* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WILL NOT, IT'LL [00:00:01] BREAK AS YOU KNOW. RIGHT. YOU'D EXPECT [* This meeting has been joined in progress *] [Highway Transportation Safety Commission on May 13, 2026.] ANYTHING ON THE SIDE OF A ROAD. SO, YOU KNOW, FINGERS CROSSED, IT'LL, IT'LL LAST AND NOBODY WILL DECIDE TO USE IT FOR TARGET PRACTICE OR SOMETHING. BUT THAT STUFF DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES. UM, AND WE WILL, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT IF FUNDING IN THE GRANT. SO WE HOPE THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY PROBLEMS, WE CAN FIX ANYTHING AT LEAST IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS. OKAY. THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN. YEAH. SEEING THIS ONE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE HIGHWAY, I WONDERED HOW MUCH VANDALISM THEY WOULD BE GETTING. YEAH. I MEAN, WE, THEY TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK KIND OF BORING AND, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, IT'S A, IT'S A POLE WITH A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND A LITTLE SOLAR PANEL. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE IT ANY LESS CONSPICUOUS . OKIE, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? FRANCIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT'S, UM, OKAY. WELL, I HOPE THAT Y'ALL, AS SOON AS YOU GET, UM, THE PERMIT TO VDOT, USUALLY WE CAN GET THESE THINGS INSTALLED WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS AND THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION ONLY TAKES ABOUT AN HOUR OR TWO. SO, UM, AS SOON AS Y'ALL ARE READY, YOU'LL BE HOPEFULLY UP AND RUNNING. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE WAITING ON THE BOARD SUPERVISORS THEN? YEP. OKAY. MR. HARDY, HEY, ARE YOU GOT SOMETHING YOU WANNA SPEAK TO US ON TONIGHT? I CAN. I WAS ALWAYS WELCOME TO, UH, SHARE. IT'D BE NICE IF YOU COULD. ALRIGHT, COUPLE THINGS I GUESS. GOOD EVENING BOARD. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE. UH, GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE. UH, FIRST I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO. UM, Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE HIGHEST FUNCTIONING BOYS IN THE COUNTY THAT NOBODY EVEN KNOWS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, THAT'S A GOOD THING GUESS. BUT, UH, ALONG WITH MS. BAILEY AND, UH, AND THE STAFF THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DON'T HEAR A WHOLE LOT, BUT YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY THANK YOU 'CAUSE I'M IN TUNE TO WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GROUND SOMETIMES. I DON'T HAVE MUCH. UM, AGAIN, UM, I SIT, ACTUALLY SIT ON THE HR PDC FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SO I'M KIND OF IN TUNE WITH, UH, WITH, UH, WHAT SHE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO LIKE SHE SAID, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE FIRST TIME AS A PILOT PROGRAM. AND SO THIS IS LIKE, I GUESS THE REFINED AND IN THE LONG TERM. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT TOOL, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THESE LOW LINE AREAS THAT WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE ON IT'S BACK ROAD. SO, AND UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE THAT GAUGE GOES OFF, I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY GET SOME ATTENTION TO IT. DID I KNOW MR. CARROLL, UH, MOVED ON, SO I DEFINITELY HAD TO SEND HIM A, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A WELL TO DO EMAIL, YOU KNOW, SOME VERY BIG SHOES TO FILL. HE'S A GREAT, HE WAS A GREAT ASSET FOR SUR COUNTY, SO, UH, UH, GOOD LUCK TO YOU, UH, IF YOU, UH, GET THE JOB, BUT I DEFINITELY, I'LL BE, MATTER OF FACT, I'VE EMAILED YOU A FEW TIMES ALREADY, SO I KNOW YOU PROBABLY MIGHT RECALL. BUT ANYWAY, DON'T A BORE YOU ALL. AS YOU ALL KNOW, MR. CALHOUN QUIT OR RESIGNED FROM THE BOS. SO, UH, WE ARE AWARE WE'LL GET A NEW, UM, UH, BOARD MEMBER FOR YOU GUYS, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND LAST THING I DID DURING OUR BOS MEETING LAST WEEK, I KNOW THE FIVE YEAR PLAN IS GREAT, BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY TO GET A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS DONE. SO I DID SPEAK WITH MR. WADE. UM, MY CONCERN, I'M A LITTLE PARTIAL TO THE BIGGEST CASTLE AREA, OBVIOUSLY OKAY, A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTIAL TO THE BIGGEST CASTLE AREA . BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ROUTE