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[Planning Commission on May 18, 2026.]
GENTLEMEN, GOOD EVENING.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, MAY 18TH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
IF EVERYONE WAS, PLEASE STAND AND RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
OUR PLEASURE, ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A ROLL CALL.
MR. PIERCE? HE INDICATED HE WOULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
NEXT ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS THE ADOPTION OF MEETING AGENDA.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER ITEMS TO ADD TO THE AGENDA, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE MEETING AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? AS A, THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
THE MEETING AGENDA IS ADOPTED.
NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSENT ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE TWO CONSENT ITEMS, THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY THE 26TH AND FEBRUARY THE 23RD.
WE WILL ENTERTAIN THE 26 MINUTES FIRST, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE JANUARY 26TH MINUTES THAT, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF JANUARY, 2026.
AND SECOND THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 26TH.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MOVING ON TO THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 23RD, 2026.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO NOTE AT THIS TIME? IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 23RD, 2026 AS PRESENTED.
SECOND THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 23RD, 2026 AS PRESENTED.
ALL, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? AS HAVING THE MOTIONS CARRIED.
I DO NOT SEE ANY OLD BUSINESS, UH, PRESENTED OR JUST WADE IN ANY OLD BUSINESS.
MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX, NEW BUSINESS.
UH, WE HAVE THREE DRAFT ORDINANCES, UH, A, B, AND C.
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. WADE AT THIS TIME.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, BEFORE YOU DENY, YOU DO HAVE THREE ORDINANCES.
WE'LL GO, WE CAN GO IN THE ORDER THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE LISTED.
UM, FIRST YOU HAVE THE HP PRESERVATION, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT ORDINANCE.
UM, THIS ORDINANCE WAS, UH, IN DRAFT TO ALLOW FOR THE, THE CHANGE OR, OR ADDING THE PROCEDURES FOR DESIGNATING OR AMENDING A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT AND PROVIDED THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO FIND A, UH, A METHOD TO OR AVENUE TO ACTUALLY ADD PROPERTIES IN OR TAKE PROPERTIES OUT OR TO AMEND THE DISTRICTS.
UM, BECAUSE THERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE ANY, AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, THIS TIME, THE BOARD OF FIXED OR OBJECT REVIEW, UM, A COUPLE YEARS BACK, THEY WERE LOOKING AT WAYS TO ADD PROPERTY TO THAT DISTRICT.
BUT THERE IS NO METHOD TO DO THAT.
SO HERE'S A, A, A CODE SECTION THAT PROVIDES THAT.
WE WERE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING THIS, THIS, UH, EARLIER THIS
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AFTERNOON.UM, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM WITH OUR, WITH OUR BOARD OFFICIALS SERGEANT HISTORY REVIEW BOARD.
UM, BUT WE DO INTEND TO HAVE A, ANOTHER MEETING NEXT MONTH WITH THEM, FOR THEM TO HAVE A CHANCE TO CHIME IN TO, TO SEE, UH, WHAT KIND OF THOUGHTS THEY HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE.
UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY, ALTHOUGH, UM, IT ISN'T A ZONING ORDINANCE AND, UH, IT, IT, IT THINGS ARE UNDER YOUR PURVIEW.
THIS PARTICULAR CODE SECTION, HOW REVIEWED THIS, THE BOARD ACTUALLY REVIEWS THESE DOCUMENTS OR, UH, WHAT WOULD BE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WOULD BE ISSUED BY THE APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECTURE REVIEW.
UM, SO, UM, WE DO HAVE THIS, UH, MR. COGGIN WAS, HE WAS ONE OF THE TWO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID NOT HAVE A THIRD PERSON TO, TO MAKE A, UH, A QUORUM.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF MR. COGAN HAD ANY THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HE'S SEEN SO FAR.
THE, THE ONLY QUESTION I HADN'T, I WAS EMBARRASSED TO ASK IT EARLIER.
SO WHY WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO PUT THEIR PROPERTY IN, IN, LIKE, I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, WHY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE MIGHT BE SOME GRANTS AND STUFF.
IS THERE SOME, IS THERE SOME OTHER REASONING? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY, DO WE HAVE A, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE TOWN OF SURREY, NOW IT SAYS HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THINK IT DOES, RIGHT ON THE TRAILER PARK SIDE.
IS THAT RIGHT? AM I, HAVE Y'ALL SEEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN OF SURREY AND I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE IN THERE, A LITTLE THING UNDERNEATH IT.
IT SAYS HISTORIC OR, SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE TOWN OF SURREY.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, THEY WENT TO THE, UM, THE, UH, THE STATE AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD DE UH, STATE DESIGNATION.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LOCAL DESIGNATION.
SO THERE, THERE, IF YOU, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK ON, I, I'LL SEE IF IT'LL COME UP NOW.
BUT ORANGE AREA S WEBSITE, WE HAVE OUR ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, LET SEE IF, LEMME SEE IF IT COME UP.
WE HAVE OUR, OUR, UM, OKAY, WELL, WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR MOST PROTECTION IS YOU COULD HAVE THINGS DESIGNATED BY THE STATE AND BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
BUT WHERE YOU GET YOUR MOST PROTECTION IS LOCAL DESIGNATION.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE, WE WERE ABLE TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURES.
IF SOMEONE TRIES TO, TO FILE A DEMOLITION PERMIT, AND THE LOCALITY HAS SAID, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, LET'S REVIEW WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO BEFORE YOU DEMOLISH IT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GET YOUR PROTECTION IS THROUGH LOCAL ORDINANCES.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT, THAT IT, IT HELPS TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
UM, AND USUALLY, UH, WHERE WE'RE SITTING IN PLACE NOW IS THAT PROCEDURE, THAT'S THE PROCEDURE TO ENTER, UM, TO MAKE A CERTAIN PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS A LOCAL HISTORIC PROPERTY.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, LET'S SAY, LET'S TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, I'M, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ONE THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY A, UM, WELL ACTUALLY, LET, LET ME, LET ME USE AN EXAMPLE OF A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY.
UM, ONE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE, THAT WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF CHURCHES OUT THERE, UM, THAT ARE WITHIN SURY COUNTY THAT DO NOT HAVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION AT ALL.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS CHURCH OVER HERE, UH, UNION BAPTIST CHURCH, UM, THIS CHURCH OVER HERE HAS BEEN IN SURY COUNTY, PROBABLY, I THINK EVEN DATED BACK TO THE, THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS.
UM, IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH WRITTEN HISTORY ON IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS, IS THE HISTORY IS BEING BROUGHT UP.
MS. WAL IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON SOME INFORMATION ON THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, SO THAT AT SOME POINT THEY COULD, THE CHURCH COULD APPLY FOR THEIR, UH, MAYBE A STATE DESIGNATION OR, OR, OR, OR, OR WHATNOT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO GO JUST TEAR THE CHURCH DOWN, THEY COULD FILE A DEMOLITION PERMIT TOMORROW.
AND THERE'S NOTHING TO HOLD ANYTHING BACK FROM ANY, ANY REVIEW AT ALL FROM THE COUNTY, FROM TEARING THE PLACE DOWN, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS ALL THESE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE COUNTY.
BUT THE, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU ALL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT, AT, AT OUR GS MAPS, SOME PEOPLE LIKE IT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
SO, UH, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WOULD THEY PUT ONE OF THOSE, WOULD THEY HAVE TO, UM, I GUESS APPLY ONE OF THOSE PLACARDS TO PUT OUT FRONT THAT HERE USED TO LIE BAPTIST CHURCH OR NOT NECESSARILY? SO
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF, IF THEY WERE TO DEMOLISH IT? YES.IF, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY HAD LOCAL DESIGNATION, YES.
THAT COULD BE LIKE A REQUIREMENT FOR, IF, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE INTRODUCED THIS PROPERTY AS A HP DESIGNATION OVERLAY, UM, LET'S JUST PLAY THIS PROCESS OUT.
IF THIS PROPERTY CAME BEFORE AND SOMEBODY SAID, YEAH, I WANT TO DESIGNATE THIS PROPERTY FOR A SORT PRESERVATION, RIGHT.
THE PROCESS, THE WAY THAT WE'VE DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A JOINT DECISION BETWEEN THE BAR, WE'LL CALL IT BAR.
'CAUSE I KEEP SAYING THAT WHOLE WORD.
IT'S, IT'S JUST LONG AND DRAWN OUT.
THE BAR AND THE PLAY COMMISSION.
THEY TOGETHER, THE BAR SAYS, WE WERE LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES HERE, WE WANT TO ENTER THIS.
THE PLAY COMMISSION SAYS, OKAY, WE'VE REVIEWED EVERYTHING.
IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, WE SHOULD ENTER THESE PROPERTIES.
THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAKES THAT ULTIMATE, UM, INTRODUCTION OR, UH, OVERLAY THAT DESIGNATION OVER TOP OF THAT, UM, PARTICULAR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTIES.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS THEY WOULD TAKE TO GO THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE IS SETTING THAT PROCESS UP.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS LOCAL DESIGNATION DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE IT TAXES.
