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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.[Planning Commission on July 20, 2026.]
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, JULY 20TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.TO ORDER AT THIS TIME, WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND AND RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS FOR ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND LIBERTY, JUSTICE ALL.
AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A ROLL CALL.
THE PARTY PRESENT? BEARMAN? HERE.
UH, BEFORE WE ADOPT THE MEETING AGENDA, MR. WADE, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES YOU WANT TO SUGGEST? YES, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, UH, MAKE SURE THIS MIC IS OFF.
CAN WE TURN THE SPEAKERS UP? I MEAN, THIS UNIT OVER HERE, IT'S HARD TO HEAR.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO TURN THE, TURN A MUSCLE? LET'S CHECK ON THAT AND GET, YEAH.
IF I CAN BRING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN FRONT OF OLD BUSINESS AND HAVE WHOLE BUSINESS HEARD AFTER PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THAT'S ALL HEARD THAT HE SAY, MR. WADE SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN FRONT OF OLD BUSINESS.
SO BASICALLY REARRANGING ITEM SIX AND, AND BRINGING THAT BEFORE OLD BUSINESS IF THE COMMISSION IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
AND SECOND, THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED WITH THE CORRECTION BY MR. WADE.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THE MEETING AGENDA IS ADOPTED.
NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSENT ITEMS. THE, UH, MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 22ND, 2026 MEETING.
IF THERE ARE ANY CORRECTIONS, PLEASE NOTE THEM AT THIS TIME.
IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
AND SECOND THAT WE ADOPT THE JUNE 20, 26 MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE THE MOTION IS CARRIED.
UH, NEXT, MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS OR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I THINK THIS ONE'S YOU JUST CHECK, CHECK.
CAN YOU ALL, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER? A LITTLE BIT BETTER? YEAH, A LITTLE BIT.
UM, TONIGHT WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UM, ORDERS AMENDMENT 20 20 26 0 1.
IT'S AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, AMENDING THE LIMITATIONS OF SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, THIS IS A AMENDMENT TO OUR AR ZONING DISTRICT.
IT WOULD, UH, AMEND THE DISTRICT TO EXCEED 15 ACRES AS LARGE A CRITERIA OF ALL RESIDENTIAL USES TO DELETE CERTAIN CRITERIA AND LOT REQUIREMENTS BY INCREASING MINIMUMS FOR LOT SIZE WITHIN ROADS.
THE CRITERIA FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL USES TO DELETE CERTAIN CRITERIA.
AND SECTION THREE DASH 3 0 4 LOT REQUIREMENTS BY INCREASING MINIMUM LOT MINIMUMS FOR LOT SIZE, WIDTH, AND ROAD FRONTAGE AS FOLLOWS.
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SIZE FROM ONE ACRE TO 10 ACRES, LOT WIDTH AND ROAD FRONTAGE FROM 150 FEET TO 400 FEET ALONG PRIMARY SECONDARY PUBLIC ROADS AND FROM 100 FEET TO 300 FEET FOR LOT WIDTH AND 100 FEET TO 200 FEET FOR LOT FRONTAGE ON NEW SUBDIVISION ROADS.UM, THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH ONE HAS BEEN BEFORE US, UH, FOR SOME TIME.
WE HAVE REVIEWED IT AS A COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE SUBDIVISION SUBCOMMITTEE HAS, UM, LOOKED AT THIS.
AND BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? HEARING NONE, I'LL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
ANY PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
SEEING THAT THERE IS NO PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I WILL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION AS IT RELATES TO ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH ONE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, DENY OR TABLE, UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2026 DASH OH ONE, UH, WITH THE MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH ONE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH ONE? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
AND SECOND THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH ONE.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALRIGHT, MR. WADE, THE SECOND ITEM, PLEASE.
THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT IS AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND ARTICLE SIX, SECTION 6.2 A FIVE.