SIX 17 ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, WHITE MARSH ROAD AND, UM, BIGGEST CASTLE TRAIL. YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE ROADS ARE HORRIBLE UP TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BEACHLAND ROAD. SO, UM, THE LONG TERM WE DO WANT TO IMPROVE, UM, THOSE TWO STRETCHES, UH, OF A ROADWAY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MIRROR WHAT'S ON THE, YOU KNOW, FROM BELAND TOWARDS WAKEFIELD. I THINK, UH, THE CITIZENS DESERVE IT, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, IS MORE HIGHLY TRAVELED THAN IT WAS OBVIOUSLY 20 YEARS AGO, RIGHT? AND [00:05:01] IT IS VERY DANGEROUS. IT'S VERY, VERY DANGEROUS. UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, TRUCKS ARE STILL, UH, TURNING ON THE DO NOT TURN ROAD DOWN BY THE, UH, UH, VEGAS CASTLE CHURCH. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LINE, A SIGN ALIGNMENT ISSUE, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST PEOPLE GET, UM, SIGN, WE CALL IT A SIGN LINE, BUT WE KNOW IT'S THERE, BUT PEOPLE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE IT BUT THEY DON'T SEE IT. AND, UM, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS A SAFETY, UH, INCIDENT TO OCCUR WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREVENT THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO I KNOW LONG TERM, UH, MR. HORACE, UH, MR. WADE, MATTER OF FACT, HE'S GOING TALK WITH THE H HR PDC AND THE OTHER, UM, UH, PLANNING DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE IS SOME, UH, SECONDARY ROAD FUNDING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMING AVAILABLE, HOPEFULLY COMING AVAILABLE HERE SOONER THAN LATER. BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT, HOW THAT, UH, HOW THAT GOES. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, FUNDING IS ALWAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHO'S IN THE, IN THE STATE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GRANT IT AND PULL IT BACK DEPENDING ON THE BUDGET. SO, BUT ALL WE CAN DO IS KEEP PUSHING AND HOPING AND, AND I TRY TO MAKE THINGS SAFER FOR OUR, FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO AGAIN, THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO AND, UM, YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM ME, PLEASE DON'T, DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT. OKAY? THANK YOU MR. DOLEY. ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT ? YES, SIR. EVERY TIME I BROUGHT THIS UP TO ROSSI, HE WOULD TELL ME THERE'S NO, THAT'S NOT NEVER GOING TO OCCUR AGAIN IN THE COUNTY, THESE LEAD OFF BLIND DITCHES THAT WAS LEADING OFF FROM THE ROAD, HE SAYS THERE'S FOR SOME REASON ALL OF A SUDDEN WE COULDN'T PUT STATE EQUIPMENT OVER ON THERE, PRIVATE LAND, BUT THEY OPEN THEM UP AGAIN. THAT IS OUR MAIN CONCERN RIGHT NOW IN SURY COUNTY. EVERY ONE OF THOSE BLIND DITCHES ARE GROWED UP AND IT'S CAUSING A BIG PROBLEM. THAT'S PUTTING THE WATER ON THE HIGHWAY. AIN'T NO REASON FOR THAT ROAD SIX 17 RUNNING FROM BACON'S CASTLE ON UP THROUGH THERE TO WALLS BRIDGE BEING IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE THERE TO TAKE THE WATER OFF OF THE ROAD. NOW THEY'VE GONE IN THERE AND CUT ALL THE TIMBER OFF AT ONE SIDE AND THAT WOULD DRAW THE WATER. I HEARD THE DITCHES THIS TIME MAY GIVE, BUT AIN'T NOTHING THAT'LL DRAW IT UP NEXT TO YOU. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GONNA BE ABLE DIFFERENT OFF OF THE RIGHT, RIGHT OF WAY, PUT EQUIPMENT ON WHAT WENT WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM, HOW IT WAS WORKING. THEY HAD INMATES DOING IT. I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. WHAT WENT WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAD? THEY HAD INMATES DOING IT AND THEN THEY WOULD CONTRACT PEOPLE LIKE CATTLE BROTHERS AT WAY, BUT HE HAD BROUGHT TWO HIM AND WALKING MACHINES. OH. ULTIMATELY AND THEN BOUGHT ANOTHER BRAND NEW ONE THE LAST YEAR THAT HE DID AWAY WITH IT. YEAH. ULTIMATELY, I, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY THERE. UM, I DO EVEN KNOW WE, WE CAN'T WORK OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, BUT YOU CAN GO IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE. THEY DO. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE. UM, ONE, THERE'S LIABILITY REASONS WHEN YOU GET ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, NOT JUST TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT TO THE AGENCY. SO WITH, WITHOUT KNOWING A LITTLE MORE HISTORY ON THE ISSUE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M HESITANT TO TRY TO GIVE YOU ANY ANSWER THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD. WELL, WE GOT SEVERAL ROADS IN SUR COUNTY THAT ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS LET A CROW FILE, BUT, AND IT'S FLOODED. WE GOT, I GOT A LOT AND I THINK DDOT NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING. I I GOT A LOT OF 'EM IN YORK COUNTY TOO THAT ARE, THEY'RE TITLE EVERY TIME WE GET THE, THE, THE FULL MOON, THEY GO UNDERWATER. SO NOT SITUATED IN JUST SURREY. I I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND YOU REPRESENT SURREY, SO THAT'S YOUR CONCERN, RIGHT? THAT'S PART THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS SURY COUNTY. I JUST CAN'T GIVE YOU MORE ANSWER THAN WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTEN WITHOUT KNOWING SOME HISTORY. TRY TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE YOU LEAVE IF YOU WOULD ON SAY 17. OKAY FRANCIS, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? MS. PHILLIPS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING TONIGHT? YES, WE CAN DO THIS UNDER PUBLIC HIGHWAY CONCERN ONCE WE GET THERE. OKAY. YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR PART NOW. , UM, UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UM, CONCERNS THAT ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS MAY HAVE? NONE HERE. OKAY. UM, MR. HANK CHAIR HANCOCK? UM, THERE ARE NOT, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE UNDER OTHERS, SO I GUESS WE COULD MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS. OKAY. SHERIFF, DO WE HAVE ANY GRANTS YET? UM, YEAH. [00:10:11] YEAH. HOW WE UM, HOW WE, UM, DMB AND IT'S GONNA BE, UM, FOR US FOR SPEED ENFORCEMENT AND SO WE DID RECEIVE THAT THIS YEAR. WELL, WHILE WE UH, OWNED THAT, I WISH FRANCIS WOULD GET UP AND GIVE A LITTLE TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU AT MY HOUSE THE OTHER WEEK AND YOU ASKED ME IF WE HAD A RACETRACK OUT THERE. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS EVERY DAY TO THE WEEK. AND IT'S RIDICULOUS. THEY USE THAT ROAD WHEN THEY COME OFF THE HILL UP THERE. COUPLES, WHAT WE CALL COUPLES CURB, THEY THROW IT ON THE FLOOR AND YOU DON'T NEVER HEAR 'EM BACK OUT ON IT AT ALL. AND I KNOW THEY'RE BREAKING SPEED LIMIT AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES TOO. AND MOTORCYCLES HAS GOTTEN TO BE TERRIBLE ABOUT IT AND THEY NOT RUNNING ONE BEHIND EACH OTHER. THERE'S TWO AND THREE SIDE BY SIDE. I WATCHED THAT THE OTHER DAY AND IT'S GONNA BE TOO LATE WHEN THEY RUN UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY CAME BACK OFF OF. SO SURE. IF YOU COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. IF YOU JUST PUT ONE VEHICLE IN MY YARD, I GUARANTEE YOU COULD PAY THE MAN'S SALARY. WELL, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE HAPPY 'CAUSE I DID, WE HAD A, UM, MEETING WITH THE SUPERVISORS ON TUESDAY AND WHITE MARSH ROAD WAS ONE OF THE AREAS. UM, ON THAT WAY DOWN IN THE WAKEFORD AREA WAS ONE OF THE, THE AREAS I ADVISED THEM TO ACTUALLY PATROL AND ACTUALLY ENFORCE SOME SPEEDING DOWN IN THAT AREA. SO IT'S GOTTEN TERRIBLE NOW. OKAY. SO MUCH FOR THAT FRANCIS . OKAY, WE'LL GO INTO SCHOOL CONCERNS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ON THEM? AND THE SIDEWALK DEAL THAT'S FOR THE SCHOOL CONCERNS, HAS THAT BEEN FINISHED YET? FRANCIS? ANY CROSSWALKS AND ALL OVER THERE? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSION MEMBERS, THE S COUNTY, UM, SIDEWALK CROSSWALK PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THE, UM, FLASHERS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. SO AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERYTHING IS IN AND FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS. OKAY. I'M GONNA HAVE TO WRITE UP AND LOOK AT IT. I LOOK MICE. WELL, GOOD JOB, SIR. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT OTHER THAN WHAT SHE'S TOLD US? NO SIR. ALRIGHT. NOW GO INTO PUBLIC HIGHWAYS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ON THEM TONIGHT AND ANY PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF? UM, YES, I HAVE SHERIFF, UH, YOUR GUYS HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY IN THE BAKERS CASTLE AREA AND UH, THAT WAS WELL NEEDED. I MEAN, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED AND THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB THERE. SO, UH, I CAN COME THROUGH THERE AND LOOK LIKE ALMOST EVERY TIME I COME THROUGH BLUE LIGHTS ARE ON THE SIDE WITH A CAR, SO THANKS FOR THAT. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, YOU, YOU, THE SECOND PERSON IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED, UH, APPRECIATION FOR OUT THERE IN THE BAKING CASTLE AREA AND LIKE I, LIKE I ADVISED THEM ON, ON TUESDAY, NOT JUST IN BACON, THE CASTLE ALSO ON WHITE MARSH ROAD, CLAREMONT, UM, ROUTE 40. UM, WE JUST HAD THAT ACCIDENT THERE, ROUTE 40 WITH THE MOTORCYCLE, SO JUST TELLING THEM PATROL ON THOSE OTHER, UM, SECONDARY HIGH, UM, TRAVEL ROADS AS WELL. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHITE MARSH IS GETTING TO BE TERRIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO SOMEBODY'S BREAKING THE SPEED LIMIT. MOST DEFINITELY. IT'S OKAY. IT'S UNREAL THAT, AND I HATE TO SEE SOMEBODY GET KILLED LIKE THAT AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN I THINK BEFORE WE EVER GET ANYTHING DONE. I HATE TO SAY THAT. WELL, WE'LL GET THE GUYS OUT THERE DIVORCED. YES, SIR. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, WHILE I'M HERE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, PRESENT, UM, I REVIEW THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING FROM THE MAY 7TH FROM THE SEVENTH MEETING AND THE CITIZEN HAD, UM, COME UP WITH A REQUEST FOR AN INQUIRY ON HOLLY BUSH AND NEW DESIGN ROAD ON, FROM THAT INTERSECTION BY THE SCHOOL ON DOWN TO HOLLY BUSH AND COLONIAL TRAIL WEST. UM, SHE HAD, UM, VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE DANGEROUS CURVES ON THAT ROAD AND WAS ASKING IF SOME MARKERS OR SOMETHING COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE. SO WHILE MR. GENTRY IS HERE TONIGHT, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE OR IF WE HAVE TO REQUEST, UM, THAT A STUDY BE [00:15:01] DONE TO HAVE MARKERS PLACED, UM, IN THAT AREA. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT FORTH WHILE I WAS UP HERE. AND ALSO TONIGHT WE HAVE WITH US MR. RAY PHELPS, HE HAS A CONCERN AND ALSO MR. HARDY HAS ANOTHER CONCERN. SO IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, I'LL HAVE THEM TO COME FORTH YES. AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. MR. PHELPS, IF YOU COULD, UM, COME FOUR. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING VICE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. UM, I WANTED TO BRING A CONCERN TO YOU ABOUT BACON'S CASTLE. I MEAN, I'M, I'M SORRY, UM, HOG ISLAND ROAD. UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW INCIDENTS ALONG HOG ISLAND ROAD, UM, RECENTLY MORE SO AT THE INTERSECTION OF HOG ISLAND AND ROUTE 10. UM, WE'VE HAD 24 ACCIDENTS ON HOG ISLAND ROAD IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND OVER 20% OF 'EM ARE AT THAT INTERSECTION AT HOG ISLAND AND ROUTE 10. UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN THE PAST WERE THAT THE STOP SIGN WASN'T AS VISIBLE AS WE, WE WERE LIKED IT, BUT VDOT TOOK CARE OF THAT A WHILE BACK. THEY MADE IT MORE VISIBLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING TUNNEL VISION WHEN THEY'RE HITTING THAT STRAIGHT STRETCH, BUT THEY SEEM TO BE BLOWING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. ONE OF THE MOST RECENT ACCIDENTS WE HAD INVOLVED A DEPUTY IN WHICH HE WAS HIT BY A, UM, A HEAVY DUTY, UH, 2,500 HD CHEVY, UM, AND T-BONED WITHOUT TOO MANY BRAKES. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS TOO MUCH BREAKING IN THAT ACCIDENT, WHICH ENTRAPPED HIM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE ALSO HAD TO FLY HIM OUT. UM, SO, UH, DEPUTY'S GOOD BACK TO WORK NOW, I BELIEVE. YES, SIR. UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. UM, AND SO WHAT WE, WE'VE DONE IS I WAS ASKED TO COME AND PRESENT THESE CONCERNS TO YOU. I, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO MR. GENTRY AND, AND HE'S RECEIVED A LETTER FROM ME AND I'LL JUST, UH, RECAP ON A FEW THINGS THAT I SENT SENT TO HIM. UM, OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE HAD THE 24 ACCIDENTS ON HOG ISLAND ROAD, AND THAT'S, THAT'S EVERYWHERE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, BURNT MILL. IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF HOG ISLAND AND BACON'S CASTLE. AND AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, WITH THOSE ACCIDENTS, LIKE I SAID, OVER OVER 2020 5% OF 'EM HAVE OCCURRED AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF AT, AT HOG ISLAND. AND 10, IN ADDITION TO THAT, OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, THERE'S BEEN 75 TRAFFIC STOPS ON HOG ISLAND ROAD WITH ROUGHLY 50 OF 'EM RECEIVING SUMMONS, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE FOR, UH, SPEEDING OR OR WHATNOT. UM, BUT WE GET A LOT OF REPORTS FROM CITIZENS THAT LIVE LONG HAUL ON THE ROAD ABOUT THE SPEED. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THE SAME. THAT'S STRAIGHTAWAY THEY JUST OPEN IT UP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND ANOTHER CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THE OUTAGES, YOU KNOW, 4, 4, 3, 4 TIMES A YEAR AND YOU GET PEOPLE WHO AREN'T QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THAT AREA. AND SO THAT WE THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT IS A CON, UH, IS CAUSING SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, ACCIDENTS. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ASKED VDOT TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT CONSIDER ONE POSSIBLY LOWERING THE SPEED AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH AN ENGINEERING PROCESS AND, AND THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE LOOK AT THE, THE ACCIDENTS AND THE SPEED AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALONG THOSE. BUT WE'VE ALSO ASKED THEM IF THEY, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAYBE MAKE THAT STOP SIGN AT HOG ISLAND RIGHT THERE AT 10, MAYBE A FLASHING STOP LINE SIGN OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, MAYBE SOME UM, UH, BUMPER GUARD BUMPERS IN THE ROAD LEADING UP TO THAT OR SLOW THE SPEED DOWN. UH, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT COMING TO THAT. UH, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE ASKING THEM TO LOOK AT JUST TO REVIEW THAT. SO WE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THIS IS A CONCERN THAT WE'VE NOTICED. UH, WE HAD THE SAME CONCERNS, UH, YEARS AGO WHEN DOWN AT BACON'S CASTLE AND THAT CURVE. YEAH. UH, WHEN THE, WHEN THE YOUNG MAN DIED AND HIS SON WAS STRAPPED IN THE CAR. UM, AND, AND WE MET WITH V OUT THEN AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET A FEW THINGS DONE. SO, UH, SO WE JUST WANTED TO REACH OUT WITH 'EM. THEY'RE A GREAT PARTNER AND UH, I KNOW WE WANNA ALL KEEP THE ROAD SAFE, SO, UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES THAT HAVE ANY OF THE MR ENT, THE ROAD THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT NOW, COMING FROM HOG ISLAND TO ROAD 10, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM NOW, HO ISLAND TWO, TWO, ROUTE 10, SIR. RIGHT. DOES THAT HAVE ANY OF THOSE YELLOW SIGNS, THE NEW SIGNS THAT THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING UP, LIKE CURB SIGNS AND ALL? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO. THAT WILL GET YOUR ATTENTION. IT MIGHT WHEN YOUR HEADLIGHTS FLASH ON THEM AND I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT WOULD SLOW SOME VEHICLES DOWN IF, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT THERE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT DOING WAS, UH, RUMBLE STRIPS, UM, THAT THEY GENERALLY WILL CATCH YOUR ATTENTION, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, THE POTENTIAL FOR A FLASHING STOP SIGN THERE. UH, ANOTHER THING WE'VE STARTED TO UTILIZE [00:20:01] IS THE REFLECTIVE STRIPING ON THE SIGNS THEMSELF. ON THE POSTS. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'LL LOOK AT. UM, ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH. ALRIGHT. I THINK OVER SOME, I'M GETTING AT WHAT YEAR IT WAS, BUT ONE YEAR BACK, WAY BACK, FRANCIS, THEY PUT SOME RUMBLE STRIPS OUT THERE. IT DIDN'T DO NOTHING FOR 'EM. AND IT, IT IS JUST LIKE A SPEED LIMIT SIGN. IT'S ALL UP HERE AND DOWN THERE THAT RIGHT FOOT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO IT, BUT IT GOT TO BE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN SLOW 'EM DOWN. IT'S JUST LIKE MR. HART IS SAYING. AND WHEN HE WAS, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU EVER HAD ANYTHING YET TO COME ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUS SIGNS THAT YOU WERE GOING YES. IS THAT WORKING NOW? YES, SIR. GOOD, GLAD TO HEAR THAT. BUT AT THE, UH, INTERSECTION THAT MR. PHELPS TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE STUDY, UH, RUMBLE STRIPS ALONG WITH SPEED REDUCTION PRIOR TO GETTING THERE. YEAH, THAT'LL BE ALL BE PART OF THE REVIEW. ALL PART OF THE REVIEW. CONSIDER ANYTHING THAT WOULD IMPROVED THE SAFETY OF THOSE . OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? UH, THANKS FOR THAT MR. PHELPS. UM, THAT IS A, THE SAD PART IF YOU, IF I TRAVEL THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, I WORK AT THE STATION, SO, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE EXIT SIX 50, IT IS SO BAD THAT ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S A, A CUTOUT IN THE WOODS YEAH. PEOPLE HAVE SHOT ACROSS THAT ROAD. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, UNFORTUNATELY EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, GETS T-BONED AND YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD DARE SAY THE PERCENTAGE OF OUTAGE WORKERS IS PRETTY HIGH. I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS THAT PERCENTAGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA FIGURE THESE FOLKS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ROADWAYS, ALTHOUGH THEY TRAVEL TO GET THERE AND BACK. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING A 12 HOUR SHIFT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, OUT OF IT, YOU KNOW. SO, UM, MAKE THE RUMBLE SHIFTS BIG. I CAN TELL YOU WAKE 'EM UP, MAKE THEM UP AND PUT 'EM HIGH. YES SIR. OKAY. I'M HERE AGAIN. JUST, UH, I JUST SAW A POST. THEY DIDN'T CALL ME DIRECTLY, BUT IT'S UM, IT'S UH, IT SAID RUNNING MEET BY MORE, MORE SWAMP CHURCH. SO IT KIND OF HINTING WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE DITCHES BEING, UH, KIND OF COVERED OVER. I'LL, I'LL APPROACH YOU AND JUST SHOW YOU THE PICTURE. YEP. THE PICTURES WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS MORE THAN I CAN TELL YOU. ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S WHERE WATER. YEAH. YEP. AND THERE'S SEVERAL ROADS IN THE COUNTY JUST LIKE THAT. IT'S DRIVE, SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE WATER, NO WAY FOR IT TO GO AND SEE THE ROAD WAS STARTING TO DETERIORATE RIGHT THERE ON THE YEP. THAT'S WHY MY THEORY KEEPS COMING UP ON THE LEAD OFF DITCHES. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S EVER TAKEN THAT WATER AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT AND I WILL, UH, I'LL GET IN THE EMAIL FOR, AND GET IT TO MS. BAILEY AND, UH, AND MR YOU KNOW, WE'LL FORWARD IT TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES BECAUSE I, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY CAN OVERCORRECT AND THAT COULD BE A BIG ISSUE RIGHT THERE. I JUST WANNA, I JUST GOT IT OFF THE PRESS. , I DON'T GO THAT WAY A WHOLE LOT. SO, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M GLAD THE CITIZENS ARE ENGAGED AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND, AND THE TIME IT TAKES AND, AND THE FIRST STEP IS ALWAYS SOMETHING I GOTTA KNOW ABOUT YOU GOTTA REPORT. RIGHT. SO, UH, THANK THEM FOR THAT AND I JUST, I TOLD THEM I, I REPLIED, I SAID, HEY, I'M HERE TO, HAPPY TO BE HERE TO MEET NOW AND I'LL LET 'EM KNOW. SO, UH, THANKS FOR THAT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU A WHOLE LOT MR. HARDY FOR THAT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE OTHER, MR. CHAIRMAN? I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, THE INTERSECTION, UM, MR. PHELPS MENTIONED A FEW YEARS BACK, I HAD AN INCIDENT AT THAT INTERSECTION ON, IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT, AN INCIDENT. UM, AND WE BOARD IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND A TALK WITH MR. CARROLL AND I THINK WE ENDED UP GETTING LIKE A, MAYBE A LARGER STOP SIGN OR SOMETHING THERE. RIGHT. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE IF WE COULD GET SOME FLASHING LIGHTS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN ASSET. UM, WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME, IT WAS FOGGY AND I, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T REALLY SEE WHERE I WA AND WHEN I REALIZED WHERE I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD OF ROUTE 10. SO IT JUST SO HAPPENED IT WAS A BLESSING THAT NOBODY WAS COMING THROUGH AND THAT SCARED ME TO DEATH. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE MAYBE FLASHING LIGHTS OR RUMBLE STRIPS OR SOMETHING, THERE WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT BOTH. THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. YES, SIR. BUT WHEN, LIKE MR. JEN WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT MR. HARD, I BELIEVE IT WAS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT [00:25:01] WHEN THE OUTAGES IS DOWN AT THE POWER PLANT AND WE GOT PEOPLE FROM OUT STATE COMING IN THERE THAT'S WORKING AND LIKE RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO ON SOMETHING LIKE ANOTHER YEAR WITH THE OUTAGE DOWN THERE AND THAT'S, THEY'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE STRANGE PEOPLE THAT'S COMING IN AND EVERYBODY THAT'S GOT A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND THAT'S TRYING TO RENT IT TO 'EM OR A HOUSE TRAILER OR SOMETHING OTHER BE