TAX TAX, THE TAXING AUTHORITY OR OKAY.
OR ABILITY TO GET TAX CREDITS.
UM, THOSE ARE, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT, UM, THAT ARE, UH, I'LL GIVE EXAMPLE.
ONE PROPERTY THAT'S FOR SALE RIGHT NOW IS ON ROUTE ROUTE 31 ON, I GUESS ROLF, LET ME SEE, GOING TO THE FERRY ON THE RIGHT TO THE FERRY.
UHHUH
UM, THAT PROPERTY IS FOR SALE.
WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL ME ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THAT PROPERTY DOES HAVE, UM, LOCAL HISTORIC, I, I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE MAP HERE, IF I CAN FUND 31.
IS THAT IT? I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE.
THAT IS NOT, UH, THAT IS NOT 31.
UM, BUT ONE OF THOSE THINGS ABOUT, UH, THIS, THE LOCAL, UM, DESIGNATION IS THAT THE KEY THING ABOUT THAT IT PROVIDES THE BEST PROTECTION, UM, TO PRESERVE THOSE RESOURCES THAT WE, THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE ACCEPTED TO BECOME HISTORIC RESOURCES.
THERE IS A BOOK THAT MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS BOOK, IT WAS LIKE FROM THE 1970S.
UM, BUT IT HAS MANY OF THE STRUCTURES THAT, UM, AT THE TIME THAT WAS WRITTEN WERE DEEMED HISTORIC.
SOME, THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURES LIKE THE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE UNION BAPTIST CHURCH THAT SOMEHOW WERE NOT LISTED IN IT AND IT, IT, IT WAS SOMEHOW MISSED.
UM, BUT IT IS, AND, AND I GUESS THAT THAT CAN, THAT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES HERE.
WHILE HORACE IS LOOKING FOR THAT.
UM, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD ANSWER A LITTLE BIT, MR. COGGINS QUESTION.
SO IF YOU LOOK, UM, AND THIS IS ON PAGE TWO OF SIX.
IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION THREE DASH 1304 UNDER A, THIS APPLICATION CAN BE INTRODUCED BY THE BOARD OF HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN YOUR USUAL APPLICATION WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WOULD BE COMING FORTH AND ASKING FOR IT.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD BE ALERTED TO, UH, THE IMPORTANCE, THE HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE OF A PROPERTY AND COULD INITIATE ITS OWN APPLICATION.
NOW, HOW THAT, HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE LIKE RIGHT OF REFUSAL? ALL OF THAT IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, TO AGAIN, ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE I CAN IMAGINE SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE THAT QUESTION.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS IT IN THE ORDINANCE.
I HAVE NOT COMPLETED MY FULL LEGAL REVIEW OF THIS, BUT, UM, I DIDN'T WANNA HOLD IT UP ANY FURTHER FROM GETTING COMMENTS BACK.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, IF, IF WE, YOU KNOW, THIS HOUSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, 'CAUSE I, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED TO DO THE ELECTRIC.
THAT GUY WAS GONNA MAKE A WEDDING VENUE OUT OF IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY IS IT, AND IT WAS GONNA BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE HISTORICAL, I MEAN, IT WOULD KEEP SOME OF THE STUFF, SOME IF THE PLANNING, SAY THE PLANNING, OR I GUESS THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THIS HOUSE.
WOULD THEY PETITION THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SET THIS DESIGNATION? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE THINKING? SO, SO THEY WOULD START, IT WOULD START HERE.
SO IT WOULD START THE PROCESS.
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MORE THAN LIKELY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATION IF IT'S GONNA A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BAR.UH, WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT YOU COULD START IN EITHER, YOU KNOW, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS WE'RE GONNA INITIATE, OR THE BAR SAYS WE'RE GONNA INITIATE, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD WANT TO INITIATE, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD SUPERVISOR, THEY WANNA INITIATE SOMEONE STARTS THE INITIATION PROCESS.
IT GOES THROUGH THE BAR PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS THEY WOULD TAKE.
TO, TO, TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT TO BE INITIATED AS, AS INTRODUCTION INTO THAT DISTRICT.
THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, THAT, THAT'S AROUND ONE ON 31, IT ALREADY HAS LOCAL DESIGNATION ALREADY.
SO THE, ANYBODY THAT COMES TO US FOR ANYTHING TO DO ANY TYPE OF, UH, AMENDMENT TO THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY OR, UM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT REVIEWED BY THE BAR.
UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOT BEEN INTRODUCED.
I THINK WHAT I'VE BEEN SHARED WITH IS IT IS NOT CURRENTLY ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER YET, MEANING STATE OR FEDERAL.
BUT I'M, WHAT I'M AWARE OF IS, IS ELIGIBLE.
SO ONE DOESN'T NECESSARILY DICTATE THE OTHER.
YOU COULD HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE HISTORIC, UH, THAT HAVE, UM, THEY'RE ON A HISTORIC REGISTER.
THEY'RE NOT IN THE HP DISTRICT OR VICE VERSA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY FOR US, IF YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S IN THE HISTORIC REGISTER, YOU PROBABLY WANT TO PUT SOME TYPE OF LOCAL DESIGNATION OVER TOP OF THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, JUST, JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, SO ONE DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING RIGHT AT 40 AND OTTER DAMM.
SO YOU HANG A LEFT ON 40 OFF OF OTTER DAMM HEADED TOWARD WAVERLEY SNOW HILL IS ON THE RIGHT.
AND I JUST HAPPENED TO FIND IT ONE DAY LOOKING, WE WERE DOING SOME WORK AND WE HAD TO DESIGNATE THAT WE HAD WORKED ON HOUSES THAT HAD BEEN IN THE HISTORICAL RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, IN THE REGISTER.
AND IS THAT A, THAT WOULD BE A FEDERAL, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S A, IS THAT FEDERAL NOT STATE? CORRECT.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT ONE, BUT, UM, THE SPECIFIC SITUATION, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN RESOURCES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORIC REGISTER, THE REGISTRY, IF YOU GO TO, UM, DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC REGISTER, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, UHHUH, THEY USUALLY WILL HAVE THE LISTED HISTORIC REGISTERS THERE.
WHICH PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED.
USUALLY ONCE IT'S IN THE STATE, IT'S ALSO GOT SOME TYPE OF, UM, FEDERAL DESIGNATION AS WELL.
SO YOU, YOU, AND ACTUALLY THEY, THAT PICTURES YOU, YOU'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ALL THE ONES THAT ARE IN SURREY.
UM, LIKE IF YOU LOOK IN SURREY, YOU ALSO FIND THE TOWN OF SURREY.
OF COURSE, THE COUNT, THE SERE COUNTY DOES NOT ENFORCE ANYTHING FOR THE TOWN OF SURREY.
WE'RE SEPARATE LEGISLATIVE GOVERNMENT BODIES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES HELP PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR BUILDING, YOUR BUILDING FOR YOUR BUSINESS IS IN THE TOWN.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE HISTORIC REGISTER FOR YOUR BUILDING, YOU COULD SEE WHETHER IT IS CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR NOT.
IF IT IS CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UM, YOU MAY BE FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS, YOU MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR STATE AND, UM, FOR STATE AND FEDERAL TAXES.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY, THEN YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR BOTH.
IF I THINK THE FEDERAL ONES, YOU HAVE TO BE INCOME PRODUCING.
BUT SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ADVANTAGES.
BUT WE, WE END UP WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH, UM, UH, WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF HELPING OUT OUR BEST TO KIND OF, IF PEOPLE ARE DOING BUSINESSES, WHATEVER, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THEM OUT AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY TRY TO CONNECT THEM WITH THE RIGHT SOURCES.
SO, WE'LL, LIKE IF YOU HAD TO, IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR BUILDING AND SAY, HORSE, I NEED SOME HELP, WE WOULD CONNECT EACH TO THE RIGHT RESOURCES OVER OKAY.
SO IT'S, IT IS JUST INTERESTING TO KNOW.
AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR, YOUR SOURCES UNTIL YOU START ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
AND IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, SURE.
WE CAN POINT YOU RIGHT IN THAT THE DIRECTION OF, GO LOOK AT THIS HORSE OVER HERE AND SEE, UH, I, I THINK FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN ALIUS CAME, UM, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IS THAT BUILDING? UM, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THAT BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR TAX CREDITS.
IT WAS IN THE DISTRICT, BUT IT JUST WASN'T CONTRIBUTING.
SO, SO MR WAY TO, TO SPEAK PROBABLY TO MR. UM, CO'S POINT, I THINK HE ASKED THE PURPOSE OF MAYBE DESIGNATING PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE IN THE PURPOSE OF THE DEFINITION RIGHT HERE.
UM, IN, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE ORDINANCE.
BUT I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO TAX RELIEF ON A LOCAL DESIGNATION.
THERE'D BE NO THINK THAT PROBABLY WHAT WE WOULD, THERE, THERE, THERES NO, YEAH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO TOUCH.