THIS IS THE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS OF SURY COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH MINIMUM ACREAGE FOR NEWLY CREATED ONE ACRE PARENT PARCEL, FIVE ACRES AND A RESIDUAL FIVE ACRES PURSUANT TO A FAMILY DIVISION, EXCEPT IN INSTANCES WHERE THE PARENT PARCEL WAS LASTLY CONVEYED.
PRIOR TO OCTOBER 1ST, 2026, THE MINIMUM REVERSE TO ONE ACRE AS A REQUIRED AFFIDAVIT FROM AN OWNER DETAIL AND CERTAIN INFORMATION AND CERTIFYING THAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR QUAL QUALIFY FOR A FAMILY DIVISION HAVE BEEN MET AND THE RESTRICTIONS ON FUTURE CONVEYANCE WILL BE FOLLOWED.
IT INCLUDES A MECHANISM TO ALLOW CONVEYANCE BEFORE FIVE YEARS IN THE CASE OF EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, LIMITS FAMILY DIVISIONS TO THE, TO ONLY THE AR ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, TO TONIGHT WE DO HAVE, UH, THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU.
ONE OF THE LAST ITEMS THAT, THAT I BELIEVE AS COMMISSIONED THAT YOU WILL ASK IS THAT TO CONSIDER THOSE PROPERTIES PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY NOW, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A RESIDUAL OF ONE ACRE.
UM, INSTEAD OF CHANGING THAT RULE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY OWN PROPERTY MM-HMM
UM, SO AT THAT TIME WE, WE DID ADD THAT TO THE LANGUAGE, TO THE ORDINANCE.
AND THERE YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW.
UM, AS IT RELATES TO ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH TWO, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I, I FEEL LIKE MR. WADE DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF CAPTURING EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED.
IT WAS A TEAM, IT WAS A TEAMWORK PROJECT, MS. PERKINS.
IT WAS DEF DEFINITELY HELPFUL IN THAT TOO.
THE WHOLE TEAM WAS PER, WAS, WAS, WAS WORKING WELL ON THAT ONE.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT THIS TIME, ANY PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK TO.
ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH TWO.
SEEING NO PUBLIC COMING TO SPEAK, I'LL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED ONCE AGAIN.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION AS IT RELATES TO ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH TWO? HEARING NONE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE, DENY, OR TABLE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH TWO.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2026 DASH OH TWO, UH,
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TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
AND SECOND THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH TWO.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THE AMENDMENT IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR ADOPTION.
UH, ITEM THREE OR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2026 DASH OH THREE.
UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE ORDERS TO AMEND ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 2 1 0 2 DEFINITIONS AND ARTICLE THREE, SECTION THREE, UM, 1400 FOR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION DISTRICT OF THE SURREY COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALIGN WITH REGULATORY UPDATES, THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION ACT OUTLINED IN AND 62.1 THROUGH 44 POINT 1567 THROUGH 79 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
AND, UH, THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE NINE VAC 25 DASH EIGHT 30, THE AMENDMENTS INCLUDE CHANGES TO DEFINITIONS, CLARIFICATION OF EXISTING LANGUAGE AND ADD CRITERIA AND, AND ADD CRITERIA AND REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDRESSING RESILIENCE AND ADAPTION WHEN CONSIDERING PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION AREAS AS REQUIRED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE IS, IS, UH, WAS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WAS CHANGED AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATIVE CODES WERE CHANGED, THAT RESILIENCE REQUIREMENTS WERE, WERE NOW REQUIRED BY GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND SO ALL THESE, THESE ITEMS WERE REVIEWED BY DEQ STAFF.
UM, AND WE DID MAKE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGE THAT THEY, THAT THEY ASKED US TO MAKE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
AND IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY DEQ STAFF.
SO WE, WE DO HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, AND, AND IN ALL DETAILS WHERE WE HAVE DEFINITIONS AMENDED OR ADDED AND ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS RESILIENCY WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE COMMISSION? IF NOT AT, AT THIS TIME, I'LL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH THREE.
AND IN PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
SEEING NONE, I WILL NOW DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION RELATED TO THIS ORDINANCE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT TO, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF, UM, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH THREE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE RECOMME RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2026 DASH OH OH THREE.
