* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Call to Order / Moment of Silence / Pledge of Allegiance/ Agenda Adoption ] [00:00:03] I'D LIKE TO SAY GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE. EVENING, AND WELCOME TO OUR SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR MEETING, WE'LL HAVE OUR INVOCATION BY REVEREND DOUGLAS CHARITY OF FERGUSON GROVE BAPTIST CHURCH. WOULD YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, LET US BOW HEADS OF PRAYER. GRACIOUS, ETERNAL GOD, OUR FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TO THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER BLESSED DAY TH HAVE MADE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND JOIN WITH THE SUR COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING. FOR ANY MEETING, DEAR GOD IS REALLY BE REMISS WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF YOUR HOLY SPIRIT. SO WE INVO HIS PRESENCE, HIS WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, AND UNDERSTANDING TO ROOT AND SUPER ROOT UPON THESE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD THAT THEY MAKE DECISIONS RIGHT AND PLEASING YOUR SIGHT AND WHAT'S BEST FOR US AS A COMMUNITY. WE, YOU NOW HOLY SPIRIT, FOR ALL THAT HELP CAME ASSEMBLE TONIGHT TO JOIN IN WITH THEM IN HIS SPECIAL OCCASION. IN JESUS' NAME. MAY WE GO WITH PROGRESS AND MAY WE REST IN PEACE AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY AND WE THANK YOU HOLY SPIRIT AND THE ANGELS I ENCOUNTER ABOUT US TONIGHT. AMEN AND AMEN. THANK YOU FOR THAT REVEREND CHARITY. I NOW CALL THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING TO ORDER. I WILL NOW ASK IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE PAUSE FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE. THANK YOU. I'LL NOW ASK IF EVERYONE COULD RISE TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, LIFE OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, OR WHICH SAYINGS MY NATION OR AMONG GOD IN THE VISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BY RESOLUTION ADOPTED ON MARCH 7TH, 2024 IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 8 0.3. BOARD MEMBERS ARE PERMITTED TO PARTICIPATE IN MEETINGS FROM A REMOTE LOCATION AND CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE MET. A REQUEST WA WAS RECEIVED FROM SUPERVISOR DREW TO PARTICIPATE IN TONIGHT'S MEETING ELECTRONICALLY DUE TO A PERSONAL MATTER WHICH PREVENTS HIS ATTENDANCE. SPECIFICALLY, MR. DREW IS IN NORFOLK FOR A COMMITMENT TO NORFOLK STATE UNIVERSITY. THERE BEING A QUORUM PHYSICAL PRESENT AT THIS TIME. I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO ALLOW ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION BY MR. DREW IN TONIGHT'S MEETING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BOARD'S POLICY. SO MOVED. MR. CHAIR. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. HAS IT BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ELLIOT? SECOND BY VICE CHAIR HARDY THAT WE APPROVE. UM, MR. DREW'S REQUEST, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAY, MOTION? HEARING NONE. WE'LL NOW VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF SAY A MOTION SIGNIFY YOUR VOTE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ATTORNEY PERKINS. MR. DREW ARE CAN YOU MIC CHECK. CAN YOU HEAR US? MR. DREW? ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR US? UH, YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT MS ASSISTANCE. MS. PERKINS, NOW BOARD MEMBERS, AGAIN, YOU HAVE YOUR AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU. I HOPE YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW YOUR AGENDA. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAID AGENDA? HEARING NONE. I'LL NOW ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA. I MOVE. THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SUPERVISOR SEWARD, SECOND BY VICE CHAIR HARDY, THAT WE ADOPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAID MOTION? HEARING NONE WILL NOW VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF SAID MOTION. SIGNIFY YOUR VOTE BY SAYING AYE. A. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? AYE. THOSE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT. MOTION PASSES. I WOULD NOW ASK MS. FAULK IF SHE COULD DO OUR ROLL CALL [00:05:02] SUPERVISOR HARDY. PRESENT. SUPERVISOR ELLIOT. PRESENT. SUPERVISOR SEWARD. PRESENT. SUPERVI SUPERVISOR PIERCE. PRESENT. SUPERVISOR. DREW. PRESENT. THAT'S YOUR ROLL CALL, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU MS. PAUL ON OUR AGENDA. NEXT, NEXT. ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, [Public Comments ] BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I HOPE EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS EVENING AS WELL. SO I ASK THAT EVERYONE WHO PLANS ON MAKING A PUBLIC COMMENT ADHERE TO OUR POLICY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT IS PERTAINING TO COUNTY BUSINESS, UH, NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. AND PLEASE LET BE RESPECTFUL. IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, UH, PERTAINING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, I'LL ASK THAT YOU JUST PLEASE HOLD THAT COMMENT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE, IF YOU COULD PLEASE SILENCE AND PUT YOUR PHONES ON SILENT OR VIBRATE. THANK YOU. OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT THIS EVENING WILL COME FROM MS. HELEN ESSON. I'LL ASK IF YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM IF YOU, UH, COULD GIVE YOUR NAME, YOUR DISTRICT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. I PUBLIC. UM, PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, NEXT ONE I'LL PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE HAVE MS. BARBARA JONES. OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT ONE, OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE MS. JANICE PIERCE. I'LL ASK IF YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MR. STEWART, IF YOU MIND BEING MY TIMEKEEPER THIS EVENING? I WILL. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JANICE PIERCE. I'M, UM, BACON CASTLE. UM, I LIVE IN THE BACON CASTLE DISTRICT. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR, TO SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB TO THE CHAIRMAN AND MY, UM, SUPERVISOR, MR. HARDY. AGAIN, MY NAME IS JANICE PIERCE. I'M WITH THE BACON CASTLE DISTRICT AND I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS. I AM A 72-YEAR-OLD WOMAN. I TURNED 72 LAST WEEK AND I, UM, CONSTANTLY, I WALKED FOR YEARS. I'VE WALKED AROUND THE GOVERNMENT CENTER AROUND THE BUILDING AND I WALK AT FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING. AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE I AM AN OLDER WOMAN AND I DO THIS BASICALLY SOMETIMES BY MY, MOSTLY SOMETIMES BY MYSELF. AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY'RE WITH ME. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WITH ME, BUT MOSTLY I'M DOING IT FIVE 30 IN. EVERYBODY KNOWS FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING. IT'S PRETTY DARK. UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN WALKING, I'VE ENCOUNTERED PEOPLE PASSING ME TURN AROUND AND COME BACK SUSPICIOUS THAT I THINK WILL COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, JUST COME BACK AND I GUESS 'CAUSE THEY SEE ME OUT THERE BY MYSELF. I'VE ALSO, UM, WALKED, I'VE BEEN CHASED BY DOGS AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE SEEN ME OUT THERE. I WALK WITH A STICK BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN CHASED BY DOGS. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'VE ALSO, AS I'M WALKING FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING AND I I'VE BEEN, I'VE ENCOUNTERED A BEAR. AND I GUESS PEOPLE WONDER WHY AM I OUT THERE WALKING THAT TIME OF MORNING BECAUSE THAT SUITS MY SCHEDULE, THAT IF I'M WORKING PART-TIME OR WHATEVER I'M DOING, IT SUITS ME. AND BESIDES IT GIVES ME MY DAY. SO WHAT I'M SAYING, I GUESS I COULD WAIT TILL MY COMMENTS FOR THE HEARING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL CAN DO TO HELP, THE WHY WILL BE A GOOD THING FOR, AND I'M MAYBE OUTTA ORDER RIGHT NOW SPEAKING FOR ME BECAUSE I, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO OUT OF THIS COUNTY. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO TO SMITHFIELD WILLIAMSBURG OR OTHER PLACES. I'VE TRIED IT AND IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT. OKAY. AND, UM, SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO ME IF WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING HERE FOR US AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE OLDER PEOPLE. AND YES, WE DO LIKE TO GET UP EARLY AND DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO ME. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MS. PIERCE. HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY, . NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, I HAVE MR. DANIEL SHAY, IF ASKED, IF YOU COULD PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND A REMINDER, UH, YMCA, UH, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING PERTAINING TO OUR YMCA. SO, UH, IF YOU ALL COULD PLEASE [00:10:01] HOLD OFF ON YOUR COMMENTS FOR THE Y UH, TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT, MR. SHEA. ALRIGHT, DR. DANIEL, SHE SIRI DISTRICT. AND, UH, VERY LOVELY COMMENTS BY MS. PIERCE. BY THE WAY, GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH, BUT, UH, IF YOU EVER NEED A WALKING BUDDY ON OCCASION, I CAN GET UP EARLY TO WALK WITH YOU, PROTECT YOU FROM BEARS. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANNA RAISE SOMETHING THAT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY POLITICAL DISAGREEMENT. A CITIZEN RECENTLY PUBLISHED A LETTER TO THE EDITOR IN THE SMITHFIELD TIMES, AND I BELIEVE THAT CITIZEN CROSSED A LINE OF CIVILITY IN HIS COMMENTS. I THOUGHT THEY WERE OFFENSIVE TO MR. DREW SPECIFICALLY, BUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTS HIS RIGHT TO MAKE CONTROVERSIAL OR EVEN OFFENSIVE STATEMENTS. SUPERVISOR DREW REPOSTED A LETTER ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH IS ALSO HIS RIGHT. BUT ONE OF THE BOARD MAJOR'S VOCAL SUPPORTERS, RESPONDED BY CALLING THE AUTHOR A QUOTE, WORTHLESS, SICK, P BRAIN RETARDED MAG, AND THEN ADDED, LET US HANDLE HIM FOR YOU. ANOTHER POST. HEY CAM, SHOOT ME THEIR NAME. THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY ON IT. THAT'S NOT POLITICAL DISAGREEMENT, THAT'S NOT HEALTHY. MR. SHAKE? YES. REAL QUICK, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU YEAH. UH, HOW IS THIS PERTAINING TO OUR BUSINESS FOR TONIGHT? YOU COMMENT THE BUSINESS OF SURREY COUNTY. YES. I PRESENT TO YOU THE SURREY COUNTY CODE OF ETHICS, WHICH IS, IS THE HEART OF THE BUSINESS OF SURREY COUNTY. WHAT THE BUILDINGS WE BUILD ARE SECONDARY TO THE CULTURE WE BUILD. SO WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE RESPONSE OR LACK OF RESPONSE FROM ELECTED LEADERSHIP SUPERVISOR. DREW APPARENTLY LOVED THE LET US HANDLE THEM FOR YOU COMMENT. AND I'VE SEEN NO PUBLIC REPUDIATION OF IT. AND I'M NOT ASKING THIS BOARD TO POLICE EVERY COMMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. UM, I'M ASKING WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE. OUR OWN CODE OF ETHICS SAYS THE PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL CONDUCT OF BOARD MEMBERS MUST BE A ABOVE REPROACH AND EVEN AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THAT IN OUR, IN THE DOCUMENT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, IT CALLS FOR AN ATMOSPHERE OF RESPECT AND CIVILITY AND SAYS, MEMBERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM ABUSIVE CONDUCT AND VERBAL ATTACKS UPON THE CHARACTER OR MOTIVES OF THE PUBLIC. AND IF OUR OWN DOCUMENTS, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT THOSE, THE PASTOR OPEN TONIGHT SAID, LET US BEHAVE IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER THAT'S HONORABLE BEFORE HIM. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT. THANK YOU. THE CODE SAYS THE CHAIRMAN HAS AN ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO INTERVENE WHEN CONDUCT THAT APPEARS TO VIOLATE THE CODE IS BROUGHT TO HIS ATTENTION. NOT AN OPTION. THE CODE SAYS IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY. WE CAN'T HAVE ONE STANDARD FOR PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE AND ANOTHER FOR PEOPLE WE DISAGREE WITH. EVEN IF THIS GENTLEMAN IS, QUOTE UNQUOTE ON MY SIDE, HE CROSSED A LINE. I'M GONNA CALL HIM OUT. I THINK BOARD MEMBERS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE SAME WITH ONE STANDARD FOR ALL OF US. NO THREATS, NO INTIMIDATION, NO CHARACTER ATTACKS, AND NO SILENCE WHEN THEY OCCUR. I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. LEADERSHIP HAS TO DRAW A LINE SOMEWHERE. I HOPE THAT LINE'S HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT MR. SHAY. NEXT WE HAVE MS. JUDY LITTLE I'LL ASK OH, THE THE WHY. OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . DR. PIERCE. ALRIGHT. I ASK YOU TO PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHARLON PIERCE. I'M FROM THE, UM, BEACONS COUNCIL DISTRICT. AND AS MY SISTER IN LOVE SAID, UH, WE ARE PROUD PRE PERSONS UNDER MR. HARDY'S, UH, LEADERSHIP. AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, I'M HERE TONIGHT, THE COP ON A SIMILAR, THE SAME SITUATION THAT WAS RECENTLY COMMENTED ON. I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT I AM A TRAINER AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRAIN ON IS SOMETHING CALLED DIFFUSING DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT BY THE CITIZEN WAS ONE OF SUCH THAT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE. AND THAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT THE FIRST THING IN THE CHAIN FOR THAT IS THAT YOU IGNORE THE BEHAVIOR. BECAUSE RESEARCH SAYS THAT PEOPLE DO THINGS LIKE THAT FOR TWO REASONS. NUMBER ONE IS THEY DO IT TO EITHER GAIN, TO GAIN ATTENTION. THINK ABOUT A BABY CRYING GRANDPA MORE WE PICK UP THE BABY WHEN THE BABY CRIES. GRANDPA, THE BABY IS GONNA CRY. SO WE CAN DO WHAT? PICK THEM UP. THE SECOND THING THAT PEOPLE TRY TO DO IS AVOID SOMETHING. I BELIEVE THAT IN THE SITUATIONS THAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED PARTICULARLY BY THE FIRST PERSON THAT DID IT, I UNDERSTAND IT'S HARD TO IGNORE IT WHEN IT HIT HITS YOU HOME, IS TO IGNORE THE BEHAVIOR. IF YOU AS A BOARD MEMBER CAN STILL ACT IN YOUR CAPACITY AS A BOARD MEMBER, IF YOU CAN STILL SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY AS A BOARD MEMBER, IF YOU CAN [00:15:01] STILL BE SAFE IN THIS SITUATION AS A BOARD MEMBER, I WOULD ADMONISH YOU TO PROBABLY ALL OF YOU TO IGNORE THOSE COMMENTS. DON'T RESPOND. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SEEKING ATTENTION, THEY WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY. WHAT GETS ACKNOWLEDGED WE SAY GETS REPEATED. THE MORE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR, THE NEGATIVE AND BAD BEHAVIOR, THE MORE THAT BEHAVIOR IS GONNA BE REPEATED BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING THE ATTENTION THAT YOU WANT. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THAT MS. PERRY. NEXT WE HAVE, IS IT EUGENE? UH, I CAN'T SEE MY HANDWRITING. EUGENE. UM, MIL MILAM. MILBURN. MILBURN. I'M SORRY. EUGENE. MILFORD. THANK YOU. I'LL ASK IF, UH, YOU COULD PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND MR. EUGENE, BEFORE YOU COME, I SEE YOU HAVE UP HERE. YMCA. IS THIS DYLAN? PARDON? EXCUSE ME. HOW YOU DOING THIS EVENING? HOW, HOW AM I DOING? YES, SIR. I, I HAVE TO ALWAYS ASK MY WIFE . HONESTLY, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT SHE SAYS. I LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S FINE, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MATTER THAT WAY. LOOK, MR. EUGENE, BEFORE YOU START, UH, I JUST WANT TO, UH, JUST REMIND YOU IF YOU, YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT IS PERTAINING TO THE YMCA. WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, DISCUSSING THE YMCA MATTER. UM, IS YOUR COMMENT PERTAINING TO THE YMCA? YEAH, IT DOES. ALRIGHT. IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU COULD WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE I'LL CALL. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FAR. YOU CAN SIT RIGHT HERE IF YOU WANT TO. , I LEFT MY KEYS AND PHONE BACK THERE. I BETTER WALK. , I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. . SORRY. ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT THAT ARE NOT PERTAINING TO THE YMCA? YES, YOU CAN COME UP. I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I DIDN'T REALIZE Y'ALL WERE HAVING, SORRY. UM, SUSAN CORELLO, UH, CLAREMONT DISTRICT, UM, I WANTED TO THANK MR. HARRISON. I HAD SENT AN EMAIL OUT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO IN REFERENCE TO CLARIFICATION ON THE STABILIZATION FUND. AND HE WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND REPEAT AND GIVING THE INFORMATION ON, ON THAT. UM, I HAD SINCE SENT TWO EMAILS, UM, ONE MID-AUGUST ON SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE YMCA SO THAT I COULD PREPARE MYSELF FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. 'CAUSE I WANTED TO VERIFY INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT. THE LITTLE BIT THAT WE DO GET. I JUST WANTED TO GO INTO DETAIL MORE, AND I HADN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE BACK YET. SO I'M ASKING, UM, HE'S NOT HERE, BUT I'M ASKING IF I COULD GET A RESPONSE, UM, FROM SOMEBODY IN REFERENCE TO THAT AUGUST 19TH EMAIL FOR CLARIFICATION ON SOME YMCA AND CIP INFORMATION. UM, AND THEN I ALSO SENT AN EMAIL, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS, WHICH I THINK IS WONDERFUL THAT THE COUNTY HAS RECEIVED THOSE. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK IT UP AS TO WHAT THOSE GRANTS WERE USED FOR, UM, I'M SEEING THE SCHOOL INFRASTRUCTURE, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK BETWEEN THE SCHOOL, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ON EACH OF THOSE GRANTS. WELL, WHILE REVIEWING THOSE, I CAME ACROSS ANOTHER ONE THAT APPARENTLY, I GUESS IS IN THE WORKS. SO I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY THE CHECK THAT WAS PRESENTED IN AUGUST. IF THAT WAS FROM THE GRANT IN MARCH, WHICH IN HINDSIGHT YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE, BUT THEN WHEN I WAS ONLINE AND FOUND THIS OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT THAT PERTAINED TO WATER SUPPLY TO THE YMCA FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, IT MADE ME WONDER, OKAY, IS THIS ANOTHER PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE TOTAL COST? ARE WE, LIKE, WHERE'S THE WATER COMING FROM? I KNOW THAT PART IS PART OF THE WHY, BUT IT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ALSO. SO THOSE TWO EMAILS I WAS TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON SO THAT I COULD PREPARE MYSELF FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND BACK TO THEM. I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE TOO LATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THAT WAY I GET FIRSTHAND INFORMATION INSTEAD OF ALL THE HEARSAY THAT'S TALKED ABOUT. [00:20:01] AND THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS NOW CLOSED. NEXT IN OUR AGENDA [Public Hearing ] BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL NOW TURN THE MEETING OVER TO ATTORNEY PERKINS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UM, SO BEFORE US THIS EVENING IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UM, PROPOSED LEASE TO THE YMCA OF A PARCEL OF LAND THAT IS LOCATED OVER BY THE CURRENT EXISTING PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING. UM, A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED BECAUSE A LEASE OF PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED A DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED UNDER VIRGINIA CODE. UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UH, WALK THROUGH A SUMMARY OF SOME KEY PROVISIONS IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT. IT'S, IT'S THREE PAGES, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE THIS QUICK AND PAINLESS AS POSSIBLE. UH, AND THEN, UH, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. WE ALSO HAVE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE YMCA THAT ARE HERE, UM, TO ALSO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION, UH, THAT YOU ALL WOULD REQUIRE FOR THIS PURPOSE. SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE LEASE. UH, YOU MAY HAVE ALSO NOTICED THAT PART OF THE LEASE IS ALSO A LICENSE OF SOME, UH, LICENSE FOR USE, A NON-EXCLUSIVE USE. THE LICENSE IS NOT CONSIDERED A DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, AND THEREFORE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF ALL, WE KIND OF GROUP THEM TOGETHER AND IT'S ALL PART OF ONE RESOLUTION. AND THAT IS THE ACTION ITEM THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD REQUEST FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOWING. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. SO, UH, IT'S THE LEASE OF COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY TO THE YOUNG MEN'S CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION OF THE VIRGINIA PENINSULAS. AND THAT IS WHAT WE KNOW AS THE Y-M-C-A-Y-M-C-A IS A 5 0 1 C3 NONPROFIT CORPORATION. UM, ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE, THAT THE GROUND LEASE AND LICENSE AGREEMENT, THE PROVISIONS GO HAND IN HAND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS AGREEMENT, UH, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD BACK IN JULY OF 2025. IT DOES NOT SUPERSEDE AGAIN, THE PROVISIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS AGREEMENT ARE STILL IN EFFECT. AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE COVERED BY THAT AGREEMENT THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THE LEASE AGREEMENT. BUT THERE IS IN FACT SOME OVERLAP AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME, UM, SOME REFERENCES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS AGREEMENT IN, IN THE GROUND LEASE. UH, THE OTHER GENERAL COMMENT I WILL MAKE IS THAT, UM, WE ARE STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE YMCA. WE ARE 98% THERE. UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL SEE IN THE, IN THE RESOLUTION WE'RE ASKING YOU TO, UH, STAFF IS ASKING YOU TO ADOPT THIS EVENING, IS THAT YOU EMPOWER THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, TO WRAP UP THE NEGOTIATIONS, UM, WITH THE CONSENT OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY MYSELF, UM, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS LEGALLY COMPLIANT. UH, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE LIKE MAYBE 98.5% THERE. UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO EVERYONE BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE DETAILS. SO LET'S START WITH THE PROPERTY DETAILS. AS I STATED EARLIER, THIS IS A PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S OVER BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION, THE EXISTING PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITY. UM, IT IS TAX PARCEL 27 DASH 32 B, AND, UH, IT IS 11.7 ACRES. AND THE ADDRESS FOR THAT PROPERTY IS FIVE ENOS FARM DRIVE. UM, IT IS IT, THE LARGER PARCEL THAT WAS THERE HA, HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED. THAT SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN RECORDED IN THE LAND RECORDS OF SURREY COUNTY, AND IT HAS, UH, WHAT THAT SUBDIVISION HAS DONE IS IT HAS CREATED FOUR PARCELS. UM, SO THE, THE ZONING OF, AND LET ME, SO THE FOUR PARCELS ARE, WE'VE GOT THE PARCEL IN FRONT, WHICH IS A, AND I WISH I HAD THE, I WISH I HAD THE PLAT UP TO SHOW YOU ALL. BUT, UM, I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE A COPY IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. UH, THE PARCEL UP FRONT WHERE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS, THAT IS NOW, UH, PARCEL A. THEN PARCEL B IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING BE LEASED TO THE YMCA. PARCEL. C IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING AS WELL AS THE, THE ENOS HOUSE AND THEN THE ORIGINAL PARCEL NUMBER, THE, UH, 27 DASH 32. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE REMAINDER. EVERY, EVERYTHING ELSE OF THAT PARCEL, UH, THAT, UH, THE PARCEL IN [00:25:01] ITS TOTALITY IS ABOUT 107 ACRES, GIVE, GIVE OR TAKE. SO WE ARE DEALING WITH A, A LARGE, UH, CHUNK OF LAND. SO LET'S TALK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT THE ENOS HOUSE, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS A CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BY CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY. SO THE ENOS HOUSE, AGAIN, AS I JUST STATED, IS LOCATED ON THE, THE, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL LARGER PARCEL. UM, IT IS NOW, UH, ITS OWN INDEPENDENT PARCEL ALONG WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITY. IT IS 27 DASH 32 C. UM, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE DETAILED THAN YOU WANT, BUT I'D RATHER GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION THAN LESS INFORMATION. THAT IS A HISTORIC PROPERTY. IT WAS DE DESIGNATED BACK IN, UM, 19 76, 19 77 AS A HISTORIC PROPERTY. THAT DESIGNATION WAS DONE BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, IT ALSO HAS FEDERAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UM, AGAIN, THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO MAKE THAT PARCEL MAKE WHERE ENOS HOUSE IS ITS OWN INDEPENDENT PARCEL. THAT PARCEL IS ZONED. IT HAS A DESIGNATION, A HISTORIC OVERLAY DESIGNATION, WHICH IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. THE PARCEL THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO LEASE TO THE YMCA IS ZONED AR THE OTHER PARCELS ARE ZONED AR THE ONLY PARCEL THAT IS ZONED HISTORIC OVERLAY IS THE PARCEL THAT IS NOW KNOWN AS SEA, WHERE ENOS HOUSE IS AND ALSO OUR, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING. NOW, HOW DID WE FIGURE THAT OUT? HOW DID WE FIGURE OUT THOSE CALCULATIONS? UM, WE ACTUALLY MADE A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, AND THEY WERE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL IN PROVIDING US WITH ALL OF THEIR BACKGROUND, UH, ON THE ENOS HOUSE AND WHEN THAT DESIGNATION WAS RECEIVED. UM, AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S FASCINATING READING. IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE A COPY, I'M HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU. UM, OR CITIZENS CAN MAKE A FOIA REQUEST OF ME, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO THAT. UM, SO THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE PARCEL THAT IS NOW KNOWN AS C WHERE ENOS HOUSE IS, IS REFLECTIVE OF THE COORDINATES THAT WERE PART OF THE PAPERWORK THAT I REVIEWED. UH, PART OF THE FINAL DESIGNATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC, DHR, THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES. SO ORIGINALLY WHEN THE COUNTY FIRST MADE THE APPLICATION, THEY MADE THE APPLICATION TO HAVE THE ENTIRETY OF THE 107 ACRES DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC. THAT APPLICATION WAS MODIFIED, MODIFIED AT THE REQUEST OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES TO MAKE THE DESIGNATION ONLY BE THE ENOS HOUSE. AND THE, THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREAS, WHICH GIVE OR TAKE ACCORDING, ACCORDING TO THE PAPERWORK, UH, BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC REESE'S RESOURCES, THAT AMENDMENT WAS DOWN TO 10 ACRES. SO THAT IS WHY, UH, AND THE COORDINATES WERE ACTUALLY PLACED IN THE PAPERWORK. SO WHEN WE HAD THE PROPERTY SURVEYED IN ORDER TO DO THE SUBDIVISION PLAT, WE ACTUALLY HAD OUR SURVEYORS USE THOSE COORDINATES. SO THAT IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH WHAT PARCEL 27 DASH 32 C IS. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE I AM WITH 100% LEGAL CERTAINTY SURE THAT THE ENTIRE 107 ACRES AND THE PROPERTY THAT IS PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT TO THE YMCA IS NOT ELIGIBLE, IS NOT PART OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY. AND OUR GIS NOW REFLECTS THAT ACCURACY AS WELL AS THE SUBDIVISION PLATS THAT, AS I STATED EARLIER, ARE RECORDED IN THE LAND RECORDS. OKAY, SO MOVING, MOVING BACK ONTO TO THE LEASE. SO THE USE, UM, AS SPELLED OUT IN THE LEASE, IS THE YMCA SHALL OPERATE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE, THE PROJECT AS A-Y-M-C-A FACILITY FOR RECREATION, HEALTH AND WELLNESS, UH, YOUTH SENIOR AND FAMILY PROGRAMMING. THE YMCA IS, IS TO, UH, RUN HEALTHCARE RELATED PROGRAMS TO BE OFFERED IN CONJUNCTION WITH AREA HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS. UM, AND PART OF THIS LEASE AGREEMENT IS THAT THE YMCA WILL PERFORM SERVICES FOR WHAT ARE NOW PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING. AND AGAIN, THAT'S MORE FULLY SET FORTH IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FROM FROM LAST YEAR. UH, THERE'S ALSO, AS I REFERENCED EARLY, EARLIER, A NON-EXCLUSIVE LICENSE THAT WE ARE AT REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD GRANT TO THE YMCA TO USE THE EXISTING FIELDS AND GREEN [00:30:01] SPACE ON SURROUNDING PARCELS. AND THAT WOULD BE PARCELS 27 DASH 32 AND 27 DASH 32 C. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE HISTORIC PARCEL. BUT AGAIN, THOSE FIELDS AND GREEN SPACE ARE EXISTING, THERE'S NO, NO CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING ON THOSE, ON THOSE PARCELS. ON THAT HISTORIC PARCEL, THE TERM OF THE LEASE IS FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF 35 YEARS WITH THE OPTION TO EXTEND FOR TWO SUCCESSIVE 10 YEAR TERMS. SO THAT, UH, CREATES A POTENTIAL TOTAL OF 55 YEARS. THERE IS, FOR THE RENEWAL TERMS, THERE IS AN AUTOMATIC EXTENSION UNLESS 90 DAYS IS PROVIDED BY EITHER PARTY UNDER THE LEASE. UM, OBLIGATIONS OF THE YMCA, THE YMCA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL, AGAIN, ALL COSTS OF OPERATING AND MAINTAINING THE PREMISES AND THE PROJECT AREA, WHICH INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO THE PAYMENT OF TAXES. I WILL NOTE THAT S OF 5 0 1 C3, THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM PROPERTY TAXES, BUT IF ANY OTHER TYPES OF TAXES, UM, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE, UH, UTILITY PAYMENTS, INSURANCE, MAINTENANCE, REPAIR, CLEANING, AND REPLACEMENT OF BOTH THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR OF THE PREMISES. AND THAT MAINTENANCE INCLUDES LAWN MAINTENANCE, PARKING LOTS, SIGNAGE, SIDEWALKS, EXTERIOR SEATING PONDS, UM, BMPS AND STORMWATER FEATURES AND PLAYGROUNDS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT JUST LOLA'S INTERPRETATION. THIS IS ACTUALLY SPELLED OUT IN THE LEASE. ALL LANDSCAPING, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS. UH, THE YMCA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE AT THEIR SOLE EXPENSE, AND THEY ARE DIRECTLY TO PAY ALL SERVICE PROVIDERS. SO THE COUNTY IS NOT THE, THE MIDDLE PERSON IN THOSE TRANSACTIONS. THE YMCA HANDLES ALL OF THAT. UM, SO THE, THE YMCA, BECAUSE IT'S A LEASE AGREEMENT, THE YMCA WILL PAY THE COUNTY $120 A YEAR IN RENT. THE STANDARD, THE LEASE HAS THE, OUR STANDARD INDEMNIFICATION PROVISIONS, UH, FOR, FOR THE COUNTY. SO THE Y IS INDEMNIFYING THE COUNTY AND HOLDING THEM HARMLESS IN CASE THERE ARE ANY CLAIMS THAT ARISE FROM THIRD PARTIES. UM, AGAIN, ARISING OUT OF ACT ACTIONS OF THE YMCA. AND THERE, THERE ARE SOME STANDARD LIMIT LIMITATIONS IN THAT, UH, THERE IS A DEFAULT PROVISION SO THAT IF THE Y FAILS TO PERFORM THE, THE, THE INTENDED PURPOSE OF THE LEASE, UH, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE RECOURSE UNDER THE LEASE AGREEMENT. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OBLIGATIONS OF THE COUNTY UNDER THE LEASE AGREEMENT. UM, THE LEASE CONFIRMS THE COMMITMENT THAT WAS MADE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATION AGREEMENT. UH, AND AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, THEY GO HAND IN HAND. THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS AGREEMENT IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL. UH, SO IT CONFIRMS THE COMMITMENT FOR THE COUNTY TO PAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WILL SEE AS PART OF THE RESOLUTION, UM, THAT WE ARE, WE, WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF TONIGHT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, WHICH IS, UM, $22,344,722. THAT THAT IS CONSTRUCTION COSTS. YOU HAVE AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA, A LETTER FROM THE YMCA THAT OUTLINES THOSE, THOSE COSTS AND ALSO ENUMERATES THE, THE, THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS, UM, AND PRE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS, ARCHITECTURE ENGINEERING. THOSE WERE THINGS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD AGAIN LAST YEAR AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCE AGREEMENT. AND AS PART, AND, AND I BELIEVE IN JANUARY WHEN THE YMCA CAME BEFORE THE BOARD ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF GUERNSEY TINGLE AS THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AND WM JORDAN AS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM. THE THE COUNTY ALSO HAS AN OBLIGATION, AND THIS WAS SET OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF FINANCE AGREEMENT, BUT IT IS CARRIED FORTH IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT, UH, FOR, TO TO PAY A SUBSIDY TO THE YMCA OF $400,000 PER YEAR, UM, WITH, WITH INFLATION. AND THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET FOR THE 25 26, UM, FISCAL YEAR. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT IS, THAT WAS SET OUT, THAT COMMITMENT WAS SET OUT UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS AGREEMENT AND IS, UM, IS CARRIED FORTH AND INCLUDED IN THIS LEASE AGREEMENT. UH, BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE SOME, SOME TWEAKS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS AGREEMENT AS TO, AS TO THE, THE TURNAROUND FOR PAYMENT UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS AGREEMENT. AND, UM, UP UNTIL CONSTRUCTION, THE YMCA [00:35:01] HAS BEEN FRONTING THE MONEY FOR THE CONTRACTORS AND FOR EXPENSES. UH, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO THE CONSTRUCTION STAGE, UH, THE YMCA IS GONNA BE FORWARDING THOSE BILLS TO THE COUNTY, AND THEN THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE MAKING DIRECT PAYMENT OF THAT. UM, THE, THE LEASE HAS A TERMINATION PROVISION. SO THE TERMINATION OPTIONS ARE EITHER THROUGH WRITTEN AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES, EITHER THE TERM EXPIRES. AGAIN, THAT INITIAL IS 35 AND TWO 10 YEARS. UH, RENEWAL OPTIONS. UM, IF THE YMCA DEFAULTS UNDER THE TERMS OF THE LEASE, WE PROVIDE THEM WITH A 30 DAY CURE PERIOD. IF, IF THAT, IF THE ISSUE IS NOT CURED IN 30 DAYS AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT EXTEND THE CURE PERIOD, THEN THAT WOULD BE, UH, GROUNDS FOR TERMINATION. UM, AND IN THE EVENT OF TERMINATION, THE 400,000 THAT WAS PAID FOR THE OPERATION OF PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS, UH, THE Y KEEPS A PRORATED PORTION BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DAYS. SO IF THEY GET THE $400,000 ON JULY 1ST, 2027 AND THE LEASE IS TERMINATED ON, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 1ST, THEN WE'LL CALCULATE THOSE DATES AND, UH, WHATEVER, WHATEVER PORTION, UH, HAS NOT BEEN UTILIZED, UM, IS RETURNED TO THE COUNTY. AND THAT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IS, IS MY SUMMARY. AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. UM, AS YOU SEE, IT'S A, IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT. I TRIED TO, TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS. UH, AND OUR FRIENDS FROM THE Y ARE HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MS. PERKINS. UM, YOU DID A GREAT JOB HIGHLIGHTING THOSE POINTS. UH, BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PERKINS? DOES ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE Y WOULD LIKE TO, OH, I'M SORRY, MS. ALRIGHT. I NEED, I SAW MOTION DOWN THERE. I, I'LL GET IT AFTER THAT. OKAY. UH, DOES ANYONE FROM THE Y WANT TO MAKE ANY, UH, COMMENT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBER. I I DID. OH, I'M SORRY. MR. SEWER, I DO APOLOGIZE. IT, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. SO IN A SCENARIO, THERE'S NOTHING BINDING OTHER THAN, THAN PROPER NOTICE OF TERMINATING RELEASE. IS THAT YES, THAT'S, THAT'S COR THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A TYPICAL, TYPICAL LEASE ARRANGEMENT, YES. OKAY. CERTAINLY. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I JUST LITERALLY, THIS THING KIND OF MAKES ME PANIC. I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S A SCENARIO THAT RUNS THROUGH MY HEAD. IT'S LIKE, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARTICIPATION FOR THE Y TO BE ABLE TO CONT, YOU KNOW, TO FEASIBLY OPERATE, I, I'M SORRY IF I'M NOT SITTING UP CLOSE ENOUGH. BUT, UM, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARTICIPATION, LET'S SAY FOR THE Y TO FEASIBLY OPERATE THE FACILITY, THEN THEY CAN ASK TO, TO TERMINATE THE LEASE IF THEY CAN ASK TO TERMINATE THE LEASE AND THEN THE BUILDING. BUT THE BUILDING IS STILL THE COUNTY'S BUILDING, SO THE COUNTY IS ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT BUILDING FOR PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS, OR REALLY FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSES THAT THE COUNTY WISHES TO, TO UTILIZE THE BUILDING FOR. UM, AND AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, OUR CURRENT PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING IS IN, IS IN SOME DIRE STRAITS. YEAH. UM, AND SO DEFINITELY THERE WILL BE THE NEED FOR A PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING. UM, AND REGARDING YOUR CONCERN ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO GET TO MEMBERSHIPS, UM, I, I, IF I COULD, I WOULD ASK THE WHY TO TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR MODEL AND THE PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH TO DETERMINE IF SURY WAS A VIABLE LOCATION, IF, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT INFORMATION. YES. I, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. YEAH. IF YOU DON'T MIND, COME, UH, SKIP, DO YOU MIND COME APPROACHING THE, UH, PODIUM AND GIVING US SOME, UH, CLARITY? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UH, THANK YOU. UM, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE YMCA, OUR, OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS, UH, ONE WHERE, UH, WE USE A ZERO-BASED BUDGETING MODEL, BUT IT'S AN INCLUSIVE MODEL. SO WE HAVE 13 YMCAS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, NOT ALL OPERATE IN THE BLACK. UH, A LOT OF 'EM OPERATE IN THE, UH, BLACK, SOME IN THE RED IN OUR SMALLER COUNTIES. UH, THE WAY OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS, IS THAT IT'S A WHOLE ECOSYSTEM. SO WHEN THERE'S A BAD YEAR OR A SOFT YEAR, THERE'S SOME SUBSIDIZING THAT'S NEEDED. UH, OUR FINANCIAL MODEL DOES THAT. WE'VE, UH, RUN THAT MODEL TO SEE THE SCENARIOS WITH SURREY, UM, TO SEE HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO GET TO, UH, A BREAK EVEN, IF YOU WILL. UH, AND WE, UH, WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN THAT. UH, [00:40:01] I CAN, I CAN CONFIRM WITH YOU THAT, UH, THE YMCA, UH, WOULD, WOULD NOT WANT TO COME INTO A COMMUNITY AND THEN, UH, SHUTTER, UH, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR BRAND AND OUR MISSION WOULD REALLY, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY WOULD NOT DO, UH, RIGHT. BUT, UH, WE, UH, WE, WE, WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF IT. UH, THE MARKET STUDY'S BEEN DISCUSSED MANY TIMES. I REFER BACK TO THAT TO SAY THAT THAT'S AN OBJECTIVE STUDY, UH, THAT WAS DONE BY A THIRD PARTY, UH, THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO DO. UM, BECAUSE YUSA WON'T CHARTER A U NEW Y IF WE DON'T GO THROUGH THOSE STEPS, UM, INCLUDING FINANCIAL MODELING AND OF COURSE UNDERSTANDING OUR BUSINESS MODEL. SO, UH, I HOPE THAT UNDERSTANDS WE ALSO FUND CONTINGENCIES. SO IF THERE WERE A, A VERY BAD YEAR IN ANY ONE OF OUR YS IN COMMUNITIES, UM, WE HAVE CONTINGENCIES TO HELP, UM, COVER EXPENSES TO, TO BALANCE THAT. I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. AND I KNOW, I KNOW YOU'VE GIVEN ALL THIS INFORMATION A LOT BEFORE AND I'M JUST RELATIVELY NEW, SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT. IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE SURREY COUNTY FAMILY, YMCA, IT'S THE YMCA, THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA'S BUSINESS MODEL THAT'S LIFTING THIS UP, UH, AND MAKING IT SUSTAINABLE. OR WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS? HEARING NONE, I WILL NOW TURN THE FLOOR OVER FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING. MR. EUGENE, ARE YOU READY? [New Business ] ? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU'RE WELCOME. IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST BOARD STATE YOUR NAME, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND GENE MILBURN. GENE MILBURN, UH, SURY DISTRICT. AND, UH, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY TO YOU. YEAH, THAT BROUGHT UP A REALLY QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN, BUT I SUPPOSE WE GET INTO THIS THING AND MOVE INTO THE YMCA. ARE WE PAYING FOR IT BY MEMBERSHIP? IS THAT HOW IT GETS PAID FOR THERE, THERE IS A THIS, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, BUT THIS IS NOT A QUESTION TO ANSWER, UM, SECTION OF THE, OKAY. UH, I JUST SO WE A QUESTION, MAKE SURE, WE'LL TRY TO, UH, UH, SEE YOU AFTER THE MEETING WITH SOME, SOME CLARITY. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BEGIN A PUBLIC TO GO BACK FORTH. NO, I GOT YOU. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. I HAVE SOME NICE COMMENTS TO MAKE. YEAH, I LOVE NICE COMMENTS, . I REALLY DO. BUT, UH, HE, HE, THE LAST COMMENTS JUST MADE, MADE ME THINK, SUPPOSE WE GET INTO IT AND, UH, COVID COMES UP, THEN WHAT'S OUR BACKUP PLAN? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ANOTHER COVID ATTACK AND HOW WE GOING TO PAY THAT. BUT ANYHOW, THAT HE JUST MADE ME THINK OF IT. BUT, BUT, BUT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. 'CAUSE IT COULD BE REAL. IT COULD REALLY HAPPEN. AND IT HA IT'S A NOW I LOVE EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, BUT AS A BOARD, I'LL, I'LL WAIT, DECIDE. UH, THERE IS NOTHING ADVERSARIAL TO WHAT I'M, I'M GONNA SAY TO WHAT I'LL SAY. WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, AND ALL COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA OR ANY OTHER COUNTY OR ANY OTHER STATE, THAT ALL COUNTIES ARE A BUSINESS. WE HAVE CUSTOMERS AND WE HAVE PROVIDERS, PROVIDERS OF PRODUCTS. THE TAXPAYERS ARE THE CUSTOMERS, AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN THIS CASE ARE THE MANAGER AND OR PROVIDER OF THE PRODUCT. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE THE MANAGERS TO ENSURE THE CUSTOMER, WHICH IS US, ARE GETTING A QUALITY PRODUCT AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE. WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO, AND I EMPHASIZE NO ANIMOSITY FROM CUSTOMER TO MANAGER. THIS IS COMPLETELY AND ENTIRELY A BUSINESS OF BUYING AND SELLING. WE'RE GONNA BUY SOMETHING AND I THINK THE TAXPAYERS APPARENTLY ARE GONNA PAY FOR IT. NOW, HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, ONE MINUTE, JUST ONE MINUTE LEFT. OKAY. UH, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY FLAWS, AND I I HAVE MANY QUESTIONS. I I KNOW WE CAN'T COVER 'EM TONIGHT, ANY OF 'EM, BUT MANY, MANY QUESTIONS FROM WHAT'S ON YOUR INTERNET, UH, NETWORK, WHAT I'VE READ IN THE NEWSPAPER AND [00:45:01] JUST IN CONVERSATION, MANY FLAWS IN THE PLANNING, MANY, MANY, MANY, SOME OF 'EM, VERY SERIOUS. HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY FLAWS IN THE PLANNING AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS BEEN TOLD, IF PROBLEMS ARISE, AND THEY WILL, I'LL HELP AND I'LL BE PART OF A PARTY, WHATEVER THAT PARTY MIGHT BE, TO PURSUE EVERY LEGAL MEANS AVAILABLE TO DETERMINE THE CAUSE AND TO PURSUE THE ANSWER, NO MATTER WHAT THE ANSWER MAY BE. NOW, I KNOW I USING UP MY TIME AND I HAD WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF HERE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THIS, AND PLEASE TAKE THIS ON BOARD. TAKE IT ON BOARD, PLEASE. MR. HAM. THANK YOU. I'M ENDING UP. THIS IS SUMMARY, BUT YOUR, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. I, I ASK YOU IF YOU PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. A PERSON, A PERSON. THIS IS FROM A GREAT . UH, WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING, OCTOBER 1ST IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO ASK MORE. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE MISS, MISS HELEN EGGLESTON. I'LL ASK IF YOU PLEASE COME APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS HELEN EGGLESTON, AND I'M FROM THE BLACK WATER AND DENVER DISTRICT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT WHO WANT A-Y-M-C-A IN SURY COUNTY, BUT THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT IT, WHO OBJECT TO IT ARE OBJECTING TO THEM AND ARE BEING UGLY ABOUT IT. WE ARE NOT A-Y-M-C-A WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR SUR COUNTY. IT'S NEEDED. MS. JANICE PIERCE THAT WAS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT HER FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING WALK. SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE OUT THERE AT FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING BY HERSELF IN CASE SHE WOULD FALL OR WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. A-Y-M-C-A WOULD BE GREAT. BUT WE ARE AGAINST THE BORROWING OF ALL THIS MONEY AT THIS TIME. THE GROCERY BILL HAS GONE UP, GAS HAS GONE OUT OF SIGHT. OUR ECONOMY IS STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW, AND THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING. WE ARE AGAINST, BARRING ALL THAT MONEY, WE ARE AGAINST THE INCREASED TAXES THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO PAY IN ORDER TO PAY FOR IT. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE AGAINST ADDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO OUR ALREADY CURRENT COUNTY DEBT. WE, THE PEOPLE ARE LIABLE FOR THAT MONEY. WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT IN THIS COUNTY FUNCTIONING. WE HAVE TO PAY YOU, WE HAVE TO PAY BILLS. AND AS FAR AS ELECTRICITY AND WATER AND SO FORTH AND SO ON, WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THAT DEBT. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE OBJECTING TO. THIS BOARD IS LOOKING AT A FEW OPTIONS. PERHAPS THERE ARE MORE OPTIONS OUT THERE. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAN US PAYING ALL THIS MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A-Y-M-C-A THAN PLEASE LOOK HARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE MS. BARBARA JONES. I'LL ASK IF YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. I SAY GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING. AND I'M FROM THE COSLEY DISTRICT, AND I TOO ARE 55 PLUS. AND THE NEED FOR THE, UH, THE YMCA, UM, IS A TIME OF NEED THAT IS ROOTED IN ITS FUNDAMENTAL MISSION HERE IN SE COUNTY. UM, I TOO, UM, WALK, TRY FOR HEALING. I'M ONE STANDING BEFORE YOU WITH TWO HIP SURGERIES, AND I WALK DAILY IN PAIN, BUT I DON'T LET IT TAKE A PART OF ME IN ORDER TO GO TO HAVE IT, UM, TO BE, I HAVE TO GO TO SMITHFIELD, I HAVE TO GO TO HOPEWELL, I HAVE TO GO FURTHER. AND WE, HERE IN SARA COUNTY, [00:50:01] WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HELP THE NEEDS. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK AT IT AS A BUILDING OF FOR FUN, BUT THERE IS WATER AEROBICS. THERE ARE, UH, HOT TUB VALVES FOR PEOPLE TO SET IN FOR THEIR JOINTS AND THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED HERE. IT'S NOT, YES, OF COURSE, IT COSTS EVERYTHING COSTS TO STAY IN TIME, BUT I PRAY THAT OUR BOARD AND THE Y-Y-M-C-A OR UM, REPRESENTATIVES HERE HAS COME TO A TURN AND THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE HAVE TO TRUST THE PROCESS, NOT US TAKING OUT THE PROCESS, BUT TRUST THE PROCESS THAT WHAT COMES BEFORE US, THAT WE CAN HANDLE IT. AND IT'S DONE FOR THE PEOPLE OF SE COUNTY, NOT ONE OR TWO, BOY, MAN, WOMAN OR GIRL, BUT THE PEOPLE OF SE COUNTY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MS. JONES. NEXT FOR PUBLIC. EXCUSE ME. NEXT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON OUR PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE MS. JUDY LITTLE. I'LL ASK IF YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM YOU HAVE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WITH FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. MY NAME IS JUDY LITTLE, AND I AM FROM THE BACON'S CASTLE DISTRICT. AND MR. HARD IS MY REPRESENTATIVE. I USED TO REPRESENT MYSELF, . THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THE PUBLIC, IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL OF US, THOSE WHO MAY USE THE WHY, AND THOSE WHO MAY NOT USE THE WHY. BUT I, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, DO USE PARK AND REC. OUR PARK AND REC RECREATION FOR OUR SENIORS, 55 PLUS AND OTHERS IS WORKING VERY WELL. WE ENJOY IT. WE HAVE A GOOD INSTRUCTOR. SO THERE IS A P OR WE ARE DOING SOME THINGS, BUT WE COULD DO MORE IF WE HAD THE YMCA. SO I AM HERE TO SAY I SUPPORT YOU, UH, IN WHATEVER WAY YOU GO, BUT I DO SUPPORT AND LOOK FORWARD TO PROBABLY HAVING A-Y-M-C-A. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. LOGAN? YES. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. YES. UM, THE, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN. UH, THE, THE FOUR NAMES I JUST MENTIONED, I HAD SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER. I JUST GAVE THEM, UH, FIRST, FIRST DIBS ON PUBLIC COMMENT. SO NOW THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERTAINING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL ASK THAT YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT THAT YOU REPRESENT, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. SHALON PIERCE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHERE I'M FROM. I JUST SPOKE THERE A FEW MINUTES AGO, BUT I AM FROM BAKER'S CASTLE. UM, THANK YOU FOR READING THE RESOLUTION AND OH, WHATEVER THAT DOCUMENT IS THAT YOU READ, UM, MATT PERKINS, UM, AND GAVE US SOMETHING, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, IN THE FACT THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, LAND, THE ENUS TRACK WHAT IS ON A HISTORICAL RURAL PROPERTY, IT MAY HAVE BEEN BETTER TO CONSIDER, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING TO BE SUCH THAT WOULD'VE MET THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T REQUIRED. HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT'S TOO, IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT. IT'S 98% WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING. BUT I WOULD SAY A COUPLE THINGS. NUMBER ONE, I AM, I WANNA GO ON RECORD. I AM IN FAVOR OF THE YMCA AND I AM IN FAVOR OF USING MY TAX DOLLARS THAT I HAVE TO PAY TO HELP DO THAT. THIS COUNTY, SINCE THE THE DOMINION PLANT CAME, HAS SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF THINGS. IT DID WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, RIGHT? IT PUT THE MONEY IN EDUCATION. IT MADE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN, AND I'M A PRODUCT OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HELP OUR CHILDREN TO LEARN. HOWEVER, WE AND IT DID THE, UM, THE EMERGENCY SERVICE STUFF. WE GOT A NICE EMERGENCY SERVICE BUILDING. THIS COUNTY HAS PUT MONEY WHERE IT NEEDED TO GO. I WANNA SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS TIME TO PUT SOME MONEY IN ANOTHER FACILITY FOR NOT JUST PARKS AND RECREATION, BUT FOR WELLNESS. THE CITY OF FRANKLIN, THIS IS DATA FROM THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, HAS A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF 11 YEARS LESS THAN OTHER PEOPLE IN THE HAMPTON ROSE COMMUNITY THAT CAME AT THE HEART BALL WITH YOUR FORMER CITIZEN. SHANNON PIERCE WAS CHAIR OF, AND THEY RAISED MONEY. $111 WAS WHAT? THE D WAS THE LAST ONE. BECAUSE OF THAT, THE 11 YEAR LESS LIFE EXPECTANCY, PROACTIVE WAYS OF HELPING ALL CITIZENS, YOUNG, MIDDLE, AND OLD IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO. LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. THIS IS A MATTER OF INCREASING THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU, [00:55:02] PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, CHARNAY FROM THE CARSLEY DISTRICT. UM, GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, CITIZENS OF S COUNTY. I AM HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE YMCA. I ALSO WANNA ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO HEAR TAXES. NO ONE WANTS TO PAY HIGHER TAXES, BUT THE CONVERSATION CANNOT STOP AT MY TAXES WENT UP. SO EVERYTHING THE COUNTY IS DOING MUST BE WRONG. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS, ASK WHERE OUR MONEY IS GOING, AND DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING IN RETURN. FOR YEARS, WE'VE HEARD SUR NEEDS MORE ABOUT FOR OUR CHILDREN, MORE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, MORE ACTIVITIES FOR SENIORS, MORE RESOURCES FOR FAMILIES, AND MORE REASONS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE, WORK, AND REMAIN IN THIS COUNTY. NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN SOMETHING TANGIBLE FOR OUR CITIZENS. THE PROPOSED YMCA IS NOT SIMPLY A BUILDING. THE AGREEMENT CALLS FOR YOUTH, SENIOR AND FAMILY PROGRAMMING, WELLNESS SERVICES, A YEAR-ROUND POOL. THOSE ARE SERVICES THAT CAN TOUCH MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF SRE COUNTY FAMILIES. AND YES, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE COSTS. WE SHOULD DEMAND TRANSPARENCY. WE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS. BUT SUPPORTING PROGRESS DOES NOT MEAN ABANDONING FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ALSO DOES NOT MEAN THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NEVER INVEST. WE CANNOT CONTINUOUSLY SAY SIRI NEEDS MORE. AND THEN WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY COMES TO PROVIDE MORE, WE JUST DON'T WANNA PAY FOR ANYTHING AT SOME POINT. MAINTAINING A COMMUNITY REQUIRES INVESTMENT. AND WHEN DISCUSSING OUR INCREASES, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT AUTOMATICALLY ASSIGNING EVERY INCREASE IN OUR TAX BILL TO THIS ONE PROJECT. CITIZENS DESERVE CLEAR ACCOUNTING AND ALL OF THAT I AM IN AGREEANCE WITH. BUT WE SHOULD DEBATE THE PROJECT BASED ON FACTS, NOT FEAR, RUMORS, OR NEGATIVITY. I SUPPORT THE YMCA LEASE BECAUSE I SUPPORT INVESTING IN SURREY COUNTY. I SUPPORT GIVING OUR CHILDREN SOMETHING MORE. I SUPPORT PROVIDING OUR SENIORS WITH ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, AND I SUPPORT CREATING AMENITIES THAT CAN HELP SURREY COUNTY BE A COMMUNITY WHERE FAMILIES WANT TO STAY. LET'S MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT THE COST OF MOVING FORWARD WHEN WE ALSO CONSIDER THE COST OF STANDING STILL. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERTAINING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL ASK YOU. PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. JAMES DOUGLAS CHARITY, JUNIOR BAKER COUNCIL DISTRICT, THE HONORABLE DISTINGUISH, OR MR. HARDY, NOT REPRESENTATIVE. AND I WISH I HAD HER MOUTH IN MIND AND SAY THAT AGAIN. I WAS SAYING THE WORDS AND REMARKS TO US AS A PEOPLE. I WAS A FORMER DIRECTOR FOR MAINTENANCE PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR THIS COUNTY AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I STOOD WITH THE BOARD WHEN MR. SO WAS THERE THEN SAME DISCUSSION WE HAVING TONIGHT, 2009. THE PROBLEM IS WHAT WE GOING TO DO, HOW YOU GOING TO DO IT? A LOT OF WORK THAT GENTLEMEN PRESENTED TO US IS NEEDFUL AND Y'ALL HAD A SIGNAL OF DISEASE. YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR AND YOU TAKE CARE OF IT. YOU WON'T WALK AROUND AND WORRY ABOUT IT. YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT SINCE 2009? I HOPE Y'ALL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT'S NEED FOR, I SUPPORT IT. BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE NOW, BACK THEN, IT CAN BE DONE NOW. AND THE PAPERWORK AND THE BILL AROUND $32 MILLION. IT'S STILL IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE SOMEWHERE. SO ME AND MR, MY BUDDY, HEY, YOU CALL HIS NAME JOE IRVING, VIRGINIA BEACH TO WILLIAMSBURG AND TO RICHMOND TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT FACILITIES TO BE CONDUCIVE FOR S COUNTY. YMCA IS A GOOD THING. IT'S A GOOD THING. AND THEN WE MOVE WHEN IT'S FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OPPOSITION. DON'T WORRY ABOUT OPPOSITION, JUST DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOD WILL BLESS YOUR HAND. 'CAUSE 2009, I'M STILL LIVING. I LIKE TO SEE IT DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. GOD BLESS YOU AND HAVE A LOT OF FUN. THANK YOU REVEREND CHAIR . TAKE YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT. STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR DISTRICT REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MIKE SSON TEAM, BLACKWATER DISTRICT. I'M NOT AGAINST THE YMCA. WHAT I'M AGAINST IS BEING KNOWN COUNTY LIFE SUPPORT FOR AN ETERNITY AS [01:00:01] SHERRY SEAFOOD WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO SOMEBODY STEPPED UP THE PLATE TO RUN IT. WE DO PROVIDE SOME NICE SERVICES, BUT AS MANAGERS OF THE BUSINESS, LOOK AT THIS GROCERY STORE, HOW LONG IT TOOK. YOU GOT PEOPLE GOING TO WAKEFIELD TO IGA TO LIVE IN SUR. YOU KNOW, ASK THEM, WHY DO YOU COME TO WAKEFIELD TO BUY GROCERIES? THEY SAID PRICES AND LACK OF PRODUCT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KINSON, DR. SHAY, SIRI, DISTRICT. I ALWAYS FOUND IT INTERESTING IN DEBATE. FIGURE OUT, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S CLEARLY ON ONE SIDE OF AN ISSUE. YOU GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S CLEARLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE. IT GETS INTERESTING. WHEN YOU GET TO THE LAST MINUTE, SAY SWITCH, YOU ARGUE WHAT YOU THINK MY SIDE IS. I ARGUE WHAT I THINK YOUR SIDE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO RESOLVE ARGUMENTS, DISAGREEMENTS NOT JUST POLITICALLY, BUT ALSO IN FAMILIES INTERPERSONALLY. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE WYATT MCA, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK THE FUNDING MECHANISM IS IDEAL. UM, MS. PIERCE, I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO WALK IN SAFETY. I WANT HER EATEN BY A BEAR. . I DON'T WANT HER WORRIED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T WANNA WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT 5:30 AM OTHER THAN ENJOYING, YOU KNOW, NATURE AND THE SUNRISE. UM, CHILDCARE, ANYONE'S AGAINST GOOD CHILDCARE IS A BAD PERSON. , PLAIN SIMPLE, UM, EXERCISE. EXERCISE IS MEDICINE. FOR SO MANY YEARS, I WAS A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF SPORTS MEDICINE. THAT'S THEIR TAGLINE. EXERCISE IS MEDICINE. WATER SAFETY. A CDC SURVEY SHOWS THAT ONLY 72% OF WHITES CAN SWIM. ONLY 36% OF BLACKS ACCORDING TO ONE, UH, CDC SURVEY CAN SWIM. THAT'S A WATER SAFETY ISSUE. UM, THE, THE PEOPLE OF THE YMCA AND SOME OF 'EM ARE HERE TONIGHT, STELLAR PEOPLE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WHAT I KNOW OF THEM. ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL PEOPLE. UM, THE ARCHITECT, ARCHITECT, I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THAT FIRM. GREAT PEOPLE FROM WHAT I KNOW OF WHAT, UH, FROM WHAT I KNOW OF WM JORDAN. FANTASTIC CONTRACTOR. GREAT CHOICES. UM, THE QUESTION HERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY COST THAT GMP OF 22 MILLION 344 7 22, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER AND IS ONE GENTLEMAN CHARACTERIZED. WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YMCA AS A BUSINESS PROPOSITION. GOVERNMENT IS TYPICALLY NOT GREAT AT BUSINESS. AND I THINK THE, THE ANALOGY ALSO HAS LIMITATIONS BECAUSE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T BE RUN LIKE A BUSINESS. GOVERNMENT ALSO HAS A PUBLIC SERVICE ELEMENT, JUST LIKE THE YMCA SAYS, SOME OF OUR LOCATIONS LOSE MONEY. UM, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF THAT $22 MILLION IN CHANGE. I WANNA THANK, UH, SUPER, MY SUPERVISOR, SUPERVISOR SEWER FOR GIVING VOICE TO ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME. I HAVE ONE MINUTE , BUT, UH, FOR GIVING OBJECTIVE VOICE TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FUNDING MECHANISMS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU ARE CHARGED WITH MAKING THIS DECISION AND LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY COST. IF THIS IS THE BEST USE OF THE FUNDS, IF THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO SPEND THAT AND NOT HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, THEN DO IT. IF IT'S NOT, DON'T. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, JACKIE. RICKS BACONS CASTLE DISTRICT. I THANK YOU. I SUPPORT THE YMCA. THANK YOU FOR LOOKING OUT FOR THE FUTURE. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST THE Y THEY PROBABLY WON'T BENEFIT FROM IT. THEY'LL BE DEAD. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PART. I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS SEARCHING FOR SOME REDEEM. ALL RIGHT. UH, SUSAN VELA CLAREMONT, UM, AGAIN, AS WE'VE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, MOST OF THE PEOPLE SUPPORT THE YMCA. IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE ELDERLY COMMUNITY. WE'RE ALL GETTING OLDER AND THEY HAVE GREAT PROGRAMS. UM, BUT LIKE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, AND I HANDED Y'ALL BROCHURES THE LAST TIME, UM, ONE OTHER TIME I SPOKE ON DIFFERENT LOCALITIES THAT DID THE COST OF GETTING A-Y-M-C-A TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AND WHEN THE YMCA PRESENTED THEIR PROGRAM, THEY HAD LITTLE BOXES AT THE BOTTOM. AND IT WAS THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, WELL, THIS IS WHERE I GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AND WHERE I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THEIR PROCESS. THEY HAD THE CAMPAIGN [01:05:01] FOR, UM, FUNDING BEFORE DOING A LEASE AND FINANCING AND DOING THE CONSTRUCTION. A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT THE YMCA WENT INTO DID THAT. THEY RAISED MONEY. THEY FUNDRAISED, THEY GOT GRANTS. THEY GOT DONATIONS FROM THE CITIZENS THAT WANT THE YMCA. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE RUSH IS THERE. WHY DO NEW, WHY DON'T WE JUST PAUSE, RECONSIDER SOME OTHER OPTIONS INSTEAD OF TAKING OUT $24 MILLION AND NOW WE HAVE TO FIND WATER. IF THAT'S INCORRECT, PLEASE INFORM US BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE. THERE'S NO WATER FOR THE YMCA. IS THAT A $2 MILLION EDITION OR $8 MILLION EDITION? THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE, UM, EXPLAINED TO THE CITIZENS ALSO. UM, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT COULD NOT BE HERE, AND THIS PERTAINS TO THIS LEASE AND INSURANCE. WILL THE COUNTY ALSO BE LISTED ON THE CONTRACTOR'S LIABILITY AND THE WORKERS' COMP AS ADDITIONAL INSURED, SINCE THEY STILL OWN THE PROPERTY, IS THE 1 MILLION ENOUGH TO COVER THE PROJECT? YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. THE YMCA THANK YOU SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH COVERAGE IN PLACE TO COVER WHILE PROJECT IS BEING BUILT. DOES THE 1 MILLION MATCH WHAT THE COUNTY HAS? OR IS THE COUNTY SELF-INSURED AT THE TIME OF COMPLETION? WHO IS DETERMINING REPLACEMENT COST ON THIS BUILDING? WILL WE USE A THIRD PARTY? UM, ALSO NOT INSURANCE, BUT IF THE COUNTY CAN'T OBTAIN THIS LOAN, ARE WE STILL OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE YMCA. UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ALSO WONDERED ABOUT HOW THE, THE, UM, OH MY GOSH, I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. UM, HOW THE SURVEY WAS DONE. WHO GOT THIS SURVEY? WAS IT SURREY COUNTY, VIRGINIA? WAS IT SURREY COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA? DID YOU GOOGLE SURREY COUNTY AND YOU GET BOTH LOCATIONS? NOBODY I SPOKE TO RECEIVED A SURVEY. I EVEN SPOKE TO PEOPLE WHO WERE MEMBERS OF THE YMCA THAT THEY SAID THEY SURVEYED AND NOBODY ANSWERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, CERTAINLY. SIERRA CHARITY, COUPLAND BACONS CASTLE DISTRICT. GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME IS SIERRA CHARITY COUPLAND, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT AS A RESIDENT OF SURREY COUNTY DISTRICT EXPRESS MY CON, CONTINUED STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE SURY COUNTY COMMUNITY YMCA. I UNDERSTAND THAT 22 MILLION IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, AND WHEN WE HEAR A NUMBER THAT LARGE, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD ASK HARD QUESTIONS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, DEBT, AND LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. BUT WE SHOULD ALSO DISCUSS THOSE NUMBERS IN THE PROPER FINANCIAL CONTEXT. SURY COUNTY'S FFY 27 BUDGET SHOWS THAT OUR COUNTY HAS A SUBSTANTIAL REVENUE BASE, INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FROM PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATIONS. THE COUNTY'S BUDGET ALSO SHOWS THAT ITS DEBT MANAGEMENT STRATEGY IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BALANCE FUTURE BORROWING WITH FINANCIAL STABILITY AND MINIMIZING INCREASES TO THE TAX RATE. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE YMCA DOES NOT MEAN ADDING THE COST OF OPERATING AN ETER ENTIRELY NEW RECREATION DEPARTMENT ON TOP OF THE ONE WE ALREADY HAVE UNDER THE COUNTY'S AGREEMENT WITH THE YMCA. THE YMCA WILL EMPLOY ITS OWN STAFF AND OPERATE ITS OWN FACILITY. THE COUNTY'S ANNUAL SUBSIDY BEGINS WITH THE SAME 400,000 THAT WAS APPROPRIATED FOR THE P AND REC COM, UM, COMMUNITY BUILDING AND ITS RECREATION IN THE 24 25 BUDGET ADJUSTED AS PROVIDED IN THE AGREEMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSITIONING AND EXPANDING RECREATIONAL SERVICES, NOT SIMPLY CREATING ANOTHER $400,000 ANNUAL DEPARTMENT. I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT BORROWING FOR THIS PROJECT CREATES REAL DEBT SERVICE THAT DESERVES TRANSPARENCY AND CONTINUED FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT. BUT DEBT ITSELF IS NOW AUTOMATICALLY EVIDENCE OF FINANCIAL IRRESPONSIBILITY. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT TIME FINANCE LONG LIVED PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PRECISELY BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS WHO BENEFIT FROM THOSE ASSETS OVER MANY YEARS SHARE IN THE COSTS AND BENEFITS OVER TIME. SO MY REQUEST TO THIS BOARD IS SIMPLE. CONTINUE TO BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE. CONTINUE TO DISCLOSE THE COST OF THIS PROJECT CLEARLY AND TRANSPARENTLY, AND CONTINUE MOVING SURREY FORWARD. FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD NOT MEAN THAT SUR NEVER MAKES A MAJOR INVESTMENT IN ITSELF. IT SHOULD MEAN THAT WE INVEST, WE UNDERSTAND THE COST PLAN FOR IT, AND ENSURE THAT THE INVESTMENT SERVES OUR COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS. I BELIEVE THE YMCA CAN BE THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT FOR SERE AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERTAINING TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING? [01:10:01] LORD, HE WAS ABOUT TO FALL TOO. TAKE YOUR TIME. IT'S ALL RIGHT. UM, THOMAS HARDY BACONS COUNCIL DISTRICT, UM, HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN THAT GREAT DISTRICT. THANK YOU, MR. HARDY . UM, UH, WELL, WE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, HEARD A COUPLE COMMENTS AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, TAX RAISING AND THINGS OF SUCH, AND WE HAD PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES. SO TAXES WOULD NOT GET RAISED. AND ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT WAS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR SHOT IT DOWN SO OF A CERTAIN DISTRICT. SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT? WE SHOULD, THAT SHOULDN'T BE A COMP, UH, A, A COMPLAINT. THAT DATA CENTER AT FULL CAPACITY, WE LOOKED AT $75 MILLION TO THE COUNTY A YEAR. SO WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT TAXES. THAT'S FACTS. OKAY. UH, PHONE WENT OUT. GLAD MR. SE DIDN'T START THAT THREE MINUTES YET. . UM, AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TAXES EITHER WAY. SO I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE STILL ONE OF THE, UM, CHEAPEST IN THE REGION. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES. UH, I SAT ON THE PLAN, STILL A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE SAT ON THE BOARD AND WE, WE ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A BRAND NEW GROCERY, A BRAND NEW GROCERY STORE. WE LISTENED TO THE CITIZENS. WE GOT IT. WE ALMOST GOT IT RIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T GET A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT, BUT WE LISTENED TO THE CITIZENS. AND SOME PE SOME MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE MAY OR MAY NOT BEEN HERE AT THAT TIME. WE COULD HAVE HAD A BRAND NEW GROCERY STORE THAT WE WOULDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT NOW. BUT WE, THE BOARD LISTENED TO THE CITIZENS. SO DON'T SAY THEY DID NOT LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS. AND, AND I KNOW THIS, WHEN PEOPLE PULL UP INFORMATION, THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE YMCA. THEY'RE GONNA PULL UP WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AND HOW THEY WANT IT TO READ FOR THE NARRATIVE TO GO A CERTAIN WAY. YOU GOT THESE GENTLEMEN SITTING BEFORE US TODAY. THEY AIN'T IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO MESS A COUNTY OVER OR MESS A CITY OVER. THEY NO, NO. THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT THEIR BUSINESS. YEAH. WELL, THEY, YOU STARTED THAT COUNT ON ME. THEY, THEY WOULD NOT EVEN STAND BEFORE YOU AND DO THAT. THE DAVENPORT GROUP CAME IN HERE, THEY PRESENTED IT FIVE OR SIX TIMES. WHAT HAVEN'T WE GOTTEN YET? THOSE GUYS HAVE SAID EVERYTHING. THEY'VE BEEN HONEST. WE'VE GOT OUR HR TEAM, WE'VE GOT OUR LEGAL TEAM. THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME IN HERE AND JUST, AND JUST EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE, BS THIS COUNTY AND STAND BEFORE YOU AND, AND DO IT ON RECORD. WE HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO SUE AT THAT POINT. SO THEY'RE NOT SO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU DO. AND I'M A SUPPORTER OF THE YMCA 'CAUSE. I, UH, GOTTA A BELLY OUTTA GET RID OF STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. ZION CHARITY, BACONS CASTLE DISTRICT. AS THE PREACHERS WILL SAY, I PROMISE I WON'T BE BEFORE YOU ALONE, . I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS YMCA GO FORWARD WITH IT. WE NEED IT. THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTY NEEDS IT. IT'S GONNA PRESENT JOBS, IT'S GOING TO PRESENT WELLNESS TO EVERYBODY YOUNG AND OLD. AND AS MY COUSIN STATED EARLIER, SOME OF US WON'T BE HERE TO BENEFIT FROM IT BECAUSE OF THE AGE FACTOR, BUT STILL, YOUR GREAT GRANDS WILL, YOUR GREAT-GREAT-GREAT GRANDS WILL YOU TALKING ABOUT 55 YEARS OF WELLNESS. AND IF YOU ARE AGAINST THAT, SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. SOUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I CONGRATULATE YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? IF SO, I ASK IF YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOY WOOD AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE SPRING ROAD CLAREMONT DISTRICT OF S COUNTY. YVONNE PIERCE, A STUDENT TEACHER AT S COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, SPENDS HER SUMMERS WORKING AS A SUPERVISOR FOR S COUNTY PARKS AND REC. I LOVE WORKING WITH CHILDREN. PIERCE SAYS, BEING IN CONTACT WITH THE CHILDREN AND KNOWING THAT THEY'RE HAPPY REALLY MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. PIERCE, WHO HAS WORKED FOR PARKS AND REC FOR SIX YEARS, OVERSEAS ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING ARTS AND CRAFTS, BASKETBALL AND SOFTBALL. SHE IS ALSO AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN DANN. SHE ORGANIZES SOME BEAM CHOIR AND SHE TEACHES INTERMEDIATE SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASSES. HOMETOWN. I LIVE IN RIND. I'M FROM S COUNTY. MOTTO, TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WOULD WANT TO BE TREATED. FAVORITE RESTAURANTS, CAPTAIN GEORGE'S SEAFOOD RESTAURANT. FAVORITE FOODS? SEAFOOD. FAVORITE BOOK, THE BIBLE. FAVORITE MUSIC. I LIKE TO LISTEN TO GOSPEL AND CONTEMPORARY MUSIC. WISH I WISH THAT THERE, I WISH THAT THERE WAS MORE FAMILY UNITY AND THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD MAKE GOD A PART OF THEIR LIVES. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THIS WOMAN [01:15:01] WHO WAS INTERVIEWED IN 1989. THE LATE HONORABLE YVONNE PIERCE WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF S COUNTY PARKS AND REC, AN EMPLOYEE OF SARA COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND SERVED AS MAYOR OF RE SHE WAS BORN INSI, RAISED IN RE EDUCATED IN SRE, AND BURIED IN SRE WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY IN 2021. IN 2021, THERE WAS NO TALK OF A-Y-M-C-A IN S COUNTY. THERE WAS ALSO NO TALK OF ME HAVING A CHILD IN 2021, BUT I WAS BLESSED WITH MY BABY GIRL IN 2024. WHAT I DO KNOW FOR SURE IS THAT EVEN ON HER FIXED INCOME AND HER LIMITED YEARS AHEAD OF HER, SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF SUCH A RESOURCES, THE YMCA, COMING TO S COUNTY, EVEN KNOWING THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BENEFITED HER DIRECTLY. AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, THE Y IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUNG INDIVIDUALS AND YOUNG FAMILIES THAT S WANTS THEM HERE AND WILL SUPPORT THEM WHEN THEY MOVE HERE. I LIKE, I KNOW MY LATE AUNT WOULD HAVE BEEN AND IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE YMCA, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY ONLY BENEFIT ME IN SOME WAYS, BUT NOT ALL. I WISH EVERYONE COULD SEE BEYOND THEMSELVES AND SEE THAT THE Y IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY OURSELVES, BUT OUR OFFSPRING. EVEN THOSE WE MAY NEVER MEET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, SEEING OR HEARING NONE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. STAFF. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR REMARKS YOU NEED TO MAKE BEFORE, UH, BOARD COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN? IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, UH, ONE POINT, AND IT HAS COME UP, UM, SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE IN DAVENPORT'S, FORMER PRESENTATIONS. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, IT IS NOT PREDICTED THAT TAXES WILL BE INCREASED IN ORDER TO FINANCE, UH, THIS PROJECT, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, BECAUSE SEVERAL CITIZENS BROUGHT THAT UP, I DID, I DID WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT. UM, AND IN ADDITION, THE WATER SITUATION IS BEING FINANCED BY GRANT FUNDING. SO THAT IS, UH, THAT'S BEING EXPANDED TO THE ENTIRE PARCEL, NOT JUST TO THE YMCA PROPERTY. HOUR 13 MINUTES STILL ON IT. THANK YOU. AND THEY TOLD ME 15 MINUTES, MR. MR. DREW. ALL RIGHT. UM, MR. HARRISON? YES, I JUST WANTED TO SAY GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, AS WE DISCUSS TAXES, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY'S TAX BASE COMES FROM DOMINION ENERGY. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE OF THAT CITIZENS DO PAY TAXES, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY'S REVENUE, AGAIN, COMES FROM DOMINION ENERGY, AND I IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK UP THE PERCENTAGES AND RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. HARRISON, BOARD MEMBERS, WOULD YOU LIKE BOARD MEMBERS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? CHAIR, MR. HARDY? BRIEFLY. I JUST WANT TO, UH, THANK ALL THE CITIZENS FOR, UM, YOUR INPUT, UM, PRO OR AGAINST. UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS INPUT WE'VE HEARD BEFORE AND, UH, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET EVERYBODY'S INPUT, EVERYBODY'S ASPECT, AND, UM, AND KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR THE COUNTY. IT'S NOT TO HURT ANYBODY, BUT TO HELP AND, UM, CARRY US FORWARD FOR THE, UH, FORESEEABLE FUTURE AND THE DAYS WE WILL NOT, WILL NOT BE HERE. SO THANKS EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR INPUT AND COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. HARDY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE COMMENT. UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THE QUOTE I USED ON MY SIGNATURE ON MY EMAIL IS, UM, THE BEST COMMUNITIES GROW WHEN WISE MEN PLANT TREES KNOWING THEY WON'T FEEL THE SHADE. UM, AND HEARING WHAT I'M HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS TONIGHT IS, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO PLANT SEEDS TO ENSURE THAT THE GENERATIONS IN THE FUTURE HAVE SOMETHING TO BE HAPPY ABOUT. HERE IN SARA COUNTY, UH, BORN, RAISED HERE, I JUST, I THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS THIS EVENING ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THOSE WHO SUPPORT AND THOSE WHO DON'T SUPPORT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, THEIR PERSPECTIVES AND FEEDBACK. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, THERE, THIS ISN'T AN ACTION ITEM AND I'LL ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS WHAT IS THEIR PLEASURE, MR. CHAIR? MR. ELLIOT, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE LEASE OF FIVE ENUS FARM DRIVE, KNOWN AS TAX PARCEL 27 DASH 32 B, TO THE YOUNG MEN'S CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION OF THE VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA PENINSULA OF OPERATIONS OF YMCA FACILITIES. GRANT, THE YMCA LEASE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE LEASE TO USE THE EXISTING COUNTY FIELD OF GREEN SPACE AND AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY TO COMPLETE NEGOTIATIONS TO EXECUTE A LEASE AND LICENSE AGREEMENT. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ELLIOT, SECOND BY VICE CHAIR HARDY, THAT WE APPROVE TONIGHT'S, UM, PUBLIC [01:20:01] HEARING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAID MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY YES, THAT IT, UM, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT, THAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD. 'CAUSE THERE IS ALSO THE COMPONENT OF APPROVING THE MAXIMUM GUARANTEED PRICE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I, UH, GUARANTEED MAXIMUM THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR HARDY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAID MOTION? HEARING NONE. WE'LL NOW DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE SUPERVISOR HARDY. YES. CHAIRMAN PIERCE? YES. SUPERVISOR ELLIOT? YES. SUPERVISOR SEWARD? NO. SUPERVISOR DREW? YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. HARRISON. WE, UH, LET THE RECORD SHOW WE HAVE FOUR. YES. ONE, NO, THE RESOLUTION IS PASSED PAST. NEXT, ON OUR NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE, UH, THREE ITEMS OF NEW BUSINESS, UH, ONE BEING THE SENIOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD, NAMING, TWO BEING THE PROPOSAL FOR LEASE, RE, RE REVENUE AND FINANCING. AND THREE BEING THE, UH, BEING THE PAYOFF OF INTERN INTERIM FINANCING. UM, I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH NUMBER TWO FOR TONIGHT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH, UH, BOARD MEMBERS. AND I'LL ASK IF MS. HARVEY WILL, OR WHO AM ASKING MS. LIN? OH, I'M SORRY, MS. WINDELL. WRONG WAY. SORRY. . MS. DAVENPORT. OH, DAVENPORT. I'M MESSING THE NAMES ALL OF 'EM THIS EVENING. I DO APOLOGIZE. I DO APOLOGIZE. I'LL ASK IF DAVENPORT WILL PLEASE COME UP TO MAKE THEIR, UH, PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. NICE TO SEE ALL. UM, AS ALWAYS, KYLE LAUCH WITH DAVENPORT, UM, THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL ADVISORS. SO MY COLLEAGUE ETHAN'S HANDING OUT A PRESENTATION FOR THE BOARD. I BELIEVE WE HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN. IS THERE, WE JUST HAVE IT IN A HARD COPY. MAYBE I JUST GOTTA GO FIND IT HERE. NOT SURE I KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS, BUT BEAR WITH ME. THAT'S THE OLD ONE. WE NEED THE ONE FROM SEPTEMBER. BEAR WITH ME, MR. CHAIR. THIS LOOKS OKAY. THERE WE GO. VERY GOOD. SO WE'LL TRY AND GET THIS, I CAN DO THIS CORRECTLY UP ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. WHICH BUTTON THAT, ETHAN, WHICH ONE'S THE FULL SCREEN? THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. IT'S A TEAM EFFORT. UM, WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY. SO, UM, AGAIN, KYLE X WITH DAVENPORT, THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR. SO, UM, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING, UM, TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE FINANCING FOR THE YMCA PROJECT. UM, THAT'S A PROCESS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH FOR REALLY THE BETTER PART OF THE LAST YEAR. UM, WE'RE LAST HERE IN, UH, VERY EARLY PART OF AUGUST, UM, AS YOU RECALL. AND SO, UM, WE'VE GOT THIS PRESENTATION HERE. I THINK A COUPLE THINGS I'LL NOTE JUST FOR THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC AGAIN, UM, WE AT DAVENPORT IS YOUR ADVISOR. UM, WE ARE NOT IN, IN CHARGE OF COMING UP WITH A GIVEN PROJECT. AND SO WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA DO A PROJECT OR NOT, THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU AS A COUNTY. UM, WHETHER A PROJECT IS A GOOD PROJECT OR A BAD PROJECT, THAT'S NOT FOR US TO SAY. UM, AND SO WHAT WE HAVE REALLY DONE AT THE REQUEST OF, UH, THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD AND YOUR STAFF IS TO, OVER THE COURSE OF LAST YEAR, REALLY LOOK AT HOW COULD THIS PROJECT BE FINANCED AND BORROWED FOR. AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT OVER A SERIES OF STEPS. UM, AND I'LL MAKE A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. UM, NUMBER ONE, THE COUNTY HAS A SERIES OF LONGSTANDING DEBT POLICIES. THOSE POLICIES, UH, HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THEY'RE NOT NEW. UM, AND WHEN WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK, AND I'LL HARKEN BACK TO THE AUGUST PRESENTATION THAT WE DID. UM, WHEN YOU TAKE THIS ROUGHLY $24 MILLION FOR THE YMCA AND YOU LAYER THAT IN WITH THE EXISTING COUNTY DEBT, YOU [01:25:01] ARE WELL WITHIN THOSE POLICY LIMITS. AND SO, UM, YOU'RE BOTH IN COMPLIANCE, YOU'D BE IN COMPLIANCE AFTER THE FINANCING, UM, AND YOU WOULD EVEN HAVE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, UM, OVER AND ABOVE THAT WITH WHICH TO TAKE ON WHATEVER OTHER FUTURE PROJECTS, UH, THE COUNTY, UH, MAY SEE FIT. UM, THAT CAPACITY IS NOT UNLIMITED, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT AT THE, THE RED LINE OF THE LIMITATIONS AFTER THIS, UH, 24 MILLION. UH, THE OTHER POINT I'LL MAKE IS, AGAIN, AS WE'VE, UH, NOT COME UP WITH YOUR BUDGET PER SE, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. UM, BUT LOOKED AND REVIEWED, UM, MET THE BUDGET THE COUNTY'S PUT TOGETHER FOR 2027. UM, YOU FULLY DEBT BUDGETED FOR DEBT SERVICE. AND SO IN TERMS OF THE PAYMENTS ON THIS NEW LOAN, UH, THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT, SORT OF HOW WE ARE RECOMMENDING GOING ABOUT THAT. THOSE PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN FULLY FACTORED INTO THE BUDGET OF THE YEAR WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, MEETING FISCAL YEAR 2027. AND SO FOR PURPOSES OF DEBT SERVICE, BOTH YOUR EXISTING DEBT SERVICE, UM, IN THIS PROPOSED NEW LOAN, YOU'VE GOT THAT ALREADY BUILT INTO THE BUDGET. UM, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE SEE NEEDED, UH, BY VIRTUE OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'LL WALK THROUGH, UH, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN TERMS OF AN UPDATE. UM, WE DO HAVE A SERIES OF UPDATES FOR YOU. SO AGAIN, BACKGROUND, I WON'T READ THIS WORD FOR WORD, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR, YOU KNOW, A YEAR PLUS IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT THIS PLANNING AND MADE A NUMBER OF PRESENTATIONS TO THE BOARD, WHICH YOU ALWAYS APPRECIATE. UM, WHEN WE WERE HERE IN AUGUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A PATH FORWARD FOR THE FINANCING, UM, THAT WOULD INVOLVE GOING OUT INTO THE PUBLIC CREDIT MARKETS. UM, THE AVENUE THAT THE COUNTY HAS HISTORICALLY USED TO DO THAT, IT WAS TO GO THROUGH THE VIRGINIA RESOURCES AUTHORITY, AND THAT WAS IN THE VERY PER EARLY PART OF AUGUST. UM, FOR THOSE THAT WATCH THE NEWS AND FINANCIAL NEWS, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, ESPECIALLY, UM, ABOUT THE LAST 30 DAYS OR THEREABOUTS, UM, THOSE MARKETS IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC MARKETS, UH, THE INTEREST RATES HAVE MOVED UP RATHER SUBSTANTIALLY. WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 50 BASIS POINTS HIGHER, UM, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHEN WE WERE TALKING IN THE EARLY PART OF AUGUST. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, UM, IS TO GO OUT AND EVALUATE, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF GETTING THIS FINANCING, UM, VIA A DIRECT BANK LOAN. UM, THE DIRECT BANK LOAN IS SOMETHING THAT IS USED COMMONLY ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH ACROSS COUNTRY. UM, AND THE WAY THAT WOULD BE STRUCTURED IS VIA THIS LEASE REVENUE BOND, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS VERY COMMONPLACE. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA UPDATE YOU ON THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN BACK IN TERMS OF A COMPETITIVE BIDDING FROM BANKS. UM, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE ABOUT THAT, AND THE REASON WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, IS AS WE'VE WATCHED RATES AND THE PUBLIC MARKETS GO UP OVER THE LAST 30, 45 DAYS, UM, WHAT THIS BANK LOAN WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO AS A COUNTY IS GO AHEAD AND LOCK IN AN INTEREST RATE TODAY. UM, WE KNOW DEFINITIVELY WHAT THAT IS. IT'S BELOW THE RATE THAT'S USED FOR PLANNING, UM, AND IT ALSO GIVES YOU VERY GOOD PREPAYMENT FLEXIBILITY. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES. UM, BUT THAT IS AN UPDATE FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE. UM, ON PAGE NUMBER TWO, JUST A VISUAL IN TERMS OF TAX EXEMPT INTEREST RATES. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW? UM, THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE COUNTY CAN BORROW ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS FOR PROJECTS THAT THE IRS, UM, SAYS QUALIFY. WHAT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS BORROW A LOWER INTEREST RATE THAN YOU OTHERWISE WOULD IN THIS PROJECT. AS WE'VE WORKED WITH YOUR BOND COUNCIL, WHICH IS NOT US, UM, CTAC ROCK IS YOUR BOND COUNCIL. THEY'VE SAID, YES, THIS QUALIFIES FOR THAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF FINANCING. UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS A GENERAL INDEX OF TAX EXEMPT BORROWING RATES GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1980. UM, AND WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT IS, UH, A GENERAL TREND DOWNWARDS. UM, AND SO YOU LOOK AT THAT ON A HISTORICAL BASIS. UM, THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT GRAPH IS WHERE WE'RE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION FROM A LONG TERM HISTORICAL BASIS. UM, WE'VE PURPOSELY IN THAT GRAPH ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, TAKEN A SHORTER TIME PERIOD AND SAID, WHAT HAVE RATES DONE, UM, REALLY DURING THE SUMMERTIME? AND THAT'S A PRETTY STEADY CLIMB UP. AND SO WE'VE SEEN THAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY JULY, AUGUST A LOT ACTUALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE, UM, HAVE, WHICH IS PART OF OUR JOB, SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S FIND A WAY WHICH THERE'S, UH, PROVEN WAYS TO DO THAT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TO GO AHEAD AND LOCK A RATE IN AND TAKE THAT INTEREST RATE RISK OFF OF THE TABLE AND BUILD TO LOCK SOMETHING IN THAT IS MORE KNOWN AND DEFINITIVE, UH, THAN WHAT THE PUBLIC MARKETS MAY BE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GONE OUT AND WE'VE DONE A COMPETITIVE BIDDING. UM, THAT AGAIN, IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMMONPLACE FOR A FINANCING OF THIS TYPE. UM, FOR SOMETHING CALLED A LEASE REVENUE BOND. THAT'S A LEGAL STRUCTURE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE COUNTY'S DEBT AND MOST, UH, COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE HAVE USED IT ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. UM, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS THE, THE FACILITY ITSELF WILL SERVE AS COLLATERAL FOR THE LOAN, UM, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE CALL A MORAL OBLIGATION PLEDGE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, TO REPAY THE DEBT SERVICE, UM, ON A SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATION BASIS [01:30:01] THAT IS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME STRUCTURE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE NOW WITH ALL THE EXISTING DEBT. SO WE'RE NOT BREAKING ANY NEW GROUND WITH THAT STRUCTURE. UM, I MENTIONED BEFORE WHEN THE PLANNING WAS DONE FOR THE PROJECT, UH, WE USED A 5% BORROWING RATE FOR A 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD. UM, THAT'S BEEN A PRETTY GOOD HISTORICAL CONSERVATIVE PLANNING AVERAGE. UM, AND WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF THE BIDDING, UM, IS HUNTINGTON BANK, UM, WHICH IS A BANK, UH, THAT HAS WORKED WITH THE COUNTY IN THE PAST, GOOD COMPETITIVE BIDDER. UH, THEY CAME IN WITH A 4 82, SO 4.82% FIXED FOR A FULL 20 YEARS, UH, WOULD BE THE TERM OF THAT LOAN SUBJECT TO SOME STEPS THAT WE'LL DISCUSS. UH, IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD, UM, I MENTIONED THAT'S A 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD. I REMEMBER IN, IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS EARLIER, UM, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE THINK ABOUT IS, UH, WHY WOULD A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHETHER IT'S THIS COUNTY, A CITY, ANYBODY ELSE BORROW FOR, UM, A CAPITAL PROJECT. ONE OF THOSE IS A CONCEPT WE TERMED, UH, SOMETIMES GENERATIONAL EQUITY. AND SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, BUILD A MAJOR FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S A Y OR A SCHOOL OR A FIRE STATION, UM, IT DOES AND OFTENTIMES MAKE SENSE TO BORROW FOR THAT. NO DIFFERENT THAN IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE. ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO OWN A HOME, YOU'VE LIKELY HAD A MORTGAGE TO BUY THAT HOME AT SOME POINT. UM, AND THAT IS GENERALLY SINCE WE'RE WITHIN POLICY AND WE BUDGET FOR THAT, A GOOD USE OF OUTSTANDING DEBT. IT IS PAID FOR VIA FIXED RATES. YOU'RE PAYING PRINCIPAL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UM, AND IT LOOKS MUCH LIKE A RESIDENTIAL MORTGAGE. UM, WHAT THAT PROVIDES THEN IS AN ABILITY WITH, UH, THE BALANCE OF YOUR BUDGET, UM, AND YOUR CASH TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT MAYBE SOME OF THOSE SMALLER RECURRING NEEDS THAT EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS. UM, AND SO, UM, ON BALANCE, IF YOU'RE GONNA BORROW FOR SOMETHING, USUALLY BETTER TO BORROW FOR THE BIGGER LONG-LIVED ASSET AND KEEP SOME OF THE SMALLER THINGS ABLE TO BE PAID FOR, UH, WITH CASH. UM, ONE OTHER POINT WE'LL MAKE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR FINANCING. IN TERMS OF HUNTINGTON BANK, UM, THE INTEREST RATE WAS THE LOWEST OF ANY OF THE BIDS RECEIVED AT A 42. UM, THE OTHER VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT IS A PREPAYMENT PROVISION. AND SO WE THINK ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THE FINANCING ITSELF. SO FIXED INTEREST RATE OF 42, UM, PAID OVER 20 YEARS WITH THE ABILITY, UH, TO PREPAY AFTER FIVE YEARS WITH NO PENALTY. UM, AGAIN, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE VRA PROGRAM AND BARGAIN, THE PUBLIC CREDIT MARKETS, UM, WHICH OFTENTIMES IS A, IS A GOOD SOLUTION. UM, THOSE PUBLIC CREDIT MARKETS HAVE A 10 YEAR LOCKOUT PERIOD, AND SO THIS LOAN HAS A SHORTER, MORE FLEXIBLE PREPAYMENT ABILITY. UM, SO BASICALLY AUGUST 1ST, 2031, YOU WOULD HAVE HIS ACCOUNTING ABILITY TO PAY THE LOAN OFF FOR WHATEVER REASON. IF YOU WANNA REFINANCE IT, PAY IT OFF, YOU'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH NO PENALTY. UM, WE DID RECEIVE A NUMBER OF OTHER BIDS, UM, THEY'RE NOTED THERE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT, UM, SUFFICE IT TO SAY THE HUNTINGTON BID WAS THE LOWEST INTEREST RATE, UH, MET THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN TERMS OF LEGAL STRUCTURE AND ALSO SAID THE BEST PREPAYMENT PROVISION. SO, UH, FOR THOSE VARIETY OF REASONS, UM, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU THIS EVENING. UM, ON PAGE NUMBER FOUR, WE JUST, AGAIN, HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. UM, AGAIN, UH, FIXED INTEREST RATE OVER 20 YEARS. UH, THE PLANNING RATE WE'VE USED IS 5%. AND SO THIS WOULD BE, AGAIN, A 4 82, UM, THAT IS KNOWN, WHEN I SAY KNOWN, IT'S HELD UNTIL IN THE OCTOBER TIMEFRAMES AS A PROCESS WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET TO CLOSING. UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE WORKED THROUGH, UH, IN THE NORMAL COURSE, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST. AGAIN, WE'LL HIGHLIGHT THAT PREPAYMENT FLEXIBILITY. AND SO AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AGAIN AT A 42 INTEREST RATE, UM, THE CASH YOU HAVE IN THE BANK RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS KIND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEISURE, UM, THAT'S EARNING, UM, UPWARDS OF 4%. AND SO BY VIRTUE OF BEING ABLE TO HANG ON TO SOME OF THAT CASH, THAT IS ACTUALLY EARNING INTEREST FOR YOU AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT. UM, THE FED JUST RAISED, WHICH YOU PROBABLY SAW ON THE NEWS, UH, IT'S SHORT TERM RATE, 25 BASIS POINTS YESTERDAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO EARN AND MAYBE A STATE PROGRAM LIKE LGIP IS GONNA CONTINUE TO CLIMB. AND SO THE IDEA HERE IS LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOCK IN, UH, OUR LONG-TERM BORROWING COST AND ALLOW THAT CASH IN THE BANK TO CONTINUE TO EARN INTEREST, UM, AT A RATE THAT IS INCREASING WHILE WE'RE LOCKING IN THE BORROWING COST. ALL IN THE FOURS, UH, BOTTOM OF THE PAGE HERE, THIS LEASE REVENUE BOND STRUCTURE REQUIRES A CONDUIT ISSUER. UM, THE VRA PROGRAM DOES NOT NEED TO BE THAT CONDUIT ISSUER. UM, IN THE NORMAL COURSE, WE'D LOOK TO THE LOCAL EDA TO SERVE AS THAT CONDUIT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE LOAN IS REALLY THE COUNTY'S LOAN. AND SO THE OBLIGOR, AS WE LIKE TO SAY, OR THE PARTY THAT'S ON THE HOOK TO REPAY THE DEBT, IS THE COUNTY'S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. UM, THE EDA SERVES REALLY AS A LEGAL CONDUIT, UM, FOR LEGAL REASONS ONLY. UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FINANCIAL OBLIGATION, UH, BEYOND SIMPLY TAKING AN ACTION. THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IS REALLY WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO REPAY THAT LOAN. [01:35:03] UM, IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS ON PAGE NUMBER FIVE HERE, UM, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING REALLY TO BRIEF YOU. UM, I BELIEVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS A RE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE STEPS. UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING, UH, THERE'D BE ONE SUBSEQUENT ACTION TO THE BOARD, UM, ON THE FIRST, BY THE TIME WE GET THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS TOGETHER, WORK THROUGH A COUPLE, UH, OTHER PROCESSES. UM, THE EDA MEETING WE EXPECT WILL BE AROUND THE EIGHTH, AND THEN WE'D LOOK TO CLOSE BY OCTOBER 15TH AND HAVE FUNDS IN HAND. UM, THOSE FUNDS WOULD ALL COME IN AT ONCE. UM, THEY CAN BE, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND, SHOULD BE INVESTED IN A STATE LOAN PROGRAM, EXCUSE ME, A STATE INVESTMENT PROGRAM CALLED SNAP. UM, THAT IS WHERE, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND THE STATE ACTUALLY PUTS ITS TAXES ON BOND PROCEEDS. UH, THAT'S EARNING RIGHT NOW ABOUT 4% PROBABLY IS GONNA MOVE UP BY VIRTUE OF THE FED ACTION. UH, PROBABLY BEING IN THE 4 25 RANGE BEFORE TOO LONG. AND SO AGAIN, TRYING TO LOCK IN SOMETHING IN THE 4 82 RANGE, TAKE THAT INTEREST RATE RISK OFF OF THE TABLE, UM, AND ALLOW THE EXISTING CASH AND THE BOND PROCEEDS HERE, WHICH WILL GET SPENT DOWN OVER TIME, BUT THAT WILL ALSO EARN INTEREST, UH, TO THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY. UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, MR. CHAIR MEMBERS, THE BOARD, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, DEB. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. LOCKS BOARD MEMBERS, YOU HAVE HEARD, LISTENED TO MR. LOCKE'S PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM WHILE HE'S AT THE PODIUM? MR. PERS, WOULD YOU LIKE SOMETHING TO ADD JUST IN TERMS OF THE EDA MEETING? IT IS, UM, IT IS STILL IN THE, THE PLANNING PHASES. SO, UM, BE BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR OFFICIAL NOTICE OF THAT MEETING. UH, IT WILL LIKELY BE THAT WEEK, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THE THURSDAY THE EIGHTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT MS. PERKINS. THANK YOU MR. LOCKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. BOARD MEMBERS TONIGHT, YOU HAVE AN ACTION ITEM BEFORE YOU, UH, WITH THE LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION THAT DAVENPORT HAS JUST PRESENTED TO US. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE CHAIR? VICE CHAIR HARDY. I MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED RESOLUTION. 2026 DASH 23. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY VICE CHAIR HARDY, SECOND BY SUPERVISOR ELLIOT, THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 23. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAID MOTION? HEARING NONE WILL NOW VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF SAID MOTION SIGNIFY, SIGNIFY YOUR VOTE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED NAY AYES HAVE IT. MOTION PASSES. IT IS MR. DREW, CAN YOU SPELL THAT? WANNA CONFIRM MR. DREW? YES. THANK YOU. UH, SUPERVISOR DREW, WE JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT YOU VOTED, WE HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING YOU. UH, UH AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARITY. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT, SO LET FOR LET FOR THE RECORD. FOUR. FOUR I'S ONE A NEXT FOR NEW BUSINESS. WE HAVE THE PAYOFF OF THE INTERIM FINANCING. I WILL NOW TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, MS. MELISSA HARVEY, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. CHAIRMAN PIERCE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UM, THIS RESOLUTION IS REQUESTING AUTHORIZATION TO PAY OFF THE INTERIM FINANCING ASSOCIATED WITH THE YMCA PROJECT. IN AUGUST OF 2025, THE COUNTY ENTERED INTO AN INTERIM FINANCING WITH HUNTINGTON BANK AND THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $5 MILLION FOR THE YMCA PROJECT. AS THE COUNTY MOVES FORWARD WITH PERMANENT LONG-TERM FINANCING FOR THE PROJECT, THE EXISTING INTERIM FINANCING NOW MUST BE PAID OFF THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY TO USE BUDGETED FUNDS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CAPITAL FUND TO PAY OFF THE HUNTINGTON BANK FINANCING AND AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $5,035,000. THE PAYOFF WITH YOUR PERMISSION WILL OCCUR ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST. MRS. CAROL SWINDELL IS ALSO HERE THIS EVENING AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY HISTORICAL QUESTIONS OR HISTORY OR BACKGROUND RELATED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE INTERIM FINANCING, IF THERE ARE ANY. THANK, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT? THANK YOU FOR THAT. MS. HARVEY. BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. WITH NO QUESTIONS. THE STAFF IS REQUESTING THE BOARD TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE PAYOFF, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PROCESS AS WELL. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT MS. HARVEY. THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. HARVEY HEARING OR SEEING NONE? UH, WILL NOW [01:40:01] ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE OR DENY THE RESOLUTION THAT MS. HARVEY JUST PRESENTED, MR. CHAIR, SUPERVISOR ELLIOT, I MOVED FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PAYOFF FOR THE INTERIM FINANCING ASSOCIATED WITH HUNTINGTON BANK AND THE YMCA. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SUPERVISOR ELLIOT, SECOND BY VICE CHAIR HARDY. THEY WERE APPROVED RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 24. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAID MOTION HEARING OR SEEING NONE? WE'LL NOW, UH, DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MR. HARRISON. SUPERVISOR HARDY. AYE. CHAIRMAN PIERCE? AYE. SUPERVISOR ELLIOT AYE. SUPERVISOR SEWARD. AYE. SUPERVISOR DREW A THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE FIVE A'S ZERO NAYS. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. THANK YOU MS. HARVEY. THANK YOU. NEXT FOR NEW BUSINESS. NEXT FOR OUR NEW BUSINESS. TONIGHT WE HAVE OUR SENIOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD NAMING. I'LL NOW ASK IF MS. ROBIN FALK COULD PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM FOR US. AND THAT'S MS. FAULKER IS APPROACHING THE PODIUM. UM, CITIZEN, UH, GWEN BROWN HAD, UM, TYPED UP A, A PROPOSAL FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY SHE COULD NOT MAKE IT THIS EVENING. SO MS. FALK IS GOING TO READ HER PROPOSAL ON BEHALF BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE OBLIGE MS. FAULK. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. DEAR MEMBERS OF THE SARA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS PROPOSAL RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT THE COUNTY OFFICIALLY DE DESIGNATE ITS EXISTING 90-YEAR-OLD RESOLUTION AS THE REGINALD O' HARRISON SENIOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. IN HONOR AND MEMORY OF THE LATE HONORABLE REGINALD O' HARRISON, THE REQUEST ANALYSIS, THE LATE HONORABLE REGINALD O' HARRISON COMMITMENT TO ENSURING THAT THIS RESOLUTION HAS A COUNTYWIDE IMPACT, MR. HARRISON DISCUSSED WITH MRS. BROWN THE IMPORTANCE OF EXTENDING THIS RECOGNITION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THEY AGREED THAT THE HONOR SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO SENIOR PARTICIPATING IN THE SENIOR CITIZEN PROGRAM OF SRE COUNTY, BUT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE ALL ELIGIBLE SENIORS IN THE AREA. MR. HARRISON EMPHASIZED THAT BOARD AND DIS RECOGNITION TO AND CAMPUS THE ENTIRE COUNTY WAS A SIGNIFICANT AND WORTHWHILE STEP, ENSURING THAT ALL SENIORS WHO REACHED THIS REMARKABLE MILESTONE ARE HONORED EQUALLY OFFICIALLY NAMING THIS RESOLUTION IN HONOR OF MR. HARRISON WILL PRESERVE HIS LEGACY OF SERVICE LEADERSHIP AND UNDERWING COMMITMENT. SRE COUNTY SENIOR CITIZENS REACHING THE REMARKABLE MILESTONE OF 90 YEARS IS WORTHY OF PUBLIC RECOGNITION AND RESPECT FOR MANY SENIORS AND THEIR FAMILIES. THIS HONOR REPRESENTS NOT ONLY LONGEVITY, BUT ALSO PERSEVERANCE, WISDOM, AND A LIFETIME OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. BY ATTACHING THE NAME OF THE LATE HONORABLE REGINALD O HARRISON TO THIS RESOLUTION, THE COUNTY WILL ENHANCE THE MEANING OF THIS RECOGNITION AND HELP ENSURE THAT THIS VALUED TRADITION CONTINUES TO GROW AND ENDURE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THIS REQUEST IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE RECOGNIZING SEEMS WHO REACH THIS HONOR REFLECTS THE ARY COUNTY PLACES ON LIFE, LEGACY AND RESPECT FOR ITS CITIZENS. A NAMED RESOLUTION WOULD CARRY DEEPER MEANING, RESONATE MORE STRONGLY WITH RESIDENTS, AND STAND AS A LASTING TRIBUTE TO BOTH THE SENIOR POPULATION AND THE LATE HONORABLE REGINA O' HARRISON VISION FOR COUNTYWIDE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. ACCORDINGLY, THIS PROPOSAL RESPECTFULLY ASKED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER AND APPROVE NAMING THE CURRENT N YEAR OLD RESOLUTION AS THE HONORABLE REGINALD O' HARRISON SENIOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD IN HONOR OF THE LATE HONORABLE REGINALD HARRISON, WHO SUPPORT HELPED ESTABLISH ITS COUNTYWIDE IMPACT. IT'S ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT MRS. GLY J BROWN RETIRED VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR FOR THE COUNTY SHARED THIS VISION WITH MR. HARRISON AND RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF ENSURING THIS MEANINGFUL HONOR WE HAVE BECOME A COUNTYWIDE RECOGNITION FOR SENIORS PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, CONSIDERATION AND CONTINUED SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF S COUNTY. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, GWENDOLYN [01:45:01] J. BROWN. THANK YOU FOR THAT MS. PAUL. THAT IS A, A TRULY REMARKABLE, UM, ACHIEVEMENT OF COURSE. AND TO HEAR THE, THE HISTORY BEHIND HOW IT, HOW IT COME TO PASS TODAY IS, IS ALSO REMARKABLE AS WELL. UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, I'VE HAVE, UH, READ A FEW RESOLUTIONS AND, AND ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND CELEBRATE FOR OTHERS WHO CELEBRATE THEIR 90TH BIRTHDAY, BUT NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE BE, UH, START THAT TRADITION AND HEARING HOW IT BEGAN AND TO TRULY, UM, TO HONOR THE GREAT MAN WHO HAD HAD, UM, PUT THIS OUT THERE, I, I THINK IS, IS REMARKABLE TO HAVE MR. GO BROWN, EVEN TO MAKE THIS PROPOSAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL ASK IF BOARD MEMBERS YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR, OR, OR, OR ANY, UM, CONCERNS OR, OR WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. SEWARD, IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, SIR. YOU MAY. I'D ACTUALLY BE HONORED TO MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. APPROVE. TO APPROVE THE RENAMING OF THE 90 YEAR RESOLUTION TO THE REGINALD O HARRISON SENIOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. THANK YOU MR. SEWARD. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. SEWARD, SECOND BY MR. ELLIOT, THAT WE APPROVE THE CHANGING OF THE 90TH BIRTHDAY TO RECOGNIZE MR. HONORABLE REGINALD O HARRISON TO BE NAMED THE REGINALD, EXCUSE ME, THE HONORABLE REGINALD O HARRISON SENIOR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON SAID MOTION? HEARING NONE. WE'RE NOW VOTE. ROLL CALL. VOTE. THAT IS MR. HARRIS, VICE CHAIRMAN HARDY AYE. CHAIRMAN PIERCE. AYE. SUPERVISOR ELLIOT. AYE. SUPERVISOR SEWARD. AYE. SUPERVISOR DREW. AYE. LET THE RECORD SHOW FIVE AYES ZERO NAY MOTION PASSES. I SEE THAT WE HAVE MR. HARRISON'S FAMILY HERE THIS EVENING. I'LL ASK IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS. YOU MAY . WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. HER COMMENT WAS, HE WOULD BE WELL PLEASED. WELL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NEXT ON OUR [Board Comments] AGENDA, WE HAVE OUR BOARD COMMENTS. UM, I WANNA START OFF WITH, UH, START TO MY RIGHT, MR. HART, YOU WANNA START OFF, START US OFF TONIGHT? I'D BE HAPPY TO CHAIR. THANK YOU. DON'T HAVE MUCH. UM, AGAIN, THANKS EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT THE, THE GREAT BACONS CASTLE DISTRICT, CERTAINLY REPRESENTED TONIGHT. ALWAYS GLAD TO SEE YOU IN THE PLACE. ALWAYS WORKING HARD FOR YOU. YOU HAVE MY NUMBER CALL IF YOU NEED ANYTHING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CHAIR. THANKS. HEY, THANK YOU FOR THAT MR. HARDY. MR. ELLIOT, I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT AND PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS TO GET US WHERE WE ARE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THE COUNTY FORWARD. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, A NEW GRANDMOTHER IN THE HOUSE. MY WIFE IS HERE. WE GOT A NEW GRANDBABY. CONGRATULATIONS. AND ALSO, I, I THANK, UH, MS. GWEN BROWN FOR THIS, UH, THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION FOR THE BOARD TO TAKE UNDER ADVISEMENT. AND I THANK MR. SEWARD FOR MAKING THE MOTION. AND I WANT TO, UH, REQUEST THAT THE BOARD LOOKING TO, AT OUR OCTOBER MEETING TO BESTOW THIS HONOR UPON MRS. ROSLYN ELLIOTT. SHE IS A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY. MY SEVENTH GRADE ENGLISH TEACHER. AND IF ANYONE IS DESERVING, IS DEFINITELY HER NOW MATH TEACHER. EXCUSE ME. HOW DID I FORGET MATH? SHE HAD ME STAND AT THE CHALKBOARD WITH THAT PENCIL IN MY HAND, . BUT I, I, I ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER HER AS FIRST RECIPIENT SINCE IT'S BEEN NAMED FOR OUR OCTOBER MEETING. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. MR. ELLIOT. MR. STEWART, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. . ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. STEWART AND MR. DREW, I KNOW YOU ARE A, UM, I'M CALLING THROUGH PHONE, BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING. OH, NO. I'LL JUST SAY A GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, JOINING THIS MEETING TONIGHT. UM, AND JUST TAKE CARE AND HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR EVENING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. DREW. UM, AND FOR MY PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M NOT GONNA BE LONG. I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT AT NIGHT LIKE I ALWAYS DO. FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING FROM HOME. JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, THE HONORABLE MS. JUDY LITTLE, UH, OUR FORMER, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, UH, OUR FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. SEE THAT SHE LEFT WITH MS. ROLLINS. SHE WASN'T ATTENDANCE. OH, SHE STILL HERE. OH, I'M SORRY. SHE'S IN THE BACK. ALL RIGHT. I SEE YOU . UM, ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE, UH, THE HONORABLE REGINALD HARRISON'S FAMILY THAT'S OUT HERE TONIGHT. UH, OUR REGISTRAR, MS. CHARNA WHITE. YES. UM, COUNTY STAFF. SO MANY TO NAME, BUT I WANTED TO SEE THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING [01:50:01] OUT TONIGHT AS WELL. AS WELL AS THE CLERGY THAT I SEEN HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL. AND MS. SUMMERS. HOW COULD I FORGET MS. SUMMERS? YOU DOWN THERE BY YOURSELF? OH, MAN. . MS. SUMMERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING. UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE COMMENTS, ALL THE OPINIONS, UM, YOUR STORIES AND YEAH, THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YES, UM, UM, AS ALWAYS, I JUST WANNA WISH EVERYONE THE SAFE TRAVELS HOME. UH, AND PLEASE COME OUT TO OUR NEXT MEETING. UH, I BELIEVE WE, WHICH WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 1ST. UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL NOW TURN THE MEETING OVER TO [County Administrators Report ] OUR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. HARRISON. GOOD EVENING. CHAIRMAN PIERCE, VICE CHAIR HARDY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, EVERYONE ASSEMBLED. UM, MY, UH, ADMINISTRATORS REPORT THIS EVENING WHEN WE BRIEF AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, MRS. ROLLINS PRESENCE AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SAY YOU LOOK RADIANT AND RELAXED, OR RETIREMENT MUST BE DOING YOU WELL, I CAN'T WAIT TO JOIN YOU. . UM, SO I WOULD UH, LIKE TO FIRST HIGHLIGHT THAT WE DO HAVE A COMMUNITY CONCERT ON THE LAWN SCHEDULED FOR THIS SATURDAY. AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, OUR FIRST FRIDAYS HAD TO BE POSTPONED DUE TO INCLEMENT WEATHER. SO WE ARE NOT CALLING IT FIRST FRIDAYS, 'CAUSE IT WON'T BE OCCURRING ON A FRIDAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO WE WILL CALL IT A COMMUNITY CONCERT ON THE LAWN, WHICH WILL HAPPEN THIS SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH, FROM 7:30 PM TO 8:30 PM THERE WILL BE LIVE MUSIC BY THE BLACKOUT BAND, UH, FOOD TRUCKS. PLEASE REMEMBER TO BRING YOUR LAWN CHAIRS AND BLANKETS. AND THIS WILL BE A FREE EVENT TO THE PUBLIC. SIX 30. OKAY. DID I SAY I'M SO SORRY. YEAH, YOU'RE FINE. I'M LOOKING AT SIX 30. I SAID 7 30, 6 30 TO 8:30 PM I APOLOGIZE. UM, AND SO BRING YOUR LAWN CHAIRS, FREE FOOD, UM, FREE EVENT, UH, BLANKETS. OKAY. POWWOW EVENT AS WELL. THE POWWOW EVENT WILL BE OCCURRING SEPTEMBER 19TH THROUGH 20TH AT OUR SUR COUNTY PARKS AND REC. 10:00 AM TO 12:00 PM UH, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, 1:00 PM UH, AND THE POWWOW EVENT AND THE COMMUNITY ON THE CONCERT ON THE LAWN EVENT ALL DO KIND OF COLLIDE, BUT THERE IS TIME BETWEEN THE TWO EVENTS TO ATTEND BOTH. AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE POWWOW REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AND WE PLAN TO BE AT BOTH. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTE. AND OTHER THAN THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. THANK FOR THAT. MR. HARRISON. UH, BEFORE I MOVE ON, I ALSO WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE DEPUTY AND OUR SHERIFF IN HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, SHERIFF. THANK YOU. UM, SO NEXT ON OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE OUR, UH, FOR YOUR INFORMATION PURPOSES, UM, BOARD MEMBERS. UM, WE ALSO, UM, WAIT, THAT'S THE END OF OUR AGENDA. WE ALSO HAVE A CLO CLOSED SESSION. UM, BUT BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR CLOSED SESSION, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME OUT TO, AGAIN, JUST THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO LEAVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR VICE CHAIR TO SEE IF HE COULD, UH, GO AHEAD AND PROCEED THE REST OF OUR MEETING. THANK YOU CHAIR. AT THIS TIME, [Closed Session ] AS, UM, CHAIR MENTIONED, WE'LL BE IN THE CLOSED SESSION. SO I'LL PEST MS. PERKINS. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. YOUR MOTION REQUIRED TODAY IS TO CONVENE A CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO ONE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2 37 11 A 0.1 TO DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO THE BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND TWO, VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 2.2 37 11 A 0.8, TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS INVOLVING THE BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES, REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. AND I WILL NEED A MOTION, A SECOND AND A ROLL CALL. VOTE. SO MOVED. SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE VICE CHAIRMAN. HARDY AYE. SUPERVISOR ELLIOT. AYE. SUPERVISOR SEWARD. AYE. SUPERVISOR DREW. SO A ALRIGHT, WE IN CLOSED SESSION. ALL RIGHT. BOARD MEMBERS CALL IN BACK TO ORDER FROM, UH, FULL SESSION. MS. PERKINS. THANK YOU VICE CHAIR HARDY. UH, THE, UH, RESOLUTION CERTIFYING CLOSED SESSION, WHEREAS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY HAS CONVENED A CLOSED SESSION ON THIS DATE PURSUANT TO AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. AND WHEREAS SECTION 2.2 37 12 D OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY, THAT SUCH CLOSED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED IN CONFORMITY WITH VIRGINIA LAW. AND I APOLOGIZE, I NEED TO GET SUPERVISOR DREW BACK ON THE LINE. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HIT [01:55:01] PAUSE FOR A SECOND. APOLOGIES. HELLO? HELLO. UH, SORRY. UM, OKAY. SO THE RESOLUTION CERTIFYING CLOSED SESSION, WHEREAS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY HAS CONVENED A CLOSED SESSION ON THE STATE PURSUANT TO AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE FREE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. AND WHEREAS SECTION 2.2 3 7 12 D OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY, THAT SUCH CLOSED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED IN CONFORMITY WITH VIRGINIA LAW. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY HEREBY CERTIFIES THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONE, ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY VIRGINIA LAW WERE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED SESSION TO WHICH THIS CERTIFICATION RESOLUTION APPLIES. AND TWO, ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING. THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY. AND I WILL NEED A MOTION, A SECOND AND A ROLL CALL VOTE. BOARD MEMBERS, YOU HEARD I GOT A MOTION, SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I'M SORRY. ROLL CALL VOTE. MR. HARRISON, VICE CHAIRMAN HARDY AYE. SUPERVISOR ELLIOT AYE. SUPERVISOR SEWARD. AYE. SUPERVISOR DREW. AYE. AS THAT WE'RE BACK IN A REGULAR SESSION, OUR BOARD MEMBERS, WE DID DISCUSS, UH, ONE ITEM FOR, UM, FOR RESOLUTION. UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? OH, MR. CHAIR. I, I, I, UH, WILL ENTERTAIN THAT, UH, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL WILL PRESENT THE RESOLUTION TO THE BOARD FOR ACTION AT THIS TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. PERKINS. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. UM, THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU IS A RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 DASH 25, UH, AND IT IS A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT DAVID HARRISON, INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS THE LOCAL BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES PURSUANT TO SECTION 32.2302 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA 1950 AS AMENDED AND TO APPOINT A SURREY COUNTY SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 63.2305 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IN 1950 AS AMENDED, UM, AND, UM, TO READ THE RESOLUTION. WHEREAS 63.2 DASH 3 0 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IN 1950 AS AMENDED ADDRESSES, LOCAL BOARDS OF SOCIAL SERVICES STATES IN PART THAT THE LOCAL BOARD SERVING A SINGLE COUNTY SHALL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE GOVERN GOVERNING BODY OF THE COUNTY. EITHER A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL OR A LOCAL BOARD CONSISTING OF RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY WHO ARE, WHO ARE EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN 63.2303 APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE COUNTY. AND WHEREAS INSTEAD OF HAVING A LOCAL BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES CONSISTING OF RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY IS DESIROUS OF APPOINTING A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL AS THE LOCAL BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES PURSUANT TO SECTION 36.2 DASH 3 0 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IN 1950 AS AMENDED. AND WHEREAS SECTION 63.2305 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA STATES THAT IF THE GOVERNING BODY OF A COUNTY DESIGNATES UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF 63.2 3 0 2, 63 0.2304, OR 63.2307, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL AS CONSTITUTING THE LOCAL BOARD, SUCH GOVERNING BODY OR BODY SHALL APPOINT A BOARD TO SERVE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY DUE TO SUCH LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO, EXCUSE ME, TO SERVE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO SUCH LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WITH RESPECT TO THE DUTIES IMPOSED UPON HIM BY THIS TITLE. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 63.2 DASH 3 0 2, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SURREY COUNTY VIRGINIA DOES HEREBY APPOINT DAVID HARRISON, INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL AS THE SURREY COUNTY BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES TO REPLACE THE LOCAL BOARD CONSISTING OF RESIDENT OF SURREY COUNTY AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT DAVID HARRISON SHALL SERVE AS THE LOCAL BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES PURSUANT TO SECTION 63.2 DASH 3 0 2 UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HE CEASES TO SERVE AS THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPOINTS A DIFFERENT LOCAL BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED. THE CURRENT MEMBERS OF THE SURREY COUNTY SOCIAL [02:00:01] BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES ARE HEREBY APPOINTED TO THE SURREY COUNTY SOCIAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026. SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING, A SUCH MEMBER'S TERMS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD SHALL END ON THE DATE THAT THEIR TERMS ON THE, ON THE SURY, EXCUSE ME, ON THE BO SURREY COUNTY BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES, WOULD HAVE ENDED. AND B, FOR THE PURPOSES OF DETERMINING THE LENGTH OF SERVICE, UM, LENGTH OF SUR, EXCUSE ME, THE LENGTH OF SERVICE ON THE SURREY COUNTY BOARD OF SOCIAL SERVICES. A MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY BOARD SHALL BE DEEMED TO HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO THE ADVISORY BOARD ON THE DATE THEY WERE APPOINTED TO THE SURREY COUNTY SOCIAL SERVICES BOARD. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU MS. PERKINS. THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL THERE. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. YOU HEARD THE, UM, THE CONTENTS OF RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 25. CAN I GET A, IS THERE A MOTION? OKAY, MR. CHAIR. I, MR. VICE CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 25. THE MOTION MOVE BY, UH, BOARD MEMBER ELLIOT. IS THERE? SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. UH, PROPERLY SECOND BY SUPERVISOR. SUE, I THINK YOU GOT IT FIRST. UM, THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS IN FAVOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE RESOLUTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THERE'S NO MORE, UH, MATTERS FOR THIS BOARD OF ATTENTION. SO, UM, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ADJOURN UNTIL, UH, OCTOBER 1ST, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. SO MOVED. SECOND PROPERTY, MOVING SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYES HAVE IT. AYE. BE ADJOURNED. ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.