THE PURPOSE WOULD BE DEFINED IN, IN THE PURPOSE, RIGHT.
SO AS MR. WADE STATED, IF I'M SUMMARIZING CORRECTLY, IT WOULD BE MAYBE TO, UM, HAVE PROTECTIONS TO, TO AVOID DEMOL OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT NO, NO TYPE OF LOCAL TAX RELIEF.
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FLOW CHART FOR US TO SEE.AND I THINK ABOUT THE INITIATION PIECE.
WE CAN DETERMINE WHO CAN INITIATE HOW THAT FLOW CHART OR THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK, AND THEN WHO WOULD MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATION.
UM, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT JUST FOR US TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP.
I THINK ONE OF THE NEXT THINGS THAT, THAT WE WOULD DO IS WE CAN PREPARE THAT PART.
AND I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER FOR THE REST OF THE BAR TO SEE THAT PART TOO WHEN WE, I DON'T INTEND TO ADD THIS GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAD THEIR OFFICIAL REVIEW OF IT.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT MAY BE A HELPFUL DIAGRAM TO SHOW OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYBODY, UM, BAR PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
'CAUSE VISUAL, VISUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AS OPPOSED TO JUST READING TEXTS, WHICH, AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE SOMEWHAT, UH, I GUESS, UH, SO AS A COMMISSION, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF CONTINUING TO MOVE ON, UM, WITH WORKING ON THIS ORDINANCE? ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? THANK YOU MR. WADE.
LIKE I SAID, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE US WITH A FLOW CHART BY THE NEXT TIME, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE PROCESS A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY.
DO WE NEED A VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD OR JUST CONSENSUS.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAD ALREADY, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ALREADY MOTIONED TO INITIATE THESE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO THIS IS JUST US PROVIDING YOU WITH AN UPDATE AND YOU TELLING US.
YOUR, YOUR NEXT AMENDMENT HERE WAS IN THE AR DISTRICT.
UM, KIND OF LOOK UP HERE TO, IT SAYS PAGE FIVE OF EIGHT.
THIS ONE WE STARTED MAKING AMENDMENTS HERE.
UH, THIS SECTION HERE, UH, WE START MAKING AMENDMENTS BY DELETING, UH, SECTION, UH, 3 0 3 2, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL USE ON LOTS LESS THAN 10 ACRES.
WELL, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LOT, LOTS LESS THAN 10 ACRES.
SO THIS POINT RIGHT HERE WOULD BE, BE OBSOLETE, WOULD NO LONGER BE NEEDED.
UM, SO WE TOOK THAT SECTION OUT AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE LOT REQUIREMENTS HERE ON PAGE, UH, PAGE SIX OF EIGHT, WHICH WAS, UH, SECTION 3, 3 0 4, UM, MINIMUM LOT AREAS, 10 ACRES, NEW SUBDIVISION ROADS, 10 ACRES MINIMUM LOT WIDTH, 400 FEET, UH, NEW SUBDIVISION ROADS, 300 FEET, UH, MINIMUM LOT FRONTAGE, 400 FEET ON NEW SUBDIVISION ROADS, 200 FEET.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AND I CONSIDERED WAS, UM, AND I KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THE NEXT SECTION, NEXT ORDINANCE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FAMILY DIVISIONS.
BUT, UM, AS I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS EVEN MORE CLEARLY IS THERE ARE CERTAIN LOTS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10 ACRES, THAT WE, IF, IF WE DO HAVE FAMILY DIVISIONS, WE WILL AT SOME POINT STILL HAVE LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 ACRES.
UM, AND THEN WOULD CURRENTLY WE WILL ALSO HAVE LOTS THAT ARE WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING.
SO I DID NOT WANT TO PUT THAT PRESSURE ON SOMEONE TO HAVE.
UM, IF WE MOVE INTO OUR NEXT SECTION OF SETBACKS, UM, SECTION 3, 3 0 5, WHEN WE START ADDRESSING MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACKS, UM, AND PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND, UM, REAR YARD SETBACKS, UM, I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE INCLUDING, UH, SETBACKS FOR LOTS THAT ARE DOWN TO AN ACRE OF MAYBE INCLU, MAYBE KEEPING THE SAME SETBACKS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE.
AND SPECIFICALLY SAYING FOR ONE ACRE BETWEEN ONE ACRE AND NINE ACRES OF HAVING A CERTAIN SETBACK.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LIKE 10 ACRES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A LARGER SETBACK, WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING IN THIS CASE NOW.
SO I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR, YOU ALL'S FEEDBACK ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CONSIDERED AF AFTER I DRAFTED AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE DOES A FAMILY DIVISION AND THEY, THEY CUT OFF AN ACRE, WOULD IT BE FAIR FOR THEM TO HAVE A REAR YARD SETBACK, WHICH USED TO BE 50 FEET NOW, 75 FEET.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING AND JUST, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU THINK THINGS THROUGH, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE FIRST VERSION OF HORSE WAS THINKING, LET'S GO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
THAT SECOND PART OF HORSE WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, HORSE, WHERE WERE YOU THINKING? SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS.
UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE YOU ALL TOO, TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
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GLAD, GLAD TO HAVE YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.BUT NOW THAT I BROUGHT THAT UP TO YOU GUYS, I JUST WANT, WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION ON MR. WADE'S? UM, QUESTION? I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE THIS FITS RIGHT IN OR NOT.
IF YOU HAVE AR DISTRICT, AND LET'S SAY A CEMETERY IS THERE, YOU COULD HAVE ONE THAT'S SMALL AND THEY WANT TO EN LODGE IT A CEMETERY MM-HMM
HOW WOULD THAT BE AFFECTED BY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO HERE, HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING ABOUT IF YOU HAVE A PARCEL, THIS IS THE ONE THING, AND THIS IS THIS, THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, BUT IN, IN GENERAL, IF YOU HAVE A NON-CONFORMING LOT, YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT LOT SMALLER THAN MORE NONCONFORMING THAN IT ALREADY IS.
BUT YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN INCREASE THAT LOT SIZE.
IT JUST CAN'T BE, AND IT, IT CAN, IT CAN BE MORE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS AND IT CAN STILL BE LESS THAN THE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS ARE.
BUT IT, IT JUST CAN'T, IT CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT SMALLER.
YOU CAN'T MAKE IT MORE NON-CONFORMING.
SORRY, WHAT ABOUT THE SETBACKS? THE SETBACKS, UM, FOR A CEMETERY, THEY, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME RULES ABOUT SETBACKS CURRENTLY IN THERE ABOUT, ABOUT CEMETERIES.
UM, BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY CEMETERIES OR JUST ANYTHING IN GENERAL? UM, I WAS JUST, THE CEMETERY WAS THE ONE INSTALLED.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SEE MORE OF.
SO THERE, YEAH, THE CEMETERIES, THEY HAVE CERTAIN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT, MY STAFF WAS LOOKING AT THIS THE OTHER DAY.
I THINK IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO AB BUY, YOU DO HAVE TO AB BUY BY CERTAIN SETBACKS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT HAS SPECIAL STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THERE.
ACTUALLY, LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT IT SAYS.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS IF YOU SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.
BUT, UM, THIS IS A LOT OF OUR, UM, DIFFERENT USES.
THEY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, STANDARDS ON TOP OF WHATEVER THE, UM, WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE TO, UM, TRYING TO MAKE SURE I GOT, THERE YOU GO.
IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP A HOUSE, YOU'D GO BY THE STANDARDS HERE FOR, UM, YOUR LOT REQUIREMENTS AND, AND ALSO YOUR, YOUR YOUR HEIGHT BULK AND, AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
LET'S SEE HERE, MOVE THROUGH HERE.
AND THIS, THIS LOOKS TAKE YOU RIGHT TO, THAT U STANDARD THERE FOR CEMETERY, UM, BARRIER PLOT ON A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET SHOULD COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE UNDERLYING DISTRICT AND 25 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LOT.
SO FOR, FOR THIS REQUIREMENT HERE, BASED ON BASED, I GUESS YOU, BASED ON LOT SIDES, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF IT'S OVER OVER 10 ACRES, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO GO BY THE NEW, THE NEW SETBACK HERE.
UM, THERE IS NO, WE DIDN'T DO A NEW SETBACK FOR THE AR DISTRICT.
WE KEPT IT AT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED FEET OFF THE, OFF THE ROAD.
UM, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT ANYTHING ELSE, IF STILL 25 FEET OFF THE OTHER PROPERTY LINES.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ITS OWN REQUIREMENT FOR CEMETERIES.
SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW HAS SETBACKS YOU RIGHT.
AND AS WELL ALSO, I GOT A QUESTION.
SO IF THE NEW LOT SIZE IS THE MINIMUM'S, 10 ACRES IS, UH, THE SECTION THREE DASH 3 0 2, IS THAT STILL PERTINENT WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, NO MORE THAN 15, LOTS OF LESS THAN THREE ACRES? I THINK THAT WOULD BE, 'CAUSE YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE STILL HAVING FAMILY DIVISIONS AND THAT, THAT, SO, SO FAMILY DIVISIONS STILL COULDN'T BE NO MORE THAN 15 LOTS OF THREE ACRES.