AND I DON'T, UH, HELP ME IF I'M WRONG, DOES THIS HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR FOR APPROVAL? IT, IT DOES, IT DOES FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL, PLEASE.
SO TO APPROVE, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
SECOND, THAT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH THREE BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING A A OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT.
THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
UH, NOW WE'LL JUMP BACK TO THE NEXT ITEM.
UH, OLD BUSINESS, THE DRAFT HP ORDINANCE UPDATE.
ONE, ONE OF, ONE OF THE LAST TIMES WHEN WE MET, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, WE WERE LEFT WITH THE ITEM OF PROTECTIVE MAINTENANCE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND I STATED THAT WOULD BRING SOME, UH, SOME, UH, ORDINANCES, POSSIBLE ORDINANCES TO YOU ALL.
UM, I ASKED THE BOARD OF HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION REVIEW TO REVIEW IT.
FIRST, I GAVE THEM TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.
UM, IT WAS THE TOWN OF SMITHVILLE ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE TOWN OF INDEPENDENCE.
UM, I DID HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK FROM, FROM, FROM THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURE REVIEW, UM, BUT ALSO WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TO, UM, YOU ALL AS WELL TO CONSIDER SOME LANGUAGE FOR PROTECTIVE MAINTENANCE WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND WITH ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE IN ADDING SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE TO OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, NOT THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE BRING BACK TO YOU WOULD BE THE EXACT LANGUAGE, BUT JUST TO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AND, AND DISCUSSION AND, UH, THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT,
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UM, THE BURDEN I THINK THAT YOU, IT WOULD PLACE ON THE POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THOSE WERE SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS.I JUST WANNA REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AS BURDENS THAT BRING ON PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE THESE, THIS IN PLACE, BUT ALSO PART OF THE DISTRICT IS TO PROTECT STRUCTURES.
AND BY DOING THAT, YOU WOULD NEED TO ADD SOME TYPE OF SECTION THERE TO HELP PROTECT THEIR STRUCTURES WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ORDERS IN PLACE TO HELP DO THAT BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A PROTECTIVE MAINTENANCE CODE, UM, WITH, FOR THE, THE COUNTY WHOLE HOLISTICALLY.
BUT WE COULD PUT THAT INTO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDERS AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE COULD DO IT.
UM, THAT WHAT I, THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU NOW IS THE TOWN OF INDEPENDENCE, VIRGINIA.
UM, AND WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT TOO WAS THE TOWN OF SMITHFIELD.
UM, AND SO THIS KIND OF WANTED YOU OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU ALL SAW THAT YOU LIKED FROM THAT.
UH, I, I DO KNOW, AND BEAR IN MIND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PROTECTING THE ROOF, THE, THE, UH, THE FOUNDATION AND WINDOWS AMONGST SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PROTECTING.
BUT THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF STRUCTURE OF HOW THAT MIGHT BE LAID OUT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF, IF I MAY, UM, ONE CAVEAT TO ALL OF THIS IS WE ABSOLUTELY BROUGHT THIS BEFORE YOU TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, BUT ONE THING IS I'M STILL CONDUCTING MY LEGAL REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THESE TWO TOWNS HAVE DONE, THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE SAME AUTHORITY.
SO IN VIRGINIA, CITIES AND TOWNS HAVE CERTAIN ABILITIES, UM, A LOT OF THEM COMING FROM THEIR CHARTERS THAT COUNTIES DO NOT HAVE.
SO I'M JUST DOING JUST A DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT THESE TOWNS HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO, THE COUNTY WOULD ALSO HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I WAS HOPING TO FINISH THAT ANALYSIS BEFORE THIS EVENING.
UH, BUT I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DO THAT.
I LIKE THE, UM, IN SMITHFIELD, I GUESS I LIKE THE, I SAY I LIKE IT, BUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A, IF A STRUCTURE IS IN THE HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN PLACED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY WHEN A, WHEN A HOMEOWNER OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PLACES IT IN THERE, THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP IT UP.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE SMITHFIELD IS THE WAY THEY'VE KIND OF, UM, TAKEN CARE OF.