SET ON IT WHILE THEY CAN STAY IN IN IT. THAT'S CEAL EIGHT MY WAY THAT'S LIKE THAT. BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BRANCHES, I HAVE TO AGREE. IF YOU PUT A HIGH ENOUGH RUMBLE STRIP AND SOME FLASHING LIGHTS, I THINK THAT WOULD GET THE ATTENTION MOST, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT'S NOT LIVING AROUND HERE. BUT I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE GETS KILLED, UH, TO GET SOMETHING DONE THAT WILL SLOW 'EM DOWN A LITTLE BIT. YES. YEAH, JUST TO, JUST TO SPEAK ON THAT, UM, I, I'VE RESPONDED OUT MYSELF TO, UM, A NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION AT HOG ISLAND AND UM, ROUTE 10, UM, IN THE NIGHT, IN THE EARLY MORNING AND, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND, AND, UM, JUST LIKE MR. HARDY SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMEBODY GETTING TUNNEL VISION IN THE DAY AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE RIGHT THERE AT THE END AND, AND SHOT THROUGH, UM, THAT INTERSECTION. LIKE I SAID, I, I KNOW, UM, ONE PARTICULAR YOUNG, YOUNG MAN WHO ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THOSE AND WENT DOWN THROUGH THOSE WOODS, THAT PATH THAT YOU SEE DOWN THROUGH THERE MM-HMM . WHO ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND WENT ACROSS AND WENT DOWN THROUGH THOSE WOODS. BUT UM, LIKE I SAID, WE MOST DEFINITELY NEED, UM, SOMETHING TO BE DONE. UM, HOPEFULLY IT COULD HELP. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID WITH THE OUTAGE PEOPLE AND NOT TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE SAME, UM, BEATING THE SAME DRUM, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ROAD AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN BOOM, YOU'RE OUT THERE. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT THAT, NOT THAT MUCH OF A DISTANCE FROM THAT STOP SIGN TO NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OUT THERE IN THE ROAD AND, AND SO BOOM AND, AND AND SPEED CAN BE HARD TO MANAGE. SURE. YOU'RE QUITE FAMILIAR. YES SIR. UM, YOU COULD DROP THE SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO 35 MILES AN HOUR. IF PEOPLE FEEL LIKE IT'S SAFE TO DRIVE 55, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S POSTED ON THE SIGN. CORRECT. SO WHEN THEY EVALUATE FOR DO SPEED, SP SPEED STUDIES, THAT'S PART OF THEIR ASSESSMENT IS THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT SPEED, WHAT TRAFFIC TRAVELS AT UNREGULATED, YOU KNOW, SO IF IT FEELS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE 55 MILES AN HOUR SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A SPEED TRAP AND LET'S BE HONEST, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO A 25 MILE AN HOUR SIGN WHEN IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE AND THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE THAT ROAD'S A WHOLE LOT BIGGER THAN THAT LITTLE SIGN. IT IS LIKE THAT SPEED SPEED IS ALWAYS A TRICKY THING. YEP. AND YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT IS ONE LEG OF IT. UM, THE OTHER PART OF IT, IT REALLY IS THE, THE PERSON BEHIND THE WHEEL. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ENGINEER DEVICES IN TO, YOU KNOW, ALERT PEOPLE AND CAN PUT, BUT CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT IS NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE THE ANSWER 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE EFFECT THAT WE MIGHT THINK IT WOULD. AND YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER YOUR POWER TO DO AND I GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME THAT'S GONNA STILL RUN THROUGH THAT THE WAY THEY WANT TO RUN. I GOT A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I LIVE OVER IN GLOUCESTER COUNTY AND THE SPEED LIMIT GOES FROM 55 DROPS DOWN TO 35. 'CAUSE YOU COME TO THE STOPLIGHT, I'M STOPPED AT THE STOPLIGHT AND I GOT PLOWED AT 55 MILES AN HOUR. WHOA. SO, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALWAYS MATTER, YOU KNOW. NO IT DOESN'T. WE WE DO. WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT IT, I'VE GOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FOLKS LOOKING AT IT. HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING. MAYBE THEY'LL PUT A ROUNDING ROUND IN THERE. . UM, I DID COME ACROSS THE, UH, WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING THE REQUEST, UH, I DID FIND THE ONE WHERE IT RESULTED IN THE LARGER SPEED LIMIT SIGN THAT, WHICH THAT WAS FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO NOW. SO, UM, THAT'S THE LAST TIME ANYTHING HAD BEEN ADDRESSED THROUGH THERE. ALRIGHT. BUT I THINK IF YOU CAN GET SOME RED LIGHTS THAT'S FLASHING ON AND OFF ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HIGHWAY, NOT RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION, BUT BEFORE YOU GET THERE ALSO, I THINK IT WILL PROBABLY SLOW SOME OF 'EM DOWN WITH THE RUMBLE STRIPS, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. . OKAY. WE SEE THEY COME BACK. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? MR. PHELPS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO BRING UP WHILE YOU'RE HERE? I'M, NO, I, OTHER THAN, UH, WE UTILIZE THOSE, UH, WE'LL UTILIZE THOSE UH, SENSORS, UH, WHEN IT COMES FOR US TO. OKAY. Y'ALL TWO CAN HANDLE THAT . OKAY. CAN WE LOOK AT OUR NEXT MEETING IS JUNE THE 10TH? IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? YES SIR. OKAY. CAN WE GET THAT FANCY [00:30:02] A QUESTION, UH, ANSWER OR? OH, SHE'S NOT TO YET. OKAY. I WON'T BE AVAILABLE JUNE 10TH. YOU WON'T BE. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION AND UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, THE FIRST WEEK. UM, THAT TUESDAY IS ELECTION DAY AND THAT WEDNESDAY I BELIEVE IS OPEN. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK, IT'S A HOLIDAY ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY WHEN WE NORMALLY MEET. SO, UM, WE NEVER DECIDED WHETHER WE WANTED TO TRY TO MEET THAT FIRST WEEK OR, 'CAUSE I KNOW THE FURTHER YOU GO DOWN, YOU'RE GONNA GET CLOSER TO THANKSGIVING AND NOBODY'S GONNA WANT TO, RIGHT? MM-HMM . WANNA COME, COME TO A MEETING. SO, UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY, ANY, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? OR YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE MORE? MAYBE WE'LL DECIDE IN JUNE. WELL, THERE'S NOTHING IN STONE THAT WE GOTTA HAVE IT ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, IS IT? NO. CAN'T WE CHANGE IT THEN FOR THAT MEETING? DO IT ON A DIFFERENT NIGHT. YOU CAN TUESDAY NIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR THURSDAY NIGHT. YES SIR. ALRIGHT. WOULD, WOULD THAT REQUIRE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION? UM, I THINK IT'S, UM, MR. WADE, HE, HE POSTS OUR INFORMATION ON THE WEBPAGE, UM, WHEN WE DO IT ANYWAY. I GUESS IT'S JUST A MATTER OF YOU ALL VOTING AND DECIDING ON WHICH DATE YOU WANT TO USE. OKAY. IF, IF WHAT YOU MENTIONED SO FAR IS ON THE OBSTACLE TO THE 11TH. I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD, YOU SAID STAY STAY WITH THE 11TH. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. THAT'S A HOLIDAY. THAT'S A HOLIDAY. WE GONNA BE CLOSED. IT IS, IT'S A HOLIDAY. OH, I THINK SO. . YEAH, THE GOVERNMENT CENTER WILL BE CLOSED, I DON'T THINK. AND THAT'S WEDNESDAY BEFORE THE 11TH, THE WEEK BEFORE THAT. DO YOU HAVE THE DATE? WHAT THAT IS ON WEDNESDAY? WELL, THE WEEK AFTER. I THINK THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE IS THE FOURTH OR THE WEDNESDAY AFTER IS THE 18TH. WE CAN DO IT THE WEEK BEFORE. PROBABLY BE BETTER VOICE. BE GOOD. OKAY. NO, I KNOW. OKAY. THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN'T APPROVE. IS THAT A MOTION? HELLO? THANK. OKAY. OKAY. UM, MS. HILTON INFORMED ME THAT WE NEED TO, UM, CONFER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE THAT DATE IS AVAILABLE BEFORE WE, UM, PROVIDE CONFIRMATION. SO, UM, I GUESS YOU CAN DECIDE WHICH STATE YOU WOULD RECOMMEND AND THEN WE CAN MEET WITH THEM AND SEE IF THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON IT AFTER THAT POINT. I MAKE A MOTION WE RECOMMEND, UM, NOVEMBER 4TH IF IT'S AVAILABLE AND IF IT'S AVAILABLE. BUT WE WILL PROCEED WITH HAVING A MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH AT SIX O'CLOCK. SECOND. OKAY. EVERYBODY IN IN ALRIGHT WITH THE FOUR YES SIR. OF NOVEMBER? YES SIR. IF WE CAN GET A VOTE ON THAT. AYE, SHERIFF MADE A MOTION. AND WHO SECOND? MR. JONES. MR. JONES IS OKAY. ALL ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. WE'LL SHOOT, PUT IT FULL. IF YOU FIND THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT IN THAT TIME, YOU CAN TELL US YES. OR WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIND IT OUT BY SEPTEMBER. YES SIR. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AS ALWAYS. WE COULDN'T MAKE IT WITHOUT YOU. FRANCE, ? NO. OKAY. NO ONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING COVER TONIGHT. HAVE GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. ALL. WE WILL SEE Y'ALL ON THE NEXT GO ROUND. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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