SO IF YOU END UP HAVING, IT WOULD STILL GO INTO THAT, THAT PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE MUST, I MEAN, LET'S TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS.
YOU HAD FAMILY, FAMILY DIVISION.
THE NEXT WORDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZE DOWN TO AN ACRE.
BUT IF YOU, LET'S JUST SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAD 40, YOU DID 40 PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THAT MANY ACRES THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT MANY FA UH, FAMILY DIVISIONS.
UM, YOU, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT DOWN TO GIVING EVERYBODY AN ACRE.
YOU HAD TO BE, YOU HAD TO AT LEAST, OKAY, AFTER, AFTER A CERTAIN LEVEL, YOU HAD TO START GIVING PEOPLE AT LEAST THREE ACRES.
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SO SHOULD THAT SECTION BE LIMITATION ON FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS OR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT, I JUST SAY KEEP IT, KEEP IT, KEEP IT AS IT IS.UM, THERE, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT LATER ON FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER.
'CAUSE THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IS ACTUALLY IN ANOTHER ORDINANCE SECTION.
IT'S IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
WELL THEN, SO WHY IS, WHY WOULD THAT PERTAIN TO THIS PARTICULAR THREE DASH 3 0 2 UNDER? IT IS A GOOD, IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S MR. BERRYMAN'S POINT.
LIKE IF IT, IF WE ARE TRYING TO INSTITUTE A FAMILY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND JUST I, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I THINK HE'S JUST SAYING, MOVE IT OVER TO THE FAMILY.
YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS JUST A LITTLE CONTRADICT MM-HMM
CONTRADICTORY TO, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, LET ME, LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT FOR, FOR MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE A MONTH AND COME BACK WITH YOU WITH A, WITH A, WITH A SOLID RECOMMENDATION ON THAT ONE AND, AND SEE WHERE WE SEE, SEE WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS ARE THERE.
SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT DONE WITH THE FAMILY DIVISION JUST YET, BUT UNDERSTANDING THERE, THERE ARE SOME PIECES HERE AND THERE THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCE WHERE, WHERE STAFF HAS LOOKED AT SOME THINGS AND THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHTS WERE THERE, BUT COULD IT BE ORGANIZED IN A BETTER PLACE? SO, ABSOLUTELY.
CAN I ADD ONE OTHER THING WHILE YOU'RE PROCESSING THOSE THOUGHTS? SURE.
SO I, I KNOW, UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ON THE VERY, ON THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT, IT SAYS LARGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE PROHIBITED IN THE AR DISTRICT.
AND MS. PERKINS HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR LARGE.
IS THERE ANY WAY WHY WE'RE DOING THIS 10 ACRE PROCESS THAT WE CAN ADD ONE DEFINITION IN THE AR THAT SAYS WHAT? AND, AND I THINK LARGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN INTERPRETED AS 15 LOTS.
YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN SURREY COUNTY, IF YOU DID OVER 15 LOTS, YOU HAD TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT INVOLVED IN IT.
BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, I MEAN, ONE, JUST ONE LITTLE DEFINITION I THINK WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, IT, IT'S IN OUR, OUR, IT'S IN OUR PURPOSE, THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT.
AND IT SAYS THAT WE DON'T, IN ADDITION, LARGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE PROHIBITED.
THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'VE, IT'S BEEN MADE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT LARGE IS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS LITTLE CHANGE, THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GET A DEFINITION OF LARGE SO THAT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER SUBDIVISION WITH 25 LOTS THAT COMES BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY, HEY, YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THE AR I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST LEAVING US WIDE OPEN RIGHT NOW.
IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND NAIL THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY EASILY AGREED UPON BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 15 LOTS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN THE DEFINITIONS OF LARGE, YOU KNOW WHAT A LARGE, I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT I'M KIND OF ADDING TO IT.
SO IF WE'RE INCREASING THE LOT SIZE TO 10 ACRES IN THE AR DISTRICT, RIGHT? THEY WOULD INEVITABLY HAVE TO, IF THEY'RE DOING 15 LOTS, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE 150 ACRES.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A WHAT'S PREVENTING THEM FROM DOING THAT AT ALL, JUST SYSTEMATICALLY WITH 10 ACRE LOT SUBDIVISIONS.
AND THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
I'M JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, 'CAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY, THEY'RE 10 ACRE, THEY'RE 10 ACRE MINIMUMS. AND JUST, JUST THE THOUGHT, THE THOUGHT, THE ONLY, MY ONLY POINT BEING THAT WE'RE, WE ARE, WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UH, WE CALL IT RESPONSIBILITIES OR WHATEVER, NEGATED BY THE STATE.
THE STATE SAYS WE CAN NO LONGER DO CERTAIN THINGS.
IF ONE DEFINITION, IF THE STATE DECIDES TO DO SOMETHING IN RICHMOND, WE ARE PROTECTED FOR THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
IF YOU GOT MORE THAN 15 LOTS, THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S A BIG, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IT VERY EASY WHILE WE'RE DOING IT.
I MEAN, JUST, JUST THE DEFINITION OF WHAT LARGE IS.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT TIES IN REAL WELL WITH THE 15 LOTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN THE RULE OF THUMB, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THAT? OR, BUT I'M JUST THINKING WHY, WHILE WE'RE DOING IT, THAT ONE LITTLE THING, AND THAT'LL TAKE ALL THE PRESSURE OFF OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING 25, BECAUSE THIS COULD GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERPOWER.
THEY WEREN'T TOTALLY CRAZY ABOUT 10 ACRE LOTS.
AND I'VE GOT A FEELING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A COUPLE LANDOWNERS COME IN AND SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY LAND.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE A
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SOLAR FIELD HERE IF IT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MM-HMMYOU KNOW, THIS ORDINANCE OR THAT ORDINANCE.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST, DOES IT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? OR, OR I I I, I I GET IT.
BUT YOU SAID MAYBE YOU CAN PROCESS THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YEAH.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, I'M TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BA BOX OF BEING IN A ZONING ORDINANCE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT PUTTING, IS IT, IS IT ZONING ORDINANCE OR IS A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT TOO? UNDERSTAND THE GIST OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED A LARGE LOT, RIGHT? IT SAYS IN, IT SAYS IT SPECIFICALLY THAT LANGUAGE AND THE PURPOSE IN THE AR DISTRICT.
SO TRYING TO FIND OUT, AND 1, 1, 1 OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT AT OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING IS MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEETH IN OUR ORDINANCE TO, TO ENFORCE WAS CONSIDERED A LARGE LOT, RIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED A LARGE LOT.
SO IT'S, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT LARGE LOT.
IT'S LARGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY AMBIGUOUS THOUGHT OF WHAT MY THOUGHT OF WHAT A LARGE LOT IS AND WHAT YOUR NUMBER, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT, WHAT A LARGE NUMBER IS, SIR.
IT NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT THERE IN, IN YOUR OPINION IS THEY NEED TO PUT OUT THERE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
SO, I MEAN, WHILE WE'RE DOING IT, AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, IT REALLY DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE CAVEAT OF THE REVAMPING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, BUT IT KIND OF TIES BACK INTO IT.
UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND OUR PURPOSE, OUR PURPOSE SAYS WE DON'T WANT SUBDIVISIONS OUT IN AR AND IF WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S, I WON'T, I WON'T BEAT THAT DOG.
WE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE REVISIT WE REVISIT THAT A COUPLE TIMES, SIR.
AND I, I, I GOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION REGARDING THIS, UH, MATTER, MR. CHAIRMAN? THE ONLY QUESTION THAT, UM, I HAD, UM, SECTION THREE DASH 3 0 3, UM, ON THE WRONG THING MM-HMM
IS SECTION THREE DASH 3 0 6 CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS.
UM, DO WE WANT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IN AR DISTRICT OR IS THAT A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO OR, OR, YOU KNOW WHAT'S, I THOUGHT THE, THE, UH, IN THE PAST, THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT PUSHED US, YOU KNOW, AROUND, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE A, NOT AROUND THE TOWNS, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OR DISTRICT EITHER, I GUESS, OR CERTAIN DISTRICTS FOR THAT, OR THEY, THEY DON'T DO IT IN THE AR DISTRICT.
THEY DO IT IN THIS NEW DISTRICT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING.
'CAUSE THE CLUSTERS IS GONNA BE SMALLER LOT SIZES.
AND, AND, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU SPOKE ON THIS ONE.
'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, JUST BETWEEN STAFF AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HOW DO WE GET HERE AT SURREY COUNTY? AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, SOME STATE CODES THAT WE'RE WONDERING HOW IT GOT INTRODUCED TO BEGIN WITH.