IT HAS SAID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT TAKEN CARE OF, SO THE REASONABLE COST THEREOF SHALL BE PLACED AS A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY OR IN PROPER HARDSHIP CASE PAID BY THE TOWN FROM A FUND ESTABLISHED FOR SUCH PURPOSE.
YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UM, COOPERATION MAYBE WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR MAYBE SOME OTHER, TO ESTABLISH A FUND.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME CORPORATE PEOPLE OR YOU KNOW, CW OR SOMEBODY ACROSS THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT WANT TO BE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, TO START THAT FUND.
BUT IN, IN THE MEANTIME, I GUESS THE STRUCTURE CAN BE SAVED BY THE, WOULD IT BE THE COUNTY PAYING TO HAVE IT FIXED AND THEN PUTTING A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY? IS THAT THE WAY I'M READING IT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S READ HERE FOR SMITHVILLE, UHHUH
SO THE SMITHVILLE WOULD HAVE IT SUCH THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO, FOR VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.
AND IF THEY DIDN'T GET THAT, GET THE VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO FIX IT, REPAIR IT, BUT ALSO PUT A PLACE, A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR THAT.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU ESSENTIALLY, YOU LOOK TO HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER INVOLVED TO FIX THE SAID PROBLEM FIRST BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING.
LIKE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT STEPS RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT LEVEL.
BUT IDEALLY YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU GIVE THE PROPERTY, ENTER AS MANY AS ANY CHANCES AS POSSIBLE TO FIX THE SITUATION OR THE PROBLEM BEFORE, BEFORE ULTIMATELY DOING THE WORK AND THEN PUTTING A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I GUESS IT, IT NEVER CROSSED MY MIND, I GUESS INDEPENDENCE.
THEY SAY THAT, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? THE TOWN OF INDEPENDENCE? IS THAT WHAT WE JUST TOWN OF INDEPENDENCE? YEAH.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, I GUESS, SO I GUESS IF SOMEBODY BUY, YOU KNOW, GETS A HOUSE AND IT'S IN HISTORICAL AND IT, THEY FIND OUT IT'S A MONEY PIT, SO THEN THEY JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL I'M JUST GONNA LET IT FALL DOWN AROUND THEM.
I, I'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS A, AS A MEANS TO AN END.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T PUT ANY MORE MONEY IN THIS THING BECAUSE IT'S, BUT IF IT'S IN THAT HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, THEY'VE
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GOT TO CORRECT.OR, OR I MEAN THAT YOU KIND OF FEEL BAD FOR, I'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION WHERE YOU PUT MONEY IN AND IT'S LIKE GONE TOO FAR NOW NOT TO, TO FINISH IT OFF.
AND NOW, MS. PERKINS, MS. PERKINS, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH, I GUESS WORKING WITH, UM, WHAT WAS IT WORKING WITH MR. WESTHEIMER ON SOME PRO PROPERTIES? CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THAT? IS IT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT IT JUST KIND OF HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT THE COUNTY GOES THROUGH.
UM, SO THE, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A DERELICT STRUCTURE ORDINANCE.
AND SO THROUGH THAT DERELICT STRUCTURE ORDINANCE, IF A PROPERTY IS DEEMED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO BE DERELICT, UM, WE CAN, UH, GIVE NOTICE TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT THAT PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
AND IF THAT PROPERTY IS NOT DEMOLISHED BY THE OWNER IN A TIMELY MANNER, THEN UH, THE COUNTY CAN STEP IN, DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY, AND THEN, UM, PURSUE A LIEN AGAINST IT.
UH, THE TOWN OF CLAREMONT ALSO HAS A SIMILAR ORDINANCE.
UM, THE EDA ACTUALLY, UH, ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF CLAREMONT TO DEMOLISH ONE PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, TO LOAN THEM THE MONEY TO DEMOLISH ONE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THAT TIME, IT WAS $35,000 TO DEMOLISH THIS ONE PROPERTY.
