF IS LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION IF WE ARE IN CONSENSUS FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WORKING ON THIS, IF I'M CORRECT, MR. WADE, IN STATING THAT THAT'S THAT IS CORRECT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THE MATTER? IF NOT, WHAT I JUST STATED IS, IS WHAT MR. WADE AND STAFF ARE LOOKING FOR A, A CONSENSUS FROM US, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, GIVING THEM APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, ON THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATES.
IS THERE A MOTION CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, UM, DIRECT THE, UM, STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE UPDATES OF THE, UM, SUBDIVISION OR, AND THE, UM, ORDINANCE.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN PROBABLY MOVED.
AND SECOND THAT WE ALLOW STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE A.
OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE THE MOTION IS CARRIED, UH, MR WAY YOU ALL CAN MOVE FORWARD.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NEW BUSINESS.
I DO NOT SEE ANY NEW BUSINESS IN THE PACKET.
UH, FOLLOWING THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. WADE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, ALTHOUGH I DID NOT SEE ANYONE ON THE SCREEN, BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL, WE'LL STATE THAT, UH, UH, ALL THOSE THAT ARE HERE IN THE MEETING.
IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, COMMENT, UH, WE ASK THAT YOU RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE, WE WILL ASK AND THEN WE WILL, WE WILL PROMPT YOU TO SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
UM, AT THIS POINT I'M LOOKING AT, AT ALL THE ATTENDEES RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, YOUR ELECTRONIC HAND, AND THEN WE'LL CALL ON YOU.
I DID NOT SEE ANYONE RAISING THEIR HAND AT THIS TIME.
UH, NEXT ITEM IS COMMITTEE UPDATES.
I KNOW WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH EXTENSIVE UPDATES ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE COMMITTEE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE UPDATES, MR. WADE? UH, NO.
PC SECRETARY OF COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, I, AT THIS TIME IT APPEARS AS THOUGH I THINK WHAT MS. PERKINS SAID WE CAN, AT THE EARLIEST, WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE A ORDINANCE FOR YOU IN A PHASED APPROACH FOR SUBDIVISIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, YOUR MARCH MEETING A AGAIN, I THINK IF MR. BERMAN PUT ME ON THE SPOT, BUT I THINK I I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, UH, MORE LIKELY, UH, APRIL IS PROBABLY A TIME PERIOD THAT I COULD PROBABLY, UM, ALMOST GUARANTEE SOMETHING WOULD BE FORCED.
BUT IF, IF WE'RE WE'RE PRESSED, WE PROBABLY COULD DO MARCH.
BUT I I I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE LEGAL, THE LEGAL PORTIONS CORRECT.
UM, AND, AND HAD TIME TO, TO THINK ABOUT SOME THINGS AND, UM, AND, AND HAVE, HAVE SOME GOOD STUFF BEFORE YOU.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY MORE LIKELY APRIL, BUT WE COULD HAVE IT, LIKE MS. PERKIN SAID, WE COULD HAVE IT BEFORE YOU BY MARCH.
SO, UH, ONE, ONE OF THOSE TWO MONTHS.
BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND BY NEXT, BY THE NEXT MEETING.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF I MAY? YES, MA'AM.
JUST A, A BRIEF RE FRIENDLY REMINDER, UH, THAT YOUR, UH, YOUR REAL ESTATE DISCLOSURES ARE DUE BACK TO ME BY FEBRUARY THE SECOND.
UM, THAT IS A STATE DEADLINE, NOT A LOLA DEADLINE.
UM, THIS YEAR I AM ACCEPTING, UH, SCANNED COPIES BY EMAIL IF, IF YOU DID LIKE A WET SIGNATURE AS LONG AS, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THE, THE WEEKS THAT FOLLOW THAT FEBRUARY 2ND DEADLINE, I CAN ACTUALLY RECEIVE A, A COPY WITH A WET SIGNATURE.
SO, UM, SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THIS REQUIREMENT AND I, AND I THANK YOU.
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YOUR DISCLOSURE FROM LAST YEAR OR IF YOU NEED ANOTHER HARD COPY, UM, MS. CARLSON AND I ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.JUST, UM, SEND US, SEND US A QUICK MESSAGE OR LET ME KNOW RIGHT NOW AND I'LL WRITE IT DOWN AND WE WILL GET THAT OUT TO YOU.
AND JUST AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, TO MR. WADE AND STAFF AND EVERYONE THAT'S WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE THIS, UH, MEETING HAPPEN TO, TO KEEP US ON SCHEDULE.
WE APPRECIATE, UH, THAT, UM, AND WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE AND AND WARM AS WE CONTINUE TO NAVIGATE THIS
I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'LL BE BACK IN SCHOOL, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO OUR FEBRUARY THE 23RD MEETING.
IT IS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND THE SECOND THAT WE ADJOURN TO OUR FEBRUARY 23RD MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT NIGHT AND PLEASE BE SAFE.