AND I, I I, I'VE GOT MORE, MORE QUESTIONS MYSELF THAN I DO HAVE ANSWERS AT THIS POINT OF, YOU KNOW, I, I WONDERING, OKAY, IT SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN, UM, TYPE OF, UM, GROWTH TO ACTUALLY HAVE THIS IN YOUR ORDINANCE, BUT SIRI'S POPULATION HAS STEADILY BEEN DECLINING.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING TOO, IS THIS WHAT I'M, LOOK WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THE STATE CODE, WHAT CAUSED US TO PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH I'M AS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAPPENED IN 2013.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M TRYING TO LOOK SOME THINGS UP.
IF, IF WE PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE IN 2013, OR IF IT WAS PREEXISTING, 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A DATE THAT'S IN THERE IN THE STATE CODE THAT SAYS IT HA IF YOU COULD DO IT IN THIS, THIS TIME PERIOD, YOU'RE FINE.
BUT NEW, NEW CO NEW ORDINANCES HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT DATE.
SO MS. PERKINS, AND, AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, IT SAYS THAT THE OWNER'S DEVELOPMENT MAY AT THEIR OPTION, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM THE OPTION? THEY CAN COME TO US AND ASK AND, YOU KNOW, TO ELECT TO UTILIZE THE FILING CLUSTER DIVISIONS.
I, I RECALL, UM, WHEN THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT OPTION CAME IN, UH, I THINK I JUST GOT ON THE BOARD.
AND, UH, MR. FRANKLIN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, HE HAD, IT WAS EITHER MR. FRANKLIN OR, UH, THE YOUNG LADY, MS. MACK.
I, I RECALL, I DON'T RECALL WHICH ONE IT WAS, BUT THEY BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HAPPENING.
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IN THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND THEY JUST ASKED, DID WE WANT TO JUST PLUG IT IN JUST TO SAY, UH, 'CAUSE AT THIS TIME FRAME, THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY'S REALLY FOCUSING AROUND THE TOWNSHIP OF BUILDING AND MAYBE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS, HOMES, TOWN HOMES, UH, KIND OF SOMETHING SORT OF LIKE THE BEN GRAND AND SMITHFIELD.THAT WAS ACTUALLY, THE TALKS WAS HAPPENING AND THAT PLACE WAS COMING UP.
AND UM, THAT WAS KIND OF PROPOSED.
DID WE LIKE IT? AND BECAUSE WE HAD SOME DIAGRAMS IN FRONT OF US AND EVERYTHING WITH, UH, UH, WITH, WITH PICTURES.
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DOES LOOK NICE ON PAPER.
UH, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE POPULATION GROW.
AND THIS IS HOW THE YOUNGER GENERATION IS STARTING TO LIVE NOW.
UM, WHETHER THEY WANT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR THE, OR THE, UM, TWO STORY HOME, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR THE APARTMENT OR THE, OR THE, UH, TOWNHOUSES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT GOT IN THERE.
THEY ASKED US HOW DO WE WANT TO INSERT IT? AND WE, WE WERE LIKE, YEAH, BECAUSE THIS MAY BE THE FUTURE OF ABSURD.
WELL, AND THEN WE GO BACK, PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT 10 ACRES OR MAY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE 10 ACRES, BUT THIS OPTION IS HERE IF A DEVELOPER CAME IN AND DECIDED TO PUT THE CLUSTER AREA IN.
THAT'S MR. CHAIRMAN
UM, THAT'S REALLY GOOD CONTEXT AND INFORMATION FOR MR. WADE AND I TO KNOW BECAUSE, UM, AS HE STATED, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE, HOW DID THIS EVEN GET IN HERE? DO? SO I, I GUESS TO SUMMARIZE EVERYTHING, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF WE ACTUALLY STILL EVEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO HAVE THIS IN, IN THERE BASED ON WHAT THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW IS.
UM, AND IT COULD BE, WE MET IT BACK WHEN IT FIRST WAS INTRODUCED INTO OUR ORDINANCE, BUT IT COULD BE WE NO LONGER MEET IT.
AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, OKAY, ARE WE GRANDFATHERED IN OR DO WE HAVE TO REPEAL IT? UM, DO WE WANT TO REPEAL IT? CAN WE, DO WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO, AS MR. BROCK SUGGESTED, HAVE THEM COME TO US? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, AND AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THE STATUTE READS THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE OWNER'S CHOICE.
IT'S NOT THE LOCALITY'S CHOICE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN EXERCISE IT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT AND CONFIRM ALL THAT AND ALSO FIND OUT WHETHER IT CAN GO INTO THE NEW PROPOSED DISTRICT IF, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
BECAUSE I'M, I'M NOT SAYING NOT DO IT, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, NOT DO IT IN AR DISTRICT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING ITEM B SUBDIVISION ORDER? IF NOT, I THINK JUST LIKE THE LAST SUBDIVISION, I MEAN THE LAST ORDINANCE, WE WANT YOU TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD ABSOLUTELY.
AND BRING BACK SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ALL DIGEST.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM C, THE, UH, FAMILY SUBDIVISION ORDER.
SO WE CAN START LOOKING AT THIS ORDINANCE.
WE START MAKING, UH, ADDITIONS, SUBTRACTIONS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DIVISION.
WE SPECIFIED THAT THIS IS FAMILY DIVISIONS FOR LAND IN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED THIS, THAT THE TRANSFER OR PARCEL WAS HELD IN OWNERSHIP BY A FAMILY MEMBER PURSUANT TO A RECORDED DEED.
UM, THAT INFORMATION WAS JUST PASSED.
UH, THERE, WE DID ADD ON TO THE FAMILY DIVISION, UM, THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS STATED BEFORE, ADDING NIECE, NEPHEW, AUNT, UNCLE, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS AS BEING ELIGIBLE FOR FAMILY DIVISION.
UM, BUT ALSO SET OUT AN APPLICATION FOR THE FAMILY DIVISION, UM, OF WHAT IS, WHAT IS REQUIRED.
UM, AND THIS IS, UM, THROUGH A, A NOTARY AFFIDAVIT SIGNED BY THE GRANTOR THAT SHOWS THE GRANTEES IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE DATE OF THE TRANSFER TO IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER WITH THE, WITH THE INSTRUMENT NUMBER, A D BOOK AND PAGE NUMBER THAT NO PREVIOUS TRANSFER, UM, HAS BEEN GRANTED TO THE GRANTEE AND SUR COUNTY THAT THE TRANSFER IS NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUPERVISION OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THAT THE LOT WILL NOT BE VOLUNTARY TRANSFERRED TO A NON IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER, UM, FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS.
MISS ANYTHING MINIMUM ACREAGE, UM, MINIMUM, UH, ACREAGE OR SIZE OF PARCEL IS ONE ACRE.
THE LOT FRONTAGE IS ONE 50 FEET AND SHOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM SECTION 8.2 0.4 OF THE SURREY COUNTY.
UH, SURREY COUNTY, UH, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, RESIDUAL OR PARCEL MUST BE CONTAINED NO LESS THAN FIVE ACRES.
SO THAT WAS THE PIECE THERE IS THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU ARE SUBDIVIDING, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE YOU HAVE A 10 ACRE PARCEL THAT YOU BOUGHT, AND I THINK THIS IS, MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE SHARE IS LIKE YOU GET A, YOU BUY A 10 PIECE PIECE OF PARCEL TOMORROW.
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UH, YOU WANT TO NOW SUBDIVIDE A COUPLE ACRES OFF TWO ACRES, TWO, TWO ACRE PARCELS TO TWO OF YOUR, YOUR LOVED ONES.UM, YOU HAVE, YOU, YOU NOW HAVE EIGHT, EIGHT, UH, EIGHT ACRES LEFT.
UM, AND YOU, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HELD TO A REQUIREMENT OF HAVING, UH, FIVE ACRES AS A RESIDUAL.
SO YOU, YOU PROBABLY ELIGIBLE FOR TO DO ANOTHER THREE SUB THREE SUBDIVISIONS OF, OF MINIMUM OF AN ACRE DEPENDING ON, UM, WHERE YOU ARE WITH YOUR SEPTIC.
AND WELL, UM, AND YOU MAY, IF YOU DECIDE TO DO A THREE ACRE PARCEL TO SUBDIVISION FOR ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER, YOU'RE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT YOUR LIMIT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LEFT WITH.
UM, SO, UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR, UM, YOU TO, TO DIVIDE DOWN TO A, A PROPERTY A, UM, A FAMILY MEMBER.
BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR YOU, THERE'S NO, I THINK INITIALLY WE SAID YOU GOTTA HOLD IT FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU SAID BY TWO FAMILY MEMBERS.
THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT THE DAY AFTER YOU PURCHASED YOUR, OR A DAY AFTER YOU PURCHASED YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, AS LONG AS IT'S TO A FAMILY MEMBER JUST SUBDIVIDED DOWN TO, UM, TO AN ACRES AS LONG AS YOU HAVE, SHOW A RESIDUAL OF FIVE ACRES FOR THE PARENT PARCEL.
SO THAT'S, THIS IS WHAT THAT ORDINANCE SAYS.
AND DOES, UM, I THINK 8.2 0.4, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU BRIEFLY.