SO THE, THE PRICE TAG CAN RUN THE GAMUT.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE, IF IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE PARAMETERS OF A DERELICT STRUCTURE, THAT'S, THAT'S AN, AN OPTION THAT'S CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY.
BUT THAT DETERMINATION NEEDS TO BE OFFICIALLY MADE BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IN SURY COUNTY.
THEN WHO WOULD BE THE DETERMINING PERSON AS FAR AS SAYING IT'S SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE? IS IT GONNA BE LIKE JUST BUILDING IT WOULD BE MR. WESTHEIMER WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION MM-HMM
UH, AND WE DON'T GO AROUND CHECKING PROPERTIES OUT AND, AND MAKING THAT DETERMINATION.
BUT IF WE'RE ALERTED TO, TO AN ISSUE WITH A PROPERTY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN THAT PROCESS WOULD START.
SO I, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR, FOR DERELICT STRUCTURES, JUST KIND OF SHOW KIND OF HOW THIS PROCESS, LIKE FOR SMITHFIELD COULD WORK, NOT THIS, NOT IN THE SAME ORDER, BUT AS FAR AS PROVIDING A PROPERTY OWNER NOTICE BEFORE YOU GET TO A PLACE WHERE THE COUNTY DOES SOMETHING.
BUT IT, WE WE'RE ALMOST WORKING IN A, IN A SIT A SITUATION WHERE THE COUNTY WOULD BE FORCED TO FIND A WAY TO PRESERVE IT, BUT THEN PLACE SALINA ON IT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TO, TO CONSIDER FOR YOUR, FOR YOU ALL TO KIND OF MAYBE THINK ON, MAYBE SLEEP ON IT.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON THAT ONE JUST TO BRING SOME THINGS FORWARD TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME THINGS.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO, UM, HAVE OUR LEGAL REVIEW ON THIS PART TOO BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IS THIS, IS THIS EVEN AN OPTION FOR US? SO MM-HMM
UM, JUST SOMETHING TO PONDER ON.
SO, MR. WADE, DO WE NEED IT TO MAKE ANY OFFICIAL ACTION TO TABLE THIS OR HAVE STAFF BRING IT BACK? OR IF, IF YOU'D LIKE US TO, TO KIND OF LOOK AT, LOOK INTO IT LEGALLY AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHICH OPTIONS YOU FEEL IS MAY MADE YOU MIGHT LEAN MORE TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I, I WOULD SAY AT THIS TIME, MAYBE HAVE THEM BOTH ON THE TABLE AT THIS TIME.
DON'T TAKE THEM AWAY YET JUST TO SEE, YOU KNOW, PONDER.
I KNOW I JUST GAVE THIS TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
UM, AS, AS A, AS A COMMISSION.
SO MAYBE HAVE SOME TIME TO TAKE TO SEE WHICH ONE, UM, LOOK AT, LOOK AT BOTH OF 'EM TOGETHER.
BUT DOES THE COMMISSION NEED TO TAKE ANY OFFICIAL ACTION TO HAVE YOU ALL DO THAT? UH, NO.
NOT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE, UM, YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE A MOTION TO INITIATE MM-HMM
UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO EXCEPT FOR THIS PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
SO IF, IF YOU ALL DO TAKE IT HOME, THINK ABOUT IT AND HAVE FEEDBACK, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT TO MR. WADE, THEN WE CAN INCORPORATE, UH, WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO, INTO THE DRAFT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE.
AND THEN, UM, I, I GUESS IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO NOTICE THAT FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOUR AUGUST MEETING, OR IF YOU WOULD PREFER US TO BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND STILL IN DRAFT FORM.
I, I WOULD PREFER YOU BRING BACK IN DRAFT FORM SO WE CAN REVIEW AND HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
WITH THE HISTORICAL REVIEW, WOULD THEY, DO THEY HAVE ANY INPUT NOW OR,
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I MEAN, THEY'VE KIND OF HAD THEIR, LET'S SAY THEY'VE HAD THEIR INPUT, I GUESS I'M THEIR INPUT, RIGHT? YEAH.I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM, IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I I DID SEND, WELL YOU GOT AN EMAIL THAT, THAT I SENT OUT INITIALLY WITH THE, WITH THE TWO TOWNS.
AND SO I, I GOT INPUT BACK FROM ONE, ONE OTHER PERSON ABOUT THE TOWN OF INDEPENDENCE.
I THINK THERE WAS A SIMILAR, I GUESS THOUGHT OF NOT OVERBURDENING A PROPERTY OWNER WITH, WITH, UH, TOO MUCH SO THAT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE, MAYBE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
AND IT, IT WASN'T JUST SAID AT THE BOARD, AT THE BOARD OF HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE REVIEW, IT WAS SAID HERE TOO ABOUT NOT OVERBURDENING PROPERTY OWNERS TOO.
SO, IS IS THERE A WAY TO GET THERE? BUT, UM, I THINK JUST WITH WHAT WE SEE IN LANGUAGE HERE IS, UM, PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COMPLY VOLUNTARILY BEFORE THERE IS THERE ARE ANY PENALTIES OR ANY, OR ANY, ANY LIENS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, I THINK MAKING SURE THERE'S LANGUAGE TO SUPPORT THE PROPERTY OWNER WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING THE, THE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
SO I THINK, I THINK, SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEY'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD FIND IT BENEFICIAL FOR US TO TRY AND SCHEDULE A MEETING OF THE, UH, BOARD OF HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL.
SO JUST PROVIDE US WITH THAT GUIDANCE.
IS IT, IS IT EVEN, COULD YOU KILL TWO BIRDS IN ONE STONE AND INVITE THEM TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING? WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE A JOINT MEETING.
I ABSOLUTELY MEAN IT'S ONLY THREE OR FOUR MEMBERS SUGGESTION.
WOULD THAT BE OKAY? AND, AND YOU GET DOUBLE YOUR MONEY FOR ME
THANK YOU MR. WADE AND MS. PERKINS, ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, WE'LL WAIT FOR YOUR, UH, REVIEW AND, AND FEEDBACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, ANY PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES SEEING NO PUBLIC COMING TO SPEAK.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMITTEE UPDATES.
MR. WADE, ANY OTHER COMMITTEE UPDATES? I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN A FEW, BUT ANY OTHER COMMITTEE UPDATES OR PC UPDATES? I, I THINK THAT'S, WE'VE CO RECOVERED QUITE A BIT.
I THINK OUR COMMITTEES HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN AT WORK.
THEIR, THEIR PART, THEY'RE BRINGING EVERYTHING BEFORE AN ORDINANCE AND AT THIS POINT, THEY'LL BE HEADED TO BOARD SUPERVISORS, I BELIEVE, AT THEIR MOST LIKELY AT THEIR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
ANY OTHER PC UPDATES? UM, I, I DO KNOW THAT WE, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS, WE WILL BE WORKING TOWARDS OTHER AMENDMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR PHASE ONE APPROACH FOR, UH, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND, AND ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATES.
SO KEEP IN MIND THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DEFINITELY REQUIRES TO DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, FROM LA FROM LAST TIME.
BUT THERE'S ALSO, UH, SOME OTHER UPDATES THAT WE'D HAVE TO ADDRESS, POSSIBLY A ADDITIONAL SOLAR ORDINANCE UPDATES, UM, AS WELL AS SOME, UH, HOUSING, UH, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UPDATES FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
THIS FROM THIS PAST, UH, JULY.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY LOTS OF WORK FOR YOU ALL, UM, TO, TO, TO GET BUSY WITH.
SO WE'LL BE BRINGING SOME, SOME UPDATES TOWARD, UH, UPDATES TOWARD, TO YOU ALL.
UM, AND MOST LIKELY BE ASKING FOR SOME MOTIONS TO, TO INITIATE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THAT TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN UNTIL OUR AUGUST 24TH, 2026 MEETING.
SO, NO, MR. TRAVIS, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
A EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT EVENING.