THAT IS THE PROVISION I BELIEVE ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE WATER REQUIREMENT FOR 8.2 0.4.
I'LL MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT ONE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PROVISION FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT CODE SECTION, UH, REQUIRING, UM, IF YOU AT LEAST TWO ACRES BEFORE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM, THIS EXEMPTS FAMILY DIVISIONS FROM THAT REQUIREMENT OF HAVING A CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM.
MAKE SURE I CAN SHARE THAT SECTION THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT SECTION IS RIGHT THERE.
IT IT EXEMPTS THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, FROM HAVING TO DO A CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM, UM, WITH, WITH A FAMILY DIVISION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF EXCEPTIONS IF YOU'RE DOING A FAMILY DIVISION.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? JUST ONE.
SO A GUY HAS EIGHT ACRES UHHUH, AND HE WANTS TO GIVE FOUR ACRES TO A LOVED ONE.
DOES IT NOT MATTER THAT THE OTHER HALF IS LESS THAN FIVE ACRES OR IS THAT ONLY WHEN YOU'RE GIVING AN ACRE OFF AT A TIME? IF HE HAS EIGHT ACRES AND GIVEN FOUR ACRES, HE WOULD HAVE A RESIDUAL THAT WOULD BE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES.
SO HE, HE COULD STILL ONLY GIVE YOU COULDN'T CUT A LOT, UH, EIGHT ACRES AND HALF.
YOU, BUT THE LEAST YOU COULD GIVE WOULD BE THREE ACRES.
SO THE, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT, ABOUT THAT, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE WHERE THEY DO, PEOPLE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST HAVE DONE BOUNDARY ON ADJUSTMENTS.
AND KEEP IN MIND WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS NOT BASICALLY, UM, CREATING A NON-CONFORMING LOT.
SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE SPLIT, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS EIGHT ACRES AND THEY WANTED TO GIVE THEIR PERSON THAT, THEIR FAMILY MEMBER FOUR ACRES, BUT THEY WERE AROUND PEOPLE THAT WERE, THEY WERE AROUND, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AROUND A, ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAD LET'S SAY 20 SOMETHING ACRES.
IF THEY WANTED TO SOMEHOW STILL, YOU KNOW, GET THEM TO, YOU KNOW, GET FOUR ACRES.
THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT WITH THE PERSON WHO HAD ENOUGH PARCEL TO GET THAT TO DO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO GET THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT MIGHT NOT BE THROUGH A FAMILY DIVISION.
SO THERE'S, THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE MORE LAND PROBABLY TO, TO DO THAT.
SO I, I THINK THE FIVE ACRES IS GOOD.
WHERE I LIVE AT, BACK IN THE EIGHTIES THERE WAS A BIG, THEY WOULD COME IN AND THEY WOULD GET UNDER 15 LOTS AND THEY WOULD PUT A LITTLE ROAD IN AND THEY PUT LITTLE FIVE ACRE LOTS ALL ON DOWN THERE.
AND THAT ALLOWED 'EM NOT TO BUILD THE ROAD TO STATE SPECS.
SO THE ROAD THAT I LIVE ON IS VERY WELL MAINTAINED.
WE HAVE A HOA, WE KEEP IT UP, BUT EVERYBODY'S LOT IS FIVE ACRES.
SO NOBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DID SUBDIVIDE THE LOT IS JUST BIG ENOUGH FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE NOW.
SO I THINK THE FIVE ACRES IS GOOD.
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'CAUSE IF YOU WENT SMALLER THAN THAT, YOU'D HAVE DOUBLE THE CARS GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, DOUBLE WEAR AND TEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD NEED THE BIGGER ROADS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY EMERGENCY SERVICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.SO I, I THINK THE FIVE ACRES IS A GOOD, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO MR. WADE, UM, BACK TO MR. BERRYMAN'S EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD AAC ALIVE ONE AND SPLIT IT IN 2 4 4 BECAUSE YOU HAD TWO FAMILY MEMBERS YOU WANTED TO GIVE IT TO, UH, AS THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, WE ALL KNOW IT WOULD NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
IS THERE A WAY FOR THAT APPLICANT TO PETITION THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RELIEF OR NO? SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT OR AM I OPENING UP A WHOLE NOTHER NO, WHAT WHAT YOU'VE OPENED UP WAS WHAT YOU OPENED WAS PANDORA'S BOX
NO, BUT, BUT THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH, IS LIKE, OKAY, WHAT IS THE 'CAUSE TO EVERY THING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH? WE HAVE TO ALSO FIGURE OUT TOO, IF SOMEONE DOES WANT TO DO THAT, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? SO, UM, SO BECAUSE IT'S IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND IT, AND THERE ARE PIECES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE SPEAKS ABOUT THINGS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IF THE FAMILY VISION'S IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO WHAT DO YOU, SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO? AND, AND YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL MIGHT WANNA THINK ABOUT IT, BUT I THOUGHT IN ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT WAS YOUR DISCRETION, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE A HARDSHIP OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO MORE LAND ADD TO GIVE OTHER THAN YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU GOTTA DECIDE WAY.
I I'M NOT GIVING YOU FOUR WAY 'CAUSE I'LL GIVE YOU THREE ACRES IN YOU NEED.
I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
WHEN I WAS IN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY OF WHAT A SITUATION THAT WAS, SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT, HOW THAT HAPPENED.
UM, SO THERE WAS A SITUATION THERE.
'CAUSE PRINCE GEORGE ACTUALLY HAS THAT COAT SECTION ABOUT THE FIVE ACRE HAS TO HAVE A FIVE ACRE RESIDUAL AS WELL.
UM, THERE WAS A SITUATION THAT WAS, I THINK IT WAS A 10 ACRE PARCEL AND THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCEL, THREE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LEAVE IT TO THREE HEIRS.
THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD DO THAT WAS GIFTING EACH PROPERTY TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS SO THAT THERE WAS NO RESIDUAL PROPERTY AT ALL.
IT WAS GIFTED TO THE THREE, UM, I GUESS FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS SUB DIVIDED THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO THAT, THAT MAY BE, BUT I THINK YOU WANT, YOU MAY WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR OF, OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A FAMILY DIVISION.
SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NOT PREVENTING THEM FROM GIVING FOUR ACRES AWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL DO THAT UNDER THE REGULAR ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT JUST WOULDN'T ENTITLE THEM TO THE BENEFITS THAT THE FAMILY DIVISION PROVIDES.
SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, MR. BROCK, WE, UM, WE PUT IN THE DISCRETIONARY PIECE AND THAT WAS FOR THE NUMBER OF YEARS THAT THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE HELD AFTER THE DIVISION OCCURS.
SO I I THINK THAT'S FIVE, FIVE YEARS.
FIVE, I THINK THAT'S FIVE YEARS.
SO WE PUT IN THAT HARDSHIP TO ACCOUNT FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE GETTING TRANSFERRED BECAUSE OF THEIR MILITARY OR YOU KNOW, A A SITUATION HAPPENING AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN A, A POTENTIAL FORECLOSURE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL STRIFE, THAT SORT OF THING.
I SEE THAT AS DIFFERENT, ULTIMATELY IT'S A POLICY DECISION.
IS IT LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE? YES.
BUT UL I, I KIND OF SEE THAT AS A DIFFERENT, UM, BEING ABLE TO KEEP FIVE ACRES VERSUS FOUR ACRES.
I SEE THAT AS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A HARDSHIP SITUATION.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S A POLICY DECISION.
AND IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE THAT CAVEAT, UM, I THINK, I THINK IT IS A PANDORA'S BOX.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A SLIPPERY SLOPE IF YOU GRANT IT FOR ONE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA DENY IT TO ANOTHER.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT THE HARDSHIP THAT WE'VE WRITTEN IN THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WILL MAKE IT A MORE SUBJECTIVE DECISION AS OPPOSED TO AN OBJECTIVE DECISION.
AND, UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THE CRITERIA ARE SO THAT MR. WADE OR HIS STAFF DON'T GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE, WELL, YOU LET LOLA DO IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT LETTING DR.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY 2 CENTS ON THAT.
THANK YOU MS. PERS, MR. CHAIR.
UM, SO, SO THAT I'M, SO THAT I'M, I'M CLEAR, RIGHT? UM, IF SOMEONE HAD, LET'S JUST SAY THEY HAD EIGHT ACRES AND THEY HAD EIGHT KIDS AND THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA GIVE EACH KID AN ACRE TO
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BUILD A HOUSE ON, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE OKAY OR WE'RE NOT OKAY.MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS THAT THAT WOULD NOT FALL UNDER A FAMILY DIVISION.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY, YOU CAN TRANSFER PROPERTY TO WHOMEVER YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH INTO WHETHER OR NOT THAT, BECAUSE TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE CIRCUMVENTING THE ORDINANCE, UM, IF YOU'RE LEAVING NOTHING AS THE RESIDUAL PARCEL.
BUT IT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE A NON HARDSHIP FOR THE CITIZENS SO THEY CAN LEAVE THEIR KIDS SOMETHING TO RESIDE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AND, AND AGAIN, THEY STILL CAN.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE, THE PROS? WHAT PROS AND CONS? YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IT'LL BE CASE BY CASE.
I, I, MY OPINION, I THINK IT'LL BE CASE BY CASE BECAUSE YOU'LL, EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE 10 ACRES.
EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE FIVE ACRES.
YOU KNOW, I, I I BELIEVE IT'S, WE SAY PANDORA'S BOX, BUT I, I THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA BE, HEY, WHAT CAN I DO? IT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT QUESTION.
AND THEY'LL, I THINK THAT WOULD THEN COME BEFORE US.
RIGHT? OR WILL YOU JUST SHOOT 'EM DOWN? OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE THOSE CASES? IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE SET IT UP.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HARDSHIP THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION.
BUT, UM, IF YOU ALL WANTED TO ADD AN EXTRA LAYER OF OVERSIGHT, THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN APPEAL, PERHAPS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
I MEAN IT, BUT THAT'LL GO TO THE, UH, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
WELL, THIS ISN'T A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO WHAT IS IT NOW? RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, I'VE DONE SEVERAL FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS WHERE I'VE GIVEN PROPERTY TO MY CHILDREN.
SO AS A, AS OF TODAY, IF WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT RIGHT NOW, THEY CAN'T GO LESS THAN FIVE ACRES.
IS THAT, THAT'S IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
NOW YOU CAN GO DOWN TO, YOU CAN DOWN TO AN ACRE.
OH, IT CAN GO DOWN TO AN ACRE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THE ONLY THING THEY GET IS, IS THEY, UM, FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS AS IT'S 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY.
THE REGULAR, YOU KNOW, SUB SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY IF YOU WERE GOING IN IS THE WAY I INTERPRETED FROM YEARS BACK.
YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THEY MEET THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE ACRE LOT.
AND 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD, UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT SIZES ARE BIGGER, YOU KNOW, IN AR DISTRICT.
AND, UH, BUT THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION GIVES THEM THE ONE ACRE LOT AND A SMALLER DRIVE OUT AND UH, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT KIND OF THING.
WELL, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, THEY'D HAVE TO MEET ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS AS A REGULAR SUBDIVISION IN THE ORDINANCES AND THE WATER SYSTEM AND WATER AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK WE TOUCH IT, IN MY OPINION.
TOUCH THE, THE, THE MINIMUM YES.
OR THE, IF WE CAN STAY IN THE ONE ACRE OR THE RESIDUAL OR THE RESIDUAL LOT SIZE.
WELL, I, IT'S PROBABLY RESIDUAL SPEAKING OF THAT.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE A REWARD FOR THE CITIZENS.
IF, IF I, I JUST HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, WELL, THEY GOTTA GO ASK THE NEIGHBOR, CAN WE BUY A PIECE OF YOUR PROPERTY TO MAKE MY STUFF WORK? THAT, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
THAT DOESN'T, THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IT FOR.
THE CITIZENS OF SUR OR THE NEW ONES THAT MAY WANT TO COME IN.
WELL, THE NEW ONES THAT COME IN, THEY'LL BE HELD TO THIS.
WELL, THEY'LL BE HELD TO, YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S A, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.
SO I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE RESIDUAL.
THAT'S PROBABLY A, A, A CONVERSATION BETWEEN YOU AS A QUICK COMMISSION ABOUT ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMISSION? YOU KNOW, IF WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE WANT, WE DO WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF THE, THE WHOLE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND MAYBE ONE OF THE THINGS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE AS A COMMISSION, WE MEET WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAYBE YOU GIVE THEM TWO OPTIONS OF OPTION A RESIDUAL.
THERE IS NO RESIDUAL OR OPTION TWO THERE.
THE OPTION IS TO BE A, UH, TO HAVE A FIVE ACRE RESIDUAL.
AND THAT'S, YOU, YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD PULL THE BOARD ON THAT RECOMMENDATION LIKE THAT IF YOU HAD TWO OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
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THE OTHER WAY TO APPROACH THIS IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.SO YOU ALL COULD, WE COULD ADVERTISE IT AS A FIVE ACRE RESIDUAL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LARGER AND THEN SOLICIT THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL AGAIN CAN DISCUSS AND YOU, IF WE ADVERTISE IT AS THE RESIDUAL IS FIVE AND WE END UP NOT PUTTING A LIMIT ON IT OR PUTTING IT DOWN TO ONE OR TWO OR WHATEVER, THEN WE'RE FINE FROM AN ADVERTISING STANDPOINT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO KIND OF, UM, SOLICIT PUBLIC INPUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN ONCE WE GET THE PUBLIC INPUT, YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT THAT EVENING.
YOU CAN, UM, GIVE US DIRECTION TO TAKE IT BACK AND, AND, AND DRAFT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
IT MIGHT REQUIRE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
SO JUST A ANOTHER OPTION KIND OF RECOGNIZING THAT, UM, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THIS FORWARD AND NOT WANTING TO STALL IT OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT PUBLIC OPINION IS YET.
I JUST DON'T WANT CITIZENS TO GOING A FRENZY AND EVEN GET THAT FAR FOR THEM TO SAY, WHAT ARE Y'ALL TRYING TO DO WITHOUT PROPERTY? AND THIS, THAT'S WHAT I, I'M TRYING TO ELIMINATE ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATE.
BUT IF WE, IF WE GOTTA GO THAT ROUTE, AND I MEAN, CAN YOU HAVE THAT CAVEAT? I, I'VE SEEN IT IN, IT'S IN OUR, UM, AR THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE LIKE ANYTHING SUBDIVIDED BEFORE, I MEAN, TO PROTECT THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS, LIKE YOU SAID, WE COULD GO DOWN SMALLER, BUT NEW PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I COULD SEE, KIND OF, THINK MR. WADE WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO IT, OR MAYBE YOU, MS. PERKINS SAID THAT SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND SAY, I'M I'M GONNA BUY 10 ACRES AND KNOWING THAT I CAN GO DOWN AND I, I'M CHOP IT UP.
AND SO HE'S MAKING A SUBDIVISION.
HE'S CIRCUMVENTING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE BY, BY DOING THAT, EVEN THOUGH HE SELLS IT TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, GRANDFATHER, EVERYBODY THAT'S A CURRENT LANDOWNER NOW, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT DATE AND THEY CAN GO SMALLER, BUT AFTER THAT DATE, YOU GOTTA ADHERE TO THE FIVE ACRE MINIMUM.
THAT WAY SOMEBODY COMES IN AND BUY LAND, THEY'LL KNOW RIGHT OFF.
WELL, I, I CAN'T GIVE ALL MY KIDS, I ONLY GOT 10 ACRES AND NOBODY HAS 10 KIDS OR 11 KIDS ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE, I'VE SEEN SURVEYORS WHO'VE DONE JUST WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH.
JUST TO CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS.
THAT, THAT'S KIND OF, I MEAN I, I, I'M LIKE, I'M DEFINITELY WITH MR. HARDY THAT WE WANT TO, UM, PROTECT THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS.
SO I MEAN, IS IS IT ALLOWABLE TO PUT THE DATE ON, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DATE, ANYTHING SUBDIVIDED, YOU KNOW, A CAVEAT IN OUR FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT AFTER I, I WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT AND JUST CONFIRM THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
I THINK IT IS, BUT I WOULD JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT WAY IT PROTECTS THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS THAT KEEPS THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE COMING IN TO CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS FROM DOING IT.
IS THAT REASON THEY STILL GOTTA KEEP IT FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
THEY GIVE IT TO NINE UNCLES AND AUNTS, BUT THEY GOTTA KEEP IT FOR FIVE YEARS FROM THE TIME THEY DO IT.
SO, UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THEY'RE AFTER, BUT FIVE YEARS WAS A REGULAR WASTE TO, I MEAN, A REGULAR TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF HOLD ONTO THE LAND AND NOT DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WITH IT AND NOT HAVE A RESIDUAL, LIKE YOU SAID, THE 10 ACRES YOU GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE MR. UM, THE HARDEST SAYING IF YOU GOT FIVE ACRES AND, AND EIGHT KIDS, YOU CAN'T DO IT TO START WITH SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE 'EM TO FIVE KIDS.
BUT, BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR RESIDUAL, I MEAN A, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDUAL OF FIVE ACRES, I'M KIND OF WITH THEM AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT 10 ACRES, YOU, YOU BUILD YOU A HOST AND IF YOU CAN PUT EVERYTHING YOU WANT ON THAT ACRE LAND AND YOU GIVE IT TO NINE OTHER PEOPLE, THEY GOTTA KEEP IT.
IT AIN'T LIKE THEY CAN DO IT AND THEN SELL IT NEXT YEAR UNLESS THEY COME TO YOU FOR THAT HARDSHIP.
BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE NINE UNCLES AND GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT MANY MIGHT.
I DUNNO, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M, I'M THINKING THE, THE FIVE ACRE RESIDUAL, UM, I SEE THE PLUSES AND THE MINUSES IN IT, BUT MR. WADE, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE TO MEET AGAIN THAT, THAT THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE MM-HMM
AND, AND HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION AROUND SURE.
THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT.
AND I, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT STAFF TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS ORDER FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, THIS WADE, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
HERE'S THE COPY
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AND THE COMMITTEE UPDATES.I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO, WHO ELSE WE HAVE.
SO, SO WE WILL HAVE A SUB, A SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE COMING UP SOON.
UM, WE, WE, I'LL BE REACHING OUT TO TO TO ALL THOSE INVOLVED WITH THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD PUT UP THERE TOO, ON THE, ON THE COUNTER, UM, IS WE DID NOT INTRODUCE THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION.
THAT'S ONE THING YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED IS NOT, THAT IS NOT HERE, BUT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS INTRODUCING A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION, UM, TO GO ALONG WITH, UM, THE TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCE SECTIONS.
THE A R ZONING DISTRICT, THE 10 ACRE MINIMUMS, UH, WITH THE, UH, FA DIVISION ORDINANCE.
I THINK THE, THE PART THAT WE WANT TO, UH, I THINK THE APARTMENT IS MORE PALATABLE FOR THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY SEE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD'S MAKING THESE RECOMMENDED CHANGES IS THAT IF YOU'RE HAVING THE 10 ACRE MINIMUMS, YOU ALSO HAVE, OKAY, WE'RE SOFTENING IT FOR FAMILY DIVISIONS AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, TO DIVIDE PROPERTY TO BE TWO TO 10 ACRE LESS THAN TWO, BUT, UM, MORE THAN TWO, BUT LESS THAN 10 ACRES.
THERE'S A, A, A AVENUE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE PART OF THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT WAS A COMPROMISE, IT WAS A COLLABORATION OF, OF IDEAS OF HOW DO YOU GET THIS PIECE 10 ACRE MINIMUMS WITHOUT HAVING THE PUBLIC SUFFER FROM POSSIBLE THOUGHTS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE FAM PEOPLE FAMILY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE AND ALSO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SUBDIVIDE LAND LESS THAN 10 ACRES.
SO THERE'S A WAY OF VISIONING OUT BOTH OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES, UM, SO THAT THE, THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE BEING YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOUR, AND YOUR AND YOUR FUTURE ORDINANCES.
SO, UM, I THINK WITH OTHER, OTHER PROCESS THERE WAS TO ACTUALLY INTRODUCE THE, UM, THE NEW RE THE NEW RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT COULD GET US TO THE FINISH LINE FOR WHERE THE 10 ACRE MINIMUM IS SEEN AS, AS SOMETHING I GUESS SO SPEAK A PILL TO SWALLOW.
SO SOME PEOPLE IT IS A HEARTACHE FOR HEART ACRE.
UH, FOR SOME PEOPLE JUST SWALLOW THAT PILL OF, WELL, I I I CAN'T DO 10 ACRE LOT, I CAN'T BUY A 10 ACRE LOT.
WHAT, WHAT DO I DO IN SURY COUNTY? WELL, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME WAYS TO DO THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, A PROJECT LIKE SPRIGHTLY MILL, THE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR THAT ONE WOULD BE, OKAY, THAT PROJECT I I, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THIS 10 ACRE MINIMUM, THERE WOULDN'T, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF MORE LIKELY GO TO OUR NEW ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENT IN WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE IT GO FOR THE REZONING BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD BEFORE IT WOULD BE APPROVED.
SO THOSE WAS, THOSE, THOSE ARE THOUGHT PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE HERE TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE FOR, UM, PROJECT CAN STILL HAPPEN.
BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, TO MOVE THROUGH TO GET IT TO WORK.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I AM FOR NEXT, THE NEXT STEPS HERE IS TO ALSO INTRODUCE THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT.
THERE IS SOME WORK WE HAVE TO DO IN THE OTHER ORDINANCES, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU SOON.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE AT THIS TIME HAVE ENOUGH TIME, HAVE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UM, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY TIMEWISE, BUT AS FAR AS GETTING THINGS READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK WE MORE LIKELY EITHER JULY OR AUGUST MORE LIKELY BE A TIME PERIOD FOR, FOR ANY ORDINANCE UPDATES.
BUT WE WILL WANT TO BRING BACK TO YOU MORE WORK OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE ORDINANCES THAT I, ALL THREE OF THESE ARE SEPARATE ISSUES.
I MEAN, THEY ALL HAVE THREE HAVE SEPARATE HEARINGS.
IT'D BE THREE SEPARATE HEARINGS, BUT IT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 'EM AT THE, OR AT THE SAME TIME.
BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THESE IN, IN I GUESS, SOMEWHAT IN SYNC BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WAS A PHASED APPROACH TO ADDRESSING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WE STILL HAVE THAT OTHER PHASE.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SAYS ALL OF THESE THINGS.
AND THERE'S CERTAIN PARTS OF SUBDIVISION WARRANTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT OUTTA DATE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE SEPARATE.
'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE CODE, BUT WE COULD COMBINE THE, THE AR MINIMUM AND THE FAMILY DIVISION 'CAUSE IT'S ALL WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
OR WE COULD HAVE SEPARATE PROBABLE HEARINGS.
ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, ANY OTHER PC SECRETARY UPDATES ON COMMUNICATIONS? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.
I I, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE MAY BE A CHANCE FOR US MAYBE IN THE NEXT, NEXT MONTH OR SO, MAYBE TO GO OVER SOME, UM, SOME LEGISLATIVE
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UPDATES THAT I GUESS THAT MAY AFFECT ANY, ANY NEW ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE.UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS, MS. PERKINS, YOU, YOU ATTENDED A SOLAR UPDATE SO THAT I I HAVEN'T BEEN BRIEFED ON IT JUST YET.
'CAUSE I HAD, I HAD ANOTHER MEETING TO ATTEND AT THE TIME.
SO, BUT THERE WAS SOME, THERE'S SOME SOLAR UPDATES AND SOME, SOME DIFFERENT GENERAL, SO MANY THINGS THAT, THAT DO AFFECT THINGS THAT YOU ALL DO THAT MAYBE LIKE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A SNAPSHOT, UH, AT YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
AND IN ALL CANDOR, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO SOLAR ARE STILL BEING FIGURED OUT, UM, BY FOLKS MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM.
AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, ASIDE FROM ALERTING YOU ALL THAT CHANGES ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF GUIDANCE ON THAT JUST YET.
UM, BUT AGAIN, HAPPY TO GIVE YOU ALL THE UPDATE.
SO JUST TEMPERING EXPECTATIONS.
IS THE, THE SOLAR PROJECT IN EDWARDS, IS IT IN THE TOWN OF SURREY OR IN THE COUNTY OF SURREY? WILL WE SEE THAT OR DOES THE TOWN IT'S, IT'S IN THE, THE PROJECT.
I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE APPLICATION.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN APPLICATION YET, BUT SHOULD WE RECEIVE AN APPLICATION? IT IT IS WITHIN THE COUNTY LIMITS.
SO, UM, IF WE, IF WE DO, UM, IF WE DO GET A PROJECT, IT WOULD COME BEFORE THIS BODY.
AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'VE LET THE DEVELOPER KNOW THAT IT DOES, DOESN'T MEET A LOT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS STANDARDS NOR THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEW STATE CODE IS WHAT MS. PERKINS IS KIND OF TRYING TO GIVE UPDATES ON IS SOME OF THOSE CODE UPDATES MAY REQUIRE US TO DO ORDINANCE UPDATES AS WELL.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I HAVE, I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE UPDATES, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THEM LIKE, OH WOW, WE JUST GOT FINISHED WITH OUR ORDERS UPDATE AND NOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
HAS ANY UH, CONSTRUCTION STARTED ON THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY YET? NO.
WE, WE, WE, WE, NO, WE HAVE NOT, UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A SITE PLAN TO DATE.
SO HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN PERMITTED? UH, WHEN, WHEN WAS THAT REMEMBER EVER? YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY THANKS TO MR. BERRYMAN, TO, UH, SPEAK AT THE TON CLUB THE OTHER NIGHT ON THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT, IT WAS A GREAT CONVERSATION.
UM, THERE WAS SOME GREAT IDEAS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT, AT THE MEETING, SO I I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
AND, UH, WE DID NOT HAVE A WAY TO PROJECT, SO THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT I HAD AS A, AS A SLIDE THANK YOU TO, TO MR. WADE THAT I WILL, UM, BE SHARING WITH THEM SOME DOCUMENTS THAT MR. WADE PROVIDED, WHICH ARE ALL PUBLIC DOCUMENTS, BUT I'LL SEND THAT TO THEM AS A WAY OF, UM, FOLLOWING UP WITH OUR CONVERSATION.
SO I DID WANT TO SAY THAT IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN UNTIL OUR A JUNE 22ND.
ALRIGHT, ANY PROPERLY MOVE? AND SECOND.